I mostly agree - however at higher speeds, even well trained professionals can have accidents. The problem is, at higher speeds, the damage and mortality rate is higher- that is to say, an old person might have a 50% likelihood of crashing, but their speed gives their chances of survival. The higher the speed, the higher the mortality.
That being said, I think they should impliment yearly driving tests. So many people would fail. I would be happy and free on the road again! (without all those damn MASSHOLES!!);P
For example, when you go to buy a car, the salesman tries to maintain control by playing a game. Assert yourself! He wants to trade you sheet metal for money, and you're going to let him call the shots? You can find a fucking car any day of the week.
And how! I can't tell you how good this advice is- so many people probably fall victim to car-salespeople's predatory tactics. But when I'm there, the minute they try to pull BS, I'm like, oops- you made a mistake. I don't accept this BS from wait staff, when I spend $40 at dinner, and I certainly won't be taking that when I spend 30 grand on a car. Bye now!
I'm happy to allow trained professionals to deal with my car when there's a problem. Often times, I don't know the source of the problem. That being said- I still know the difference between, say, the engine and the starter. I can tell the difference between a brakes problem and an engine problem. But I couldn't tell you much more than that.
The problem isn't that they don't know- it's that they just go ahead and use random words that they don't know. If I don't know the problem, or anything related to it- I describe the symptoms, and don't pretend to know more than I do. I certainly don't suggest that the solenoid on the belts is causing a gas leak.
But getting rights to finish developing the DNF game could be worth more. Currently, the name alone, would sell like hotcakes. Not to mention, I would venture a guess that some fans would purchase to support the franchise, to make sure it continues.
In other words, duke in take two's hands is the best thing that could happen to both take two, and the fans, at this point.
If I put a tax on a non-hot topic issue, people will reject a tax. However, if you put a tax on issues like gay marriage- you'll get the anti-gay crowd backing it, despite the fact that it doesn't make sense, and it'll cost money.
Well this is one step further than that- tax junk food, and fattening items, because everybody is against obesity! Actually, somehow, it will probably psychologically lull people into a sense that they're doing something about the weight problem. Just like that study that found giving people healthy options at fast food resturants made people "FEEL" better about their choices, and in turn, were more inclined to eat worse- Side-salad & Fries study.
Well, no, I'm not arguing that there's strong evidence to support free will, I agree that you're probably right, save some wacky quantum uncertainty thang.
None the less, free will would hold meaning, which without would mean all events are to be determined, and not by you.
Some people, like you, aren't bothered by that, because it really cannot effect your day-to-day one way or another. And some people get very depressed about the idea.
When someone has a valid point, Mr Fredrickson stops replying.
Nah, I just got off the internet for a bit. Anyhow- I will admit, in that situation, I'd probably go to the hospital as well. If I was the boss, or HR there, I'd require everyone to go. They didn't know if it was a pathogen or toxin.
So everybody's convinced me.
I guess I just reacted to the article- 7 people sent to the hospital! As if they were soooo affected, as opposed to a precaution for an otherwise harmless smell.
Anyhow- I deserve to be the troll of this thread, I suppose- but don't write me off for non-idle- type discussions. I do feed off debate.
If will is determined even in part by reality, then it is not 'free,' it is bound. Bound a little, bound completely, bound is not free.
Replace determined with influenced. The concept of free will is seeing reality, and making an informed (or maybe not informed) decision, which is spontaneous, and not a direct effect of environmental factors. This does not rule out the idea that environmental factors can influence the decision. Just because we're bound by reality, doesn't mean we can't have free wills within reality. (I hope)
I think you're spot on with this- I think the argument comes down to whether or not cause and effect is an immovable force, or whether it's highly influencial, but not a guaranteed decision maker.
We don't have enough knowledge to accurately know one way or another, but as you said, and I was getting at- without free will, our actions are meaningless.
The common argument is that we don't know whether or not free will exists, therefore it's irrelevant. I argue that knowledge (or the lack thereof) of reality doesn't make reality irrelevant.
Take this thought experiment. If I caged you up, and gave you a remote with a single button, and told you it had to be pressed every hour for eternity, to keep a group of a thousand people from dieing, you'd belive that your cause has meaning.
