What's wrong with being anti-JEW? The Jews are the ones responsible for most of the suffering on earth.
Could your provide some numbers to establish this as a fact? I would be delighted to see if this in fact is the case. If this is true though, then we know at least who are the right people to confront? I mean, we've been pointlessly killing each other since the beginning of modern human civilization, so..
Thats the most ridiculous thing any mac fanboy has ever said in times. Lockdown?
I have a PC. I wanted something different. I Installed Linux Ubuntu and now I'm having fun. If i think linux sucks i will install solaris the next day and move on.
You and your scalable MAC OSX will fit the bill of a rich boys wallet who does not know what to do with all the money.
I Built a slightly top end machine a year back. AMD x64 Dual Core, 4 GB Ram + 512 MB Graphics card, 1 TB Disk. I run Vista X64 with all hell and horns turned on, run Lightroom, CS3, VMWare, Virtual Server and run several machines on it at the same time. I've not had any driver issues because i dont buy cheap crap korean hardware peripherals that come with good drivers. I've never had malware/virus because i run a good FREE (free as in beer) avast antivirus and don't do stupid things like click on crap and download crap from the web.
FYI, i also own a zune and a playforsure MP3 player that runs WinXP Compact edition, just fine. iRiver sells Windows based MP3 players. There are shit loads of smart devices like Mobile Phones, PDA's and Consoles that run Windows Mobile 6 edition which in fact is a FULL BLOWN pocket OS from microsoft, modular enough to run on these devices. Gives you the same app functionalities. IE, Windows media player, WinZip, Office etc.,
What about Mac? Don't you guys need to update hardware too ? Of course you had to! Power PC to Intel. Then more hardware for panther, more for running apps like photoshop. Apple charges SHIT LOADS for accessories. Why? Because they are a MONOPOLY, VENDOR LOCK IN and no one else can sell peripherals for your Mac computer.
I live in a free world. I run windows on a PC. When i hate windows i run linux and when i hate linux something else. How about you? Try installing linux on a Mac box and think of tech support when things break down.
MS anti-competitive practices makes it difficult for anyone else to play (think OS/2)
Thats a standard requirement for all players in the market. Price differentiates since everybody does the same thing, just a different approach. This however does not apply to LINUX because LINUX IS FREE AS IN BEER, so how can you price something better than free? Your argument is good for Anti - Mac pricing but where is price a factor in linux? Linux is free(as in beer) according to every Linux fan boy, including a newbie fan boy like myself but then reality kind of is uneasy.
Most people have no idea that they have a choice (windows is included with every PC they've ever bought, there is no distinction between 'computer' and 'windows')
Dell, HP, Lenovo, ASUS, Toshiba and every other major brand of PC maker/OEM sells Linux based servers/desktops and notebooks. They even sell Machines plain without any OS, just with drivers CD that come with drivers for every possible OS like Windows 9X, Linux, Vista etc., So this point does not apply too. I live in a third world country called "India". I'm buying a Notebook next month without an OS, i opted out and saved like 75$ on OEM Vista because i already own Vista in retail but i decided to Install Ubuntu X64 on my notebook, purely to take is as a challenge to learn and live with Linux despite problems i run into everyday.
there is no distinction between 'computer' and 'windows'
You said it like nobody said it, perfect. When Linux consumes so less resources, so more secure and so more robust and so more easier to use (shakes head in disbelief) why is that despite being like 10 - 15 years on the desktop now it still cant penetrate even like 5% of the market? The answer is simple, user experience. Rather like microsoft puts it, Out of the Box experience. You can click your way through to find where is what in windows, Linux is never like this. Ubuntu does it sort of somewhere along those lines but Mac and Windows Master this trade.
Most people are afraid of change, and would rather dance with the devil they know
Correct, because the unknown angel Linux wants your to type "Sudo" commands all the way through for basic operations. I can install Automatix for Ubuntu for automatically getting new apps but then i need to command prompt for getting automatix, something like sudo -getinstall automatix kind of a thing, i don't remember well, sorry. But certainly along those lines...
Linux has no marketing presence, look at how well FireFox did after marketing itself.
Everybody bashes windows, there is not one person who does not bitch Microsoft. Considering the fact that its a known fact (line as in universal truth) that Unix/Linux is more secure than Windows, Linus still does not get all the marketing it already seems to have. This is plainly because Linux does NOT care about user experience.
The oft-repeated difficulties of using Linux, many of which are no longer true, or were never true. This line also ignores or discounts the difficulties of using Windows. There is a trade-off, but it seems that people have accepted windows short-falls as 'normal', but expect Linux to be 'perfect'.
Nope, Windows simply is easy and a child's play for any one around the block. Guessing is a way of doing things in Windows. For example you delete a file, there is a simple animation that throws something to the trash. This is common sense to most people that they are getting rid of something they have.
I agree Linux has improved, from the days (approx 7 years back) when i used to install Redhat Linux v7 using disk druid to partition disks and configuring LILO etc., Ubuntu has made it a child's play to install Linux compared to what it was or used to be but still Linux cannot do things a normal user would want to do specifically to his domain. For example, in Linux there is NO equivalent app like Light
The point is how many people use Linux on the desktop. Let me count, #1 - Me, #2 - Probably you #3 - a few other geeks who know how to "sudo" around the Operating System.
I mean it just don't make sense to me, if something is free (free as in beer as you put it) and works so well better than paid stuff like MS or apple then why is that less than 1% of the population uses it on the desktop??
I use Ubuntu X64 for my desktop along with Win Vista X64. I've read so many things on Ubuntu forums to do one simple thing, calibrate my monitor's colour profile to sRGB.
I still have not found simple steps like as in widnows, a couple of clicks and then your're done.
