There seems to be this assumption that because it's more english-like, that it is more readable and easier to code. Having looked at their coding samples (which are mostly made up of put (i.e., print) statements), I am not at all convinced. Looks like a bunch of bullshit to me. But in the end, even if I grant that it's intuitive, most humans just aren't logical enough to code. I've actually met people who cannot grasp a simple for loop. No, I'm not kidding.
It actually has nothing to do with lacking the technology to solve the problem, as you imply. The ACE was both fully aware of the problem and knew how to fix the problem. The real issue was simply an issue of funding: there was none. Now if the Dutch and Japanese have some kind of technology for imparting common sense in politicians, you might be right. However, I'm guessing they don't.
Actually there are many. If you work your google noodle you can find it pretty easily. The US government is actually one of the least trustworthy in the western world.
rofl...what CPU are you working with that spikes when you have a list over 100 items? I hate to tell you this, but most development is for standard business apps. These scenarios you're dreaming up just don't happen. I've been in this industry for over 20 years, and it's just not an issue. Even if it does happen, it's not that hard to google algorithms that get the job done. It's not like they are a secret.
As for teaching how to write release-quality code being something that happens naturally over time like muscle memory...not on my planet. I work with people who have comp sci degrees and on virtually every gig I run into ones who can't design their way out of a paper bag. Nobody ever taught them how to do it or even why they should care. Yes, there are some who learn it over time but it's not a secret mystery that works for only one language. It's clear to me that learning algorithms doesn't impart any ability whatsoever to write quality code.
In regards to your language argument, I'll pretend for a second that schools aren't teaching Java when most of the work out there is for Java, just to make your argument more plausible. The truth is that the design and quality skills you learn for Java apply to any other statically typed OO language. Same holds for general OO concepts which graduates notoriously bad at. Unless they get on a team with good OO people, they will carry bad habits throughout their career.
Well, in the US, that's the nature of the entire government. Politicians are beholden to the special interests that pay to get them elected. So guess who they are working for.
I agree, and to this point, I have no degree and learned how to write sorts, hash tables, and linked lists all on my own. I'm an autodidact and I'm hardly alone. Back in my C days, I could write all these things by hand, off the top of my head. Interestingly, I found that most people with college degrees could not do that. In fact, most couldn't quite grasp pointers all that well either. It was evident to me that they did whatever they could get away with to pass their programming courses and that's it. There's a difference between passion and education and they often lacked the passion part. Passion is what it's gonna take to learn these things and actually internalize them.
In any event, I no longer write any of these data structures or algorithms because they are already done for me and packaged in convenient libraries. The vast majority of developers fall into this category. Unless you're working on scientific computing, OS development, or similar subjects, you will probably never need to ever write any of those things. Going forward, this will be more and more true as specialized optimizations are packed and made freely available. I spend far more time learning how to use complex libraries.
Sadly, the people who profess that knowing how to write such algorithms is so important are frequently the worst coders. They understand the bits and bytes but their design skills often suck and they often lack any concern for maintainability or readability. Let me know when schools teach people how to write good code. Until then, the algorithm pushers can spare me the bs about algorithms and big-O notation because quality code is something important to EVERY developer. What's important is that you know how to learn what you need because every gig is different and there's nothing that any school will teach you that is going to cover it all.
"And in every case where paper ballots were "cheated" there was a "broken chain of custody.""
Really? You pulled that out of your ass. Prove it.
For the time being, I'll let your lie go and argue the point anyway:
Chain of custody is purely process lingo (i.e., bullshit). It works great until you have corrupt officials involved, at which point your precious process isn't worth fuckall.
lol...you don't think paper ballots can be cheated? It's trivially easy to break that system and it happens in countries around the world every fucking year. Deep down I know you realize that.
It's not that you trust paper. It's that you don't trust electronics. There's a difference
That's what it is on paper, I agree. But that's not how it's treated and it's certainly not how it's marketed. It's been co-opted into politics but economics always is.
woah...are you actually asserting that economic policy is divorced from how the government functions? Because history says just the opposite.
And just an FYI since I think you may be taking me to be something I'm not...I am not right wing or even close to it and I have no rose colored glasses when it comes to capitalism.
China is no more capitalist now than it was 30 years ago. It was an authoritarian communist regime then and it is an authoritarian communist regime now. The only difference is how they operate economically but political and personal freedom is still non-existent and that's the most important freedom of all. In essence, what they have is a "you can have all the freedom your can buy" policy. In the US, the idea is that all people are free regardless of personal wealth or influence. They have no such concept.
