> Look, it may be a "well known bug", but it's still a gaping security >hole that got installed with the default RedHat distro. I can foresee >a *lot* of situations where this sort of thing would bite a company >on the ass. Maybe I'm a new admin. Maybe I'm busy and don't keep up >on the latest bug reports. Maybe I just forgot or didn't know how to >work around it. The point is, this isn't something I should have to >deal with.
Then you should be fired for not performing your job. Companies *DON'T* need deadwood like you in positions like yours. In fact this may be an unexepected benefit of the move to adopt linux. You can expect to see people with the PC Week staff mentality seem to have get fired over making outright stupid blunders like this. Does anyone think that the idoits who set this "test" up for PC Week would be working for a company 24 hours later after this kind of major fuckup on their part? Especally when they tell the bosses, "Well we were too lazy to bother with actually doing what you hired us for"?
>God knows that _I_, at least, am sick of seeing AC's posting 'yes, >but M$ bought them off' as 50% of the commentary on ZDNET stories, >for instance.
Explain then the various crappy Ziff-Davis "Editor Choice" awards that *ALWAYS* seem to go to the Microsoft product even when the "review" pretty much admits that the non-microsoft product is better. You can't.
>Think way, way back... they did produce THE version of BASIC back in >the days of 8-bit CPUs!
Not on the 8-bit Atari computers, since Atari 8-bit machines came their own version of BASIC. In fact Microsoft BASIC was never very popular among Atari 8-bit users.
This public service message has been paid for by the fine folks at MicroSoft, who we all know have *EVERYONE'S* best interests at heart, including IBM.
> what is PC Week? It is a magazine oriented towards Windows users. >Actually, it's a magazine for managers of PC networks, not "Windows >This means lots of Novell, NT, and Linux coverage. Those are pretty >much the most popular PC server platforms right now. Most of the
You've *NEVER* read a single issue of PC Week, have you? It's nothing but a Windows-orinated magazine and has been since Day 1 of it's publication. That mag knows only one thing and it's Windows. To claim that this mag has lots of Novell and Linux coverage is laughable. PC Week has never been a platform-neutral magazine like the old Byte and Compute! mags were. To imply otherwise is a flat-out lie.
>I think there will be a steady need for new features as broadband >reaches more and more people. Just as the Internet has caused many >applications to become "net aware" and spawned many new features >(such as your CD player to fetch track names from CDDB) the next >level of access will do even more. I'm sure we'll all be disappointed >someday application sharing over the internet, or doesn't support the >newest lossless graphic standard.
Speak for yourself. I for one could care less about my CD player to being able to fetch track names from CDDB. It's not the reason I bought the CD player, and it's most definately not a feature I would be looking for in a CD player. The same goes for the rest of your nonsense you are babbling about here. A lot of these "features" are flat out useless in everyday life, and you really won't see them implemented on a very large scale if they turn out to be like Active X and Javascript which more and more people are finding out to be incredably anoying.
>I wonder if similar IP's will get cracked as well this time. But >seriously, i think that these don't really help anybody very well. >I'm mean what can they really tell us?
Absolutely nothing. The only thing this can show is just incompent PC Week Labs is when it comes to real-world computer issues. Let's be brutally honest here. PC Week Labs is trying to play in an arena that's way over their heads. I guess they (PC Week Labs) somehow thinks this kind of stunt will raise their credibilty within the Unix/Linux/BSD world within which anything found in PC Week is widely viewed as a huge joke.
>I seriously doubt that drug dealers are that big a problem at >internet cafes... and if they are... it doesn't matter anyway because >they'll just follow their customers to their next hang-out spot.
Want to bet? Drug dealers are most likely to find the brain-dead types who want to try the lastest stuff at internet cafes if 90% of the posts bitching about the curfew are any indication of the stupidity of the script-kiddies that hang out at these places.
As for the drug dealers following when people leave, just have the cops follow them when they leave...
>They'd HAVE to bring one back. If they did, and they could get it to >live here, you know people would be rushing to Europa to bring Buffy >and Tad Europan Guppies. It could actually be a new gold gold rush >and herald in mythical interplanetary travel.
Or go down in history (assuming there's anybody left to write it) as the biggest blunder ever commited by the human race. I take it you've never seen any of the "Planet of the Apes" movies. There's a reason why chimps and other apes were adopted as pets by humans....
>Gotta admit I'm a little confused here. If you have a computationally >intensive task, why would you ever want to run it through any VM or >interpreter?
The answer is you *DON'T*. This is basically crap from the JAVA crowd trying to pretend that JAVA is actually something you'll actually want to use in the real world. The Amiga Arexx crowd used run around pulling the same kind of stunts too. I wouldn't be too surprised to discover if in fact a large number of the JAVA advocates posting here also ran around adovacating the use of AREXX for *everything* on the Amiga, no matter how silly it was.