Unless linux coders realize desktop users are not geeks, linux would not get to the desktop in ages. MS and Apple will continue to beat the shit out of linux on the desktop.
Norton Antivirus / McAfee / Trend Micro - Never compare them to seat belts. They are more of less like wrapping yourself around with a 100 Tonne Steel chain to your car seat. No wonder your car slows down, despite the fact it being a mclaren that does 0 - 60 in 5 seconds flat.
Talk about sensible anti virus scanner that hardly use any CPU resource and do the same good job as Norton or any other Resource whore scanner would do.
CA E-Trust Internet Security Suite 2008 - does a fantastic job. Anti virus, Anti Spy-ware checker, Firewall, Ad blocker everything you need.
Avast! - Anti virus, nothing more, nothing less. Does a fantastic job. I run it on my Vista X64 and have about 1.5 Tera bytes of data on my 4 TB Disk. I run a full scan everyday simply because i have about 4 GB of ram on this box. Its seamless and works fine. I switched over to this after being tired of Norton making my PC limp like a lame horse despite having so much memory and two quad core processors.
The best part is Symantec support stating i need a better performing hardware when i wrote to their support. I mean if SATA 2.0 4 TB, 2 Quad Core AMD 2.0 Ghz processors, 4 GB RAM and a 512 MB Graphics card would not do the job, to hell with Symantec. I'm a happy Avast customer, i use their free version (not even the cheap 30$ pro version of the antivirus) and im a happy customer.
I run CA Anti-virus on all of the WinXP Virtual Images i run, no problems either. If only we can carefully look around there are mother loads of way better alternatives to norton/mcafee nightmares on windows.
Good for you rich guy. This is like listening to my boss talk about his Porsche. I honestly cant afford a mac, unless its a 4 year old beater, but I can afford a budget PC that's pretty powerful and can last until the new budget models are almost twice as fast.
Boy are you absolutely right. There is no proof money makes everything right. I accept that security concerns are abundant on the Windows Platform but then as a novice desktop user nobody gives a damn about it, at least most people don't.
Well speaking of security, its like these apple fan boys are making windows look like a piece of shit when it clearly is totally different a picture. With simple things like a good anti-virus software, a good firewall program and good common sense (which is the most important ingredient) of downloading random crap from the internet and give the porn some rest, you can defnitely have a sane and peaceful windows environment. Surprisingly i've been using windows for years now. Windows 3.0 for workgroups -> Win 95 -> Win 98 SE -> Win XP -> Win Vista X64.
I've had two instances of virus outbreaks. Once was when i used some random floppy without scanning that had MS Blaster on it. Second was when my brother downloaded way too much stuff from the net and installed every possible shit like those emoticon toolbar kind of malware. In both instances i've been able to run Antivirus applications and cleaning stuff (CCleaner highly recommended) and recover the machine without any problems. But thats just me, the Windows geek and may not apply to everyone. However considering the fact that i can assemble a power house (i run a 4 GB RAM, 2 TB SATA2 HDD and Quad Core machine at home) from scratch within a budget of $900 i find no point blowing money on a similar configuration machine from apple who charges US $2800.
I run every possible app with my PC. Lightroom 1.4, Photoshop CS3, Office 2007, WinAmp, Limewire, etc., at the same time with little performance issues. A 512 MB card for graphics (add another US$90) makes it a pleasure with Gaming. I don't see the point. Why an average individual who lives out of his monthly paycheck blow so much on a MAC.
The registry. Check-mate. And, why should malware (includes viruses) be prohibited from this argument?
The registry is NOT something a user would need to touch on a daily basis. So much for your bragging about using OEM systems. Nobody opens the registry to configure a sound card. Nobody Opens the registry to open a Application. Nobody Opens the registry to Install or to Uninstall Applications. People open the registry to hack things or to tweak things to make things work their way, in most cases which is not recommended by either MS or the application vendor. But then its all about customization isn't it? Getting what YOU want out of the PC. A Novice user would have his grandchild or the boy next doors fix his registry. This happens once in a blue moon if something breaks, goes wrong. Not everyday but then in Linux i have to edit some fstab file or something along those things to mount a simple USB hard drive. Run a comman, edit some parameters on a file to mount a stupid USB disk which i brought to get things done easily in the first place?!? Malware is not within the scope of this discussion because we are discussing "ease of use" and "self teaching/learning environment" of an operating system that claims to be so user friendly nowadays on the desktop, when it is so NOT." If only Linux got to be as popular as Windows/Mac is on the desktop is, see all the crooks writing malware for Linux. Right now, its just so much of a waste of time and effort.
That's the myth they're telling in Redmond.
You don't have a rational and technical response for this. Name one application that stands on par with user experience, customizations, plugins features and community interaction as much as these apps on Windows/Mac do.
Winamp
Adobe Photoshop
iTunes
Microsoft Office
Safari
Aperture/Lightroom
GIMP honestly is a good attempt but its bullshit. Why have an app window, then have another window holder to hold the image?!? Can't they even have the decency to put it all under one frame? I mean how much does it hurt to understand a simple thing like this?
...it does all of that, plus ripping CDs to a better file format (FLAC or Ogg Vorbis) at full speed, without paying for any upgrade.
No it does not, XMMS does not have a media library and i clearly mentioned it. Its the Closest looking/feeling application to WinAmp on linux in terms of features and controls. In fact it is advertised as "Winamp like media player" when you install it using 'Synaptec Packet Manager'. However it does NOT have a media library. If it does its so damn hidden it needs Christopher Columbus to set an expedition to discover. Not simple like right click on the app and choose what you want to see. It cannot organize music based on its own database. NO, it cant! As for Rhythmbox, i'm yet to see a more ugly looking media player application than this. I will post you if i find anything more uglier.
