No you don't. Remember American history? We didn't beat the Brits by playing by *THEIR* rules.
We Linux users have absolutely *NO* interest in helping MicroSoft and Mindcraft dig themselves out of the mess they've created for themselves.
No one who uses linux asked Mindcraft to run these tests, much less rig them....That was MicroSoft's doing...
In other if anyone who uses linux and claims that we should take part in these "tests" it should be pretty obivious that this so-called "linux user" is nothing more than a agent working for either Microsoft and/or Mindcraft.
>nothing wrong with a bit of 'healthy' competition
Whoever said anything with MircoSoft involment was 'healthy'? Certainly not anyone who's familar with MicroSoft's history and it's behavor in the DOJ trial in presenting rigged tests there also....
> If this is serious an not just some MS bs, then the Linux community better make an effort to meet the challenge
Nope, the proper response should be to remember the old saying "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me...." and tell MicroSoft,Mindcraft and their supporters to go to hell.
Rememeber people, Microsoft and it's lacky Mindcraft have virtually destroyed the concept of benchmark testing. After the rigged test that MicroSoft paid Mindcraft to create, no one is taking the results of benchmark testing seriously any more, or at least questioning the results of such tests. This is a * VERY GOOD THING* to happen and it's long overdue. On the other hand, companies like MicroSoft which clearly depend on the results of rigged benchmark tests like the Mindcraft test are now horrified by this change and are desperate to sucker people into thinking that these kinds of tests have any real-world meaning whatsoever. Hence their WWW page concering the Mindcraft tests.
You're missing the point. You are trying to push multimedia focused GUI's to people who really don't give a damn about them. All this crap about BE and multimedia will only have one effect, it'll pretty much doom BE to the same status as another "Multimedia" OS, namely the Amiga. Those who refuse to learn from the history are doomed to repeat it over and over and over and over again.....
Of course the hype is too much. We all know how the Phantom Menace storyline ends. The Jedi lose. A. Skywalker will become Darth Vader. Obi-wan will become a hermit and so forth.....
>This will become more of a problem as the Hurd matures. The HURD really doesn't matter any more. It's time has come and gone. History has passed it by. The future is with Linux and the various BSD's, not the HURD. Get over it.
>I think both sites make the point in their FAQs that if you put a VCR >between the box and the TV then you can transfer stuff from memory to tape. If you are going to be using a VCR to record programs from this box to play back later, what's the point of shelling out $500-$700 dollars for this box? There really doesn't to seem to be much of a real-world reason to run out and buy either of these boxes...
Don't see how the concept could really work in the real world. Wouldn't it require the software to establish an internet connection every time it's started up? If so, this could get real expensive *real* fast, especially for people who subscribe to services like AOL ect. I won't even go into the issue of running the software on computers that's not connected to the internet at all...
It's worse than that. Why go through all this hassle to see a movie which isn't really that good when you'll be able to rent it from BlockBuster on video tape for about 3 bucks within 2 or three months after it's released?
You aren't fighting for developers. You're fighting for the developers of Windows-style crippled shareware which is dead as a doornail in the linux universe because linux users pretty much want nothing to do with it. Don't confuse Debian with the vermin who sell windows shareware cd roms. Debian and those guys have nothing in common.
>Obviously, the author of the previous remark has no significant experience in writing proper C++. There *IS* no such thing as "proper" C++. All C++ is pretty much garabge, plain and simple. The only people who doesn't seem to have realized this yet is the microsoft crowd.
Gee Whiz. A so-called expert who doesn't have a clue to what's going on with something,but thinks he knows anyway. Boy do I feel sorry for the people who are actually stupid enough to listen to people like you. The fact is that while certain people may "scream" for IPO as you put it doesn't mean the folks at RedHat will listen to them. The people investing in RedHat know far better than anyone else know the grief involved with IPO's these days far exceed any benefits. Just look at what happened to the sucessful privately held companies that literly went down the tubes because of IPO's.
Don't kid yourself. There still would be very little real interest in this kind of nonsense. The price of admission (bad pun I know) is still far,far too high.
If you actually think that Yahoo!, Amazon, etc. is going to make a single dime in terms of REAL MONEY, you're a bigger fool than you look. It's not in their interests to actually make money/turn a profit. Watch out for some pretty creative book keeping from a lot of these highly-hyped "Internet-Focused Companies"
Total Bullshit. Download and compile the latest version of the Lynx WWW browser source code. This is a great test for Unix compatibility on any system. Guess what? It compiles perfectly on my RedHat 5.2 system.