Now, you might not be sure if what I said is true- if the button wasn't connected, your life wouldn't have the meaning you believe. If it is connected, you are vindicated. But since there's no way to know for sure one way or another- you choose to believe the best and move foward. That doesn't render the question irrelevant, only moot.
However, if, at the end of your life, I step in and alert you that the button was not connected to anything- your view on the meaning of your life has changed. It is purely the view- but objectively, the meaning of your life has not changed.
So free, will, similarly, may or may not exist. But, just because you don't know, doesn't mean your actions today and tomorrow have meaning. If, at the end of your life, you discover that your decisions and actions were a product of cause and effect, and not free will, your life's meaning will not have changed- only your realization to that meaning (or lack thereof). This does not give your actions today any more or less actual meaning, only an illusion of meaning.
Granted, we can never know for sure, however, to say it doesn't make a difference in the meaning is just plainly not true. The only thing it doesn't make a difference on- is what we can do about it. Which is nothing, either way. But your actions, if constrained to cause and effect, are meaningless.
With free-will, at least you've got purpose, and meaning, instead of watching your body playout a pre-determined path. (And yes, predestination MUST exist if all is a direct path of cause and effect. With a sufficiently advanced computer, and enough knowledge, we could certainly predict the future.)
Except to say that if I shot myself tomorrow, it would have already been written. Therefore for me to do it means it has to have been the way physics required. Or if I decided to sit on my ass and not be proactive for the rest of my life, and die poor and lonely, that would have to be the only way it could happen, if we truely have no free will.
But it would seem I won't take either option, as my free will allows me to be proactive about my future.. unless it's an illusion of free will.
Either way, you're right, there's no effect on me one way or another- just on my mood.
But did I actually make a free decision to eat a hamburger for lunch? Or did trillions of factors cause the arrangement of molecules in my head to cause me to order a burger for lunch? On the very micro level- Is free will just an illusion?
I'm not just talking about macro cause and effect- you recommend a good book, I read it, it changes my life, I decide on a new career... I'm talking about the fact that I have X number of vitamins in my body at a certain point in time, which caused my brain to make a decision in one way that couldn't have been any different due to the alignment of atoms- and I feel like it's my choice, but in reality it's just me witnessing a grand series of events that must already be decided by the seemingly chaotic (but actually very organized) mass collision of particles..?
No, I'm right on target. I said that it was a bad odor that made people feel sick, and I implied they should buck up. Not saying that's easy, but unless there was a poisonous reaction, or spores or something, no need to hospitalize.
The fact that she couldn't smell was precisely why she wasn't affected. Whereas an actual chemical poison or airborne pathogen would be dangerous with or without the use of her nose.
I throw up on roller coasters, I can't help it. But no need to go to the hospital.
While I agree with the notion that a soul seems unlikely (at least by the commonly accepted definition of soul), I also would hate to believe that I don't truely have free will, and instead I'm just a product of trillions of different causes in my environment.
Such a crazy thought. One could drive themselves into depression that way. There's no way to prove reality isn't just my own creation. Since I have no way to prove the people I meet are really... real. The only thing I know is my own experience.
I've been down this thought-road, it's not pretty.
Anyway, I would err on the side of caution. I am proudly FOR robot rights. But I caution everybody- the robot uprising is coming. Which side will you choose?
But if you've got a strong stomach, you can handle it (I'm assuming that's how coroner do it...). My point is this- it wasn't dangerous, it was just a nasty smell.
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I mostly agree - however at higher speeds, even well trained professionals can have accidents. The problem is, at higher speeds, the damage and mortality rate is higher- that is to say, an old person might have a 50% likelihood of crashing, but their speed gives their chances of survival. The higher the speed, the higher the mortality.
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That being said, I think they should impliment yearly driving tests. So many people would fail. I would be happy and free on the road again! (without all those damn MASSHOLES!!)
Not sure how the electrodes got into your mouth. I seem recall that the electrodes were hooked to genitalia.
Oh, I think you figured it out.