I seriously am wondering, why is everything so big and ugly on Linux? I mean really big like a buffalo. Windows/Apps/Title bars and buttons. Why is that none of them (exception to this is XMMS) understand smaller nicher controls are better?
Or for ~$40, you can buy the "$distro Bible"
Pardon me but did not i already bring in the discussion that im a dumb computer user. Maybe you did not understand, when i said "I" i did not mean personally me but i meant the average computer user (windows/mac) who knows how to turn it on, print, email and chat. Now why would i of all the other things in the world waste my time on a big ass book and study weird computer stuff that im least interested in? All i wanna do is basic stuff, why do i have to train myself for that? Both Apple and Microsoft know this is what most people want, they do that job perfectly. Point, Click, go! Game over.
I take some things very seriously. Lousy software and its apologists just aren't among them.
So do i, lousy enough to not let the user know where the heck on earth to find what to do simple things in life.
Sorry to say but you are the typical heartless computer geek who thinks everybody else is dumb and ain't worth half of your genius. It may be true but you don't win the Market with such "I'm Linux and everyone else sucks" attitude.
This is where Microsoft and Apple kick some ass. Linux as a community does not understand its not the technology or the product that gets peoples liking but its the way in which its presented and supported and serviced and that feeling of the brand value and commitment that they usher with everything do. What happens when you write on an Ubuntu forum asking for help? They ask you to download python or C++ libraries and code the damn drivers yourself!
I'm certain as long as people contribute like this to the Linux community it will still have a market share of 3% on the desktop as it was 5 years back. I mean if Linux is so mother loads great and beats the crap out of windows or Mac and its so easy to use and so diverse an environment, Microsoft and Apple should be begging for alms long back. Looks like that ain't happening in a long time from now.
"man $foo"
: what the hell is this? What sense does it make to me as a person that knows very little computers and does not care to waste time on studying computers. All i wanna know is do email/music/share images and play games. Why the should i go open a terminal, type these ridiculous insensible words to know some crap i don't care about. Sorry, but then people live around by guessing. There is an old joke "when all else fails, read the manual", this is what everybody does, including yourself. I know it for fact, its human. If you cannot make your computing environment friendly enough for the normal guessing bob next door you ain't gonna sell that shit to him for free or even make him use it by paying him money. In contrast "Start -> Help", even a 3rd grade kid can figure out that he is trying to seek help from the Operating System by looking at this action. See what i mean?
Sound Juicer/Rhythmbox
: another piece of software that lacks the niche and the feel of Winamp, iTunes, Windows Media Player. I don't need to prove it. Check it yourself. I use both of them that you mentioned, not because i like it, because i have no choice. Its Linux. I have no choice, i have to live with what i have in there, i can't go buy stuff or download things that i like simply because there are very less rich applications for Linux. There are 100's or 1000's of apps but they all look alike and do the same.
Clearly you have an overactive sense of humor.
: Clearly you have sarcasm and irony in everything you approach, elitism included which is a typical trait of all Linux junkies. Name one thing in Windows that a novice user cannot understand or comprehend as to what he is doing. One thing! Don't comeback with stuff like virus/malware kind of lame excuses. We know windows security, thats not the point of discussion here. The point of discussion is making Linux easy and "figure out yourself" kind of a platform like windows and Mac is. Just One thing, in windows which someone can never find out or cannot get help by calling the clever school kid next doors or some random tech support hot line for 10 dollars a fix.
That sounds like a "mission critical" application, which therefore is probably prohibited by any and all Microsoft EULA.
: Sarcasm again, nevertheless this proves that all Linux junkies think desktop applications are so mission critical that they are launching satellites by the minute and computing some code for finding a cure for AIDS when in reality we are talking about the DESKTOP! More or less, Nothing is MISSION CRITICAL on the desktop 90% of the time for almost 3/4th's of the people. You can't loose an arm and a leg if you don't have email for a few hours, this however applies for NORMAL people who game/music/upload pictures everyday. Not the business users or upscale technology users like you or me who do many a things on the internet than mo
function=some MS product - and too many users aren't tech savvy enough to understand that is not the case. MS has been very good at equating function=some MS product.
Its called seamless integration. I started using Linux Ubuntu just out of curiosity. I love it, however my learning curve was steep and i had to research every shit for 1 hour before i figured out how to do simple things like monitor color calibration, printer calibration, using GIMP, ripping HD-Movies. The best part is im a damn geek, i work on servers day and night for the past 6 years and i know my way around things in terms of computing, ie., im not the guy next door who thinks IE is internet and Winamp is all that music is about.
The average home user is dumb, like you quoted. Being a EX Windows XP Support technician i know it first hand. They just want their job don't with ease, they don't care a damn to learn some rocket science to do simple things. This is where Linux burns in hell. They assume every dude out there to have a yearning to learn new things/technologies and ways of doing it. They don't seem to believe in "see, click, touch, type..." which mortal humans like most of us want to see and do which windows and mac OSX master at.
For example in windows all i have to is run Windows Update, two simple english words that tell me what it does. In linux its "sudo -apt getupdate"
I mean, what the hell! How on earth would i guess what sudo is and the arguement -apt stands for. As a novice computer user, say like a senior citizen or a plumber who knows not much but just likes to email/chat/play games/rip Music... Microsoft understands what exactly i need and empowers me in very simple terms and ways to do it. Hell i would not care if the shit explodes 3 times a day, i can still live with it. Its like having the cake and eating it too although it may be a bit bitter sometimes. Linux is like a wonderful pastry that people talk about and promise of. Those inside the bakery relish it, you the dumb chimpanzee in a zoo experiment are the fool outside who can only scratch the bullet proof glass and wonder.. is there a way in at all??!?
