>Name one fundamental _technical_ innovation made by open source in the >last 20 years. (and, no, KDE is not an innovation, it's just a rip-off >of Windows)
Not listening to people like yourself. That's why open source software running on open source operating systems pretty much won't be plagued by things like ILOVEYOU viruses...
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>This could have been easily done in Perl or any other script language >as well so Linux isn't really immune to it (only nobody has never done >it before).
Yo! Tell us all just how this could have been easily done in Perl when the Linux Gnutella clones doesn't and most likely never will execute/run downloaded scripts?
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>You can download the source for several of the clones right now. FURI >is probably the best client out there right now, and it's written in >java and can be run pretty much anywhere.
Crap. Gnut is actually better because it's written in C and thus is better because you don't need JAVA to run it. Get a clue.
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>err...the Linux port hasn't been finished yet. BSD, on the other hand, >*does* have a port, and it *does* have security issues, especially
Wrong. BSD's are no more affected by VBS scripts than Linux is. Also there are a number of Gnutella clones already out that are better than Gnutella. I don't use Gnutella at all, but rather gnut, a cli version of Gnutella.
>OK you name me anouther computer that could do multimedia in 1984 it >certainly wasn't PC, other hme computers either beeped,bleeped or just >plain sucked! Do you dare say Atari as they were offer the Amiga but >turned it down for the 520st and it took them 2 revision to get >anywhwere close!!!
The Atari 8-bits and Commodore 64 were doing this kind of stuff before the Amiga and ST showed up. In fact the Atari-8 bit had some of the most advanced graphics for it's time. Also the sound chips these two machines used weren't anything to sneeze at either.
>AmiNET is the worlds' largest collection of software for any platform, >so I'm told. Remember, Amiga has been around a lot longer than this >linux thing you kids use:)
At least half of AmiNET consits of junk files for the Amiga like mods and the like. Most the other collections like Simtel don't tend to bother with this kind of stuff
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If a single from Madonna's not-yet-released album got released, Madonna's got far bigger problems within her record company. People *THIS WAS AN INSIDE JOB* There's no way a bunch of college kids on Napster are going to pull something like this off. If people can walk off with something like this, what else are they making off with that nobody knows about?
>Internet appliances raise the barrier of entry for new technologies. >This is their main disadvantage, and it's a scary prospect.
For Mircosoft that is. The rest of us won't be too terribly upset over not being forced to upgrade a software package because of some whim to change the file format it uses.
>met with widespread agreement on Slashdot. These days however, a new >wave of Politcal Correctness appears to be sweeping through Slashdot - >when a company decides they want a piece of the Linux action, the >average Slashdot reader responds with "That's great, how far do you >want me to bend over?". As someone who's submitted kernel patches, it >makes me angry that these companies are exploiting my hard work.
Get stuffed Mircosoft Astrotufer. Your dreams of a Microsoft controlled internet are rapidy unraveling and you assholes can't stand the thought of it.
>Unlike the PS2, the x-box won't have any region restrictions, unlike >the PS2. I think region restrictions suck, so I am going to have to go >with the PS2. There are lots of games that are only released to Japan >that I want to play, but Sony denys me access to those games. I am >going to put my money on a console that gives me what I want. That >console is the X-box.
The preceeding is a advertisement by Microsoft Public Relations
>You're right about this. But now the FUD is being employed against >game publishers and developers. Every dollar diverted from a PS2 game >to an X- Box game is a win for Microsoft. At this point, they want the >developers to commit to X-Box. They'll compete for the consumer later.
And who is going to develop for the X-Box? Sony,Sega and Nintendo? Any of the major outfits in Japan who create games for the Sony,Sega and Nintendo platforms? Hardly. So basically you're going to be stuck playing the same crappy PC games on the X-box from EA and the rest that you're playing on the PC now. Basically Doom/Quake Clones. Big fucking deal.
>program or gives bogous results. But how would you notice that your >PGP key doesn't contain 1024 bits of randomness, but only 50? Or even >none? You won't. This type of bug can only be found by code review.
