I wonder if you read the entire conversation chain. Let's begin:
Midnight Thunder
Does anyone have a list of current networking hardware that is IPv6 ready? Specifically I am interested in any gateway/routers that support IPv6 out of the box, in the sub-$200 category.
I know about DD-WRT, but I don't want to have spend time hacking my router.
Anonymous Coward
That is the wrong question to be asking. Almost all new routers/switches support ipv6 out of the box, the question is how many of them support ipv6 in hardware at all. The answer to that question is undoubtedly a mcuh smaller set.
spinkham
For the home router segment, the traffic isn't high enough that it matters, and most of them don't support IPv6. Of course with IPv6 the home router is no longer important really as NAT will no longer be necessary, but it will still nice for Joe Clueless User to have a hardware firewall appliance anyway I guess...
you
Let me know when you've got completely secure gigabit wifi.
Let me know when you've got completely secure gigabit wifi.
a) WTF? b) IPSec + Kerberos goes a long way towards securing your network and the services on it. Being un-NATted allows you to use IPSec over the greater internet.:)
The problem is that distros like Ubuntu are deprecating Xinerama in favor of RandR.
It's not just the distros, the xorg folks are dropping xinerama, IIUC.
I specifically asked on the RandR mailing list if 1.3 would have support for multiple video cards and was told no.
Wow. That *really* sucks. I wonder when that's gonna get implemented...
(e.g., you open a window on one screen, and it ends up in the other X session)
Did you get a chance to file any bugs on the matter? Also, what WM were you using at the time? *has an old PCI nVidia card that he could drop in to exercise KDE 4.SVN*
...they should look at the electronic vote-rigging in the USA?
We know the machines have misreported votes.
I *know* that it has been proven that it is often trivial to get these machines to report false information. Do we know that they have done so during an election?
The president/CEO of Diebold promised to literally do everything in his power to "deliver" Ohio's electoral votes to GWB.
Actually, the quote is "[Diebold is] committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president." [0][1][2] Not that I don't think that Diebold is despicable, but it's a good thing to have discussions grounded in verifiable fact.:)
I don't have access to a Vista machine. I'll have to take your word for this.
This is a MANDATORY feature in a business setting...
...that MSFT just got around to shipping in 2007? I guess that businesses didn't use projectors in the dark days of Windows XP and Windows 2000?;) Regardless, I see the utility of this feature. The hooks to support it are implemented in any system whose X server supports XRandR 1.2. [0] I guess that it's not a sexy thing to work on, though, so not many folks have been working on frontends. I wonder how hard it would be to backport that feature from Vista to WinXP. Do you have any insight into this?
[0] It looks like most any distro that released after May 2008 will include this feature. [1] [1] Yes, I know. "Linux" is lagging behind WRT monitor configuration management. It used to lag behind WRT printer and wireless configuration management, too.:)
It seems that ASLR of some form or another has been enabled by default in Linux since 2.6.12. [0] Also, IUC compiling code with gcc's -PIE flag helps.
I have a PaX + grsecurity enabled server at home. It'd be *really* nice if the gdb folks could make debugging a possibility under that configuration. Not having stack traces or being able to set breakpoints [1] is a bitch!:)
Out of the box, when I connect my external DVI display (through the docking station), nothing happens. If I go through NVidia config utility, I can get it to work, but then when I undock, my main display (on the laptop) doesn't become the only one, and half of my icons and windows are "shown" on the invisible second display. You can fix this by writing some scripts. My point is, I shouldn't have to.
This happens automagically on Windows? Weird. I've never seen this handled automagically with my AGP Radeon x850 when running under Windows. I've always had to manually "start" and "stop" the monitor.
1. Fully and legally support bytecode interpreter and hinting for fonts. Bonus points for including decent fonts as well.
Isn't this what Freetype is all about?
2. Support all major audio and video codecs. I shouldn't have to break any laws to get support for my digital media. Bonus points for not having to buy another codec pack when I upgrade my OS.
3. Support multi-monitor automatically when I connect a monitor (like Mac or Windows).
The backend support is there. You can do xrandr --auto whenever you add or remove a monitor. I fail to understand why none has made a GUI frontend to the xrandr command line. (This is a pet peeve of mine.)
4. Work well on laptops. I should not see error messages about my hard drive failing to soft-reset every time I wake my laptop up from sleep.
Please permit me to reply with something just as useful as your original complaint:
Re: 3, RandR,... currently doesn't support multiple GPUs. So basically, if you have more than 2 monitors on Linux, you're screwed.
You can manually setup a Screen for each display adaptor in your xorg.conf. If your video card driver supports Xinerama, enable that as well, and you're good to go. If it doesn't, it's up to your Window Manager to support moving windows from one Screen to another. (The odds are low that you have one that does.)