Sorry but im not the one out of touch. Check out any new Mac desktop or the Dell Latitude range of notebooks. And yes, please dont look at entry level below $500 notebooks and tell me they got only 512 MB of ram. Any notebook, over $800 nowadays come with a decent 2 GB of ram, or atleast come with 1gb ram and a free upgrade or a very less expensive upgrade when you buy it for an additional 1 GB of ram.
May be you should check vendors and see the specs before you post.
I beg to differ. For most things, at least if your objective is running apps that dont require sound, and access to external devices like a printer or something then all you need is virtualization. I run Vista X64 with 4 GB or ram. I parallelly run Windows Server 2008 and Ubuntu on this box. I dont seem to have problems doing resource intensive things.
Okay well, ive got more ram but still most modern PC's today come with 2 GB ram, so running one more parallel OS should not be a big deal at all, unless and of course you need to print or scan or do something along those lines.
With all due respect Mr. Atheist, I am a Christian and am offended that they should dictate to me what I can and can't see. I demand that that they stop bothering Wikipedia, because it shows a total lack of respect to *all* who do not hold the beliefs and ideals of their faith.
Besides, if all I see are political cartoons depicting him, what else should I think of him? With All due respects mr. christian i am offended by the way you forcibly oppress and convert poor people in my country on the pretext of charity. The day you stop your shit here, they day Muslims will stop theirs. Unfortunately neither of you terrorists will do it.
Hold on, we atheists are coming to get ya.
Mate, i live in india. While i agree with you that india is not broke ass like some of the african nations it certainly is not a developed or rich country and yes, we have poverty here everywhere! That is fact! Don't look at the cities and do your talking. Count the calories each indian induvidual gets compared to contries like malaysia, amercia, england etc.,
Your talking is as if india is fed on a silver spoon while its so not because i live here and i know it.
How Ridiculous! In India we dont use toilet paper, we are more cleanly than that. We use Water with is a better cleansing agent than a piece of paper! Having said that your sister must have travelled to remote nameless roadless villages because i live in the city of chennai. Any upscale hotel (that while people who travel stay, the 3 or 5 star ones) would have toilet paper with them.
All of our offices have toilet papers in the restroom. My house has toilet papers in the restroom. So does many other people's homes eventhough we seldom use them. Its simply an aspect of understanding that if someone out of the country is visiting they be more comfortable.
Expecting everything to be 100% as it is in america when you step out to a poverty ridden third world country like india or africa is madness. Your sister needs to be more mature than this.
Duh! Its called "Super Speed".
Copy/Paste from Wiki:-
* A Low Speed (1.1, 2.0) rate of 1.5 Mbit/s (187 kB/s) that is mostly used for Human Interface Devices (HID) such as keyboards, mice, and joysticks.
* A Full Speed (1.1, 2.0) rate of 12 Mbit/s (1.5 MB/s). Full Speed was the fastest rate before the USB 2.0 specification and many devices fall back to Full Speed. Full Speed devices divide the USB bandwidth between them in a first-come first-served basis and it is not uncommon to run out of bandwidth with several isochronous devices. All USB Hubs support Full Speed.
* A Hi-Speed (2.0) rate of 480 Mbit/s (60 MB/s).
Experimental data rate:
* A Super-Speed (3.0) rate of 4.8 Gbit/s (600 MB/s). The USB 3.0 specification will be released by Intel and its partners in mid 2008 according to early reports from CNET news. According to Intel, bus speeds will be 10 times faster than USB 2.0 due to the inclusion of a fiber optic link that works with traditional copper connectors. Products using the 3.0 specification are likely to arrive in 2009 or 2010.
Perhaps you are the only one complaining so about this. I run vista with a wireless setup perfectly fine. I guess you dont know what "checking drivers" and "checking with hardware vendor" or even "calling support" is.
Well now that you have posted how vista looses your IP address you may have your 2 seconds of fame at this sladshot forum but sorry to say that you need to try harder.
You must be the real american who knows how to shout your mouth off with all the nonsense you can aren't you? Why dont you shut up and stop making yourself look so smart ass when you are so not?
People, i live in india. While conditions may not be as great as your dollar rich USA is it certainly is not as pathetic as the Anonymous Coward tells you. (no wonder he is an anonymous coward)
Cows, Dogs, Sheep do take to the road here and yes that is normal in india. That is what india is all about. Livestock is also transport here. People still use bullock cards to transport material. Although this is not common a sight to see nowadays it still exists and is fading away.
However what was told about bikes is right. I personally use a bike. Car would mean longer travel times and bikes are easier to navigate. That does not mean indians should not have the right to the luxury of cars, does it? Tata understands this better and what they are doing is great. yes it will add to more pollution and fuel consumption but that needs to be addressed with alternative fuel sources. You cant just deny shit to people because its scarce and it may become even more scarce if its over used. Thats ridiculous.
India is fast developing and the infrastructure we had 5 years back is nothing and what we have now is on par with most developing nations and its only getting better by the day. Hey, after all we have all of your high paying computer jobs from all over the world. We sure got the money to build better roads and flyovers, and we are doing it already big time.
Well said on this one. I work for a Storage Major as a Support Specialist. Yesterday i had a client ask me what a "OU" (Organizational Unit) was in the Active Directory, when i asked her to change some security credentials on the OU for your CDP solution to work. Guess what her email Signature Reads "Storage Architect - Windows":-(
People like these are the ones that come around here bashing Microsoft. While Microsoft in itself is no hero in security the advancements in terms of security they made has been tremendous post the "Trustworthy Computing" initiative a few years back.