What I find so satisfying about all this is that it's a massive kick in the balls to Friedman's theories (i.e., what your theories are completely based on). Of course, Friedman also believed that rich people would guarantee freedom to fill in the gaps so that's why it's so important to have economic freedom. Yet another retarded theory that China chews up and shoves down his dead throat.
In any event, continue believing his bullshit. I realize nothing I say will change your mind about it. However, I recommend you actually read his book, Capitalism and Freedom so you fully understand what it entails. Sadly, most people who think he's so wonderful have never read anything he's written. If you do read it you'll learn interesting things like how he doesn't give a shit about ethics.
I'm a troll because I think flu vaccines are bullshit? Wow.
Anyway, just because Nordin's study is peer reviewed doesn't mean it's conclusions are truly valid. There are many peer reviewed studies that are later found to be flat out wrong in their conclusions. The problem with the Nordin study is that comes to conclusions based on limited information. It doesn't bother to address things like the habits of the people involved. It's all based on stats derived from medical records. They didn't even test against a placebo. Also did they bother to check for a correlation between good hygienic habits and people who get flu shots? Well, we don't know because they didn't bother to look at that.
Oh and please refute the statement that the seasonal flu vaccine is a guess. You can't, so you won't. FYI...there are just as many studies that state that they do little to nothing to reduce the risk of contracting the flu or shortening the duration if you get it.
I don't ever get the flu (since adulthood) and I don't get the flu shot. I don't get the flu because I don't do stupid shit. It's just not that hard to avoid. Good hygienic habits, good nutrition, and a good night's sleep are far more effective than any flu vaccine and those habits don't have mercury.
rofl...so the Nordin study you reference is well researched but the one by the OP isn't? Interesting...based on what fucking information?
I have news for you...seasonal influenza vaccines are bullshit. They are guesses as to what researchers think people will run into. In many cases, they don't protect against anything going around because they guessed wrong. Not to mention the fact that these viruses are constantly mutating. Sorry, but there's really no evidence that a seasonal vaccines does fuckall. Meanwhile, they are injecting mercury and other poisons into your body with the vaccine that are definitely harmful to your body.
You're right, regulation is the problem. After all, when they deregulated the airlines, prices went down...oh wait, they didn't. Or when California deregulated its energy market, the competition went up and the price went down...oh wait, it didn't. Enron rigged the market and bilked California out of $30 billion dollars causing many old people to die because they couldn't afford electricity in the middle of a hot California Summer. Or, hey we could deregulate Wall Street...oh wait, we did and they fucked the whole world up the ass.
Sorry but you need to break from ideology and come to terms with realities. Regulations are unfortunate and there can be a fine line between too much and too little but they are necessary to prevent the massive fucking over of the common man. These regulations didn't appear for no reason. They came into being because companies were abusing their freedom at the expense of everyone else, so the government had to put in restrictions. Occasionally the government goes too far but the bottom line is that regulation is a response to rampant and unrepentant greed.
FYI...I've read Friedman so don't think I don't understand the other point of view. Friedman doesn't address ethics at all. He ignores it as something unimportant. It's very convenient for someone who pushes for complete corporate freedom but completely unrealistic and irresponsible.
Yes, as I type this on my Mac I wonder about the sad state of education when simple reading comprehension is lost since I've never indicated ever having a problem installing the giant turd that is Eclipse.
VB is treating me ok, but your mother is treating me much much better! Oh and she wanted me to pass along a message...Eclipse is for amateur developers who don't know what a real IDE is supposed to be like.
I've used Eclipse on the Mac, Linux, and Windows (various flavors) and it's shit on all of them. The only reason I use it is because the companies I work at force it down your throat.
What are you smoking? You think the "megacorp" can manufacture money? No, they get it from you. And if you think our system is "almost perfect" than wow...I wish I lived in the same fantasy land as you. It sounds like a much better place than where I live.
First off...ad hominem attacks? Really? My attack was not ad hominem since I determined you're a brainwashed idiot based on a reasoned analysis of your statements -- not you as person simply because you happen to be conservative. In fact, there are several conservatives I get along with just fine because they are REAL conservatives not the modern version (which has nothing whatsoever to with conservatism).