Also, XRandR 1.3 will allow CRTCs on multiple video cards to be combined into a single Screen. [0] It was supposed to be released in April of last year. Who knows what the current schedule is, though? [0]
If I want to get at a Windows user's address book, I'll use MAPI.
Unless your Windows user is using Thunderbird. (Or one of the "million" other mail applications that are sure to have broken MAPI support.) http://kb.mozillazine.org/MAPI_Support
Would it also be bad to suggest that they at least use the same gui toolkit?
It wouldn't too bad, iffin the difference between GTK and QT were just the look of the widgets.
It keeps my poor linux desktop looking sad and unprofessional
I've never understood this point of view. Don't we have work to do? How anal are we that we feel the need to be spending time worrying about the differences between one app's default widgets and file dialog boxes and another's?:)
As there is no reason to save the receipt for software purchase...
Looks like there *is* a reason to keep that receipt, after all.
This comes after purchasing a few games that became unusable after a few weeks (or less than a day) with errors about invalid serial numbers.
Did you pay with a check or credit/debit card? If so, you don't need a receipt for these purchases, your financial institution keeps all the paperwork. Regardless, don't they have consumer protection laws in Canada? If this happened to me in the States, I'd ask my bank to refund my money.
or if single player games require a handshake with some server system before use.
*shrug* The handshake is a one-time thing. Yes, it's invasive. Yes, it's a bit of a pain. Frankly, I don't really care.
...which would limit their lifespan...
Folks talk about wanting to be able to play their video game that they purchased ten years ago. IME, if you've been updating Windows periodically, and upgrading when the previous versions become unsupported, it's a tossup as to whether or not the game will function correctly.
Sure, just take the labels off the behaviors you judge as such.
No amount of relabelling will change the horror that is the child-driven society of Middle and Junior High School. Children are naturally brutal, selfish, and quick to anger. As a group, they lack compassion and empathy. There's a good reason for assigning Lord of The Flies in seventh grade. It's a real shame that that reason sails over the heads of almost every seventh grader. So much heartache and misery could be avoided if the brighter school-age children could be made to understand that this world that they and their peers have created is wholly unlike and vastly inferior to the world that most of us adults inhabit.
I think that judging someone as "selfish" implies a choice or at least capacity for them to act differently.
I would argue that there are many among us would would not have "developed" out of the egocentricity of their twos and threes had they not been forcefully [1] and repeatedly shown that there is more to the world than their rapidly expanding sense of self.
As a counterpoint to this:
I think that judging someone as "selfish" implies a choice or at least capacity for them to act differently.
How are we to treat the murderous psychopath? She has no choice but to harm and kill. What are we to think of her? What labels shall we apply?:)
...monkeys, insects, hell even bacteria understand the notion:
*Two of these things are not like the other. Two of these things just do not belong.*
but the fanatical altruists, and the organically asexual: we are talking about classes of psychology that are firmly and permanently in the minority, and have no hope to influence the majority.
Are you so sure about that? I would argue that we've been making headway for the past couple thousand years or so.:)
Not only that, it's technologically trivial. Valve controls their DRM scheme. I can think of no reason why they wouldn't keep it up to date in all of their centrally-managed games. Moreover, bankruptcies don't happen overnight. Valve would have time to break out the digital bug-out bag. But, even if the bankruptcy crept up on them, I can think of no technological reason why you couldn't get the job done by giving some code monkey two days worth of pizza and overtime.
*Actually*, he could sell his account credentials. Is he selling every game he ever purchased with that account? Yes. Does this violate the Steam ToS? I don't think so.
I guess my real question is: if Valve goes down, can I still play?
If Valve removes the DRM on the software that you paid for then yes. Otherwise, if you saved your credentials at least once, then yes. You can do LAN play while offline.(Don't complain to me about how this is not the same as Internet play. Look at what happened to Moonbase Commander or xbconnect for a vision of how this would play out.):)
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Did you read what I replied to ?
I wonder if you read the entire conversation chain. Let's begin:
Midnight Thunder
Does anyone have a list of current networking hardware that is IPv6 ready? Specifically I am interested in any gateway/routers that support IPv6 out of the box, in the sub-$200 category.
I know about DD-WRT, but I don't want to have spend time hacking my router.
Anonymous Coward
That is the wrong question to be asking. Almost all new routers/switches support ipv6 out of the box, the question is how many of them support ipv6 in hardware at all. The answer to that question is undoubtedly a mcuh smaller set.
spinkham
For the home router segment, the traffic isn't high enough that it matters, and most of them don't support IPv6.
Of course with IPv6 the home router is no longer important really as NAT will no longer be necessary, but it will still nice for Joe Clueless User to have a hardware firewall appliance anyway I guess...
you
Let me know when you've got completely secure gigabit wifi.
