They can if the primary purpose of the device (as evidenced by their discussion forums, the developers talking to the media, etc.) is to emulate old hardware and play teh wAr3z.
If any of that hardware had any sort of protection (code/bios signing), then any emulators are illegal according to the DMCA. Nearly all consoles/portables/arcade boards in the past 12 years have had some sort of protection that is covered by the DMCA.
Developing or distributing an emulator that gets around those protections IS illegal. (As it stands, HAVING the emulator technically is not illegal.)
If the Pandora guys are distributing emulators, they could be screwed. If they're distributing code for the emulators, they could be screwed (and users could be screwed if some lawyer argues that users simply compiling that code constitutes a violation of the DMCA).
Look, if you don't know about the small nuclear reactors being developed by companies like Fuji and Toshiba, you obviously aren't giving nuclear power any real thought.
You ask where they are, yet you espouse the very bullshit that has kept ALL nuclear projects out of the US for decades. Might as well ask "why are you hitting yourself?".
Why do you think that last reactor took 30 fucking years? (Hint: It's the fear mongering from people like you.)
Wind power is inefficient in terms of resources in per energy out when compared to nuclear. They require constant maintenance, and constant lubrication (oil!). They can be deployed quickly, sure, that's because they're already made. The small nuclear power plants being developed and tested (which you simply refuse to acknowledge) have the same advantage. They have the added advantage of being able to be placed just about anywhere, and being able to decentralize (electrical infrastructure) the neighborhood they're in.
Pro tip: The small, decentralized nuclear reactors are being developed by companies from and the government of the only country to ever suffer nuclear warfare. If any nation could be understandably afraid the nuclear boogeyman, it's Japan.
For your other "points":
From your own shitipedia:
"As mining techniques and the price of minerals improve, it is not unusual for tailings to be reprocessed using new methods, or more thoroughly with old methods, to recover additional minerals. Yesterday's tails can be tomorrow's resource".
"The 2005 report prepared by the Chernobyl Forum, led by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and World Health Organization (WHO), attributed 56 direct deaths (47 accident workers, and nine children with thyroid cancer), and estimated that there may be 4,000 extra cancer deaths among the approximately 600,000 most highly exposed people.[5] Although the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone and certain limited areas remain off limits, the majority of affected areas are now considered safe for settlement and economic activity."
Why would you make Wall Street pay for anything? It's something the government should be paying for. Use some of the $700,000,000,000 for nuclear power, not bailing out the crooks.
The amount of concrete and steel used to build a plant is nothing. Consider the amount of materials used to build and maintain windmills, dams, etc. Consider the power output of nuclear vs anything else.
Mining for uranium can be and is done safely and cleanly.
Waste is "bad" because it's still radioactive. This is where smaller plants, like the ones being developed for neighborhoods, come into play.
High yield material is used for large plants. Then it gets reused hand-me-down style to their little brothers. When it's no longer radioactive enough to be of any use, guess what - it's not too much of a problem. The Curie's died, sure, but they'd be ashamed at the fear that grips society, and disappointed that people are still so ignorant about radiation.
What is the life span of a nuclear power plant? Why is that land not useful for anything? Are you saying it's contaminated and useless? That is false.
Hell, Chernobyl was deemed fine in 2005, less than 20 years after the worst-case scenario, which doesn't even apply in modern plant designs.
If you want to talk about a waste of materials, toxic chemicals, etc., look at all the efforts to go green. Solar power and electric/hybrid cars are the worst offenders. Those batteries, those PV cells, those CFLs, etc. all contain toxic shit, and all are harmful to the environment to create. One nuclear power plant would take the place of countless solar cells, would take the initial resources of far less, and would last far, far longer.
There is simply nothing we have a handle on that can compete with nuclear power.
Safe. Cheap. Clean. Abundant. Not controlled by countries that hate us.
You're not familiar with Nintendo's legal team, are you?
The difference between this and a PC is that the Pandora is marketed (officially or not) with emulators as the main attraction. Someone will be making money off of it. Someone will be distributing the hardware, and possibly even the code for the emulators.
In the US...
Having ROMs you don't own is illegal. Having BIOS dumps you don't own is illegal.
Having an emulator isn't illegal.
Making emulators is illegal, IF you're breaking any sort of encryption/protection, doing any reverse engineering, etc. to do it. Almost all relatively modern consoles, handhelds, and arcade boards all make use of some protection (typically code signing).
Bleem! got in JUST before the DMCA threw that wrench into the mix.
The focus is, of course, on stopping people who make MONEY on such things. You've seen those 5,000 Games in One! things that are basically a controller with ROMs and an emulator built in, that you plug into your TV directly, right? That's what companies like Nintendo go after. Why attack the little people when you can attack someone who's doing it on a large scale and making money off of your work?