True. And you can get this kind of code review only if people are actually using the software which pretty much isn't the case with PGP with linux. Did you know for instance that Redhat installs GnuPG by default? In other words PGP is on the way to becoming obsolete under linux.
>>And honestly, people. As we all know, these programs are nothing more >>than FTP but automated and with some clever search features. >Actualy, gnutella uses HTTP for file transfers (HTTP rockes:) and >'gnutellanet' for searching.
Still dosen't change the fact that gnutella and it's clones is basically are basically designed as souped-up FTP programs
>Pretty much, until peer-to-peer becomes easy to use, it won't gain a >lot of people. The server/client model is extremely popular because >it's easy to configure and centralized; it's high time for >peer-to-peer to prove itself in the user friendly department. >Mike Greenberg, rambling about stuff he knows little/nothing about >(flames will be unappreciated)
If you want to understand how peer-to-peer works do what most of us did. Read up on the subject. If you don't want to do that, then don't come here wining about the fact.
>servers serve web pages to the public Internet. eBay constantly >advertises asking people to come to their site. It could be argued >that eBay's website is an open accommodation. This is a somewhat >weak legal argument due to the disclaimers that are sure to be >somewhere on www.ebay.com, but legal disclaimers will not apply if >the appeals court rules that their website is an open >accommodation.
To human users? Maybe. To web-based robots? Don't bet on it.
>Honestly, I can't see how they can determine how much wasted resources >is too much..Like matty said, what about these search engines like >yahoo..don't they do the same thing (except perhaps on a smaller >scale) ? >In other words, where do you draw the line between acceptable and not >acceptable..or can you?
Doesn't Yahoo and other search engines generally have permission to perform their searches? These guys apprently didn't and got slapped down for it which is a good thing. The only bad thing in all this is that it could be bad news for Microsoft and the rest the commerical IM software crowd who think they have some right to acess AOL IM servers without AOL's permission.
>I HATE window shading. While the effect is cool and you can read all >of the window's title, it takes up too much fraggin screen space! Not >all of us have multiple monitors or HUGE 21 inch screens. >Iconification is better.
??? Window shading works just fine with a 15 inch monitor. Far less anoying than a bunch of icons.
>Previous P3P specifications did include a protocol to transmit data >There have been NO previous P3P specifications, only draft working >documents. This facility has been removed from the earlier draft >versions of the specification.
A difference which makes no difference is no difference.
>I think it behooves everyone -- particularly the people who run >Slashdot -- to remember that reasonable people can disagree even on >matters of privacy. Sometimes these people don't even live in >James-Bond-Villain style homes with albino cats, plotting how to take >over the world. Good lord, sometimes they're even real people with >real families!
So how do you come to the conclusion that your defense of these people mean these people are trustworthy?
>C'mon Guys, This article is one man's attempt to excuse his own >actions. >My reasons for using free software are simple, I like it. If i didn't, >I'd use something else. He should do the same.
I suspect what people like Meyer really want is for the free software userbase to turn control over things like linux over to them so they can properly "exploit" the resources. Of course we have no intention of doing such a stupid thing, hence Meyer's tract slaming ESR and RMS.
>Q. Is Linux and UNIX impervious to viruses? >A: Three words: Robert Morris' worm.
My memory is a little hazy on this, but wasn't Robert Morris' worm released around 1988 or so? If it was Linux wouldn't have been affected by it any more than it's being affected by the current crop of Mircosoft viruses.....
>Yea! Then instead of fighting a virus every once in a while I can >teach 1500 people how to use a OS and GUI that can barely stand up. >That'll be a lot of fun! >"How do I view this Powerpoint document?"
Well if some in the U.S. Military get their way, you'll be viewing that Powerpoint document while peeling spuds, dude....
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>Name one fundamental _technical_ innovation made by open source in the
>last 20 years. (and, no, KDE is not an innovation, it's just a rip-off
>of Windows)
Not listening to people like yourself. That's why open source software running on open source operating systems pretty much won't be plagued by things like ILOVEYOU viruses...
>This could have been easily done in Perl or any other script language
>as well so Linux isn't really immune to it (only nobody has never done
>it before).