Do you see why we're a little bit confused?
I caught the Facebook once. It wasn't pleasant.
I had the joy today of trying to use OO to ... These issues might be PEBKAC...
Please allow me to reply with a comment that is a content-free as your original post:
Works for me!
Because in raw processing power, Java is actually the most performant VM,
Cite?
Let me know when you've got completely secure gigabit wifi.
a) WTF? :)
b) IPSec + Kerberos goes a long way towards securing your network and the services on it. Being un-NATted allows you to use IPSec over the greater internet.
The problem is that distros like Ubuntu are deprecating Xinerama in favor of RandR.
It's not just the distros, the xorg folks are dropping xinerama, IIUC.
I specifically asked on the RandR mailing list if 1.3 would have support for multiple video cards and was told no.
Wow. That *really* sucks. I wonder when that's gonna get implemented...
(e.g., you open a window on one screen, and it ends up in the other X session)
Did you get a chance to file any bugs on the matter? Also, what WM were you using at the time?
*has an old PCI nVidia card that he could drop in to exercise KDE 4.SVN*
...they should look at the electronic vote-rigging in the USA?
We know the machines have misreported votes.
I *know* that it has been proven that it is often trivial to get these machines to report false information. Do we know that they have done so during an election?
The president/CEO of Diebold promised to literally do everything in his power to "deliver" Ohio's electoral votes to GWB.
Actually, the quote is "[Diebold is] committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president." [0][1][2] Not that I don't think that Diebold is despicable, but it's a good thing to have discussions grounded in verifiable fact. :)
[0] http://money.cnn.com/2004/08/30/technology/election_diebold/
[1] http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/12/politics/campaign/12vote.html
[2] http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm
Try it in Vista and see for yourself.
I don't have access to a Vista machine. I'll have to take your word for this.
This is a MANDATORY feature in a business setting...
...that MSFT just got around to shipping in 2007? I guess that businesses didn't use projectors in the dark days of Windows XP and Windows 2000? ;)
Regardless, I see the utility of this feature. The hooks to support it are implemented in any system whose X server supports XRandR 1.2. [0] I guess that it's not a sexy thing to work on, though, so not many folks have been working on frontends.
I wonder how hard it would be to backport that feature from Vista to WinXP. Do you have any insight into this?
[0] It looks like most any distro that released after May 2008 will include this feature. [1] :)
[1] Yes, I know. "Linux" is lagging behind WRT monitor configuration management. It used to lag behind WRT printer and wireless configuration management, too.
Er, make that -fPIE. Proofreading FTL.
It seems that ASLR of some form or another has been enabled by default in Linux since 2.6.12. [0] Also, IUC compiling code with gcc's -PIE flag helps.
I have a PaX + grsecurity enabled server at home. It'd be *really* nice if the gdb folks could make debugging a possibility under that configuration. Not having stack traces or being able to set breakpoints [1] is a bitch! :)
[0] http://www.nabble.com/Edgy-and-Proactive-Security-td4695373.html
[1] Not being able to set breakpoints is probably something that I can fix with a little Googling.
Out of the box, when I connect my external DVI display (through the docking station), nothing happens. If I go through NVidia config utility, I can get it to work, but then when I undock, my main display (on the laptop) doesn't become the only one, and half of my icons and windows are "shown" on the invisible second display. You can fix this by writing some scripts. My point is, I shouldn't have to.
This happens automagically on Windows? Weird. I've never seen this handled automagically with my AGP Radeon x850 when running under Windows. I've always had to manually "start" and "stop" the monitor.
1. Fully and legally support bytecode interpreter and hinting for fonts. Bonus points for including decent fonts as well.
Isn't this what Freetype is all about?
2. Support all major audio and video codecs. I shouldn't have to break any laws to get support for my digital media. Bonus points for not having to buy another codec pack when I upgrade my OS.
Canonical (the money behind Ubuntu) does this:
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/19/166230
http://ostatic.com/blog/canonical-opens-codec-sales-and-potential-can-of-worms#rss
http://blog.canonical.com/?p=37
I believe that Fedora has done this in the past for Mp3s. I think that Linspire/Xandros has done this in the past.
3. Support multi-monitor automatically when I connect a monitor (like Mac or Windows).
The backend support is there. You can do xrandr --auto whenever you add or remove a monitor. I fail to understand why none has made a GUI frontend to the xrandr command line. (This is a pet peeve of mine.)
4. Work well on laptops. I should not see error messages about my hard drive failing to soft-reset every time I wake my laptop up from sleep.
Please permit me to reply with something just as useful as your original complaint:
Works for me.
