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Does the timing of this strike anyone as being rather odd?
We have the meeting at Stanford Law School on Thursday in an attempt to limit the effectiveness of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 -- a piece of legislation that gives music producers, Hollywood studios and software companies unprecedented powers over the use of copyrighted works, and today the annoucement of this Linux vaporware DVD software magically appears?
>address in. While they are likely to only effect the Windows platform, >it would be just as easy to write a Linux version.
Yeah right. Like there's going to be an e-mail client or software that intergrates itself into Linux like Outlook or IE does under Windows. Get back to fixing your employers shitty software, Microsoft Astroturfer....
>Anyone that thinks Linux is immune from virii is a moron. These are >just simple attachments that dumb people run on their machine. People >can run attachments on any OS, folks. It's the USERS that are stupid, >not the client or the OS.
>superimposed on it, so I stopped to see what it was. The music was apparently Metallica (not sure; I don't do heavy metal), and the Metallica is heavy metal? Kid, The Artist Formally Known As Prince But Is Now Known As Prince Again is more heavy metal than Metallica. Compare Metallica to the metal groups of the late '60s,'70s and early '80s and you'll see just how lame these guys really are.
>Isn't alot of what makes Linux Linux its flexibility? And the point of >a console is for users to beable to pop in the game and hit the on >button? I am not saying that Linux shouldn't be ran on a console, I >just don't think running a linux console system is going to advance >linux any. -eof
I don't see how gaming is going to benefit Linux either. Let's be honest here. There is a growing lack of interest in the PC as a gaming platforming. PC games are becoming too expensive in both terms of both software and hardware resources as well as cost. Take a look at some of the PC games that are out now. 3-4 years ago people would've thought you were crazy if you told them that you're going to need a 400-500mhz machine and 300-400 megs of hardrive space to install and play a freaking game and things are just going to get worse. Hell with it. I'm telling everyone I know to get either a Sony or Sega system if they want to play games.
> the end of free software as we know it. Too bad, RMS. You sucked >anyway.
What do you mean fool? If anything it only applies to users of Borland C++. People who use GCC aren't affected by this at all. If this does anything, it'll ensure that Borland C++ and other commerical compilers will never get much of a toehold in the linux userbase.
>So what if somebody can make a closed version based on it? The >benefits to open software, maintained by a community, are greater than >any one company can provide. It's not like the release of a closed >deriviative of open software removes the open software from the >market! Is Mac OS X really any danger to FreeBSD?
Bullshit. Give one example of how open software, maintained by a community benefits from something like MSCHAP or what Microsoft did to Kerberos?
>> Does Microsoft have *any* actual input into the >> decision-making process/control of GCC? >At least one of their engineers are active one the GCC development >list, which means Microsoft has about as much influence as anyone >else. GCC is run by engineers, not companies. Anyone who can >contribute, is welcome.
> This is only useful to the GPL loving community. >This is just another example of people using "intellectual property" >laws to restrict sharing, just as the GPL restricts sharing.
Thank Microsoft for this. You're going to be seeing more and more of this. After what the slimeballs at Microsoft did to Kerberos, you're going to see very few people release this kind of code under a BSD-type license anymore.
>Microsoft is involved in a lot of things. >They sell the GNU C Compiler (and Motif, for that matter) as part of >the Interix Posix subsystem for NT. So are you going to back away from >GCC because 'evil Microsoft' has touched it?
Does Microsoft have *any* actual input into the decision-making process/control of GCC? What's that? Little or none? Which as things should be.
>Bottom line, I think you're correct that more needs to be done to >support graphics and games in the open-source world. But I also >believe that the game is far from over.
Quake Clones,Quake Clones and more Quake Clones. Who really gives a fuck about PC gaming anymore on PC other than the PC gamers? Do the smart thing and buy a Sega,Nintendo or Sony game box. At least the Japanese systems have better and more interesting games .
