Former is too slow and relies on power... Latter could work if set up right, although thermite on the storage unit would be better. No explosion, more damage to the target.
Generally the "don't spend my money"ers are actually "don't spend my money except on things that cause violent death"ers. They're all for a huge bloated military.
That being said. W.T.F. I have to agree with the GP... What the hell kind of reason do they have firing, even blanks in public areas like this. If it wasn't very well marked all over the place "military training exercise", I sure as hell hope someone gets fired/jailed for this idiocy.
Yes... because in all but a few cases, the weaponry they so desire to protect, is not terribly useful against the military, and is better suited for harassing/abusing minimally defended/hardened targets, like unarmed civilians in medium-large numbers or similarly armed civilians in small numbers.
well, if you really want to go with that analogy...
More like the bully and that kid who had the funny smell that nobody wanted to hang around... The bully and funny-smell kid were exchanging words - hard to say who started it at this point, and the bully escalates and starts throwing spitwads after the smelly kid threatens to go home and grab a lead pipe for "a school project". The bully has several, and knows exactly what kind of projects those pipes are used for, after having 'dual-wielded' them on what is now one of his best friends.
Or a whole bunch of machines on a small scale. Traffice lights and elevators come to mind depending on how much of the systems rely on simple hard blocks for the dangerous things they can do, and how much is processed through the more complex systems.
I had a NF7S v2, and nothing crashed the thing, even with decent overclocking. Used a few others as well.
But yeah, that board was made after VIA stopped making decent chipsets. Can't do much about that, and not everything ABit made was good. Even a good manufacturer can make a board on a bad chipset. You look at both.
Heh, MSI and Soyo were my worst experiences, by far.
Yeah, that board was made after VIA stopped making decent chipsets. Can't do much about that, and not everything ABit made was good. Even a good manufacturer can make a board on a bad chipset. You look at both.
In crappy vs. good however, I suspect the issue is more to do with age & handling conditions, which is less of an issue with dried spices, which most people use at home.
If Iran did too good of a job in a counter attack, do you think the US would keep the confrontation just "cyber", or would it escalate? That's another of their considerations.
I've never seen and Intel board with an AMD socket, so assuming you run Intel exclusively.
Why would you have to run Intel exclusively? I have run Intel board machines with Intel CPUs, and nothing at all unpleasant happened to the AMDs on ASUS/ABIT/Gigabyte/Tyan's sitting nearby. Do they come out at night and eat the competators CPUs? Was I just lucky this didn't happen to me?
That 100 systems a year probably puts you over most of the posters here (including myself).
A thought - You might want to look at Tyan if you want a replacement for Intel. They are finicky as hell when it comes to compatible hardware (particularly memory/PSU), but if you stick to compatible stuff, they are very reliable, and the performance is pretty good too.
ASUS will give you slightly better performance and flexibility, but is *SLIGHTLY* less stable. Almost nobody will ever notice the difference. Intel, is going to be more stable, but you have a slight speed loss and not as much flexibility (i.e. O.C., available feature sets).
There are more reliable board than ASUS, that don't have the drawbacks of Intel, but they are generally much more expensive, and often not worth it, so I'm not sure if they'd detract from the 'best money can buy' statement...
Spices in the US are the same - as long as it's the same type (dried powder vs. dried powder, whole vs. whole), they are so regulated, it's pretty close to the same no matter what you get.
Some times, there is more money and effort spent in components and QA, in which case, "you get what you pay for" is a VERY safe bet.
I'd add Gigabyte to the list. Shame ABit isn't around, they made solid stuff too.
Tyan is also nice, but expensive and requires reading and only buying from the compatible parts list if you don't want it do die in a cloud of smoke... You get listed compatible parts, they work amazing. You don't, they go boom. I suspect their tolerances are much tighter than the industry standards - any anything outside of the range, but within industry standards, really ticks them off. However, it's a trade off, if you can keep withing tighter tolerances, you can usually stick to more consistent/better results.
*shrug* of the three, only MSI has every caused me stability issues. Nonetheless, if you are using it for a business, yeah, you want to be a lot more careful, but then agian, you will probably be buying a pre-built from a vendor at that point.