If emulators are being distributed through Pandora's official channels, there will obviously be issues. If people are doing it the good ol' OSS way and users are compiling their emulators after getting the code, it would be interesting to see if lawyers try to lump that in with the restrictions from the DMCA.
A quick look at the Pandora's forums reveals that yes, this is the major intended use.
I'll probably get one if it turns out decently. I for one wholly support maintaining accessibility to older games, movies, etc.
But legally, whether you like it or not, what 99% of Pandora users (myself included) will be doing is blatantly against the law.
Yeah, and lithium ion batteries and toner cartridges get recycled too. Those rivers in southeast asia just grow tons of those naturally.
Here's how it works: Company has a "recycling program" and gets tax credits, looks good, etc. They then ship crap to a larger recycling center.
The recycling center does the same to a larger recycling center.
Eventually, someone in a foreign country rips out any valuable materials (value is determined by ease of reclamation, and is watered down by all the middlemen collecting $ along the way.
It's not OUT yet, and is scheduled for sometime this year. They've had nothing but fuckups and bad luck so far trying to get the damn things into production.
We all know the Pandora's only marketable feature is that you can run emulators on it out of the box. Can't wait for the lawyers to jump on that one (and they will, since that feature is being promoted heavily).
You mean those home depots that are closing all over the place?
And what do you think they do with them? Recycle them? Hahaha, no.
Electricity is only generated from coal because we're not allowed to go nuclear. It's the ONLY viable option, it's perfectly safe, and it's clean as a whistle.
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We hold you sub-omegaloids in the highest regard!
Oh Jesus. Hadoop.
You just referenced Hadoop.
Did you check the forums?
What are 90% of the discussions about?
Have you seen the developers talk about the device to the media? What do they talk about?
They can if the primary purpose of the device (as evidenced by their discussion forums, the developers talking to the media, etc.) is to emulate old hardware and play teh wAr3z.
If any of that hardware had any sort of protection (code/bios signing), then any emulators are illegal according to the DMCA. Nearly all consoles/portables/arcade boards in the past 12 years have had some sort of protection that is covered by the DMCA.
Developing or distributing an emulator that gets around those protections IS illegal. (As it stands, HAVING the emulator technically is not illegal.)
If the Pandora guys are distributing emulators, they could be screwed. If they're distributing code for the emulators, they could be screwed (and users could be screwed if some lawyer argues that users simply compiling that code constitutes a violation of the DMCA).
The latest news on the site says they've been having issues with the battery and the case, and that they'll be prototyping soon.
According to the site, people got DEVELOPMENT BOARDS - not the pandora.
Look, if you don't know about the small nuclear reactors being developed by companies like Fuji and Toshiba, you obviously aren't giving nuclear power any real thought.
You ask where they are, yet you espouse the very bullshit that has kept ALL nuclear projects out of the US for decades. Might as well ask "why are you hitting yourself?".
Why do you think that last reactor took 30 fucking years? (Hint: It's the fear mongering from people like you.)
Wind power is inefficient in terms of resources in per energy out when compared to nuclear. They require constant maintenance, and constant lubrication (oil!). They can be deployed quickly, sure, that's because they're already made. The small nuclear power plants being developed and tested (which you simply refuse to acknowledge) have the same advantage. They have the added advantage of being able to be placed just about anywhere, and being able to decentralize (electrical infrastructure) the neighborhood they're in.
Pro tip: The small, decentralized nuclear reactors are being developed by companies from and the government of the only country to ever suffer nuclear warfare. If any nation could be understandably afraid the nuclear boogeyman, it's Japan.
For your other "points":
From your own shitipedia:
"As mining techniques and the price of minerals improve, it is not unusual for tailings to be reprocessed using new methods, or more thoroughly with old methods, to recover additional minerals. Yesterday's tails can be tomorrow's resource".
"The 2005 report prepared by the Chernobyl Forum, led by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and World Health Organization (WHO), attributed 56 direct deaths (47 accident workers, and nine children with thyroid cancer), and estimated that there may be 4,000 extra cancer deaths among the approximately 600,000 most highly exposed people.[5] Although the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone and certain limited areas remain off limits, the majority of affected areas are now considered safe for settlement and economic activity."
Why would you make Wall Street pay for anything? It's something the government should be paying for. Use some of the $700,000,000,000 for nuclear power, not bailing out the crooks.
The amount of concrete and steel used to build a plant is nothing. Consider the amount of materials used to build and maintain windmills, dams, etc. Consider the power output of nuclear vs anything else.
Mining for uranium can be and is done safely and cleanly.
Waste is "bad" because it's still radioactive.
This is where smaller plants, like the ones being developed for neighborhoods, come into play.