ROFL...you think because you don't go to the hospital much that your health care costs are lower? Seriously, what fucking country do you live in. Your use (or lack thereof) has absolutely nothing to do with what it costs you (or your company). It's EVERYONE's use that actually matters. So you DO pay for illegal aliens right now. However, they aren't the reason health care is expensive. The reason is that the country is full of people who cannot control their weight or do anything toward a healthy diet.
As for me not being one who pays a lot of taxes...think again. I'm an independent contractor who gets to pay both the employee and employer side of taxes. Even if you look purely at my personal taxes, I may more as a percentage in taxes than McCain's wife did the year prior to her husband running for president when she had over $10 million in income and paid about 14.5% in taxes. I make well over $100k. I don't need a lecture about taxes. However, I don't understand how anyone with two brain cells to rub together cannot figure out that you are paying a huge health care tax now in the form of rapidly growing insurance rates. Guess how much mine has gone up in the last 2.5 years (which is fully funded by yours fucking truely)? 35 FUCKING PERCENT. I've never had tax increases like that. Bring on the fucking IRS I say. At least they will give me some lube to go with the anal probe.
Also, I don't ask that you take care of me one fucking iota. I've taken care of myself since I turned 19 and left my parent's house. Do you have kids? Cuz I'm taking care of your little brats going to school. Fuck that. Why don't you fight for that? I shouldn't have to pay taxes for other people's children to get an education.
Finally, I'm not a liberal or democrat. I'm a centrist. I find both parties an abomination that's doing everything in their power to fuck up the country (courtesy of the lobbyists that control them). If you think these people give one flying fuck what you think, you're an idiot. They only care what the lobbyists think...you know, the people who actually write the bills. I view anyone who sides with one of these parties as deluded and ignorant and brainwashed. For the record dipshit, I voted for Reagan...TWICE. But George W...no fucking way...he was obviously a moron from day one. Seriously, how could anyone with a brain or conscience vote for that piece of shit?
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There seems to be this assumption that because it's more english-like, that it is more readable and easier to code. Having looked at their coding samples (which are mostly made up of put (i.e., print) statements), I am not at all convinced. Looks like a bunch of bullshit to me. But in the end, even if I grant that it's intuitive, most humans just aren't logical enough to code. I've actually met people who cannot grasp a simple for loop. No, I'm not kidding.
It actually has nothing to do with lacking the technology to solve the problem, as you imply. The ACE was both fully aware of the problem and knew how to fix the problem. The real issue was simply an issue of funding: there was none. Now if the Dutch and Japanese have some kind of technology for imparting common sense in politicians, you might be right. However, I'm guessing they don't.
So you have no argument? Thanks for playing. Apparently logic is another thing that needs more work in comp sci programs.
Actually there are many. If you work your google noodle you can find it pretty easily. The US government is actually one of the least trustworthy in the western world.
rofl...what CPU are you working with that spikes when you have a list over 100 items? I hate to tell you this, but most development is for standard business apps. These scenarios you're dreaming up just don't happen. I've been in this industry for over 20 years, and it's just not an issue. Even if it does happen, it's not that hard to google algorithms that get the job done. It's not like they are a secret.
As for teaching how to write release-quality code being something that happens naturally over time like muscle memory...not on my planet. I work with people who have comp sci degrees and on virtually every gig I run into ones who can't design their way out of a paper bag. Nobody ever taught them how to do it or even why they should care. Yes, there are some who learn it over time but it's not a secret mystery that works for only one language. It's clear to me that learning algorithms doesn't impart any ability whatsoever to write quality code.
In regards to your language argument, I'll pretend for a second that schools aren't teaching Java when most of the work out there is for Java, just to make your argument more plausible. The truth is that the design and quality skills you learn for Java apply to any other statically typed OO language. Same holds for general OO concepts which graduates notoriously bad at. Unless they get on a team with good OO people, they will carry bad habits throughout their career.
Well, in the US, that's the nature of the entire government. Politicians are beholden to the special interests that pay to get them elected. So guess who they are working for.
I agree, and to this point, I have no degree and learned how to write sorts, hash tables, and linked lists all on my own. I'm an autodidact and I'm hardly alone. Back in my C days, I could write all these things by hand, off the top of my head. Interestingly, I found that most people with college degrees could not do that. In fact, most couldn't quite grasp pointers all that well either. It was evident to me that they did whatever they could get away with to pass their programming courses and that's it. There's a difference between passion and education and they often lacked the passion part. Passion is what it's gonna take to learn these things and actually internalize them.