For example, when you go to buy a car, the salesman tries to maintain control by playing a game. Assert yourself! He wants to trade you sheet metal for money, and you're going to let him call the shots? You can find a fucking car any day of the week.
And how! I can't tell you how good this advice is- so many people probably fall victim to car-salespeople's predatory tactics. But when I'm there, the minute they try to pull BS, I'm like, oops- you made a mistake. I don't accept this BS from wait staff, when I spend $40 at dinner, and I certainly won't be taking that when I spend 30 grand on a car. Bye now!
I'm happy to allow trained professionals to deal with my car when there's a problem. Often times, I don't know the source of the problem. That being said- I still know the difference between, say, the engine and the starter. I can tell the difference between a brakes problem and an engine problem. But I couldn't tell you much more than that.
The problem isn't that they don't know- it's that they just go ahead and use random words that they don't know. If I don't know the problem, or anything related to it- I describe the symptoms, and don't pretend to know more than I do. I certainly don't suggest that the solenoid on the belts is causing a gas leak.
I also get the term "modem box" frequently, in reference to the tower.
Dude, seriously, I just pull up the build engine, and I can put together 50 levels in like.. 3 weeks. So seriously.. what's the deal?
/sarcasm
...that is all there is to it, right??
But getting rights to finish developing the DNF game could be worth more. Currently, the name alone, would sell like hotcakes. Not to mention, I would venture a guess that some fans would purchase to support the franchise, to make sure it continues.
In other words, duke in take two's hands is the best thing that could happen to both take two, and the fans, at this point.
File restorer 2000 doesn't need file names. But you're right, if the hacker overwrote the files, he's screwed. But it doesn't hurt to try!
Seriously, just load up an undelete program, or file restorer. Do a scan, and recover. This isn't rocket science..
base9 wasn't really that much of a feat. Not to mention, the class action law suit on differing bases really put a damper on that party.
We can def treat them equally- by not supporting tax on either. How's that?
It's moral issues that will get the most backing.
If I put a tax on a non-hot topic issue, people will reject a tax. However, if you put a tax on issues like gay marriage- you'll get the anti-gay crowd backing it, despite the fact that it doesn't make sense, and it'll cost money.
Well this is one step further than that- tax junk food, and fattening items, because everybody is against obesity! Actually, somehow, it will probably psychologically lull people into a sense that they're doing something about the weight problem. Just like that study that found giving people healthy options at fast food resturants made people "FEEL" better about their choices, and in turn, were more inclined to eat worse- Side-salad & Fries study.
I applaud the effort- it's a worthy cause..
But it's not going to make anybody skinny. Just make hordes of cash under a cause that everyone would support. This is a money grab.
Well, no, I'm not arguing that there's strong evidence to support free will, I agree that you're probably right, save some wacky quantum uncertainty thang.
None the less, free will would hold meaning, which without would mean all events are to be determined, and not by you.
Some people, like you, aren't bothered by that, because it really cannot effect your day-to-day one way or another. And some people get very depressed about the idea.
When someone has a valid point, Mr Fredrickson stops replying.
Nah, I just got off the internet for a bit. Anyhow- I will admit, in that situation, I'd probably go to the hospital as well. If I was the boss, or HR there, I'd require everyone to go. They didn't know if it was a pathogen or toxin.
So everybody's convinced me.
I guess I just reacted to the article- 7 people sent to the hospital! As if they were soooo affected, as opposed to a precaution for an otherwise harmless smell.
Anyhow- I deserve to be the troll of this thread, I suppose- but don't write me off for non-idle- type discussions. I do feed off debate.
If will is determined even in part by reality, then it is not 'free,' it is bound. Bound a little, bound completely, bound is not free.
Replace determined with influenced. The concept of free will is seeing reality, and making an informed (or maybe not informed) decision, which is spontaneous, and not a direct effect of environmental factors. This does not rule out the idea that environmental factors can influence the decision. Just because we're bound by reality, doesn't mean we can't have free wills within reality. (I hope)
I think you're spot on with this- I think the argument comes down to whether or not cause and effect is an immovable force, or whether it's highly influencial, but not a guaranteed decision maker.
We don't have enough knowledge to accurately know one way or another, but as you said, and I was getting at- without free will, our actions are meaningless.
