It's a pretty car. Unfortunately, the projected specifications of the Mission E indicate lower performance than the cars Tesla are making today.
So are almost all of the vehicles running Petrofuel. It probably isn't even a good idea to put that much performance in the hands of some drivers.
The only real advantage promised is faster charging -- from a network of high-voltage charging stations that don't exist yet.
Good luck with that.
Do you really think it is some sort of impossibility to put relatively simple Electrical charging systems in at a lot of places? and impossible to do it quickly? The infrastructure argument is possibly the worst argument against EV's.
It totally discounts the huge infrastructure needed to simply drill, pump, pipeline, refine, ship to storage, repump to trucks, deliver to retail facilities, pump, store and monitor the tanks, pump into cars, drive
Although I must admit that oil puts on a much better show when it mostly destroys towns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... Stupid electricity mostly vaporizes squirrells at substations.
Why are so many trying to compete with a company that is barely profitable, especially since oil has dropped?
Good thing they didn't stop building gasoline vehicles when some of the early companies were unprofitable, eh?
And the second part is silly. You figure that oil prices aren't going to head back up when they get the chance?
A combination of technology advances, useability advances, infrastructure coming on line - and a lot of people simply want EVs
As more companies produce them, it's probably just a sign they've figured out there is money in it. And the speed with which auto companies learn tends toward glacier slow. So I think the world is ready.
Stop being an awful nerd lording a modicum of knowledge over people. This is why nobody likes you. And no, no, I really don't care if you're going to make me beg.
Actually I'm willing to share it with anyone. I thought as a knowledable guy such as yourself I might have bored you.
You gave no evidence of someone doing 55 in a 25(do you have a way to measure their speed? You can tell someone is speeding but you don't how fast it actually was) and you actually expected some official act from a cop?
LAWL
The cop gave them a warning. That's all they needed. A simple metter of telling them there were complaints, and even slashdotters should know that the police act on complaints. Regardless, without anything but a camera, I can pretty precisely tell what speed they were moving, with a method that would stand up in court. Do you know how I would do it?
Distributed identification & reporting of tailgaters - Store 30-60 seconds of video leading up to and following a tailgating event, tag it with location, speed, plate number (where available), then let the tailgaters' insurers have at it (or sue 'em outright for all they're worth, since they are gambling with your life).
That's one good use. Also, we had a couple of turds that like to speed down my street. As in 55 in a 25 mph zone type speeding. I've already given a few license plate numbers via regular digital camera to the local police, who haven't arrested them, but paid them a friendly visit. Seems to help a lot.
Can't help it if I accidentally leave my car vidcam turned on now, can I?
It's not cruelty to the children. They get used to the idea that the animals they play with will eventually wind up in the freezer. A friend who grew up on a farm, when she was about 4 years old asked her mother, perfectly matter-of-factly, "Mommy, is Holly a meat dog?"
Yeah, they just bawl and scream because they want to see theit pets slaughtered. Some of them throw a party.
Except they have a valid point. If the changes that these people made had been rated as good by the general public, there would have been an increase in their marketshare. In this case the opposite has held true, and it reflects directly back on those that mozilla has hired meaning that the millinials/hipsters are the cause of mozilla's massive loss in marketshare in the last 8 years.
You sound exactly like the guys down at the local bar moaning about how it all went downhill after women got the vote.
Sure and how would that teaching be applied in a fashion that doesn't discourage people wanting to learn programming, which was the thrust of my question.
I've found that there are huge numbers of people who are incapable of logic. That might also speak to the topic of the story.
Monty Python's Witch skit from The holy grail saams ot be the level of logic maybe half of us are capable of...
Seems to me that there's a disconnect in the way people think about programming versus thinking about math and logic. Might it make more sense to people to think logically and procedurally, then worry about applying that to a computer?
You aren't making any sense. Joint issues, like cancer are an edge case.
Oh, weedhopper, you are not going to like what is probably in your future. Arthritis as an "edge case"?
Your extreme ignorance is showing. Those stinky old people do not move slowly because they are lazy.
Is half of people over 65 an edge case? http://arthritis.emedtv.com/os...
Whic of course, makes for an interesting question for people Osteoarthritis - which indeed causes a lot of pain, is caused by wear and tear. It is not a disease. I had it in my mid-40's, and it only gets worse with time.
