Grafitti-style HWR, only much more flexible... and Natural HWR is in alpha-test, and might be available in the launch version. If not, it should be a simple matter of DLing it, and adding it to the phone.
The keyboard can be detached, and the phone/PDA used without it, and no, it doesn't have any cables, the connection is in the hinges.
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Actually, GSM rules:) But then again, I don't pay my own bills, so that might have something to do with it:)
Any yes, we're WAAAY off topic:)
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But just call a Belgian GSM-number walking around in Germany from Belgium..
Unless you have one strange mobile operator, that would cost you only as much as a ormal call to another GSM would cost. The person doing the crying would be the guy you called, since HE would get the charges from Belgium to Germany, while you would only pay the cost of the on-net call.
And if your operator charges YOU for the connection fee to Germany the you should
1) Change your operator 2) Report the old one to GSMoU. That's not allowed according to the GSM convention:)
But the trash Hollywood puts out IS the way most people see the US - atleast those that do not have anything other to judge you by. Therefore, Katz is NOT the biggest moron on Earth - the people that think that "anything goes, it's just a movie" are.
And - just to cheer you up - not everyone hates you. I think there's a tribe of Romianian Gipsies that haven't made their mind up yet. But otherwise, for the rest of the EU, you're right up there with Israel:)
And, I'm really not sure. From whattt reembe of my own VisorPhone, it was 900/1900 which effectively makes it usefull in US and in Europe. I don't see why anyone would change that.
On the other hand, why the hell make two different products? My SonyEricsson T68i works on 900, 1800, 1900 and eGSM bands, and it's smaller (WAY smaller;) than a Visorphone.
Now imagine a continent with about 65% mobile phone penetration, spotty handsfree laws, 90% stick shift cars, high alcohol tolerance levels, and three times as many people as the US.
Welcome to europe:) Where we ie young so that we make nice (while mangled) corpses!:))
Yes, thankyou, but I still don't know which measurment scale is used:) A person with an IQ of 153 on Cattel has an IQ of "only" 135 on Stanford-Binet;)
And, many thanks for the -1 moderaton. I think i'll go off and cry in a corner;)
As opposed to trailor trash that can't hold a tought any longer than a golfish?:)
Come now, get off the "US supremacy" bandwagon, and give the Europeans a chance. After all, we are descendants of the people they didn't really want over there - so they seem to have some sense;)
And, as far as worthwile maps go - be free to check with any Merkin that has ever been to that part of the world (and better yet, specifically to Slovenia). I'm sure that you would get no coment other than "great", "wonderfull", "when can I go back", "those fuckers are so rich", and similar things.
Let's not diss people you've never met, and don't know the first thing about.
But then again, it's easy to do if you're living in a trailor and posting as an anonymous coward... right?
You know.. umm.. actually.. you can take it ANYWHERE in Europe. And that ANYWHERE is litteraly ANYWHERE.
The point here is that most countries have at least two overlapping GSM operators that compete for the same market, and it makes them work very, very hard. Now, I belive that Slovenia (which most of the US probably thinks is a buttfuck country somewhere between madeconia and Kosovo) has 65% of mobile penetration and 99% coverage;)
And, while most of this (70%) is pre-pay, there's a definite interest from the manufacturers to provide us with the new tech forst, since the average phone-cycle time is one year.
Now, if you're looking for proof - go to the GSM Union page and check out the coverage maps of the operators. They're pretty much correct.
FIRST POST!
Pol pa svizec zavije cokolado v folijo!
(Translation:
And the the hedgehog wraps the chocolate into aluminum foil )
You really should be slovenian to get the joke, but let's just say it's froma commecrcial for - chocolate, one that includes hedgehogs wrapping chocolate into aluminum foil and a geeky guy explaining that to a girl in a supermarket.
As I said, you need to be slovenian to get it;)
Sorry... I'm trolling, I know.
Um, while I might be ruining a perfectly good marriage here, I'm forced to translate this sentence and hope, that your wife didn't say that to your mother, and told her and you that it was the slovenian way of saying hello.