In any event, I no longer write any of these data structures or algorithms because they are already done for me and packaged in convenient libraries. The vast majority of developers fall into this category. Unless you're working on scientific computing, OS development, or similar subjects, you will probably never need to ever write any of those things. Going forward, this will be more and more true as specialized optimizations are packed and made freely available. I spend far more time learning how to use complex libraries.
Sadly, the people who profess that knowing how to write such algorithms is so important are frequently the worst coders. They understand the bits and bytes but their design skills often suck and they often lack any concern for maintainability or readability. Let me know when schools teach people how to write good code. Until then, the algorithm pushers can spare me the bs about algorithms and big-O notation because quality code is something important to EVERY developer. What's important is that you know how to learn what you need because every gig is different and there's nothing that any school will teach you that is going to cover it all.
"And in every case where paper ballots were "cheated" there was a "broken chain of custody.""
Really? You pulled that out of your ass. Prove it.
For the time being, I'll let your lie go and argue the point anyway:
Chain of custody is purely process lingo (i.e., bullshit). It works great until you have corrupt officials involved, at which point your precious process isn't worth fuckall.
Stick that in your pipe.
lol...you don't think paper ballots can be cheated? It's trivially easy to break that system and it happens in countries around the world every fucking year. Deep down I know you realize that. It's not that you trust paper. It's that you don't trust electronics. There's a difference
That's what it is on paper, I agree. But that's not how it's treated and it's certainly not how it's marketed. It's been co-opted into politics but economics always is.
woah...are you actually asserting that economic policy is divorced from how the government functions? Because history says just the opposite. And just an FYI since I think you may be taking me to be something I'm not...I am not right wing or even close to it and I have no rose colored glasses when it comes to capitalism.
China is no more capitalist now than it was 30 years ago. It was an authoritarian communist regime then and it is an authoritarian communist regime now. The only difference is how they operate economically but political and personal freedom is still non-existent and that's the most important freedom of all. In essence, what they have is a "you can have all the freedom your can buy" policy. In the US, the idea is that all people are free regardless of personal wealth or influence. They have no such concept.
What I find so satisfying about all this is that it's a massive kick in the balls to Friedman's theories (i.e., what your theories are completely based on). Of course, Friedman also believed that rich people would guarantee freedom to fill in the gaps so that's why it's so important to have economic freedom. Yet another retarded theory that China chews up and shoves down his dead throat.
In any event, continue believing his bullshit. I realize nothing I say will change your mind about it. However, I recommend you actually read his book, Capitalism and Freedom so you fully understand what it entails. Sadly, most people who think he's so wonderful have never read anything he's written. If you do read it you'll learn interesting things like how he doesn't give a shit about ethics.
Some of ours don't have tents either. Ours also don't get health care.
Maybe you didn't get the memo, but Jesus is returning in 2012 so all your fancy-pants science tricks won't matter soon anyway.
Yes, which explains why college students in the US today have huge school loans to pay off...
I'd explain it all to you but you're too big of a moron to tell the difference between trolling and flame-baiting so there's no point.
I'm a troll because I think flu vaccines are bullshit? Wow.
Anyway, just because Nordin's study is peer reviewed doesn't mean it's conclusions are truly valid. There are many peer reviewed studies that are later found to be flat out wrong in their conclusions. The problem with the Nordin study is that comes to conclusions based on limited information. It doesn't bother to address things like the habits of the people involved. It's all based on stats derived from medical records. They didn't even test against a placebo. Also did they bother to check for a correlation between good hygienic habits and people who get flu shots? Well, we don't know because they didn't bother to look at that.
Oh and please refute the statement that the seasonal flu vaccine is a guess. You can't, so you won't. FYI...there are just as many studies that state that they do little to nothing to reduce the risk of contracting the flu or shortening the duration if you get it.
I don't ever get the flu (since adulthood) and I don't get the flu shot. I don't get the flu because I don't do stupid shit. It's just not that hard to avoid. Good hygienic habits, good nutrition, and a good night's sleep are far more effective than any flu vaccine and those habits don't have mercury.
rofl...so the Nordin study you reference is well researched but the one by the OP isn't? Interesting...based on what fucking information? I have news for you...seasonal influenza vaccines are bullshit. They are guesses as to what researchers think people will run into. In many cases, they don't protect against anything going around because they guessed wrong. Not to mention the fact that these viruses are constantly mutating. Sorry, but there's really no evidence that a seasonal vaccines does fuckall. Meanwhile, they are injecting mercury and other poisons into your body with the vaccine that are definitely harmful to your body.