As for the Initiative itself goes its very similar to the ones for Vista and IIS and Windows Server 2008 in recent days. The company feels its more ideal to work hand in hand with the developers and users who use their software day to day. Remember 70% of all Web servers that use SSH / SSL based deployments prefer IIS on windows rather than Apache whom otherwise have the majority market share.
That goes to say simply that Web Admins don't trust Apache with SSL deployments on their pages. This is fact. Go goggle it and you would get truck loads of simple numbers and if you are not lost in bashing Microsoft to death then you may actually get to read some simple figures that would make some sense.
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What's wrong with being anti-JEW? The Jews are the ones responsible for most of the suffering on earth.
Could your provide some numbers to establish this as a fact? I would be delighted to see if this in fact is the case. If this is true though, then we know at least who are the right people to confront? I mean, we've been pointlessly killing each other since the beginning of modern human civilization, so..
oh right. a car that goes up in flames which is an utter failure in india. now all set to be a bigger fail in the USA? when will TATA ever learn!
Thats the most ridiculous thing any mac fanboy has ever said in times. Lockdown?
I have a PC. I wanted something different. I Installed Linux Ubuntu and now I'm having fun. If i think linux sucks i will install solaris the next day and move on.
You and your scalable MAC OSX will fit the bill of a rich boys wallet who does not know what to do with all the money.
I Built a slightly top end machine a year back. AMD x64 Dual Core, 4 GB Ram + 512 MB Graphics card, 1 TB Disk. I run Vista X64 with all hell and horns turned on, run Lightroom, CS3, VMWare, Virtual Server and run several machines on it at the same time. I've not had any driver issues because i dont buy cheap crap korean hardware peripherals that come with good drivers. I've never had malware/virus because i run a good FREE (free as in beer) avast antivirus and don't do stupid things like click on crap and download crap from the web.
FYI, i also own a zune and a playforsure MP3 player that runs WinXP Compact edition, just fine. iRiver sells Windows based MP3 players. There are shit loads of smart devices like Mobile Phones, PDA's and Consoles that run Windows Mobile 6 edition which in fact is a FULL BLOWN pocket OS from microsoft, modular enough to run on these devices. Gives you the same app functionalities. IE, Windows media player, WinZip, Office etc.,
What about Mac? Don't you guys need to update hardware too ? Of course you had to! Power PC to Intel. Then more hardware for panther, more for running apps like photoshop. Apple charges SHIT LOADS for accessories. Why? Because they are a MONOPOLY, VENDOR LOCK IN and no one else can sell peripherals for your Mac computer.
I live in a free world. I run windows on a PC. When i hate windows i run linux and when i hate linux something else. How about you? Try installing linux on a Mac box and think of tech support when things break down.
MS anti-competitive practices makes it difficult for anyone else to play (think OS/2)
Thats a standard requirement for all players in the market. Price differentiates since everybody does the same thing, just a different approach. This however does not apply to LINUX because LINUX IS FREE AS IN BEER, so how can you price something better than free? Your argument is good for Anti - Mac pricing but where is price a factor in linux? Linux is free(as in beer) according to every Linux fan boy, including a newbie fan boy like myself but then reality kind of is uneasy.
Most people have no idea that they have a choice (windows is included with every PC they've ever bought, there is no distinction between 'computer' and 'windows')
Dell, HP, Lenovo, ASUS, Toshiba and every other major brand of PC maker/OEM sells Linux based servers/desktops and notebooks. They even sell Machines plain without any OS, just with drivers CD that come with drivers for every possible OS like Windows 9X, Linux, Vista etc., So this point does not apply too. I live in a third world country called "India". I'm buying a Notebook next month without an OS, i opted out and saved like 75$ on OEM Vista because i already own Vista in retail but i decided to Install Ubuntu X64 on my notebook, purely to take is as a challenge to learn and live with Linux despite problems i run into everyday.
there is no distinction between 'computer' and 'windows'
You said it like nobody said it, perfect. When Linux consumes so less resources, so more secure and so more robust and so more easier to use (shakes head in disbelief) why is that despite being like 10 - 15 years on the desktop now it still cant penetrate even like 5% of the market? The answer is simple, user experience. Rather like microsoft puts it, Out of the Box experience. You can click your way through to find where is what in windows, Linux is never like this. Ubuntu does it sort of somewhere along those lines but Mac and Windows Master this trade.
Most people are afraid of change, and would rather dance with the devil they know
Correct, because the unknown angel Linux wants your to type "Sudo" commands all the way through for basic operations. I can install Automatix for Ubuntu for automatically getting new apps but then i need to command prompt for getting automatix, something like sudo -getinstall automatix kind of a thing, i don't remember well, sorry. But certainly along those lines...
Linux has no marketing presence, look at how well FireFox did after marketing itself.
Everybody bashes windows, there is not one person who does not bitch Microsoft. Considering the fact that its a known fact (line as in universal truth) that Unix/Linux is more secure than Windows, Linus still does not get all the marketing it already seems to have. This is plainly because Linux does NOT care about user experience.
The oft-repeated difficulties of using Linux, many of which are no longer true, or were never true. This line also ignores or discounts the difficulties of using Windows. There is a trade-off, but it seems that people have accepted windows short-falls as 'normal', but expect Linux to be 'perfect'.
Nope, Windows simply is easy and a child's play for any one around the block. Guessing is a way of doing things in Windows. For example you delete a file, there is a simple animation that throws something to the trash. This is common sense to most people that they are getting rid of something they have.