So as we live to a thousand years are we suddenly going to get thousand year capable skeletons? Calcium phosphate is not a material that will last for a thousand years. Or do we just bionicize ourselves, replacing all the parts as they wear, until we are like George Washington's original axe he used to chop down the cherry tree, two new heads, and five new handles.
This are all old age diseases. We would assume that such a therapy would negate them.
yeah - assume. So you figure that our 1000 year lifespan humans aren't going to age at all? Just happy happy happy then whisked to wherever, not a pain in their 1000 year old lives?
I remember when Dobermans were having breeding issues. Mostly based on "show" criteria, they were inbred. They did save them, although the personalities went seriouslt goofy - I liked that though - a goofy dog is awesome.
Or German Shepherds, who were bred to have that stance that ensured they would have hip dysplasia. Or Rough Collies being turned into brainless ice pick heads.
Pugs with terrible health problems, Cocker Spaniels with no immune systems, and the Golden Cancer retriever. In a perfect world, these dogs would be treated for their conditions, and the breeders and puppy mill owners euthanized.
Nobody wants to feel pain, and those responses are people having an emotional reaction to the idea that putting pain off for as long as possible might make life worse in the long run.
Unless this imminent life extension is going to allow us all to spend our entire life at the particular part of life we want to, then pass away painlessly do you think taking a hundred years of senility is going to be a fair trade? Or for myself, I hated childhood. I can't imagine spending 300 years a a little kid. If I could spend that thousand years in my 40's that would be something.
The biggest problem with life extension is that it all takes place on the wrong end of life - the oldest end. And even if we were to make it an extension like taking the present phases and extending them linearly with the present states, do you think that people are going to say - This is awesome - I'm living so much longer!"? It's all relative, and after 1 generation, we'll be moaning about why we can't live 2000 year, then 4000 years.
That's a way oversimplified way to analyse this. It's like saying that the death of animal is necessary in a kid education and that buying a life extension pills for a pet will turn the kid delinquent or something.
Any kid could have a good childhood without all those "important" lesson and forcing the dog to die to teach grieving is nothing less than cruel. If that's the reason you buy a pet why don't you go buy a pet pig to your kid, wait that he likes it, shoot it before him and each bacon for diner while you're at it? But hey! It's life lesson and good bacon!
Here's a desimplified hypothetical. What happens if we find out that dog's lives can be lengthened to a thousand years, but our's only 300? Should we do do it?
And your own suggestion is exactly what happens to many farm kids. When they are young and in organizations like FFA, they raise pigs and sheep and calves from birth, then compete with them. Then the "winners" are bought up by local eateries, and it's all over for little petunia or bossy.
This pisses me off so damn much - it is cruelty to the children involved. Raising an animal from birth, it becomes a loved pet - hell pigs are awesomly affectionate. Instead of sacrificing a loved pet, they'd be better taught to not ever become emotionally involved with a food animal, or at least to separate the two, pet from food.
There is no "natural order". Animals are our distant cousins, evolved to fit other niches than us, not some creation we have been designated to "rule over".
I would say that is debatable with domesticated species.
Domestication is a fine survival strategy. Even food animals get a reproductive advantage.
Domestic Cows and pigs will go extinct if we all went vegan. So is it better to live and reproduce even if you end up dead - and who among us doesn't share that fate - or is it better to have your entire species go extinct, because eating animals is cruel?
> So your point is that pet should die so it can be a good "life lesson" for our kid. Really?
My point is that experimenting on pets so that they will live longer is 100% about making their owners feel good. If that level of utter selfishness is OK, then we ought to consider other selfish motivations for leaving the natural order alone.
This whole thing is silly. From the summary, we'll have three hundred year old pets dying long before their 1000 year old owners. So little will change.
Speaking of little changing, if we were all somehow living a thousand years, we won't actually feel like we're living any longer at all. Its all relative. Whether because of percentages - such as three years to a 6 year old is 50% of his life, and huge, to a 70 year old, 4 percent, If we live a thousand years, the relative times will just become the same thing.
You'd be surprised. Call your bank and ask for the interest rate when the balance stays above 100k or even 250k. In many banks this VIP rate beats money market instruments like certificates of deposit..
I have no idea why people cannot figure out this simple stuff, and just imagine that extra $1600.00 dollars a month in your pocket after 15 years. But given that the 30 year mortgages are still the standard, It looks as if I'm in a minority.
