You are limited to the bandwidth and usage limits set in your contract.
If AT&T can't support that, that's their fault.
Just like broadband ISPs, they oversell and under deliver, then cry about it.
AT&T's business model is not my concern. My contract says unlimited data. I will do what I want within the rules of my contract.
If my contract specifically mentioned not being able to tether unless I paid extra, I'd do it anyone. There is no way for them to know other than sniffing my traffic or guessing based on how much I use.
If you can think of a way for AT&T to know whether or not I'm tethering on my phone, let me know.
CELLPHONE - CELLNETWORK PC - CELLPHONE - CELLNETWORK
AT&T runs the cell network, they can see my phone. AT&T can't see my PC. All AT&T can see is that my phone is talking to the internet, as it usually does. What, are they going to spy on my traffic and see if I'm doing stuff that is usually a PC thing? That's highly illegal.
I can show that those features ARE supported by AT&T on other phones and to other customers, with no additional charges.
AT&T has N O T H I N G to do with the enabling of tethering. There is no difference on AT&T's end whether or not my phone is pulling data for itself or is pulling data for a PC. This is a feature of the PHONE.
AT&T would have to prove that they have any involvement with the feature at all. I could demonstrate in court my phone browsing the web by itself, then my phone tethering to a PC and browsing the web from there. I could show the court with a nice laymen-friendly demo that there is no difference in what happens. I get the same bandwidth, and I'm subject to the same usage caps and rates in both situations.
Even if the judge rules in AT&T's favor, AT&T would have to PROVE that I was tethering. Good luck with that since, as I've demonstrated, there's no damn difference.
Even if they did convince a judge I was tethering, I'd sue them again for spying on my ass.
You are a bigot. It is a perfectly valid perspective.
"Information wants to be free" is a favorite slogan of many slashdot members. Free information means people don't get paid.
I'm sorry, but piracy is theft, and it's illegal, and guess what, 99.9% of slashdotters do it.
Why do pirates such as yourself (we all know you're a pirate, don't try to deny it) always try to hide the fact? Why do they feel the need to rationalize their behavior? Why live in denial? Why attack a user with a different opinion?
Just go pirate your shit, don't pay for anything unless you can't avoid it, and then bitch about the RIAA, MPAA, etc. on the internet.
"As if I was consuming the bandwidth on the phone itself."
Have they gotten to the point where they have actually tricked you into thinking there's a difference?
You ARE consuming the bandwidth on the phone itself. The phone happens to be relaying the data to a PC. So what? My old phone and $30 AT&T unlimited plan from over years ago does this (over USB instead of WiFi, but given the choice I'd use USB anyway).
Windows CE is used in a lot of places. Windows CE is in fact rock solid, as Nvidia says.
Android is not targeted for the same applications (as in uses, not as in programs) that Windows CE is.
Regardless, this is all marketing. MS agrees to use Nvidia's platform in shit like the Zune HD. Nvidia agrees to praise Windows CE and say they're optimizing for it. Nvidia doesn't give a rat's ass what they actually use, as long as it's competent (as Windows CE and Android both are).
Marge: [voice over] It all started on the thirteenth hour, of the
thirteenth day, of the thirteenth month. We were there to
discuss the misprinted calendars the school had purchased. Homer: [shivering, looking at the calendar] Oh, lousy Smarch weather.
Shit, I might move there, get some lame job, fill out the application and write N/A, then talk all day about twitter and facebook and myspace.
When I get fired, I'll claim it was because of that, and money grubbing lawyers will be frothing at the mouth to represent me and get a chunk of my millions.
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Wow I get modded troll while the moron above me gets modded insightful?
Everything I said is factually correct.
Much of what the moron above me said is factually incorrect.
Oh slashdot, you piece of shit.
You are limited to the bandwidth and usage limits set in your contract.
If AT&T can't support that, that's their fault.
Just like broadband ISPs, they oversell and under deliver, then cry about it.
AT&T's business model is not my concern.
My contract says unlimited data. I will do what I want within the rules of my contract.
If my contract specifically mentioned not being able to tether unless I paid extra, I'd do it anyone. There is no way for them to know other than sniffing my traffic or guessing based on how much I use.
If you can think of a way for AT&T to know whether or not I'm tethering on my phone, let me know.
LOLWUT.
CELLPHONE - CELLNETWORK
PC - CELLPHONE - CELLNETWORK
AT&T runs the cell network, they can see my phone.
AT&T can't see my PC. All AT&T can see is that my phone is talking to the internet, as it usually does. What, are they going to spy on my traffic and see if I'm doing stuff that is usually a PC thing? That's highly illegal.
Why would I care about how much money a random lawyer has made?
Anonymous Cowardon asked why there are so few lawyers fighting against the RIAA.