The common argument is that we don't know whether or not free will exists, therefore it's irrelevant. I argue that knowledge (or the lack thereof) of reality doesn't make reality irrelevant.
Take this thought experiment. If I caged you up, and gave you a remote with a single button, and told you it had to be pressed every hour for eternity, to keep a group of a thousand people from dieing, you'd belive that your cause has meaning.
Now, you might not be sure if what I said is true- if the button wasn't connected, your life wouldn't have the meaning you believe. If it is connected, you are vindicated. But since there's no way to know for sure one way or another- you choose to believe the best and move foward. That doesn't render the question irrelevant, only moot.
However, if, at the end of your life, I step in and alert you that the button was not connected to anything- your view on the meaning of your life has changed. It is purely the view- but objectively, the meaning of your life has not changed.
So free, will, similarly, may or may not exist. But, just because you don't know, doesn't mean your actions today and tomorrow have meaning. If, at the end of your life, you discover that your decisions and actions were a product of cause and effect, and not free will, your life's meaning will not have changed- only your realization to that meaning (or lack thereof). This does not give your actions today any more or less actual meaning, only an illusion of meaning.
Granted, we can never know for sure, however, to say it doesn't make a difference in the meaning is just plainly not true. The only thing it doesn't make a difference on- is what we can do about it. Which is nothing, either way. But your actions, if constrained to cause and effect, are meaningless.
With free-will, at least you've got purpose, and meaning, instead of watching your body playout a pre-determined path. (And yes, predestination MUST exist if all is a direct path of cause and effect. With a sufficiently advanced computer, and enough knowledge, we could certainly predict the future.)
For my sanity, I vote free will exists.
Except to say that if I shot myself tomorrow, it would have already been written. Therefore for me to do it means it has to have been the way physics required. Or if I decided to sit on my ass and not be proactive for the rest of my life, and die poor and lonely, that would have to be the only way it could happen, if we truely have no free will.
But it would seem I won't take either option, as my free will allows me to be proactive about my future.. unless it's an illusion of free will.
Either way, you're right, there's no effect on me one way or another- just on my mood.
But did I actually make a free decision to eat a hamburger for lunch? Or did trillions of factors cause the arrangement of molecules in my head to cause me to order a burger for lunch? On the very micro level- Is free will just an illusion?
I'm not just talking about macro cause and effect- you recommend a good book, I read it, it changes my life, I decide on a new career... I'm talking about the fact that I have X number of vitamins in my body at a certain point in time, which caused my brain to make a decision in one way that couldn't have been any different due to the alignment of atoms- and I feel like it's my choice, but in reality it's just me witnessing a grand series of events that must already be decided by the seemingly chaotic (but actually very organized) mass collision of particles..?
That's what I'm saying. Buck up! It's just a smell. Some people work around bad smells, they learn to live with it.
Unfortunately, I am now officially this thread's troll.
No, I'm right on target. I said that it was a bad odor that made people feel sick, and I implied they should buck up. Not saying that's easy, but unless there was a poisonous reaction, or spores or something, no need to hospitalize.
The fact that she couldn't smell was precisely why she wasn't affected. Whereas an actual chemical poison or airborne pathogen would be dangerous with or without the use of her nose.
I throw up on roller coasters, I can't help it. But no need to go to the hospital.
Authorities said the worker who cleaned the fridge didn't need treatment â" she can't smell because of allergies.
While I agree with the notion that a soul seems unlikely (at least by the commonly accepted definition of soul), I also would hate to believe that I don't truely have free will, and instead I'm just a product of trillions of different causes in my environment.
Such a crazy thought. One could drive themselves into depression that way. There's no way to prove reality isn't just my own creation. Since I have no way to prove the people I meet are really ... real. The only thing I know is my own experience.
I've been down this thought-road, it's not pretty.
Anyway, I would err on the side of caution. I am proudly FOR robot rights. But I caution everybody- the robot uprising is coming. Which side will you choose?
But if you've got a strong stomach, you can handle it (I'm assuming that's how coroner do it...). My point is this- it wasn't dangerous, it was just a nasty smell.