It is not a matter of "freedom." It is a matter of getting the fucking job done.
It is the matter of long term investment. I guess you have a toilet in your house, that is a long term investment in health, comfort. You could say "why the fuck should I bother to dig a hole, I can just shit in a corner", but you are not that stupid now are you?
Say no thanks to a wifi driver?
If you have a closed wifi card and can't remove it, well, then use the proprietary driver, but please, for your own sake, next time, when buying hardware, look for something more free.
you keep metioning freedom as if having completely open-source software will make the world a better place to live and cure all the problems with humanity
This kind of comment makes me want to heavily beat you with a trout. It is not supposed to cure you from AIDS aids, but it is supposed to make a world a better place. If you consider a solution worthy only when it solves problems it has nothing to do with, turn in your geek card and get promoted to PHB.
the mess you have to deal with is proof you will never get promoted, do anything useful and joy of work will only happen in sex (on vacation, because coming some at 2 a.m. and cursing about browsers is not exactly romantic)
I have bought very few titles in my lifetime, usually I just crack software, but since I am on linux I don't do cracking, I just play free games (Like enemy territory).
What I don't understand is - why don't game producers just don't pack their games in light and full versions and throw them in repositories? Light version installs with no restrictions, but game-play is limited (like first 5 levels or something);full version installs in the same manner, but requires key, which can be obtained by pay-pal in 3 min. This way games are much more accessible (browse-click-click-play) thus increasing potential costumer base. This way, even if piracy is high, income is significant. And why would people pirate a game if installation is so convenient? Plus, linux popularity would go up:)
And before you crush my ideal world with realistic reasons, I know that game producers don't see big enough market in linux, but this is for those who do.
who have no interest on learning or being exposed to new stuff.
Almost all kids are interested in learning and being exposed to new stuff, it just has to be interesting. I personally was interested in mathematics because I liked numbers as such, but if a kid doesn't care about things that don't affect their lives, maybe teachers should show, how it does affect them.
Think bit harder next time. 1. Gaussian Function is no god sent writing on the wall. If you only educate the very smart ones, you get two peaks - the very good, and very poor results (I've seen it in action). 2. > If we leave some children behind, we can run much faster. And of course the ones behind will never become politicians, never be promoted to management, never let their computers become part of botnet etc. 3. Government guarantees education. Just because some people don't have the abilities to adapt to the teaching methods doesn't mean state can (should) just dich them. 4. What is it with this winners/losers mentality. I certainly didn't go to school to "compete for the prize", and if it comes with mockery of being called a loser, I despise it even more.
But if you're rich, smart or successful then you're a fucking pig for making everyone else feel inferior... what the hell!?
Problem with awards is that they promote certain qualities. Being smart suddenly becomes more important than being, for instance, helpful. Thus not-so-bright kids are demoralized. So, are these awards necessary?
Another problem is that reward becomes the motivation - ideally everyone wants to get the reward, but only the top few get it. So, if I am realistic and see, that I will only get near the top if I learn 16 hours a day, I fall in despair and see no motivation to be even good, because, it is "gold or bust" situation. Imagine that in your workplace only top 10 workers would get all the salaries and only way to get anything would be becoming one of them. Would you accept the system?
When you fight a war, you need to fight to win it. Otherwise, you get into a situation like Vietnam
Also, when in casino, you play until casino is dry. You don't actually do that because you know the casino never loses. It is called intelligence. And apparently US military doesn't have much of it. Of course one starts a war if there is no intention to win, but when one finds himself up crap creek, it is better to rethink.
Animal farm shows neatly, what happens when citizens trust government. The book is attack to communists, because they did just that - promised better times, delivered none of it, ruling people worked only in their own interests and nobody else had a clue before it was too late. I see no problems applying this to "democratic" governments as well. After all, everyone agreed, that pigs are the ones to be trusted with ruling.
I come from culture, where religion and state are quite separate (more or less), it seems this is not the case where you live in. So let me show how it looks from here.
Religion is not something arbitrary fallen from sky. It does change and adapt to modern realities, how it does adapt depends on people in community. And what religion impose is what this community considers to be good thing to do. If the [religious] community is at war with another community (religious or not), then we have problems one way or another.
I believe religion has the ability to keep morals and values better than fashion (e.g. career over family values), I is debatable, whether it is a good thing.
And I also see, that what I pictured above is not quite what is happening where ever you live. It seems that there are a lot of people, who are "saving poor souls from fires of hell", not asking whether they want to be saved. Religion (especially monotheism) is more like a trigger. This one might go more into debate of what kills people (guns or people).
Final note: it seems you react passionately (as in "I wouldn't want to say anything restriction praising in your presence while you slice bread") about limiting freedoms. If there were no limits... umm... we wouldn't be human... um... we would be dead.
I know I know this is a matter of balance, and there is no clear line (or net, or anything), yet before delivering final blow, one should think about what it is about and why.