You're right, regulation is the problem. After all, when they deregulated the airlines, prices went down...oh wait, they didn't. Or when California deregulated its energy market, the competition went up and the price went down...oh wait, it didn't. Enron rigged the market and bilked California out of $30 billion dollars causing many old people to die because they couldn't afford electricity in the middle of a hot California Summer. Or, hey we could deregulate Wall Street...oh wait, we did and they fucked the whole world up the ass.
Sorry but you need to break from ideology and come to terms with realities. Regulations are unfortunate and there can be a fine line between too much and too little but they are necessary to prevent the massive fucking over of the common man. These regulations didn't appear for no reason. They came into being because companies were abusing their freedom at the expense of everyone else, so the government had to put in restrictions. Occasionally the government goes too far but the bottom line is that regulation is a response to rampant and unrepentant greed.
FYI...I've read Friedman so don't think I don't understand the other point of view. Friedman doesn't address ethics at all. He ignores it as something unimportant. It's very convenient for someone who pushes for complete corporate freedom but completely unrealistic and irresponsible.
Yes, as I type this on my Mac I wonder about the sad state of education when simple reading comprehension is lost since I've never indicated ever having a problem installing the giant turd that is Eclipse.
VB is treating me ok, but your mother is treating me much much better! Oh and she wanted me to pass along a message...Eclipse is for amateur developers who don't know what a real IDE is supposed to be like.
I'm a retard because Eclipse sucks? Interesting. With that kind of logic, I'd hate to see your code.
I've used Eclipse on the Mac, Linux, and Windows (various flavors) and it's shit on all of them. The only reason I use it is because the companies I work at force it down your throat.
What are you smoking? You think the "megacorp" can manufacture money? No, they get it from you. And if you think our system is "almost perfect" than wow...I wish I lived in the same fantasy land as you. It sounds like a much better place than where I live.
First off...ad hominem attacks? Really? My attack was not ad hominem since I determined you're a brainwashed idiot based on a reasoned analysis of your statements -- not you as person simply because you happen to be conservative. In fact, there are several conservatives I get along with just fine because they are REAL conservatives not the modern version (which has nothing whatsoever to with conservatism).
ROFL...you think because you don't go to the hospital much that your health care costs are lower? Seriously, what fucking country do you live in. Your use (or lack thereof) has absolutely nothing to do with what it costs you (or your company). It's EVERYONE's use that actually matters. So you DO pay for illegal aliens right now. However, they aren't the reason health care is expensive. The reason is that the country is full of people who cannot control their weight or do anything toward a healthy diet.
As for me not being one who pays a lot of taxes...think again. I'm an independent contractor who gets to pay both the employee and employer side of taxes. Even if you look purely at my personal taxes, I may more as a percentage in taxes than McCain's wife did the year prior to her husband running for president when she had over $10 million in income and paid about 14.5% in taxes. I make well over $100k. I don't need a lecture about taxes. However, I don't understand how anyone with two brain cells to rub together cannot figure out that you are paying a huge health care tax now in the form of rapidly growing insurance rates. Guess how much mine has gone up in the last 2.5 years (which is fully funded by yours fucking truely)? 35 FUCKING PERCENT. I've never had tax increases like that. Bring on the fucking IRS I say. At least they will give me some lube to go with the anal probe.
Also, I don't ask that you take care of me one fucking iota. I've taken care of myself since I turned 19 and left my parent's house. Do you have kids? Cuz I'm taking care of your little brats going to school. Fuck that. Why don't you fight for that? I shouldn't have to pay taxes for other people's children to get an education.
Finally, I'm not a liberal or democrat. I'm a centrist. I find both parties an abomination that's doing everything in their power to fuck up the country (courtesy of the lobbyists that control them). If you think these people give one flying fuck what you think, you're an idiot. They only care what the lobbyists think...you know, the people who actually write the bills. I view anyone who sides with one of these parties as deluded and ignorant and brainwashed. For the record dipshit, I voted for Reagan...TWICE. But George W...no fucking way...he was obviously a moron from day one. Seriously, how could anyone with a brain or conscience vote for that piece of shit?