Especially in this day and age when you have online mortgage calculators, mortgage comparison websites and a wealth of information out there on how to get an effective one, yet so many people just get a mortgage from their bank without even shopping around, never mind calculating.
Well, that is how the subprime lending crisis caught so much steam. The first ads for the huge mortgages with the ridiculously low monthly payments told me what was coming. The interest only loans were impossible to believe. Further research showed me that it was much worse than even that. Towards the end, there were ancient people with 50 year mortgages. And they still have them! http://www.nationwidemortgages... People act like that one guy who foresaw the collapse was some kind of genius. Dunno what that makes me. A fscking moron at least one AC believes. And when people with houses already got into refis, that Escalade is now in the junkyard, and seriously, how many of us pull all of the equity out of our house and invest it in some mythical high yield stock.
The problem such as it is, is this ain't rocket surgery. All of the math is pretty standard stuff, and actuarial tables tell us other needed information.
The weird thing is how angry some folks get with me. Even the ones who rubbed it in as to how much money they had before they lost it all. I never did a told-ya-so to them, but man did they get pissed. But I think people have been raised to believe there is some kind of secret formula to accumulating wealth, and refuse to accept it when I bring out a pocket calculator and disprove the stuff the smart guys tell them.
Stocks early, munis and market tied accounts later, paying attention to the bank's solvency and the amounts you have so you can move it around, Living on a cash back credit card and paying it off every month - I make money off my credit cards, and have a record of what I spend. A separate card for fuel, just for easier attention to fuel costs. Live within your means. Become debt free as soon as possible. Financial discipline. Only in voodoo economics world is that bad advice.
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It's a pretty car. Unfortunately, the projected specifications of the Mission E indicate lower performance than the cars Tesla are making today.
So are almost all of the vehicles running Petrofuel. It probably isn't even a good idea to put that much performance in the hands of some drivers.
The only real advantage promised is faster charging -- from a network of high-voltage charging stations that don't exist yet.
Good luck with that.
Do you really think it is some sort of impossibility to put relatively simple Electrical charging systems in at a lot of places? and impossible to do it quickly? The infrastructure argument is possibly the worst argument against EV's.
It totally discounts the huge infrastructure needed to simply drill, pump, pipeline, refine, ship to storage, repump to trucks, deliver to retail facilities, pump, store and monitor the tanks, pump into cars, drive
Although I must admit that oil puts on a much better show when it mostly destroys towns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... Stupid electricity mostly vaporizes squirrells at substations.
Why are so many trying to compete with a company that is barely profitable, especially since oil has dropped?
Good thing they didn't stop building gasoline vehicles when some of the early companies were unprofitable, eh?
And the second part is silly. You figure that oil prices aren't going to head back up when they get the chance?
A combination of technology advances, useability advances, infrastructure coming on line - and a lot of people simply want EVs
As more companies produce them, it's probably just a sign they've figured out there is money in it. And the speed with which auto companies learn tends toward glacier slow. So I think the world is ready.
Stop being an awful nerd lording a modicum of knowledge over people. This is why nobody likes you. And no, no, I really don't care if you're going to make me beg.
Actually I'm willing to share it with anyone. I thought as a knowledable guy such as yourself I might have bored you.
Certiously, someone so insightful should have pretty good citations.
I'll even wait until you get those goddamned kids off your lawn for the cites.
You gave no evidence of someone doing 55 in a 25(do you have a way to measure their speed? You can tell someone is speeding but you don't how fast it actually was) and you actually expected some official act from a cop?
LAWL
The cop gave them a warning. That's all they needed. A simple metter of telling them there were complaints, and even slashdotters should know that the police act on complaints. Regardless, without anything but a camera, I can pretty precisely tell what speed they were moving, with a method that would stand up in court. Do you know how I would do it?
Distributed identification & reporting of tailgaters - Store 30-60 seconds of video leading up to and following a tailgating event, tag it with location, speed, plate number (where available), then let the tailgaters' insurers have at it (or sue 'em outright for all they're worth, since they are gambling with your life).
That's one good use. Also, we had a couple of turds that like to speed down my street. As in 55 in a 25 mph zone type speeding. I've already given a few license plate numbers via regular digital camera to the local police, who haven't arrested them, but paid them a friendly visit. Seems to help a lot.
