So how do you propose I should do some research on the nature of the web site, given that to gain any access at all requires creating an account, and that it is the concessions made when creating the account that is in question here?
You are (I assume) a citizen protected by a body of law. Try acting like one and asserting your rights instead of assuming someone else will.
I'm not sure what you want here. A "citizen" IMNSHO, would not expect the law to cover them where they themselves have failed in their due diligence.
Do you now see the problem with your point? We're not talking about people who genuinely care about privacy, we're talking about people who give lip service to privacy, but in fact, do not engage in even basic protective measures.
I have no issue with people who've had their privacy violated. I have a very big issue with people who hand out their information freely, or act like fools in public, then crow about privacy violations after the fact.
There are laws and legal precedence about using people's likenesses without their consent.
You're assuming they haven't given consent. What are the legal responsibilities regarding consent in cases like these? What have the users of such sites agreed to?
You're assuming they haven't already given their consent by signing up/commenting/agreeing to the terms of use. What makes you think the users haven't already agreed to this by agreeing to the terms of service for Facebook?
If it were so, you'd see celebrities...
Irrelevant and a terrible example. Address the users of these websites, not a contrived example that doesn't apply.
"It's exactly why I am the guy who quit Facebook almost as soon as I'd joined it."
You didn't do your research, and want to complain about it after the fact while taking no personal responsibility.
"Privacy" does not mean "free from the consequences of bad decisions". You are (I assume) an adult. Try acting like one and protecting your privacy instead of assuming someone else will.
"Would we be so quick to ascribe "good intentions" to the perpetrators of this travesty if they were foreigners?"
I think that depends entirely on what kind of "foreigners" they were. Obviously history and context matter. Despite the trolls who will rant otherwise, generally the US tries to help. The same cannot be said of all countries, so turning this into a black and white issue as you have is childish.
"It seems that the Golden Rule of the western media is that the bigger the crime, the more pure our intentions were."
Nonsense. The golden rule of ANY media is "get ratings". Your oversimplification of the issue just serves to reinforce GP's point.
Iraq is a hard problem, and the solution can't be easy. It discourages me that people such as yourself are so vocal in their ignorance.
"So if x kills y and y was preventing z, it's not x's fault that z happens?"
No.
"Not in the slightest?"
No. Welcome to adulthood.
"Let's take an analogy from Greek mythology."
Let's not. Analogies are for people who can't argue their point based on the facts of the issue at hand.
And having read your analogy, you're leaving out a crucial point. In your incredibly weak analogy, you would have to give the world self determination and will, so it could DECIDE to fall. Without it, your analogy is not at all applicable, as criminals DO have free will, and so will not automatically "fall" as the world does.
"If I get a posse together and we go and kill all the police in some town and then there's a big crime wave - well, me and my posse do bear some of the responsibility for the crime wave."
No, no you don't bear any responsibility at all.
Forgive me for being evolved past the point of needing police to check my actions. Forgive me for thinking that when one becomes an adult, one bears the full weight one's actions except in very specific circumstances.
The criminals bear responsibility. We're talking about human beings here, not animals. Removing police doesn't create a crime wave, decisions by criminals do. Removing police doesn't provoke a crime wave, decisions by criminals do.
Stop giving people a pass for being criminals just because you want to hate on the US.
"but I would bet that if your father was faced with the same set of circumstances today, he'd be fucked."
I doubt it. If he made his living working construction in the sun in the southwest, I doubt the current job climate would deter him. Keep thinking that, it makes it easier for you to hold on to your ridiculous assumptions.
"It's just my opinion that those of us who are fortunate in life are always one unfortunate circumstance away from being disadvantaged; and if/when that happens, I'd rather live in a society that looked at individuals situations objectively rather than issued a blanket statement on hard work and tough love."
You do live in such a society, unless you live in a third world country. If you're in the US, you most certainly do live in such a society.
"My "bleeding heart" precludes me from being an utter asshole."
And yet your post shows otherwise. No one suggested telling anyone to "fuck off" except you, which you did when your argument failed and you had to resort to a strawman to save face.