Yo! Tell us all just how this could have been easily done in Perl when the Linux Gnutella clones doesn't and most likely never will execute/run downloaded scripts?
>You can download the source for several of the clones right now. FURI
>is probably the best client out there right now, and it's written in
>java and can be run pretty much anywhere.
Crap. Gnut is actually better because it's written in C and thus is better because you don't need JAVA to run it. Get a clue.
>err...the Linux port hasn't been finished yet. BSD, on the other hand,
>*does* have a port, and it *does* have security issues, especially
Wrong. BSD's are no more affected by VBS scripts than Linux is. Also there are a number of Gnutella clones already out that are better than Gnutella. I don't use Gnutella at all, but rather gnut, a cli version of Gnutella.
>OK you name me anouther computer that could do multimedia in 1984 it
>certainly wasn't PC, other hme computers either beeped,bleeped or just
>plain sucked! Do you dare say Atari as they were offer the Amiga but
>turned it down for the 520st and it took them 2 revision to get
>anywhwere close!!!
The Atari 8-bits and Commodore 64 were doing this kind of stuff before the Amiga and ST showed up. In fact the Atari-8 bit had some of the most advanced graphics for it's time. Also the sound chips these two machines used weren't anything to sneeze at either.
>The Amiga has more PD and Shareware utilities, games and Apps than any :)
>platform.
>Multimedia since 1985. That`s why!
Extremly unlikely since people were creating software for machines running DOS long before the Amiga showed up on the stage.
>AmiNET is the worlds' largest collection of software for any platform, :)
>so I'm told. Remember, Amiga has been around a lot longer than this
>linux thing you kids use
At least half of AmiNET consits of junk files for the Amiga like mods and the like. Most the other collections like Simtel don't tend to bother with this kind of stuff
If a single from Madonna's not-yet-released album got released, Madonna's got far bigger problems within her record company. People *THIS WAS AN INSIDE JOB* There's no way a bunch of college kids on Napster are going to pull something like this off. If people can walk off with something like this, what else are they making off with that nobody knows about?
>Internet appliances raise the barrier of entry for new technologies.
>This is their main disadvantage, and it's a scary prospect.
For Mircosoft that is. The rest of us won't be too terribly upset over not being forced to upgrade a software package because of some whim to change the file format it uses.
>met with widespread agreement on Slashdot. These days however, a new
>wave of Politcal Correctness appears to be sweeping through Slashdot -
>when a company decides they want a piece of the Linux action, the
>average Slashdot reader responds with "That's great, how far do you
>want me to bend over?". As someone who's submitted kernel patches, it
>makes me angry that these companies are exploiting my hard work.
Get stuffed Mircosoft Astrotufer. Your dreams of a Microsoft controlled internet are rapidy unraveling and you assholes can't stand the thought of it.
>Why would Han Solo work on a lightsaber? Remember, hokey religions
>don't beat a good blaster on your side.
For Leia, who can beat the snot out of him if he pisses her off....
*Crash* "Help me Luke!!" "No way, Han...I warned you before. Never upset a Jedi with PMS"
>Unlike the PS2, the x-box won't have any region restrictions, unlike
>the PS2. I think region restrictions suck, so I am going to have to go
>with the PS2. There are lots of games that are only released to Japan
>that I want to play, but Sony denys me access to those games. I am
>going to put my money on a console that gives me what I want. That
>console is the X-box.
The preceeding is a advertisement by Microsoft Public Relations
>You're right about this. But now the FUD is being employed against
>game publishers and developers. Every dollar diverted from a PS2 game
>to an X- Box game is a win for Microsoft. At this point, they want the
>developers to commit to X-Box. They'll compete for the consumer later.
And who is going to develop for the X-Box? Sony,Sega and Nintendo? Any of the major outfits in Japan who create games for the Sony,Sega and Nintendo platforms? Hardly. So basically you're going to be stuck playing the same crappy PC games on the X-box from EA and the rest that you're playing on the PC now. Basically Doom/Quake Clones. Big fucking deal.
>program or gives bogous results. But how would you notice that your
>PGP key doesn't contain 1024 bits of randomness, but only 50? Or even
>none? You won't. This type of bug can only be found by code review.