Let's be honest about this. The only people who have a problem with RedHat are the people who use outdated Linux dists like Slackware. Many of the Slackware users seem to be similar to the Amiga users who sat around yelling about how great the Amiga was doing in Europe while people were abandoning the Amiga in droves in the US. A lot of people (myself included) don't like Slackware for a *HUGE* number of reasons. But you don't really see the users of the other dists put down Slackware like the Slackware users put down RedHat and the other dists.
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Actually, what you're seeing is the beginning of the end of the sway/influnce the "computer journalists" once had over the market,and people like yourself don't like it. Once you guys could write trash putting down computers like the Amiga and Atari ST and operating systems like OS/2 in magazine articles and get away with it, because the Amiga,ST and OS/2 users really didn't have anything like Slashdot. Nowdays, though when you clowns post your crap, people find out about it as soon as you release your bullshit and are perfectly willing to shoot it and you down in flames. If this makes the editors of the various magazine think twice or more about publishing this kind of crap articles in their magazines because they are afraid of the fallout and the damage that may result to the reputations of their magazines, so much the better. People like you should be afraid of the kind of Advocacy that you are complaing about.
That's because Wintelphiles are a bunch of know-nothing morons who try to write or talk about things they have no knowlege of. The Mindcraft hoax is a perfect example of this.
>The US Postal Service has been hurt by the increased use of e-mail. Really? With things like the Melissa email virus flying around, you're going to see more and more people going back to using the US Postal Service and other companies for important mail deliveries. The idea that anyone is going to trust their important documents via Microsoft Software is becoming more and more laughable each day.
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>... you gotta answer these sorts of challenges.
No you don't. Remember American history? We didn't beat the Brits by playing by *THEIR* rules.
We Linux users have absolutely *NO* interest in helping MicroSoft and Mindcraft dig themselves out of the mess they've created for themselves.
No one who uses linux asked Mindcraft to run these tests, much less rig them....That was MicroSoft's doing...
In other if anyone who uses linux and claims that we should take part in these "tests" it should be pretty obivious that this so-called "linux user" is nothing more than a agent working for either Microsoft and/or Mindcraft.
>nothing wrong with a bit of 'healthy' competition
Whoever said anything with MircoSoft involment was 'healthy'? Certainly not anyone who's familar with MicroSoft's history and it's behavor in the DOJ trial in presenting rigged tests there also....
>The good Mr Phipps works for, hehehe, IBM. I leave it up you to interpret this.:)
You mean there's a bunch of people over at IBM who's laughing themselves sick right about now?
> If this is serious an not just some MS bs, then the Linux community better make an effort to meet the challenge
Nope, the proper response should be to remember the old saying "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me...." and tell MicroSoft,Mindcraft and their supporters to go to hell.
Rememeber people, Microsoft and it's lacky Mindcraft have virtually destroyed the concept of benchmark testing. After the rigged test that MicroSoft paid Mindcraft to create, no one is taking the results of benchmark testing seriously any more, or at least questioning the results of such tests. This is a * VERY GOOD THING* to happen and it's long overdue. On the other hand, companies like MicroSoft which clearly depend on the results of rigged benchmark tests like the Mindcraft test are now horrified by this change and are desperate to sucker people into thinking that these kinds of tests have any real-world meaning whatsoever. Hence their WWW page concering the Mindcraft tests.
You're missing the point. You are trying to push multimedia focused GUI's to people who really don't give a damn about them. All this crap about BE and multimedia will only have one effect, it'll pretty much doom BE to the same status as another "Multimedia" OS, namely the Amiga. Those who refuse to learn from the history are doomed to repeat it over and over and over and over again.....
You're wrong. Leia was adopted into the royal family. The Queen you're refering to isn't her mother.
You're wrong. Leia was adopted into the royal family. The Queen isn't her mother.
Of course the hype is too much. We all know how the Phantom Menace storyline ends. The Jedi lose. A. Skywalker will become Darth Vader. Obi-wan will become a hermit and so forth.....
>This will become more of a problem as the Hurd matures. The HURD really doesn't matter any more. It's time has come and gone. History has passed it by. The future is with Linux and the various BSD's, not the HURD. Get over it.