I agree Linux has improved, from the days (approx 7 years back) when i used to install Redhat Linux v7 using disk druid to partition disks and configuring LILO etc., Ubuntu has made it a child's play to install Linux compared to what it was or used to be but still Linux cannot do things a normal user would want to do specifically to his domain. For example, in Linux there is NO equivalent app like Light
The point is how many people use Linux on the desktop. Let me count, #1 - Me, #2 - Probably you #3 - a few other geeks who know how to "sudo" around the Operating System.
I mean it just don't make sense to me, if something is free (free as in beer as you put it) and works so well better than paid stuff like MS or apple then why is that less than 1% of the population uses it on the desktop??
I use Ubuntu X64 for my desktop along with Win Vista X64. I've read so many things on Ubuntu forums to do one simple thing, calibrate my monitor's colour profile to sRGB.
I still have not found simple steps like as in widnows, a couple of clicks and then your're done.
Unless linux coders realize desktop users are not geeks, linux would not get to the desktop in ages. MS and Apple will continue to beat the shit out of linux on the desktop.
Norton Antivirus / McAfee / Trend Micro - Never compare them to seat belts. They are more of less like wrapping yourself around with a 100 Tonne Steel chain to your car seat. No wonder your car slows down, despite the fact it being a mclaren that does 0 - 60 in 5 seconds flat.
Talk about sensible anti virus scanner that hardly use any CPU resource and do the same good job as Norton or any other Resource whore scanner would do.
CA E-Trust Internet Security Suite 2008 - does a fantastic job. Anti virus, Anti Spy-ware checker, Firewall, Ad blocker everything you need.
Avast! - Anti virus, nothing more, nothing less. Does a fantastic job. I run it on my Vista X64 and have about 1.5 Tera bytes of data on my 4 TB Disk. I run a full scan everyday simply because i have about 4 GB of ram on this box. Its seamless and works fine. I switched over to this after being tired of Norton making my PC limp like a lame horse despite having so much memory and two quad core processors.
The best part is Symantec support stating i need a better performing hardware when i wrote to their support. I mean if SATA 2.0 4 TB, 2 Quad Core AMD 2.0 Ghz processors, 4 GB RAM and a 512 MB Graphics card would not do the job, to hell with Symantec. I'm a happy Avast customer, i use their free version (not even the cheap 30$ pro version of the antivirus) and im a happy customer.
I run CA Anti-virus on all of the WinXP Virtual Images i run, no problems either. If only we can carefully look around there are mother loads of way better alternatives to norton/mcafee nightmares on windows.
Boy are you absolutely right. There is no proof money makes everything right. I accept that security concerns are abundant on the Windows Platform but then as a novice desktop user nobody gives a damn about it, at least most people don't.
Well speaking of security, its like these apple fan boys are making windows look like a piece of shit when it clearly is totally different a picture. With simple things like a good anti-virus software, a good firewall program and good common sense (which is the most important ingredient) of downloading random crap from the internet and give the porn some rest, you can defnitely have a sane and peaceful windows environment. Surprisingly i've been using windows for years now. Windows 3.0 for workgroups -> Win 95 -> Win 98 SE -> Win XP -> Win Vista X64.
I've had two instances of virus outbreaks. Once was when i used some random floppy without scanning that had MS Blaster on it. Second was when my brother downloaded way too much stuff from the net and installed every possible shit like those emoticon toolbar kind of malware. In both instances i've been able to run Antivirus applications and cleaning stuff (CCleaner highly recommended) and recover the machine without any problems. But thats just me, the Windows geek and may not apply to everyone. However considering the fact that i can assemble a power house (i run a 4 GB RAM, 2 TB SATA2 HDD and Quad Core machine at home) from scratch within a budget of $900 i find no point blowing money on a similar configuration machine from apple who charges US $2800.
I run every possible app with my PC. Lightroom 1.4, Photoshop CS3, Office 2007, WinAmp, Limewire, etc., at the same time with little performance issues. A 512 MB card for graphics (add another US$90) makes it a pleasure with Gaming. I don't see the point. Why an average individual who lives out of his monthly paycheck blow so much on a MAC.
The registry is NOT something a user would need to touch on a daily basis. So much for your bragging about using OEM systems. Nobody opens the registry to configure a sound card. Nobody Opens the registry to open a Application. Nobody Opens the registry to Install or to Uninstall Applications. People open the registry to hack things or to tweak things to make things work their way, in most cases which is not recommended by either MS or the application vendor. But then its all about customization isn't it? Getting what YOU want out of the PC. A Novice user would have his grandchild or the boy next doors fix his registry. This happens once in a blue moon if something breaks, goes wrong. Not everyday but then in Linux i have to edit some fstab file or something along those things to mount a simple USB hard drive. Run a comman, edit some parameters on a file to mount a stupid USB disk which i brought to get things done easily in the first place?!? Malware is not within the scope of this discussion because we are discussing "ease of use" and "self teaching/learning environment" of an operating system that claims to be so user friendly nowadays on the desktop, when it is so NOT." If only Linux got to be as popular as Windows/Mac is on the desktop is, see all the crooks writing malware for Linux. Right now, its just so much of a waste of time and effort.
That's the myth they're telling in Redmond.You don't have a rational and technical response for this. Name one application that stands on par with user experience, customizations, plugins features and community interaction as much as these apps on Windows/Mac do.
Winamp
Adobe Photoshop
iTunes
Microsoft Office
Safari
Aperture/Lightroom
GIMP honestly is a good attempt but its bullshit. Why have an app window, then have another window holder to hold the image?!? Can't they even have the decency to put it all under one frame? I mean how much does it hurt to understand a simple thing like this?
...it does all of that, plus ripping CDs to a better file format (FLAC or Ogg Vorbis) at full speed, without paying for any upgrade.