Can't help it if I accidentally leave my car vidcam turned on now, can I?
It's not cruelty to the children. They get used to the idea that the animals they play with will eventually wind up in the freezer. A friend who grew up on a farm, when she was about 4 years old asked her mother, perfectly matter-of-factly, "Mommy, is Holly a meat dog?"
Yeah, they just bawl and scream because they want to see theit pets slaughtered. Some of them throw a party.
Some countries
This story is about Canada. How about you find out how they regulate their Internet instead of posting your 'what-if' bullshit.
Well?
Except they have a valid point. If the changes that these people made had been rated as good by the general public, there would have been an increase in their marketshare. In this case the opposite has held true, and it reflects directly back on those that mozilla has hired meaning that the millinials/hipsters are the cause of mozilla's massive loss in marketshare in the last 8 years.
You sound exactly like the guys down at the local bar moaning about how it all went downhill after women got the vote.
You forgot to add:
Thanks, Obama!
Some consider internet to be essential.
I suppose it would be mean to cut off some people's sex life
Sure and how would that teaching be applied in a fashion that doesn't discourage people wanting to learn programming, which was the thrust of my question.
I've found that there are huge numbers of people who are incapable of logic. That might also speak to the topic of the story.
Monty Python's Witch skit from The holy grail saams ot be the level of logic maybe half of us are capable of...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Seems to me that there's a disconnect in the way people think about programming versus thinking about math and logic. Might it make more sense to people to think logically and procedurally, then worry about applying that to a computer?
Never worked with Windows, eh?
Since I'm new to Linux Mint (started with 17.2), let me ask at this occasion: How safe are rolling upgrades as opposed to fresh installs?
The systems I've done it on upgraded with no problems.
I predict we see an article on slashdot in about two months, telling us how many customers ended their contract with said company.
My guess is 2%.
This all seems so odd. Instead of public shaming, perhaps cutting off their service will get them to pay up? Jus' sayin'.
You aren't making any sense. Joint issues, like cancer are an edge case.
Oh, weedhopper, you are not going to like what is probably in your future. Arthritis as an "edge case"? Your extreme ignorance is showing. Those stinky old people do not move slowly because they are lazy. Is half of people over 65 an edge case? http://arthritis.emedtv.com/os...
Whic of course, makes for an interesting question for people Osteoarthritis - which indeed causes a lot of pain, is caused by wear and tear. It is not a disease. I had it in my mid-40's, and it only gets worse with time.
So as we live to a thousand years are we suddenly going to get thousand year capable skeletons? Calcium phosphate is not a material that will last for a thousand years. Or do we just bionicize ourselves, replacing all the parts as they wear, until we are like George Washington's original axe he used to chop down the cherry tree, two new heads, and five new handles.
This are all old age diseases. We would assume that such a therapy would negate them.
yeah - assume. So you figure that our 1000 year lifespan humans aren't going to age at all? Just happy happy happy then whisked to wherever, not a pain in their 1000 year old lives?
The problem lie in inbreeding.
Bingo!
I remember when Dobermans were having breeding issues. Mostly based on "show" criteria, they were inbred. They did save them, although the personalities went seriouslt goofy - I liked that though - a goofy dog is awesome.
Or German Shepherds, who were bred to have that stance that ensured they would have hip dysplasia. Or Rough Collies being turned into brainless ice pick heads. Pugs with terrible health problems, Cocker Spaniels with no immune systems, and the Golden Cancer retriever. In a perfect world, these dogs would be treated for their conditions, and the breeders and puppy mill owners euthanized.
Nobody wants to feel pain, and those responses are people having an emotional reaction to the idea that putting pain off for as long as possible might make life worse in the long run.
Unless this imminent life extension is going to allow us all to spend our entire life at the particular part of life we want to, then pass away painlessly do you think taking a hundred years of senility is going to be a fair trade? Or for myself, I hated childhood. I can't imagine spending 300 years a a little kid. If I could spend that thousand years in my 40's that would be something.
The biggest problem with life extension is that it all takes place on the wrong end of life - the oldest end. And even if we were to make it an extension like taking the present phases and extending them linearly with the present states, do you think that people are going to say - This is awesome - I'm living so much longer!"? It's all relative, and after 1 generation, we'll be moaning about why we can't live 2000 year, then 4000 years.