>These shifts in political power at Amiga Inc. are every bit as >relevant to a final product as pushing that product out the door.
Relevant to who? Certainly not former Amiga owners like myself who are now quite happly running linux on a PC and have no intention of ever buying another Amiga again no matter who makes it. My attitude towards the Amiga ever since the video production crowd got a hold of it and killed it as a viable general interest platform has been "Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me"
>What makes you think cable tv still worked after the earthquake in >turkey. About payment, cable tv is not free either.
Hey jerk, who said *ANYTHING* about (or paying for) cable tv? The TV set at work connects to a roof-top antenna.
As for hearing about the events I mentioned, SURE you did. After they had made the news over radio and TV. Face it, internet based-news and TV services are pretty much a scam aimed at yuppies who think crap like Star Trek: The Next Generation and it's 3rd rate clones are kool....
>From there its just a small step to abandon conventional TV all >together.
Sorry techno-dweeb, it will never happen. Why you ask? Simple. Just look at what happened in Turkey. Your internet based tv would be useless as a means of conveying real information and news to the masses. A perfect example of this just occurred in the US when JFK jr's plane went down. I was at work when I heard about on the TV set in the lunchroom. No hassling with (or paying for) silly internet connections involved at all.
>I don't see why so many people are so eager to drag Stallman down and >kick him a few dozen times or so.
Because just like most of the Trekkies, Stallman brings this kind of abuse on himself with his attuide. There's a reason why SF (notice I said SF, not Sci-fi) fans and writers don't like Trekkies. Just ask someone like say Harlan Ellison for instance what he thinks about Trekkies...
>Yeah.. Sure. Well, whatever. There has been free software for a >while, yes, but up until now, who has paid attention to any of it? >The public? Certainly not.
Really? Why don't you ask the people who grew up using the Apple II's,Atari-8 bit and the Vic-20/Comodore 64 computers? There was a great deal of free software for these machines, and a lot of it had nothing to do with the FSF. In fact a lot of it was around before the FSF even existed.
>The flaw in this argument is that the legality of the GPL is very >dodgy. It's never been tested.
Wrong. It's never been tested as you put it because the person who would contest it would lose. The GPL spells out exactly what the terms of useage are of anything placed under it. Given the wide-spread use of GPL'ed software the argument that people don't know what these terms are can't be made either.
>Linux is nothing more than a job protection programme for nerds, who >insist on the idea that every computer user types in stuff like: gcc >-La.out -vi -OMyThing.o -kMyProgram.cpp -1 -2q...
Really? I pretty much just type "make" myself these days....
>Every article by the general media has misrepresented this issue.
And why is this? I'll tell you why. It's because of morons like yourself who ran around yelling that people should refer to Linux as "GNU/Linux" Well, people *ARE* using the term "GNU/Linux". It's just not working out as you dolts thought it would. The fact of the matter is that among Linux users the word/phrase/term "Linux" refers to both the kernel and the OS. Like a number of words the meaning of the term "Linux" changes as the way it is referred to/used by people changes. American English is full of this kind of thing. I suggest you learn something about it before posting more of your nonsense concering "critical issues" concering the use of the word "Linux" by others.
>Makes that BSD licence look better every day. Too bad it's not the >"in" thing for people to be promoting, even though many developers >prefer it for these types of reasons.
Who cares? These "developers" have been ripping off other people's work and then screaming about "software piracy" for way too long. I'm glad to see people are embracing the GPL more and more and telling scumbags like yourself to fuck off. It's long overdue.
> And just look at the redhat errata page for 6.0. It's great that >they at least update their mistakes and I know RedHat obviously >doens't make most of these programs, but perhaps it would be nice to >test all these bleeding-edge packages instead of waiting for some >security organization to tell them there's another buffer overflow >warning in their version of something?
And how would one go about testing these programs when everyone who run RedHat (or anyother linux dist) may not run (or even install) these packages? Sorry idiot, but the only way you're going to discover these kinds of bugs in these programs is from people actually using them in the real world and not from some half-cocked testing scheme. And If you haven't noticed, the RedHat errata pages just don't apply to the RedHat dist. If something shows up on the RedHat errata page and you're using another dist, you better stop and check to see if it doesn't apply to the dist you are using, because chances are 80% to 90% of the time it will.
Bullshit. Those days are over. I for one *don't* want 2 or 3 machines lying around gathering dust anymore. I own a Playstation and so I'll wait untill the PS2 comes out before I'll even consider buying a new machine.
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> Look, it may be a "well known bug", but it's still a gaping security >hole that got installed with the default RedHat distro. I can foresee >a *lot* of situations where this sort of thing would bite a company >on the ass. Maybe I'm a new admin. Maybe I'm busy and don't keep up >on the latest bug reports. Maybe I just forgot or didn't know how to >work around it. The point is, this isn't something I should have to >deal with.