Mythology is set of stories. Religion is set of beliefs and practices (brought you by wikipedia to the lazy). Value of religion is still there even if you prove the mythology unscientific.
Oh, yes. If believing in Ares makes me better warrior, then it is better than believing in tooth fairy (unless I want to code 8/5).
Also, if I believe in false stories, that never happened, and it makes me a better person, why shouldn't I?
Operating systems seem to come with culture. Linux comes with "free" culture, and if one uses Linux (forgive me, RMS), one tends to adapt the culture and consider free soft natural state of things.
On MacOS, however, the culture goes like "you pay for everything". Apps are crippled and if you need something good - you pay. In this environment you consider being paid for software natural state of things.
Note, I have never in my life used MacOS. What I have just said is more like theoretical observation.
On windows front this issue is very unclear. People expect everything for free, but it should have a price tag, or it is shit.
I have no idea what developers think there. Do they?
What's particularly interesting is that China will be a huge proponent of OSS, as the government is very suspicious of closed-source software
That, or they will just leach and give nothing back. Why would they bother?
It's ironic, but it also makes sense that "open" governments have to hide their dirty laundry, while governments that have no need to maintain the pretense of being democratic and free can actually openly air their dirty laundry.
Government has to keep good appearances, otherwise it will be replaced. The difference between democratic and totalitarian countries is the threshold (how bad it has to appear) and violence.
Well, communism works great, if there is abundance. And in case of software, there is abundance.
Capitalism works on axiom "there is infinite human needs and wants, in a world of finite resources", and it can't normally work in world where production (copying) and distribution is very cheep, so it must make resources scares artificially (DRM and such).
Anyway, what these communist countries did wrong was what Software vendors and MAFIAA did - applied good paradigm in wrong situation.
>Developers are developers. Expecting them to deliver anything more than code is a poor idea.
You assume the developer is the only ones that make documentation. It can be made by users themselves (from users to users).
One of my favourite examples of well documented F/OSS is bacula. The manual is about 1000 pages long and it has full information about all questions I had. Without this document, bacula is near to worthless (even dangerous to system health).
Applications can take all CPU time and still work in power-save mode, trackerd did just that. If nightlife programmers did their job, only additional cost would be extra spinning of disk (if it would stop otherwise) and extra work of NIC.
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It is not a matter of "freedom." It is a matter of getting the fucking job done.
It is the matter of long term investment. I guess you have a toilet in your house, that is a long term investment in health, comfort. You could say "why the fuck should I bother to dig a hole, I can just shit in a corner", but you are not that stupid now are you?
Say no thanks to a wifi driver?
If you have a closed wifi card and can't remove it, well, then use the proprietary driver, but please, for your own sake, next time, when buying hardware, look for something more free.
you keep metioning freedom as if having completely open-source software will make the world a better place to live and cure all the problems with humanity
This kind of comment makes me want to heavily beat you with a trout. It is not supposed to cure you from AIDS aids, but it is supposed to make a world a better place. If you consider a solution worthy only when it solves problems it has nothing to do with, turn in your geek card and get promoted to PHB.
the mess you have to deal with is proof you will never get promoted, do anything useful and joy of work will only happen in sex (on vacation, because coming some at 2 a.m. and cursing about browsers is not exactly romantic)
There, fixed it for you
I have bought very few titles in my lifetime, usually I just crack software, but since I am on linux I don't do cracking, I just play free games (Like enemy territory).
What I don't understand is - why don't game producers just don't pack their games in light and full versions and throw them in repositories? Light version installs with no restrictions, but game-play is limited (like first 5 levels or something);full version installs in the same manner, but requires key, which can be obtained by pay-pal in 3 min. :)
This way games are much more accessible (browse-click-click-play) thus increasing potential costumer base. This way, even if piracy is high, income is significant. And why would people pirate a game if installation is so convenient?
Plus, linux popularity would go up
And before you crush my ideal world with realistic reasons, I know that game producers don't see big enough market in linux, but this is for those who do.
Should schools put grades above childes mental health?
Maybe it was a lousy example, my point, however, is that academic institution shouldn't put academic achievement above everything else.
Almost all kids are interested in learning and being exposed to new stuff, it just has to be interesting. I personally was interested in mathematics because I liked numbers as such, but if a kid doesn't care about things that don't affect their lives, maybe teachers should show, how it does affect them.
Think bit harder next time.
1. Gaussian Function is no god sent writing on the wall. If you only educate the very smart ones, you get two peaks - the very good, and very poor results (I've seen it in action).
2. > If we leave some children behind, we can run much faster.
And of course the ones behind will never become politicians, never be promoted to management, never let their computers become part of botnet etc.
3. Government guarantees education. Just because some people don't have the abilities to adapt to the teaching methods doesn't mean state can (should) just dich them.