True. And you can get this kind of code review only if people are actually using the software which pretty much isn't the case with PGP with linux. Did you know for instance that Redhat installs GnuPG by default? In other words PGP is on the way to becoming obsolete under linux.
>Those PGP people are too competent for their own good. If outsiders
>trust PGP too much to check it, everybody loses.
Yeah right. That's why RedHat and other linux dists are shipping with GnuPG instead of PGP these days....
>>And honestly, people. As we all know, these programs are nothing more :) and
>>than FTP but automated and with some clever search features.
>Actualy, gnutella uses HTTP for file transfers (HTTP rockes
>'gnutellanet' for searching.
Still dosen't change the fact that gnutella and it's clones is basically are basically designed as souped-up FTP programs
>Pretty much, until peer-to-peer becomes easy to use, it won't gain a
>lot of people. The server/client model is extremely popular because
>it's easy to configure and centralized; it's high time for
>peer-to-peer to prove itself in the user friendly department.
>Mike Greenberg, rambling about stuff he knows little/nothing about
>(flames will be unappreciated)
If you want to understand how peer-to-peer works do what most of us did. Read up on the subject. If you don't want to do that, then don't come here wining about the fact.
>servers serve web pages to the public Internet. eBay constantly
>advertises asking people to come to their site. It could be argued
>that eBay's website is an open accommodation. This is a somewhat
>weak legal argument due to the disclaimers that are sure to be
>somewhere on www.ebay.com, but legal disclaimers will not apply if
>the appeals court rules that their website is an open
>accommodation.
To human users? Maybe. To web-based robots? Don't bet on it.
>Honestly, I can't see how they can determine how much wasted resources
>is too much..Like matty said, what about these search engines like
>yahoo..don't they do the same thing (except perhaps on a smaller
>scale) ?
>In other words, where do you draw the line between acceptable and not
>acceptable..or can you?
Doesn't Yahoo and other search engines generally have permission to perform their searches? These guys apprently didn't and got slapped down for it which is a good thing. The only bad thing in all this is that it could be bad news for Microsoft and the rest the commerical IM software crowd who think they have some right to acess AOL IM servers without AOL's permission.
>I HATE window shading. While the effect is cool and you can read all
>of the window's title, it takes up too much fraggin screen space! Not
>all of us have multiple monitors or HUGE 21 inch screens.
>Iconification is better.
??? Window shading works just fine with a 15 inch monitor. Far less anoying than a bunch of icons.
>Previous P3P specifications did include a protocol to transmit data
>There have been NO previous P3P specifications, only draft working
>documents. This facility has been removed from the earlier draft
>versions of the specification.
A difference which makes no difference is no difference.
>I think it behooves everyone -- particularly the people who run
>Slashdot -- to remember that reasonable people can disagree even on
>matters of privacy. Sometimes these people don't even live in
>James-Bond-Villain style homes with albino cats, plotting how to take
>over the world. Good lord, sometimes they're even real people with
>real families!
So how do you come to the conclusion that your defense of these people mean these people are trustworthy?
>C'mon Guys, This article is one man's attempt to excuse his own
>actions.
>My reasons for using free software are simple, I like it. If i didn't,
>I'd use something else. He should do the same.
I suspect what people like Meyer really want is for the free software userbase to turn control over things like linux over to them so they can properly "exploit" the resources. Of course we have no intention of doing such a stupid thing, hence Meyer's tract slaming ESR and RMS.
>Q. Is Linux and UNIX impervious to viruses?
>A: Three words: Robert Morris' worm.
My memory is a little hazy on this, but wasn't Robert Morris' worm released around 1988 or so? If it was Linux wouldn't have been affected by it any more than it's being affected by the current crop of Mircosoft viruses.....
>Yea! Then instead of fighting a virus every once in a while I can
>teach 1500 people how to use a OS and GUI that can barely stand up.
>That'll be a lot of fun!
>"How do I view this Powerpoint document?"
Well if some in the U.S. Military get their way, you'll be viewing that Powerpoint document while peeling spuds, dude....