High yield material is used for large plants. Then it gets reused hand-me-down style to their little brothers. When it's no longer radioactive enough to be of any use, guess what - it's not too much of a problem. The Curie's died, sure, but they'd be ashamed at the fear that grips society, and disappointed that people are still so ignorant about radiation.
What is the life span of a nuclear power plant? Why is that land not useful for anything? Are you saying it's contaminated and useless? That is false.
Hell, Chernobyl was deemed fine in 2005, less than 20 years after the worst-case scenario, which doesn't even apply in modern plant designs.
If you want to talk about a waste of materials, toxic chemicals, etc., look at all the efforts to go green. Solar power and electric/hybrid cars are the worst offenders. Those batteries, those PV cells, those CFLs, etc. all contain toxic shit, and all are harmful to the environment to create.
One nuclear power plant would take the place of countless solar cells, would take the initial resources of far less, and would last far, far longer.
There is simply nothing we have a handle on that can compete with nuclear power.
Safe.
Cheap.
Clean.
Abundant.
Not controlled by countries that hate us.
The day before the IPO.
Then sell, sell, sell, and bail out.
COULDN'T CARE LESS.
Way to include that info in your original rant, asshole.
Charter is in bed with Universal and someone else.
I looked into it a few years back when my parents got a warning letter for downloading some movie.
(The letter was prompt and accurate.)
No idea about the music side of things.
You're not familiar with Nintendo's legal team, are you?
The difference between this and a PC is that the Pandora is marketed (officially or not) with emulators as the main attraction. Someone will be making money off of it. Someone will be distributing the hardware, and possibly even the code for the emulators.
In the US...
Having ROMs you don't own is illegal.
Having BIOS dumps you don't own is illegal.
Having an emulator isn't illegal.
Making emulators is illegal, IF you're breaking any sort of encryption/protection, doing any reverse engineering, etc. to do it. Almost all relatively modern consoles, handhelds, and arcade boards all make use of some protection (typically code signing).
Bleem! got in JUST before the DMCA threw that wrench into the mix.
The focus is, of course, on stopping people who make MONEY on such things. You've seen those 5,000 Games in One! things that are basically a controller with ROMs and an emulator built in, that you plug into your TV directly, right? That's what companies like Nintendo go after. Why attack the little people when you can attack someone who's doing it on a large scale and making money off of your work?
If emulators are being distributed through Pandora's official channels, there will obviously be issues.
If people are doing it the good ol' OSS way and users are compiling their emulators after getting the code, it would be interesting to see if lawyers try to lump that in with the restrictions from the DMCA.
A quick look at the Pandora's forums reveals that yes, this is the major intended use.
I'll probably get one if it turns out decently.
I for one wholly support maintaining accessibility to older games, movies, etc.
But legally, whether you like it or not, what 99% of Pandora users (myself included) will be doing is blatantly against the law.
You forgot ""open-minded"" and ""tolerant"".
You're not required to follow their decisions or use their standards.
If everyone listened to the IEEE, IETF, etc., we'd never get anything done.
Yes, it is.
Please explain how it is not.
Yeah, and lithium ion batteries and toner cartridges get recycled too.
Those rivers in southeast asia just grow tons of those naturally.
Here's how it works:
Company has a "recycling program" and gets tax credits, looks good, etc. They then ship crap to a larger recycling center.
The recycling center does the same to a larger recycling center.
Eventually, someone in a foreign country rips out any valuable materials (value is determined by ease of reclamation, and is watered down by all the middlemen collecting $ along the way.
Then shit gets dumped, as usual.
Seems to me laid-off "workers" need a job.
Dismay? No.
Tears of laughter? Yes.
It's not OUT yet, and is scheduled for sometime this year.
They've had nothing but fuckups and bad luck so far trying to get the damn things into production.
Aptly-named device is aptly-named.
"2009 will surely be the year of the Pandora."
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
We all know the Pandora's only marketable feature is that you can run emulators on it out of the box. Can't wait for the lawyers to jump on that one (and they will, since that feature is being promoted heavily).
You don't have an astigmatism.
You have astigmatism.
All astigmatism means is that your eyes are different.
Because that would reveal CFLs to be shit!
But those LCDs the environmentalists sold us waste electricity for black text, since the backlight is still on!
(Hint: He was probably referring to a much lower level - storing that data, hitting that key on the keyboard, etc.)
Reading in general is hurting your eyes.
Light or dark makes little difference as long as you can see the text.
Physically straining to read in low-light is a symptom of broken eyes, not a cause.
You mean those home depots that are closing all over the place?
And what do you think they do with them? Recycle them? Hahaha, no.
Electricity is only generated from coal because we're not allowed to go nuclear. It's the ONLY viable option, it's perfectly safe, and it's clean as a whistle.