Basically, what is means is "You damned old woman" - and that's a slightly too literal of a translation.
Call me if you need help in finding a good divorce lawyer.
Dave
While his wife was pretty thrilled abou him surviving, it is, indeed irresponsible of him. But then again, we're a nation of crazy ppl. Our mountain climbers climb the craziest mountain (read: Dahlaughiri or what ever the name was), so we're used to our climbers not coming back.
But, my heart goes out to the family of my late countryman.
Yeah, 451 is a good book - some European states have it as a part of their required reading list in High School - mine among them. The thing that scared me the most in it was the analogy one can draw from it - i don't seriousley expect that anyone will start burning books today, but i can certainly see a future where - excuse the "hackers manifesto"-like sound - information will be treated much the same as books were in 451. Oh, and, if you don't wanto to read the book, there's an old (1970 or so) movie made after it. It's pretty antique compared to today, but it DOES get the message acroos... Have fun, and watch those books;) Dave
Erm.. WRONG:) That phone is as real as you or me... OUTSIDE the Matrix:) Okay, enough joking. That's a honest-to-god Nokia 8110, which is (WAS) a European GSM phone. It was phased out of production something like 12 months ago. Now, for some immensly odd reason i can't seem to find it on the Nokia website, but, trust me, it's a real phone... just move to Europe, and you can get a slightly used one for something like 20$;) David
We Europeans finally beat the cr*** out of you in something:) Okay, to the point: It's really much easyer to get a phone and a subscription on europe, since almost any provider will give you discounts to sign up with them. Be it a phone for 10$ (and not some junk, try a Nokia 3210 or some such), free call time, no setup charge... take a pick.
Now, i just looked at the Nextel site, and there's a banner saying "You pick up the call, we pick up the tab" - now that's just plain unheardof over on this side of the Atlantic. Calls to cell-phones are free, and Slovenia (my little country) has it's cheapest minute of cell conversation at something like 5 cents:) But, of course, 1/2 the country has a cell phone:)...
Now, let's assume this: you want a cell phone, BUT... you don't want to pay the monthly rates? NO PROBLEM:) Pop into any old store or gas station, shell out 100$ and walk away with a Nokia 5110 and a perpaid "account" - and be completly anonymous. You can use the phone, get calls on the phone, but neither the operator nor anyone else knows who's using the phone. There's of course the bomus of registering the phone, one that gives you 50$ of free calls:)
Anyone that's drooling - STOP IT!:) If you want to see what an actuall cellular service provider look in Europe, take a look at www.simobil.com:) Now for the hillarious bit: All new prepaid customers that register untill sometime in march are going to be in a draw for a trip to New York. Gees I hope they get substitute phones;)
---- Ericsson i888. OKay, it's ugly. But it's got IR modem and GSM 900/1900 coverage. It just - works. David
If you're going to buy stuff... Then i suggest you go to one of the UK GSM providers (it beas me which ones are 900, i know Orange isn't tough), get an ericsson i888 for something like 20 GBP with a new contract, find (borrow) a Psion Series 5 or 5mx (there's a large UK online retailer with excellent prices), align the IR ports, and you're off... This is _not_ the cheapest solution (you'll have to pay extra for the roaming costs), tough your calls will NOT cost you US-uk-US rates but only the local mobile provider rates! I've done this myself several times, and it works out fine if you can limit yourself to access in medium-sized cities+. Bowman
NO!! Anything but a Nino! Phillips shopped manufacturing them, and told Microsoft where to go stick his WinCE license... If you want a PDA, buy one from the people that are a part of Symbian. I myself would recommend a Psion REVO (best of Comdex 99') if you're a keyborad man, or a Pilot IIIx. Dave
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I think you have the wrong map. Europe isn't on the same one as Washington DC you know.
Yo? Brainless 'Merkin redneck?
Ever see a map?
It doesn't say "Here there be Dragons" on the other side of the oceans does it?