But also in part because the pets never said a mean thing to me, which I can't say for any family member.
There's an old test.
Lock your dog in the trunk of your car
Lock your husband/wife in the trunk of your car.
Come back 2 minutes later and let them out.
Which one is happy to see you?
That's a way oversimplified way to analyse this. It's like saying that the death of animal is necessary in a kid education and that buying a life extension pills for a pet will turn the kid delinquent or something.
Any kid could have a good childhood without all those "important" lesson and forcing the dog to die to teach grieving is nothing less than cruel. If that's the reason you buy a pet why don't you go buy a pet pig to your kid, wait that he likes it, shoot it before him and each bacon for diner while you're at it? But hey! It's life lesson and good bacon!
Here's a desimplified hypothetical. What happens if we find out that dog's lives can be lengthened to a thousand years, but our's only 300? Should we do do it?
And your own suggestion is exactly what happens to many farm kids. When they are young and in organizations like FFA, they raise pigs and sheep and calves from birth, then compete with them. Then the "winners" are bought up by local eateries, and it's all over for little petunia or bossy.
This pisses me off so damn much - it is cruelty to the children involved. Raising an animal from birth, it becomes a loved pet - hell pigs are awesomly affectionate. Instead of sacrificing a loved pet, they'd be better taught to not ever become emotionally involved with a food animal, or at least to separate the two, pet from food.
There is no "natural order". Animals are our distant cousins, evolved to fit other niches than us, not some creation we have been designated to "rule over".
I would say that is debatable with domesticated species.
Domestication is a fine survival strategy. Even food animals get a reproductive advantage.
Domestic Cows and pigs will go extinct if we all went vegan. So is it better to live and reproduce even if you end up dead - and who among us doesn't share that fate - or is it better to have your entire species go extinct, because eating animals is cruel?
> So your point is that pet should die so it can be a good "life lesson" for our kid. Really?
My point is that experimenting on pets so that they will live longer is 100% about making their owners feel good. If that level of utter selfishness is OK, then we ought to consider other selfish motivations for leaving the natural order alone.
This whole thing is silly. From the summary, we'll have three hundred year old pets dying long before their 1000 year old owners. So little will change.
Speaking of little changing, if we were all somehow living a thousand years, we won't actually feel like we're living any longer at all. Its all relative. Whether because of percentages - such as three years to a 6 year old is 50% of his life, and huge, to a 70 year old, 4 percent, If we live a thousand years, the relative times will just become the same thing.
But, does your dog prefer PC or Mac?
Or systemd?
You'd be surprised. Call your bank and ask for the interest rate when the balance stays above 100k or even 250k. In many banks this VIP rate beats money market instruments like certificates of deposit..
It definitely does.
Especially in this day and age when you have online mortgage calculators, mortgage comparison websites and a wealth of information out there on how to get an effective one, yet so many people just get a mortgage from their bank without even shopping around, never mind calculating.
Well, that is how the subprime lending crisis caught so much steam. The first ads for the huge mortgages with the ridiculously low monthly payments told me what was coming. The interest only loans were impossible to believe. Further research showed me that it was much worse than even that. Towards the end, there were ancient people with 50 year mortgages. And they still have them! http://www.nationwidemortgages... People act like that one guy who foresaw the collapse was some kind of genius. Dunno what that makes me. A fscking moron at least one AC believes. And when people with houses already got into refis, that Escalade is now in the junkyard, and seriously, how many of us pull all of the equity out of our house and invest it in some mythical high yield stock.
The problem such as it is, is this ain't rocket surgery. All of the math is pretty standard stuff, and actuarial tables tell us other needed information.
The weird thing is how angry some folks get with me. Even the ones who rubbed it in as to how much money they had before they lost it all. I never did a told-ya-so to them, but man did they get pissed. But I think people have been raised to believe there is some kind of secret formula to accumulating wealth, and refuse to accept it when I bring out a pocket calculator and disprove the stuff the smart guys tell them.
Stocks early, munis and market tied accounts later, paying attention to the bank's solvency and the amounts you have so you can move it around, Living on a cash back credit card and paying it off every month - I make money off my credit cards, and have a record of what I spend. A separate card for fuel, just for easier attention to fuel costs. Live within your means. Become debt free as soon as possible. Financial discipline. Only in voodoo economics world is that bad advice.