I wonder if your unrealistic view of the world is a result of the same cognitive disorder that causes you to ignore what I actually said and replace it with strawmen that have nothing at all to do with my statements...
"1,4-Butanediol is used industrially as a solvent and in the manufacture of some types of plastics and fibers. In organic chemistry, 1,4-butanediol is used for the synthesis of -butyrolactone (GBL)."
It is an extremely common ingredient in many industrial applications, which is why it's far cheaper and far more abundant than 1,5-pentanediol, which is what was supposed to be used.
Its uses include:
"Tetrahydrofuran (THF), 48 percent; polybutylene terephthalate (PBT) resins, 23 percent; gamma-butyrolactone (GBL), 21 percent; polyurethanes, 5 percent; miscellaneous, including uses as a solvent, a coating resin raw material, and an intermediate in chemical and pharmaceutical production, 3 percent."
I can't honestly tell if your post was facetious, but if it was, your sense of humor is awful and if it wasn't (as I suspect) your conspiracy theory fails like all the others in the light of factual information.
"They're just doing the same thing every other developed country did when they were churning out goods for others"
And that makes it ok how?
And what exactly, is your point? Do you think that acting like this happens everywhere (which is horseshit) matters in any way whatsoever? It's happening right now in China, your attempts at cultural relativism have no place in this discussion.
"The toy was supposed to contain the non-toxic chemical 1,5-pentanediol, but instead contains 1,4-butanediol, which is metabolised into the drug gamma-hydroxybutyric acid (GHB)."
"Tell that to the guy who busts his ass cleaning dishes all day because thats all he can do."
Since no such person exists, how would I do that?
"Does he deserve lesser care because blah blah excuses excuses, bleeding heart crap, blah blah"
No, he deserves lesser care because he has the ability to better his situation and doesn't. And people like you who make stupid excuses for people like "him" aren't making it any easier.
My dad dropped out of school in 7th grade, and worked his life as a contractor. He was by no definition "dealt the smart card" but he made a decent life for himself, and had health insurance the whole time I was growing up.
Your excuses are empty and unconvincing. If he wants it bad enough, he'll get it. If he doesn't, he'll rely on people like you to make stupid excuses for him.
"Unless you're a tall bodybuilder, you shouldn't weigh more than 200 lbs, ever."
I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. I'm 6 feet even, with well defined muscles, and I was an athlete in college. NO ONE would say I'm fat, by any definition of the word.
My weight, however, hovers around 205, simply because I carry a larger than average amount of muscle in my legs.
Ok how about a picture and a caption that says "Here is Jeff, my friend from (insert city) getting drunk and shortly before touching the bar maid and then getting thrown out into the street!"
Still not private information.
"You could never leave the house, not have any friends, and yell at strangers when they photograph you when you are forced to leave the house but the majority of people out there do things they'd rather not everyone else know about."
Please, you're still using the exact same debunked point. All you did was restate it, add a few veiled derogatory comments, and try it again.
"For example in the program I mentioned in my post they pitted a Atom against an American car which was in the same class(I forget which) the Atom won even though on paper the American car should have won"
I have every episode of Top Gear on file, and that never happened.
There are NO cars in the "same class as the Atom", it is an aberration that while performing well, is useless in comparisons like yours as IT HAS NO ROOF OR BODYWORK.
Slashdot Mirror
http://google.com/
There you go, type your question into the box, it'll give you results, which you can read to gain understanding.
Bullshit. That you even tried that line is ridiculous.
I'm not sure what you want here. A "citizen" IMNSHO, would not expect the law to cover them where they themselves have failed in their due diligence.
Do you now see the problem with your point? We're not talking about people who genuinely care about privacy, we're talking about people who give lip service to privacy, but in fact, do not engage in even basic protective measures.
I have no issue with people who've had their privacy violated. I have a very big issue with people who hand out their information freely, or act like fools in public, then crow about privacy violations after the fact.
You're assuming they haven't given consent. What are the legal responsibilities regarding consent in cases like these? What have the users of such sites agreed to?
You're assuming they haven't already given their consent by signing up/commenting/agreeing to the terms of use. What makes you think the users haven't already agreed to this by agreeing to the terms of service for Facebook?