Grafitti-style HWR, only much more flexible... and Natural HWR is in alpha-test, and might be available in the launch version. If not, it should be a simple matter of DLing it, and adding it to the phone.
Altough, the pen/pointer thing suxs...
They... umm.. don't need to :))
:)
Nokia announced 7650 months before SonyErisccon managed to get the (then HIGHLY prototypical) P800 out
The keyboard can be detached, and the phone/PDA used without it, and no, it doesn't have any cables, the connection is in the hinges.
Actually, GSM rules :) But then again, I don't pay my own bills, so that might have something to do with it :)
:)
Any yes, we're WAAAY off topic
But just call a Belgian GSM-number walking around in Germany from Belgium..
:)
Unless you have one strange mobile operator, that would cost you only as much as a ormal call to another GSM would cost. The person doing the crying would be the guy you called, since HE would get the charges from Belgium to Germany, while you would only pay the cost of the on-net call.
And if your operator charges YOU for the connection fee to Germany the you should
1) Change your operator
2) Report the old one to GSMoU. That's not allowed according to the GSM convention
Sorry man...
:)
But the trash Hollywood puts out IS the way most people see the US - atleast those that do not have anything other to judge you by. Therefore, Katz is NOT the biggest moron on Earth - the people that think that "anything goes, it's just a movie" are.
And - just to cheer you up - not everyone hates you. I think there's a tribe of Romianian Gipsies that haven't made their mind up yet. But otherwise, for the rest of the EU, you're right up there with Israel
That would be 900/1800 MHz for Europe.
;) than a Visorphone.
And, I'm really not sure. From whattt reembe of my own VisorPhone, it was 900/1900 which effectively makes it usefull in US and in Europe. I don't see why anyone would change that.
On the other hand, why the hell make two different products? My SonyEricsson T68i works on 900, 1800, 1900 and eGSM bands, and it's smaller (WAY smaller
There's just one problem with what would otherwise be a killer phone.
:)
NO DAMN GPRS
Now imagine a continent with about 65% mobile phone penetration, spotty handsfree laws, 90% stick shift cars, high alcohol tolerance levels, and three times as many people as the US.
:) Where we ie young so that we make nice (while mangled) corpses! :))
Welcome to europe
UGH, 2+1? Any they sell this in Europe? :)
:)
With all GPRS phones for sale here, it works at 3+1, 4+1 is available for some phones, as is 2+2, and 5+1 is hitting the market next month...
Sorry Handspring, that won't do
Yes, thankyou, but I still don't know which measurment scale is used :) A person with an IQ of 153 on Cattel has an IQ of "only" 135 on Stanford-Binet ;)
;)
And, many thanks for the -1 moderaton. I think i'll go off and cry in a corner
Is thi IQ measured using the Cattel scale or the Stanford-Binet scale? :P
No, actually, being rude, obnoxious and ignorant is EXACTLY the reason you got attacked.
As opposed to trailor trash that can't hold a tought any longer than a golfish? :)
;)
Come now, get off the "US supremacy" bandwagon, and give the Europeans a chance. After all, we are descendants of the people they didn't really want over there - so they seem to have some sense
And, as far as worthwile maps go - be free to check with any Merkin that has ever been to that part of the world (and better yet, specifically to Slovenia). I'm sure that you would get no coment other than "great", "wonderfull", "when can I go back", "those fuckers are so rich", and similar things.
Let's not diss people you've never met, and don't know the first thing about.
But then again, it's easy to do if you're living in a trailor and posting as an anonymous coward... right?
The point here is that most countries have at least two overlapping GSM operators that compete for the same market, and it makes them work very, very hard. Now, I belive that Slovenia (which most of the US probably thinks is a buttfuck country somewhere between madeconia and Kosovo) has 65% of mobile penetration and 99% coverage ;)
And, while most of this (70%) is pre-pay, there's a definite interest from the manufacturers to provide us with the new tech forst, since the average phone-cycle time is one year.
Now, if you're looking for proof - go to the GSM Union page and check out the coverage maps of the operators. They're pretty much correct.