Generally, I've found with intel, is that they are very sensitive to RAM voltage, even if it seems the memory would fit - the i7 certified sounds rather silly. Anyway, do your research before buying any hardware to make sure it is listed as compatible.
The last MSI board I had seemed good, until I tried any two of: - Run a TV Tuner - Play an MMO - Transfer large files over the network (typically local, the internet usually couldn't send me a file fast enough to trigger the issue).
It seemed some combination of multiple high-memory and high-network applications could crash the thing like a charm. Swapped it out for an ASUS, and everything else was the same... Worked like a charm.
I've used a lot of MSI boards, and generally, they are very unstable. ASUS isn't bad - aside from ease of using their support going downhill, they tend to have solid builds. However, I could crash most of the MSIs I've had on demand, regardless of OS.
Intel boards (like, Tyan), can be picky, but as long as you do your research before you buy the board, and get compatible parts, or make sure you aren't buying it for a system with incompatible parts (typically memory or PSU, even if it fits and is from a usually-good-quality manufacturer, it may not be ideal), you get a solid system. I've never managed that with MSI.
That being said... I would use the most of MSI boards I have had in certain situations - because their crashes were quite predictable, and if I knew a computer's use case wouldn't trigger the crash - why not use it, it's cheap. However, there was one board I literally snapped in half so it wouldn't accidentally or intentionally get put in another machine.
Have you worked in "the trenches" in those sectors before.
(1) You may not be able to be fired for those reasons, but most employers can easily find other reasons to fire an employee. So there's still that fear. It doesn't happen/just/ in Corporate America. (2) Even if you aren't directly/indirectly reporting to a political figure, they still pull enough strings to make you worry, and they can still exert influence outside of the chain of command.
It's not a cut and dry situation. There are buffers, but none of them are perfect.
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Former is too slow and relies on power... Latter could work if set up right, although thermite on the storage unit would be better. No explosion, more damage to the target.
Funny, I was thinking more HP/Compaq... But they wanted "on command", where these would provide "Whenever the mood suits it"...
Generally the "don't spend my money"ers are actually "don't spend my money except on things that cause violent death"ers.
They're all for a huge bloated military.
That being said. W.T.F. I have to agree with the GP... What the hell kind of reason do they have firing, even blanks in public areas like this. If it wasn't very well marked all over the place "military training exercise", I sure as hell hope someone gets fired/jailed for this idiocy.
Yes... because in all but a few cases, the weaponry they so desire to protect, is not terribly useful against the military, and is better suited for harassing/abusing minimally defended/hardened targets, like unarmed civilians in medium-large numbers or similarly armed civilians in small numbers.
Find the time? It provided him with a way to avoid distractions while coming up with new absurd/asinine things to say on the international stage!
To be experts, you have to be convincing.
Iran usually isn't.
well, if you really want to go with that analogy...
More like the bully and that kid who had the funny smell that nobody wanted to hang around...
The bully and funny-smell kid were exchanging words - hard to say who started it at this point, and the bully escalates and starts throwing spitwads after the smelly kid threatens to go home and grab a lead pipe for "a school project".
The bully has several, and knows exactly what kind of projects those pipes are used for, after having 'dual-wielded' them on what is now one of his best friends.
Or a whole bunch of machines on a small scale. Traffice lights and elevators come to mind depending on how much of the systems rely on simple hard blocks for the dangerous things they can do, and how much is processed through the more complex systems.
I had a NF7S v2, and nothing crashed the thing, even with decent overclocking. Used a few others as well.
But yeah, that board was made after VIA stopped making decent chipsets. Can't do much about that, and not everything ABit made was good. Even a good manufacturer can make a board on a bad chipset. You look at both.
Heh, MSI and Soyo were my worst experiences, by far.
And I just replied to two different posts at once.
Fuck me, I need coffee.
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Yeah, that board was made after VIA stopped making decent chipsets. Can't do much about that, and not everything ABit made was good. Even a good manufacturer can make a board on a bad chipset. You look at both.
I guess I meant supermarket spices.
In crappy vs. good however, I suspect the issue is more to do with age & handling conditions, which is less of an issue with dried spices, which most people use at home.
I don't think they want the Media Industry Controlled States of America to nuke them. I don't blame them on that count.