Irrelevant and a terrible example. Address the users of these websites, not a contrived example that doesn't apply.
"It's exactly why I am the guy who quit Facebook almost as soon as I'd joined it."
You didn't do your research, and want to complain about it after the fact while taking no personal responsibility.
"Privacy" does not mean "free from the consequences of bad decisions". You are (I assume) an adult. Try acting like one and protecting your privacy instead of assuming someone else will.
How dare you interrupt the daily Slashdot circle-jerk of hyperbolic privacy ranting with FACTS!
You sir, are obviously a terrorist.
I think something that actually has to do with race and not food.
"I'm not saying it's OK."
No, you were looking for a convenient excuse to wedge your personal politics into a discussion where they don't belong.
"Would we be so quick to ascribe "good intentions" to the perpetrators of this travesty if they were foreigners?"
I think that depends entirely on what kind of "foreigners" they were. Obviously history and context matter. Despite the trolls who will rant otherwise, generally the US tries to help. The same cannot be said of all countries, so turning this into a black and white issue as you have is childish.
"It seems that the Golden Rule of the western media is that the bigger the crime, the more pure our intentions were."
Nonsense. The golden rule of ANY media is "get ratings". Your oversimplification of the issue just serves to reinforce GP's point.
Iraq is a hard problem, and the solution can't be easy. It discourages me that people such as yourself are so vocal in their ignorance.
"So if x kills y and y was preventing z, it's not x's fault that z happens?"
No.
"Not in the slightest?"
No. Welcome to adulthood.
"Let's take an analogy from Greek mythology."
Let's not. Analogies are for people who can't argue their point based on the facts of the issue at hand.
And having read your analogy, you're leaving out a crucial point. In your incredibly weak analogy, you would have to give the world self determination and will, so it could DECIDE to fall. Without it, your analogy is not at all applicable, as criminals DO have free will, and so will not automatically "fall" as the world does.
You analogy fails, and so does your point.
"Dubya and his lackeys won't admit it, but the Great Depression can happen again"
Please don't give your opinion on economics anymore, at least until it advances beyond what the average third grader could do.
"If I get a posse together and we go and kill all the police in some town and then there's a big crime wave - well, me and my posse do bear some of the responsibility for the crime wave."
No, no you don't bear any responsibility at all.
Forgive me for being evolved past the point of needing police to check my actions. Forgive me for thinking that when one becomes an adult, one bears the full weight one's actions except in very specific circumstances.
The criminals bear responsibility. We're talking about human beings here, not animals. Removing police doesn't create a crime wave, decisions by criminals do. Removing police doesn't provoke a crime wave, decisions by criminals do.
Stop giving people a pass for being criminals just because you want to hate on the US.
But I've fucking had it.
I love a good political rant as much as the next guy, but the ONLY mod for that guy is "offtopic".
Jesus Christ mods, do you even know what the hell the moderations you give actually mean?
"but I would bet that if your father was faced with the same set of circumstances today, he'd be fucked."
I doubt it. If he made his living working construction in the sun in the southwest, I doubt the current job climate would deter him. Keep thinking that, it makes it easier for you to hold on to your ridiculous assumptions.
"It's just my opinion that those of us who are fortunate in life are always one unfortunate circumstance away from being disadvantaged; and if/when that happens, I'd rather live in a society that looked at individuals situations objectively rather than issued a blanket statement on hard work and tough love."
You do live in such a society, unless you live in a third world country. If you're in the US, you most certainly do live in such a society.
"My "bleeding heart" precludes me from being an utter asshole."
And yet your post shows otherwise. No one suggested telling anyone to "fuck off" except you, which you did when your argument failed and you had to resort to a strawman to save face.
I wonder if your unrealistic view of the world is a result of the same cognitive disorder that causes you to ignore what I actually said and replace it with strawmen that have nothing at all to do with my statements...
Exactly, you just intimated one, which is all you people ever do, and is far worse.
I was right, you were trolling. I should have known better than to try and educate a troll.