Then you should be fired for not performing your job. Companies *DON'T* need deadwood like you in positions like yours. In fact this may be an unexepected benefit of the move to adopt linux. You can expect to see people with the PC Week staff mentality seem to have get fired over making outright stupid blunders like this. Does anyone think that the idoits who set this "test" up for PC Week would be working for a company 24 hours later after this kind of major fuckup on their part? Especally when they tell the bosses, "Well we were too lazy to bother with actually doing what you hired us for"?
>God knows that _I_, at least, am sick of seeing AC's posting 'yes, >but M$ bought them off' as 50% of the commentary on ZDNET stories, >for instance.
Explain then the various crappy Ziff-Davis "Editor Choice" awards that *ALWAYS* seem to go to the Microsoft product even when the "review" pretty much admits that the non-microsoft product is better. You can't.
>Think way, way back ... they did produce THE version of BASIC back in >the days of 8-bit CPUs!
Not on the 8-bit Atari computers, since Atari 8-bit machines came their own version of BASIC. In fact Microsoft BASIC was never very popular among Atari 8-bit users.
This public service message has been paid for by the fine folks at MicroSoft, who we all know have *EVERYONE'S* best interests at heart, including IBM.
> what is PC Week? It is a magazine oriented towards Windows users. >Actually, it's a magazine for managers of PC networks, not "Windows >This means lots of Novell, NT, and Linux coverage. Those are pretty >much the most popular PC server platforms right now. Most of the
You've *NEVER* read a single issue of PC Week, have you? It's nothing but a Windows-orinated magazine and has been since Day 1 of it's publication. That mag knows only one thing and it's Windows. To claim that this mag has lots of Novell and Linux coverage is laughable. PC Week has never been a platform-neutral magazine like the old Byte and Compute! mags were. To imply otherwise is a flat-out lie.
>I think there will be a steady need for new features as broadband >reaches more and more people. Just as the Internet has caused many >applications to become "net aware" and spawned many new features >(such as your CD player to fetch track names from CDDB) the next >level of access will do even more. I'm sure we'll all be disappointed >someday application sharing over the internet, or doesn't support the >newest lossless graphic standard.
Speak for yourself. I for one could care less about my CD player to being able to fetch track names from CDDB. It's not the reason I bought the CD player, and it's most definately not a feature I would be looking for in a CD player. The same goes for the rest of your nonsense you are babbling about here. A lot of these "features" are flat out useless in everyday life, and you really won't see them implemented on a very large scale if they turn out to be like Active X and Javascript which more and more people are finding out to be incredably anoying.
>Meanwhile, the NSA is chuckling to themselves, as they compile files >on everyone's sex lives...
If it means nailing freaks like you, I'm all for it. Go to hell and fuck the horse you rode in on. (But you're already doing that I reckon)
>I wonder if similar IP's will get cracked as well this time. But >seriously, i think that these don't really help anybody very well. >I'm mean what can they really tell us?
Absolutely nothing. The only thing this can show is just incompent PC Week Labs is when it comes to real-world computer issues. Let's be brutally honest here. PC Week Labs is trying to play in an arena that's way over their heads. I guess they (PC Week Labs) somehow thinks this kind of stunt will raise their credibilty within the Unix/Linux/BSD world within which anything found in PC Week is widely viewed as a huge joke.
>I seriously doubt that drug dealers are that big a problem at >internet cafes... and if they are... it doesn't matter anyway because >they'll just follow their customers to their next hang-out spot.
Want to bet? Drug dealers are most likely to find the brain-dead types who want to try the lastest stuff at internet cafes if 90% of the posts bitching about the curfew are any indication of the stupidity of the script-kiddies that hang out at these places.
As for the drug dealers following when people leave, just have the cops follow them when they leave...
>They'd HAVE to bring one back. If they did, and they could get it to >live here, you know people would be rushing to Europa to bring Buffy >and Tad Europan Guppies. It could actually be a new gold gold rush >and herald in mythical interplanetary travel.
Or go down in history (assuming there's anybody left to write it) as the biggest blunder ever commited by the human race. I take it you've never seen any of the "Planet of the Apes" movies. There's a reason why chimps and other apes were adopted as pets by humans....
>Gotta admit I'm a little confused here. If you have a computationally >intensive task, why would you ever want to run it through any VM or >interpreter?
The answer is you *DON'T*. This is basically crap from the JAVA crowd trying to pretend that JAVA is actually something you'll actually want to use in the real world. The Amiga Arexx crowd used run around pulling the same kind of stunts too. I wouldn't be too surprised to discover if in fact a large number of the JAVA advocates posting here also ran around adovacating the use of AREXX for *everything* on the Amiga, no matter how silly it was.
>These shifts in political power at Amiga Inc. are every bit as >relevant to a final product as pushing that product out the door.