I said ethics don't mean shit, and that it's all about the money. If you have a problem with that, that's fine, but it's the truth.
And most lawyers who do pro-bono work do it to get recognition so they can charge more later.
Lawyers who actually care are few and far between, and they usually don't last long, and they rarely win.
No it wouldn't.
I can show that those features ARE supported by AT&T on other phones and to other customers, with no additional charges.
AT&T has N O T H I N G to do with the enabling of tethering. There is no difference on AT&T's end whether or not my phone is pulling data for itself or is pulling data for a PC. This is a feature of the PHONE.
AT&T would have to prove that they have any involvement with the feature at all. I could demonstrate in court my phone browsing the web by itself, then my phone tethering to a PC and browsing the web from there. I could show the court with a nice laymen-friendly demo that there is no difference in what happens. I get the same bandwidth, and I'm subject to the same usage caps and rates in both situations.
Even if the judge rules in AT&T's favor, AT&T would have to PROVE that I was tethering. Good luck with that since, as I've demonstrated, there's no damn difference.
Even if they did convince a judge I was tethering, I'd sue them again for spying on my ass.
Read eldavojohn's post, please.
'It's got everything you need to be a game changer,' said Neil Young
Young went on to say that the iPhone "keeps him searching for a game of gold" and went on to speak of the coming mobile console war:
There's fanboi lines bein' drawn
A-nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people spendin' their dimes
A-iPhone sales leavin' others far behind
Like I said, I'd write that I have no online accounts at all, then talk loudly about all my online social activities after being hired.
A little from column A, a little from column B.
Ethics are made-up, feel-good guidelines that have no legal standing.
Oaths?
What kind of crack are you on, Anonymous Cowardon?
It's all about the money.
Yes, why the hell else would he pick Sarah Palin? McCain had it all but locked up before Palin entered the picture.
No, McCain would never make it through a 4-year term if he started in 2012. He'd die in office in a very undignified manner.
Yeah, I've NEVER heard "information wants to be free" on slashdot. Everyone says it should be paid for.
You are a bigot.
It is a perfectly valid perspective.
"Information wants to be free" is a favorite slogan of many slashdot members. Free information means people don't get paid.
I'm sorry, but piracy is theft, and it's illegal, and guess what, 99.9% of slashdotters do it.
Why do pirates such as yourself (we all know you're a pirate, don't try to deny it) always try to hide the fact? Why do they feel the need to rationalize their behavior? Why live in denial? Why attack a user with a different opinion?
Just go pirate your shit, don't pay for anything unless you can't avoid it, and then bitch about the RIAA, MPAA, etc. on the internet.
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Uh, no.
You use your phone to access the internet over the cellular network.
Whether or not your phone then communicates with your PC or other devices makes no difference. At all.
What are they going to do? Stop taking your money every month?
"As if I was consuming the bandwidth on the phone itself."
Have they gotten to the point where they have actually tricked you into thinking there's a difference?
You ARE consuming the bandwidth on the phone itself.
The phone happens to be relaying the data to a PC. So what? My old phone and $30 AT&T unlimited plan from over years ago does this (over USB instead of WiFi, but given the choice I'd use USB anyway).
Nor could an insecurity expert do the work.
They'd take $5000 and hold a contest to get some kid to do it.
As much as I hate Apple, I don't think Apple is afraid of Android. It's basically everyone vs the iPhone at this point.
People will pay in blood and organs for Apple products, if that's the price Steve sets (and with his health issues it might not be too far off).
Like how they got Nvidia support into Linux, right?
Oh wait.
They're in fact two different things.
Windows CE is used in a lot of places.
Windows CE is in fact rock solid, as Nvidia says.
Android is not targeted for the same applications (as in uses, not as in programs) that Windows CE is.
Regardless, this is all marketing. MS agrees to use Nvidia's platform in shit like the Zune HD.
Nvidia agrees to praise Windows CE and say they're optimizing for it. Nvidia doesn't give a rat's ass what they actually use, as long as it's competent (as Windows CE and Android both are).
Marge: [voice over] It all started on the thirteenth hour, of the
thirteenth day, of the thirteenth month. We were there to
discuss the misprinted calendars the school had purchased.
Homer: [shivering, looking at the calendar] Oh, lousy Smarch weather.
If they can't pay I'll just take the city and start over. With blackjack. And hookers.
Yes, I know.
But landlines are the classic analogy for the dedicated circuit vs switched circuit deal.
And it wasn't that long ago that it was still an apt analogy (from a user's perspective) since the capacity was there.
And then it's lawyer time.
Shit, I might move there, get some lame job, fill out the application and write N/A, then talk all day about twitter and facebook and myspace.
When I get fired, I'll claim it was because of that, and money grubbing lawyers will be frothing at the mouth to represent me and get a chunk of my millions.
N/A