Actually, depending on what kind of damage they can do to utilities and SCADA systems, people could very well die.
And...
If Iran did too good of a job in a counter attack, do you think the US would keep the confrontation just "cyber", or would it escalate? That's another of their considerations.
No thanks, it's chafe my willy, and probably give me a DTD (digitally transmitted disease).
Why would you have to run Intel exclusively? I have run Intel board machines with Intel CPUs, and nothing at all unpleasant happened to the AMDs on ASUS/ABIT/Gigabyte/Tyan's sitting nearby. Do they come out at night and eat the competators CPUs? Was I just lucky this didn't happen to me?
I'd have to agree.
That 100 systems a year probably puts you over most of the posters here (including myself).
A thought - You might want to look at Tyan if you want a replacement for Intel. They are finicky as hell when it comes to compatible hardware (particularly memory/PSU), but if you stick to compatible stuff, they are very reliable, and the performance is pretty good too.
My expericne:
ASUS will give you slightly better performance and flexibility, but is *SLIGHTLY* less stable. Almost nobody will ever notice the difference.
Intel, is going to be more stable, but you have a slight speed loss and not as much flexibility (i.e. O.C., available feature sets).
There are more reliable board than ASUS, that don't have the drawbacks of Intel, but they are generally much more expensive, and often not worth it, so I'm not sure if they'd detract from the 'best money can buy' statement...
Depends on the topic.
Spices in the US are the same - as long as it's the same type (dried powder vs. dried powder, whole vs. whole), they are so regulated, it's pretty close to the same no matter what you get.
Some times, there is more money and effort spent in components and QA, in which case, "you get what you pay for" is a VERY safe bet.
I'd add Gigabyte to the list. Shame ABit isn't around, they made solid stuff too.
Tyan is also nice, but expensive and requires reading and only buying from the compatible parts list if you don't want it do die in a cloud of smoke... You get listed compatible parts, they work amazing. You don't, they go boom. I suspect their tolerances are much tighter than the industry standards - any anything outside of the range, but within industry standards, really ticks them off. However, it's a trade off, if you can keep withing tighter tolerances, you can usually stick to more consistent/better results.
*shrug* of the three, only MSI has every caused me stability issues. Nonetheless, if you are using it for a business, yeah, you want to be a lot more careful, but then agian, you will probably be buying a pre-built from a vendor at that point.
Generally, I've found with intel, is that they are very sensitive to RAM voltage, even if it seems the memory would fit - the i7 certified sounds rather silly.
Anyway, do your research before buying any hardware to make sure it is listed as compatible.
The last MSI board I had seemed good, until I tried any two of:
- Run a TV Tuner
- Play an MMO
- Transfer large files over the network (typically local, the internet usually couldn't send me a file fast enough to trigger the issue).
It seemed some combination of multiple high-memory and high-network applications could crash the thing like a charm. Swapped it out for an ASUS, and everything else was the same... Worked like a charm.
I have to disagree.
I've used a lot of MSI boards, and generally, they are very unstable. ASUS isn't bad - aside from ease of using their support going downhill, they tend to have solid builds. However, I could crash most of the MSIs I've had on demand, regardless of OS.
Intel boards (like, Tyan), can be picky, but as long as you do your research before you buy the board, and get compatible parts, or make sure you aren't buying it for a system with incompatible parts (typically memory or PSU, even if it fits and is from a usually-good-quality manufacturer, it may not be ideal), you get a solid system. I've never managed that with MSI.
That being said... I would use the most of MSI boards I have had in certain situations - because their crashes were quite predictable, and if I knew a computer's use case wouldn't trigger the crash - why not use it, it's cheap. However, there was one board I literally snapped in half so it wouldn't accidentally or intentionally get put in another machine.
Have you worked in "the trenches" in those sectors before.
(1) You may not be able to be fired for those reasons, but most employers can easily find other reasons to fire an employee. So there's still that fear. It doesn't happen /just/ in Corporate America.
(2) Even if you aren't directly/indirectly reporting to a political figure, they still pull enough strings to make you worry, and they can still exert influence outside of the chain of command.
It's not a cut and dry situation. There are buffers, but none of them are perfect.