Re: 3, RandR, ... currently doesn't support multiple GPUs. So basically, if you have more than 2 monitors on Linux, you're screwed.
You can manually setup a Screen for each display adaptor in your xorg.conf. If your video card driver supports Xinerama, enable that as well, and you're good to go. If it doesn't, it's up to your Window Manager to support moving windows from one Screen to another. (The odds are low that you have one that does.)
Also, XRandR 1.3 will allow CRTCs on multiple video cards to be combined into a single Screen. [0] It was supposed to be released in April of last year. Who knows what the current schedule is, though? [0]
[0] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjI5OA [1] :)
[1] Yes, I know... its Phoronix. Not *everything* that they publish is sensationalist tripe!
If I want to get at a Windows user's address book, I'll use MAPI.
Unless your Windows user is using Thunderbird. (Or one of the "million" other mail applications that are sure to have broken MAPI support.)
http://kb.mozillazine.org/MAPI_Support
Would it also be bad to suggest that they at least use the same gui toolkit?
It wouldn't too bad, iffin the difference between GTK and QT were just the look of the widgets.
It keeps my poor linux desktop looking sad and unprofessional
I've never understood this point of view. Don't we have work to do? How anal are we that we feel the need to be spending time worrying about the differences between one app's default widgets and file dialog boxes and another's? :)
Please record and post video. If the OP's claims are true, this is seriously fucked.
As there is no reason to save the receipt for software purchase...
Looks like there *is* a reason to keep that receipt, after all.
This comes after purchasing a few games that became unusable after a few weeks (or less than a day) with errors about invalid serial numbers.
Did you pay with a check or credit/debit card? If so, you don't need a receipt for these purchases, your financial institution keeps all the paperwork. Regardless, don't they have consumer protection laws in Canada? If this happened to me in the States, I'd ask my bank to refund my money.
or if single player games require a handshake with some server system before use.
*shrug* The handshake is a one-time thing. Yes, it's invasive. Yes, it's a bit of a pain. Frankly, I don't really care.
...which would limit their lifespan...
Folks talk about wanting to be able to play their video game that they purchased ten years ago. IME, if you've been updating Windows periodically, and upgrading when the previous versions become unsupported, it's a tossup as to whether or not the game will function correctly.
Sure, just take the labels off the behaviors you judge as such.
No amount of relabelling will change the horror that is the child-driven society of Middle and Junior High School. Children are naturally brutal, selfish, and quick to anger. As a group, they lack compassion and empathy.
There's a good reason for assigning Lord of The Flies in seventh grade. It's a real shame that that reason sails over the heads of almost every seventh grader. So much heartache and misery could be avoided if the brighter school-age children could be made to understand that this world that they and their peers have created is wholly unlike and vastly inferior to the world that most of us adults inhabit.
If you get 10 leashes for being late to work would that be OK?
That depends. Are they leather? (rrrowr!)
I think that judging someone as "selfish" implies a choice or at least capacity for them to act differently.
I would argue that there are many among us would would not have "developed" out of the egocentricity of their twos and threes had they not been forcefully [1] and repeatedly shown that there is more to the world than their rapidly expanding sense of self.
As a counterpoint to this:
I think that judging someone as "selfish" implies a choice or at least capacity for them to act differently.
How are we to treat the murderous psychopath? She has no choice but to harm and kill. What are we to think of her? What labels shall we apply? :)
[1] force != violence
I am thinking in terms of what the BIOS perceives as the MBR for your GRUB install.
I don't understand. Could you please explain in more detail?
Thanks for the reply!
...monkeys, insects, hell even bacteria understand the notion:
*Two of these things are not like the other. Two of these things just do not belong.*
but the fanatical altruists, and the organically asexual: we are talking about classes of psychology that are firmly and permanently in the minority, and have no hope to influence the majority.
Are you so sure about that? I would argue that we've been making headway for the past couple thousand years or so. :)
Theoretically possible...
Not only that, it's technologically trivial. Valve controls their DRM scheme. I can think of no reason why they wouldn't keep it up to date in all of their centrally-managed games. Moreover, bankruptcies don't happen overnight. Valve would have time to break out the digital bug-out bag. But, even if the bankruptcy crept up on them, I can think of no technological reason why you couldn't get the job done by giving some code monkey two days worth of pizza and overtime.
*Actually*, he could sell his account credentials. Is he selling every game he ever purchased with that account? Yes. Does this violate the Steam ToS? I don't think so.
I guess my real question is: if Valve goes down, can I still play?
If Valve removes the DRM on the software that you paid for then yes. :)
Otherwise, if you saved your credentials at least once, then yes. You can do LAN play while offline.(Don't complain to me about how this is not the same as Internet play. Look at what happened to Moonbase Commander or xbconnect for a vision of how this would play out.)