No it does not, XMMS does not have a media library and i clearly mentioned it. Its the Closest looking/feeling application to WinAmp on linux in terms of features and controls. In fact it is advertised as "Winamp like media player" when you install it using 'Synaptec Packet Manager'. However it does NOT have a media library. If it does its so damn hidden it needs Christopher Columbus to set an expedition to discover. Not simple like right click on the app and choose what you want to see. It cannot organize music based on its own database. NO, it cant! As for Rhythmbox, i'm yet to see a more ugly looking media player application than this. I will post you if i find anything more uglier.
I seriously am wondering, why is everything so big and ugly on Linux? I mean really big like a buffalo. Windows/Apps/Title bars and buttons. Why is that none of them (exception to this is XMMS) understand smaller nicher controls are better?
Or for ~$40, you can buy the "$distro Bible"Pardon me but did not i already bring in the discussion that im a dumb computer user. Maybe you did not understand, when i said "I" i did not mean personally me but i meant the average computer user (windows/mac) who knows how to turn it on, print, email and chat. Now why would i of all the other things in the world waste my time on a big ass book and study weird computer stuff that im least interested in? All i wanna do is basic stuff, why do i have to train myself for that? Both Apple and Microsoft know this is what most people want, they do that job perfectly. Point, Click, go! Game over. I take some things very seriously. Lousy software and its apologists just aren't among them.
So do i, lousy enough to not let the user know where the heck on earth to find what to do simple things in life.
"man $foo"
: what the hell is this? What sense does it make to me as a person that knows very little computers and does not care to waste time on studying computers. All i wanna know is do email/music/share images and play games. Why the should i go open a terminal, type these ridiculous insensible words to know some crap i don't care about. Sorry, but then people live around by guessing. There is an old joke "when all else fails, read the manual", this is what everybody does, including yourself. I know it for fact, its human. If you cannot make your computing environment friendly enough for the normal guessing bob next door you ain't gonna sell that shit to him for free or even make him use it by paying him money. In contrast "Start -> Help", even a 3rd grade kid can figure out that he is trying to seek help from the Operating System by looking at this action. See what i mean?
Sound Juicer/Rhythmbox
: another piece of software that lacks the niche and the feel of Winamp, iTunes, Windows Media Player. I don't need to prove it. Check it yourself. I use both of them that you mentioned, not because i like it, because i have no choice. Its Linux. I have no choice, i have to live with what i have in there, i can't go buy stuff or download things that i like simply because there are very less rich applications for Linux. There are 100's or 1000's of apps but they all look alike and do the same.
Clearly you have an overactive sense of humor.
: Clearly you have sarcasm and irony in everything you approach, elitism included which is a typical trait of all Linux junkies. Name one thing in Windows that a novice user cannot understand or comprehend as to what he is doing. One thing! Don't comeback with stuff like virus/malware kind of lame excuses. We know windows security, thats not the point of discussion here. The point of discussion is making Linux easy and "figure out yourself" kind of a platform like windows and Mac is. Just One thing, in windows which someone can never find out or cannot get help by calling the clever school kid next doors or some random tech support hot line for 10 dollars a fix.
That sounds like a "mission critical" application, which therefore is probably prohibited by any and all Microsoft EULA.
: Sarcasm again, nevertheless this proves that all Linux junkies think desktop applications are so mission critical that they are launching satellites by the minute and computing some code for finding a cure for AIDS when in reality we are talking about the DESKTOP! More or less, Nothing is MISSION CRITICAL on the desktop 90% of the time for almost 3/4th's of the people. You can't loose an arm and a leg if you don't have email for a few hours, this however applies for NORMAL people who game/music/upload pictures everyday. Not the business users or upscale technology users like you or me who do many a things on the internet than mo
function=some MS product - and too many users aren't tech savvy enough to understand that is not the case. MS has been very good at equating function=some MS product.
Its called seamless integration. I started using Linux Ubuntu just out of curiosity. I love it, however my learning curve was steep and i had to research every shit for 1 hour before i figured out how to do simple things like monitor color calibration, printer calibration, using GIMP, ripping HD-Movies. The best part is im a damn geek, i work on servers day and night for the past 6 years and i know my way around things in terms of computing, ie., im not the guy next door who thinks IE is internet and Winamp is all that music is about.
The average home user is dumb, like you quoted. Being a EX Windows XP Support technician i know it first hand. They just want their job don't with ease, they don't care a damn to learn some rocket science to do simple things. This is where Linux burns in hell. They assume every dude out there to have a yearning to learn new things/technologies and ways of doing it. They don't seem to believe in "see, click, touch, type..." which mortal humans like most of us want to see and do which windows and mac OSX master at.
For example in windows all i have to is run Windows Update, two simple english words that tell me what it does. In linux its "sudo -apt getupdate"
I mean, what the hell! How on earth would i guess what sudo is and the arguement -apt stands for. As a novice computer user, say like a senior citizen or a plumber who knows not much but just likes to email/chat/play games/rip Music... Microsoft understands what exactly i need and empowers me in very simple terms and ways to do it. Hell i would not care if the shit explodes 3 times a day, i can still live with it. Its like having the cake and eating it too although it may be a bit bitter sometimes. Linux is like a wonderful pastry that people talk about and promise of. Those inside the bakery relish it, you the dumb chimpanzee in a zoo experiment are the fool outside who can only scratch the bullet proof glass and wonder.. is there a way in at all??!?
Sorry but im not the one out of touch. Check out any new Mac desktop or the Dell Latitude range of notebooks. And yes, please dont look at entry level below $500 notebooks and tell me they got only 512 MB of ram. Any notebook, over $800 nowadays come with a decent 2 GB of ram, or atleast come with 1gb ram and a free upgrade or a very less expensive upgrade when you buy it for an additional 1 GB of ram.