FIRST POST! Pol pa svizec zavije cokolado v folijo! (Translation: And the the hedgehog wraps the chocolate into aluminum foil ) You really should be slovenian to get the joke, but let's just say it's froma commecrcial for - chocolate, one that includes hedgehogs wrapping chocolate into aluminum foil and a geeky guy explaining that to a girl in a supermarket. As I said, you need to be slovenian to get it ;)
Sorry... I'm trolling, I know.
Um, while I might be ruining a perfectly good marriage here, I'm forced to translate this sentence and hope, that your wife didn't say that to your mother, and told her and you that it was the slovenian way of saying hello. Basically, what is means is "You damned old woman" - and that's a slightly too literal of a translation. Call me if you need help in finding a good divorce lawyer. Dave
While his wife was pretty thrilled abou him surviving, it is, indeed irresponsible of him. But then again, we're a nation of crazy ppl. Our mountain climbers climb the craziest mountain (read: Dahlaughiri or what ever the name was), so we're used to our climbers not coming back. But, my heart goes out to the family of my late countryman.
Yeah, 451 is a good book - some European states have it as a part of their required reading list in High School - mine among them. The thing that scared me the most in it was the analogy one can draw from it - i don't seriousley expect that anyone will start burning books today, but i can certainly see a future where - excuse the "hackers manifesto"-like sound - information will be treated much the same as books were in 451. Oh, and, if you don't wanto to read the book, there's an old (1970 or so) movie made after it. It's pretty antique compared to today, but it DOES get the message acroos... Have fun, and watch those books ;) Dave
Erm.. WRONG :) That phone is as real as you or me... OUTSIDE the Matrix :) Okay, enough joking. That's a honest-to-god Nokia 8110, which is (WAS) a European GSM phone. It was phased out of production something like 12 months ago. Now, for some immensly odd reason i can't seem to find it on the Nokia website, but, trust me, it's a real phone... just move to Europe, and you can get a slightly used one for something like 20$ ;) David
Now, i just looked at the Nextel site, and there's a banner saying "You pick up the call, we pick up the tab" - now that's just plain unheardof over on this side of the Atlantic. Calls to cell-phones are free, and Slovenia (my little country) has it's cheapest minute of cell conversation at something like 5 cents :) But, of course, 1/2 the country has a cell phone :)...
Now, let's assume this: you want a cell phone, BUT... you don't want to pay the monthly rates? NO PROBLEM :) Pop into any old store or gas station, shell out 100$ and walk away with a Nokia 5110 and a perpaid "account" - and be completly anonymous. You can use the phone, get calls on the phone, but neither the operator nor anyone else knows who's using the phone. There's of course the bomus of registering the phone, one that gives you 50$ of free calls :)
Anyone that's drooling - STOP IT! :) If you want to see what an actuall cellular service provider look in Europe, take a look at www.simobil.com :) ;)
Now for the hillarious bit: All new prepaid customers that register untill sometime in march are going to be in a draw for a trip to New York. Gees I hope they get substitute phones
---- Ericsson i888. OKay, it's ugly. But it's got IR modem and GSM 900/1900 coverage. It just - works. David
If you're going to buy stuff... Then i suggest you go to one of the UK GSM providers (it beas me which ones are 900, i know Orange isn't tough), get an ericsson i888 for something like 20 GBP with a new contract, find (borrow) a Psion Series 5 or 5mx (there's a large UK online retailer with excellent prices), align the IR ports, and you're off... This is _not_ the cheapest solution (you'll have to pay extra for the roaming costs), tough your calls will NOT cost you US-uk-US rates but only the local mobile provider rates! I've done this myself several times, and it works out fine if you can limit yourself to access in medium-sized cities+. Bowman
NO!! Anything but a Nino! Phillips shopped manufacturing them, and told Microsoft where to go stick his WinCE license... If you want a PDA, buy one from the people that are a part of Symbian. I myself would recommend a Psion REVO (best of Comdex 99') if you're a keyborad man, or a Pilot IIIx. Dave