Relevant to who? Certainly not former Amiga owners like myself who are now quite happly running linux on a PC and have no intention of ever buying another Amiga again no matter who makes it. My attitude towards the Amiga ever since the video production crowd got a hold of it and killed it as a viable general interest platform has been "Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me"
>What makes you think cable tv still worked after the earthquake in >turkey. About payment, cable tv is not free either.
Hey jerk, who said *ANYTHING* about (or paying for) cable tv? The TV set at work connects to a roof-top antenna.
As for hearing about the events I mentioned, SURE you did. After they had made the news over radio and TV. Face it, internet based-news and TV services are pretty much a scam aimed at yuppies who think crap like Star Trek: The Next Generation and it's 3rd rate clones are kool....
>From there its just a small step to abandon conventional TV all >together.
Sorry techno-dweeb, it will never happen. Why you ask? Simple. Just look at what happened in Turkey. Your internet based tv would be useless as a means of conveying real information and news to the masses. A perfect example of this just occurred in the US when JFK jr's plane went down. I was at work when I heard about on the TV set in the lunchroom. No hassling with (or paying for) silly internet connections involved at all.
>I don't see why so many people are so eager to drag Stallman down and >kick him a few dozen times or so.
Because just like most of the Trekkies, Stallman brings this kind of abuse on himself with his attuide. There's a reason why SF (notice I said SF, not Sci-fi) fans and writers don't like Trekkies. Just ask someone like say Harlan Ellison for instance what he thinks about Trekkies...
>Yeah.. Sure. Well, whatever. There has been free software for a >while, yes, but up until now, who has paid attention to any of it? >The public? Certainly not.
Really? Why don't you ask the people who grew up using the Apple II's,Atari-8 bit and the Vic-20/Comodore 64 computers? There was a great deal of free software for these machines, and a lot of it had nothing to do with the FSF. In fact a lot of it was around before the FSF even existed.
>The flaw in this argument is that the legality of the GPL is very >dodgy. It's never been tested.
Wrong. It's never been tested as you put it because the person who would contest it would lose. The GPL spells out exactly what the terms of useage are of anything placed under it. Given the wide-spread use of GPL'ed software the argument that people don't know what these terms are can't be made either.
>Linux is nothing more than a job protection programme for nerds, who >insist on the idea that every computer user types in stuff like: gcc >-La.out -vi -OMyThing.o -kMyProgram.cpp -1 -2q ...
Really? I pretty much just type "make" myself these days....
>Every article by the general media has misrepresented this issue.
And why is this? I'll tell you why. It's because of morons like yourself who ran around yelling that people should refer to Linux as "GNU/Linux" Well, people *ARE* using the term "GNU/Linux". It's just not working out as you dolts thought it would. The fact of the matter is that among Linux users the word/phrase/term "Linux" refers to both the kernel and the OS. Like a number of words the meaning of the term "Linux" changes as the way it is referred to/used by people changes. American English is full of this kind of thing. I suggest you learn something about it before posting more of your nonsense concering "critical issues" concering the use of the word "Linux" by others.
>I have this vision of RMS grinding his teeth and launching himself at >his CRT while screaming.
I guess he never heard "Be careful of what you wish for, you just might get it..."
>Makes that BSD licence look better every day. Too bad it's not the >"in" thing for people to be promoting, even though many developers >prefer it for these types of reasons.
Who cares? These "developers" have been ripping off other people's work and then screaming about "software piracy" for way too long. I'm glad to see people are embracing the GPL more and more and telling scumbags like yourself to fuck off. It's long overdue.
> And just look at the redhat errata page for 6.0. It's great that >they at least update their mistakes and I know RedHat obviously >doens't make most of these programs, but perhaps it would be nice to >test all these bleeding-edge packages instead of waiting for some >security organization to tell them there's another buffer overflow >warning in their version of something?
And how would one go about testing these programs when everyone who run RedHat (or anyother linux dist) may not run (or even install) these packages? Sorry idiot, but the only way you're going to discover these kinds of bugs in these programs is from people actually using them in the real world and not from some half-cocked testing scheme. And If you haven't noticed, the RedHat errata pages just don't apply to the RedHat dist. If something shows up on the RedHat errata page and you're using another dist, you better stop and check to see if it doesn't apply to the dist you are using, because chances are 80% to 90% of the time it will.
Bullshit. Those days are over. I for one *don't* want 2 or 3 machines lying around gathering dust anymore. I own a Playstation and so I'll wait untill the PS2 comes out before I'll even consider buying a new machine.
This should really read Use Java on Solaris - Because most Linux users don't really give a shit about Java...
>However C lacks many of the features that are the most useful and >that C++ adds.
Will you C++ users give it a rest? I swear you people are becoming just as anoying as the Java/ Amiga Arexx users....