>I think both sites make the point in their FAQs that if you put a VCR >between the box and the TV then you can transfer stuff from memory to tape. If you are going to be using a VCR to record programs from this box to play back later, what's the point of shelling out $500-$700 dollars for this box? There really doesn't to seem to be much of a real-world reason to run out and buy either of these boxes...
And you *ACTUALLY* believe them when they say they aren't collecting user info. More fool you. They're most likely calling it something else....
Don't see how the concept could really work in the real world. Wouldn't it require the software to establish an internet connection every time it's started up? If so, this could get real expensive *real* fast, especially for people who subscribe to services like AOL ect. I won't even go into the issue of running the software on computers that's not connected to the internet at all...
>If car reviews were written like software reviews we'd be seeing
>in-depth recommendations based solely on the quality of paint job.
I take it you haven't seen some of those automovtive review shows that air on cable channels then?
It's worse than that. Why go through all this hassle to see a movie which isn't really that good when you'll be able to rent it from BlockBuster on video tape for about 3 bucks within 2 or three months after it's released?
You aren't fighting for developers. You're fighting for the developers of Windows-style crippled shareware which is dead as a doornail in the linux universe because linux users pretty much want nothing to do with it. Don't confuse Debian with the vermin who sell windows shareware cd roms. Debian and those guys have nothing in common.
>Obviously, the author of the previous remark has no significant experience in writing proper C++. There *IS* no such thing as "proper" C++. All C++ is pretty much garabge, plain and simple. The only people who doesn't seem to have realized this yet is the microsoft crowd.
Gee Whiz. A so-called expert who doesn't have a clue to what's going on with something,but thinks he knows anyway. Boy do I feel sorry for the people who are actually stupid enough to listen to people like you. The fact is that while certain people may "scream" for IPO as you put it doesn't mean the folks at RedHat will listen to them. The people investing in RedHat know far better than anyone else know the grief involved with IPO's these days far exceed any benefits. Just look at what happened to the sucessful privately held companies that literly went down the tubes because of IPO's.
Don't kid yourself. There still would be very little real interest in this kind of nonsense. The price of admission (bad pun I know) is still far,far too high.
If you actually think that Yahoo!, Amazon, etc. is going to make a single dime in terms of REAL MONEY, you're a bigger fool than you look. It's not in their interests to actually make money/turn a profit. Watch out for some pretty creative book keeping from a lot of these highly-hyped "Internet-Focused Companies"
Total Bullshit. Download and compile the latest version of the Lynx WWW browser source code. This is a great test for Unix compatibility on any system. Guess what? It compiles perfectly on my RedHat 5.2 system.
And people are actually taking talk of Win2000 support seriously?
Let's be honest about this. The only people who have a problem with RedHat are the people who use outdated Linux dists like Slackware. Many of the Slackware users seem to be similar to the Amiga users who sat around yelling about how great the Amiga was doing in Europe while people were abandoning the Amiga in droves in the US. A lot of people (myself included) don't like Slackware for a *HUGE* number of reasons. But you don't really see the users of the other dists put down Slackware like the Slackware users put down RedHat and the other dists.
Actually, what you're seeing is the beginning of the end of the sway/influnce the "computer journalists" once had over the market,and people like yourself don't like it. Once you guys could write trash putting down computers like the Amiga and Atari ST and operating systems like OS/2 in magazine articles and get away with it, because the Amiga,ST and OS/2 users really didn't have anything like Slashdot. Nowdays, though when you clowns post your crap, people find out about it as soon as you release your bullshit and are perfectly willing to shoot it and you down in flames. If this makes the editors of the various magazine think twice or more about publishing this kind of crap articles in their magazines because they are afraid of the fallout and the damage that may result to the reputations of their magazines, so much the better. People like you should be afraid of the kind of Advocacy that you are complaing about.
That's because Wintelphiles are a bunch of know-nothing morons who try to write or talk about things they have no knowlege of. The Mindcraft hoax is a perfect example of this.
>The US Postal Service has been hurt by the increased use of e-mail. Really? With things like the Melissa email virus flying around, you're going to see more and more people going back to using the US Postal Service and other companies for important mail deliveries. The idea that anyone is going to trust their important documents via Microsoft Software is becoming more and more laughable each day.