May be you should check vendors and see the specs before you post.
I beg to differ. For most things, at least if your objective is running apps that dont require sound, and access to external devices like a printer or something then all you need is virtualization. I run Vista X64 with 4 GB or ram. I parallelly run Windows Server 2008 and Ubuntu on this box. I dont seem to have problems doing resource intensive things. Okay well, ive got more ram but still most modern PC's today come with 2 GB ram, so running one more parallel OS should not be a big deal at all, unless and of course you need to print or scan or do something along those lines.
Sorry folks but why reboot? Have you not heard of this thing that is revolutionizing the industry? Its called "virtualization"
Besides, if all I see are political cartoons depicting him, what else should I think of him? With All due respects mr. christian i am offended by the way you forcibly oppress and convert poor people in my country on the pretext of charity. The day you stop your shit here, they day Muslims will stop theirs. Unfortunately neither of you terrorists will do it. Hold on, we atheists are coming to get ya.
Mate, i live in india. While i agree with you that india is not broke ass like some of the african nations it certainly is not a developed or rich country and yes, we have poverty here everywhere! That is fact! Don't look at the cities and do your talking. Count the calories each indian induvidual gets compared to contries like malaysia, amercia, england etc., Your talking is as if india is fed on a silver spoon while its so not because i live here and i know it.
How Ridiculous! In India we dont use toilet paper, we are more cleanly than that. We use Water with is a better cleansing agent than a piece of paper! Having said that your sister must have travelled to remote nameless roadless villages because i live in the city of chennai. Any upscale hotel (that while people who travel stay, the 3 or 5 star ones) would have toilet paper with them. All of our offices have toilet papers in the restroom. My house has toilet papers in the restroom. So does many other people's homes eventhough we seldom use them. Its simply an aspect of understanding that if someone out of the country is visiting they be more comfortable. Expecting everything to be 100% as it is in america when you step out to a poverty ridden third world country like india or africa is madness. Your sister needs to be more mature than this.
Duh! Its called "Super Speed". Copy/Paste from Wiki:- * A Low Speed (1.1, 2.0) rate of 1.5 Mbit/s (187 kB/s) that is mostly used for Human Interface Devices (HID) such as keyboards, mice, and joysticks. * A Full Speed (1.1, 2.0) rate of 12 Mbit/s (1.5 MB/s). Full Speed was the fastest rate before the USB 2.0 specification and many devices fall back to Full Speed. Full Speed devices divide the USB bandwidth between them in a first-come first-served basis and it is not uncommon to run out of bandwidth with several isochronous devices. All USB Hubs support Full Speed. * A Hi-Speed (2.0) rate of 480 Mbit/s (60 MB/s). Experimental data rate: * A Super-Speed (3.0) rate of 4.8 Gbit/s (600 MB/s). The USB 3.0 specification will be released by Intel and its partners in mid 2008 according to early reports from CNET news. According to Intel, bus speeds will be 10 times faster than USB 2.0 due to the inclusion of a fiber optic link that works with traditional copper connectors. Products using the 3.0 specification are likely to arrive in 2009 or 2010.
Perhaps you are the only one complaining so about this. I run vista with a wireless setup perfectly fine. I guess you dont know what "checking drivers" and "checking with hardware vendor" or even "calling support" is. Well now that you have posted how vista looses your IP address you may have your 2 seconds of fame at this sladshot forum but sorry to say that you need to try harder.
You must be the real american who knows how to shout your mouth off with all the nonsense you can aren't you? Why dont you shut up and stop making yourself look so smart ass when you are so not? People, i live in india. While conditions may not be as great as your dollar rich USA is it certainly is not as pathetic as the Anonymous Coward tells you. (no wonder he is an anonymous coward) Cows, Dogs, Sheep do take to the road here and yes that is normal in india. That is what india is all about. Livestock is also transport here. People still use bullock cards to transport material. Although this is not common a sight to see nowadays it still exists and is fading away. However what was told about bikes is right. I personally use a bike. Car would mean longer travel times and bikes are easier to navigate. That does not mean indians should not have the right to the luxury of cars, does it? Tata understands this better and what they are doing is great. yes it will add to more pollution and fuel consumption but that needs to be addressed with alternative fuel sources. You cant just deny shit to people because its scarce and it may become even more scarce if its over used. Thats ridiculous. India is fast developing and the infrastructure we had 5 years back is nothing and what we have now is on par with most developing nations and its only getting better by the day. Hey, after all we have all of your high paying computer jobs from all over the world. We sure got the money to build better roads and flyovers, and we are doing it already big time.
Well said on this one. I work for a Storage Major as a Support Specialist. Yesterday i had a client ask me what a "OU" (Organizational Unit) was in the Active Directory, when i asked her to change some security credentials on the OU for your CDP solution to work. Guess what her email Signature Reads "Storage Architect - Windows" :-(
People like these are the ones that come around here bashing Microsoft. While Microsoft in itself is no hero in security the advancements in terms of security they made has been tremendous post the "Trustworthy Computing" initiative a few years back.
As for the Initiative itself goes its very similar to the ones for Vista and IIS and Windows Server 2008 in recent days. The company feels its more ideal to work hand in hand with the developers and users who use their software day to day. Remember 70% of all Web servers that use SSH / SSL based deployments prefer IIS on windows rather than Apache whom otherwise have the majority market share.
That goes to say simply that Web Admins don't trust Apache with SSL deployments on their pages. This is fact. Go goggle it and you would get truck loads of simple numbers and if you are not lost in bashing Microsoft to death then you may actually get to read some simple figures that would make some sense.