It's not GHB, it's a precursor that metabolizes in the human body to produce effects similar to GHB, which is one of its minor metabolic products.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,4-butanediol
"1,4-Butanediol is used industrially as a solvent and in the manufacture of some types of plastics and fibers. In organic chemistry, 1,4-butanediol is used for the synthesis of -butyrolactone (GBL)."
It is an extremely common ingredient in many industrial applications, which is why it's far cheaper and far more abundant than 1,5-pentanediol, which is what was supposed to be used.
Its uses include:
"Tetrahydrofuran (THF), 48 percent; polybutylene terephthalate (PBT) resins, 23 percent; gamma-butyrolactone (GBL), 21 percent; polyurethanes, 5 percent; miscellaneous, including uses as a solvent, a coating resin raw material, and an intermediate in chemical and pharmaceutical production, 3 percent."
http://www.the-innovation-group.com/ChemProfiles/Butanediol,%201,4%20-.htm
I can't honestly tell if your post was facetious, but if it was, your sense of humor is awful and if it wasn't (as I suspect) your conspiracy theory fails like all the others in the light of factual information.
"They're just doing the same thing every other developed country did when they were churning out goods for others"
And that makes it ok how?
And what exactly, is your point? Do you think that acting like this happens everywhere (which is horseshit) matters in any way whatsoever? It's happening right now in China, your attempts at cultural relativism have no place in this discussion.
"The toy was supposed to contain the non-toxic chemical 1,5-pentanediol, but instead contains 1,4-butanediol, which is metabolised into the drug gamma-hydroxybutyric acid (GHB)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bindeez
It looks like it wasn't a design problem, but a manufacturing problem. So yes, you were missing something.
"Tell that to the guy who busts his ass cleaning dishes all day because thats all he can do."
Since no such person exists, how would I do that?
"Does he deserve lesser care because blah blah excuses excuses, bleeding heart crap, blah blah"
No, he deserves lesser care because he has the ability to better his situation and doesn't. And people like you who make stupid excuses for people like "him" aren't making it any easier.
My dad dropped out of school in 7th grade, and worked his life as a contractor. He was by no definition "dealt the smart card" but he made a decent life for himself, and had health insurance the whole time I was growing up.
Your excuses are empty and unconvincing. If he wants it bad enough, he'll get it. If he doesn't, he'll rely on people like you to make stupid excuses for him.
"What am I missing?"
Reading comprehension.
"Unless you're a tall bodybuilder, you shouldn't weigh more than 200 lbs, ever."
I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. I'm 6 feet even, with well defined muscles, and I was an athlete in college. NO ONE would say I'm fat, by any definition of the word.
My weight, however, hovers around 205, simply because I carry a larger than average amount of muscle in my legs.
Your declaration is just dumb.
"by Anonymous Coward... hacked in less than a month...I'd put money on it."
Way to step out on a limb there.
"Blame everyone else all you want, but that child was handed to you in a pristine state and you raised it."
Hereditary mental illness. Makes your post wrong. Abuse by caregivers outside the home. Makes your post wrong.
I could go on, but ultimately we both know you're running off at the mouth, with no real idea at all what you're talking about.
I would strongly suggest you keep your opinions about parenting to yourself, when you share them you sound profoundly ignorant.
Ok how about a picture and a caption that says "Here is Jeff, my friend from (insert city) getting drunk and shortly before touching the bar maid and then getting thrown out into the street!"
Still not private information.
"You could never leave the house, not have any friends, and yell at strangers when they photograph you when you are forced to leave the house but the majority of people out there do things they'd rather not everyone else know about."
Please, you're still using the exact same debunked point. All you did was restate it, add a few veiled derogatory comments, and try it again.
IT'S NOT PRIVATE INFORMATION.
Your point fails immediately.
Pictures of me are not "private information". That is an exceedingly weak rebuttal to a very lucid point.
You're reaching, and you're failing.
"For example in the program I mentioned in my post they pitted a Atom against an American car which was in the same class(I forget which) the Atom won even though on paper the American car should have won"
I have every episode of Top Gear on file, and that never happened.
There are NO cars in the "same class as the Atom", it is an aberration that while performing well, is useless in comparisons like yours as IT HAS NO ROOF OR BODYWORK.