4. What is it with this winners/losers mentality. I certainly didn't go to school to "compete for the prize", and if it comes with mockery of being called a loser, I despise it even more.
Problem with awards is that they promote certain qualities. Being smart suddenly becomes more important than being, for instance, helpful. Thus not-so-bright kids are demoralized. So, are these awards necessary?
Another problem is that reward becomes the motivation - ideally everyone wants to get the reward, but only the top few get it. So, if I am realistic and see, that I will only get near the top if I learn 16 hours a day, I fall in despair and see no motivation to be even good, because, it is "gold or bust" situation. Imagine that in your workplace only top 10 workers would get all the salaries and only way to get anything would be becoming one of them. Would you accept the system?
Also, when in casino, you play until casino is dry. You don't actually do that because you know the casino never loses. It is called intelligence. And apparently US military doesn't have much of it. Of course one starts a war if there is no intention to win, but when one finds himself up crap creek, it is better to rethink.
FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_wars#2000-_present
Animal farm shows neatly, what happens when citizens trust government. The book is attack to communists, because they did just that - promised better times, delivered none of it, ruling people worked only in their own interests and nobody else had a clue before it was too late.
I see no problems applying this to "democratic" governments as well. After all, everyone agreed, that pigs are the ones to be trusted with ruling.
Code shows, how it works, comments - how it should work, or at least, what the author meant. This might come in handy debugging.
Maybe it is because of incompatible personalities, and not so much because of gender?
I come from culture, where religion and state are quite separate (more or less), it seems this is not the case where you live in. So let me show how it looks from here.
Religion is not something arbitrary fallen from sky. It does change and adapt to modern realities, how it does adapt depends on people in community. And what religion impose is what this community considers to be good thing to do. If the [religious] community is at war with another community (religious or not), then we have problems one way or another.
I believe religion has the ability to keep morals and values better than fashion (e.g. career over family values), I is debatable, whether it is a good thing.
And I also see, that what I pictured above is not quite what is happening where ever you live. It seems that there are a lot of people, who are "saving poor souls from fires of hell", not asking whether they want to be saved. Religion (especially monotheism) is more like a trigger. This one might go more into debate of what kills people (guns or people).
Final note: it seems you react passionately (as in "I wouldn't want to say anything restriction praising in your presence while you slice bread") about limiting freedoms. If there were no limits... umm... we wouldn't be human... um... we would be dead.
I know I know this is a matter of balance, and there is no clear line (or net, or anything), yet before delivering final blow, one should think about what it is about and why.
Mythology is set of stories. Religion is set of beliefs and practices (brought you by wikipedia to the lazy). Value of religion is still there even if you prove the mythology unscientific.
Oh, yes. If believing in Ares makes me better warrior, then it is better than believing in tooth fairy (unless I want to code 8/5).
Also, if I believe in false stories, that never happened, and it makes me a better person, why shouldn't I?
Operating systems seem to come with culture. Linux comes with "free" culture, and if one uses Linux (forgive me, RMS), one tends to adapt the culture and consider free soft natural state of things.
On MacOS, however, the culture goes like "you pay for everything". Apps are crippled and if you need something good - you pay. In this environment you consider being paid for software natural state of things.
Note, I have never in my life used MacOS. What I have just said is more like theoretical observation.
On windows front this issue is very unclear. People expect everything for free, but it should have a price tag, or it is shit.
I have no idea what developers think there. Do they?
Lets look at examples
As we can clearly see, this company was hopelessly doomed in '73 and '88 was sure death. I wonder whatever happened to them...
If the question is good and is worth other people attention, it should be modded "interesting".
That, or they will just leach and give nothing back. Why would they bother?
Government has to keep good appearances, otherwise it will be replaced. The difference between democratic and totalitarian countries is the threshold (how bad it has to appear) and violence.
Well, communism works great, if there is abundance. And in case of software, there is abundance.
Capitalism works on axiom "there is infinite human needs and wants, in a world of finite resources", and it can't normally work in world where production (copying) and distribution is very cheep, so it must make resources scares artificially (DRM and such).
Anyway, what these communist countries did wrong was what Software vendors and MAFIAA did - applied good paradigm in wrong situation.
>Mod me down if you like, but
Is it from series "if you want something not to be done, tell moderators to do so"?
>Developers are developers. Expecting them to deliver anything more than code is a poor idea.
You assume the developer is the only ones that make documentation. It can be made by users themselves (from users to users).
One of my favourite examples of well documented F/OSS is bacula. The manual is about 1000 pages long and it has full information about all questions I had. Without this document, bacula is near to worthless (even dangerous to system health).
Somehow I see the "???" as substitute for "the ugly part nobody wants to remember".
Umm, because they don't? It is not like Microsoft is holding consumer hand or something.
Applications can take all CPU time and still work in power-save mode, trackerd did just that. If nightlife programmers did their job, only additional cost would be extra spinning of disk (if it would stop otherwise) and extra work of NIC.