>This potentially sounds like a great thing - but I'll wait 'till >people have had a chance to peruse their 'Open Group Public License' >before getting too happy... IANAL, but I would like to see what the >legal eagles among us make of it..
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Microsoft a part of the Open Group? If it is, does anyone think it should be stated in the body of the license agreement that Microsoft-style "Embrace and Extend" efforts are expressly forbidden before the Open Source/Free Software Community agree to any terms involved this effort.
>Nothing would please me more to see some MS lawyers beat the righteous >indignation out of slashdot.
Are you talking about the same lawyers we saw in Jackson's Court? Those guys couldn't beat the fleas out of the Taco Bell Rat, err dog. {That thing *IS* a dog isn't it?}
>taking on Microsoft and perhaps Microsoft miscalculated that VA mgmt >would cave and pull the posts rather than risk an expensive and >disruptive legal battle.
This is exactly what most likely happened. Remember when Mircosoft basically went around stealing the WWW addresses of Windows users web pages? Since nearly all these guys caved in to Mircosoft, Microsoft most likely thought they could pull similar stunts on the non-microsoft user base.
>by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 12, @12:55AM EST (#1218) >It appears that Slashdot has already removed the offending >article at the request of MS. The page is blank. Or else >Slashdot has been hacked. Check the link for yourself - >could just be server overload
Wrong. The article is still on Slashdot. Use a decent WWW browser like lynx to search for information instead of lame GUI browers....
> Exactly. Apparently the compression algorithm is patented, not just a >sample implementation of it. Use the implementation, whether it is >your code or theirs, and you might be violating the patent.
Not so fast. Aren't you forgetting the clones of PKWARE's zip and unzip tools that were created for Unix and other platforms like the Amiga?
>Directory Services could be such a opportunity. Could Linux developers >create a client/server based NOS that does not have to be bent, >twisted, patched, or hacked to work with the leading OS's? Could we >develop a new set of server processes which communicate with >workstations through a custom built client?"
We've all played this silly game for far too long, and a lot of people are tired of it. That's the reason you don't tend to see a lot of interest in such things amongst Linux users IMO anyway.
>They will get true recognition when any small company tries to base a >product on their code and gets sued for copyright violation. >I hate to say it but the GPL inhibits all commercial enterprises.
Since the intent wasn't for scumbags to make a fast buck from this, why are you shedding tears over the fact?
>We just lost a good chance of freeing NVidia's driver. If I >undersand the GPL correctly, but not respecting it, they have lost >ALL of their >rights. Meaning that they cannot even use the Linux kernel. This >could >have been a good chance of forcing them to Free their driver or >menace of suing them.
The intention was never to "free" NVidia's driver. The intent was to state to NVidia and anyone else that if you're not willing to deal with the terms of the GPL you won't be permitted to use GPL code. Anything else wouldn't be fair to companies like IBM,SGI and the others who have released code under the GPL. If NVidia and others want to create closed binary-only drivers they can also spend their own money and time on their delevopment without the use of GPL code. It's their decision and they *SHOULD* be forced to live with it.
>I hope that was a troll. Surely there aren't people that stupid in >the real world.
What's stupid about it? It's common sense. You don't blab details concerning your personal life in a room full of strangers do you? So why should you even consider doing the same thing via email when you *KNOW* there's a very good chance it's being monitored? Because email is the latest techno-dweeb plaything? Give me a break.....
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Does the timing of this strike anyone as being rather odd?
We have the meeting at Stanford Law School on Thursday in an
attempt to limit the effectiveness of the Digital Millennium Copyright
Act of 1998 -- a piece of legislation that gives music producers,
Hollywood studios and software companies unprecedented powers over the
use of copyrighted works, and today the annoucement of this Linux vaporware DVD software magically appears?
Just a fluke?
>address in. While they are likely to only effect the Windows platform,
>it would be just as easy to write a Linux version.
Yeah right. Like there's going to be an e-mail client or software that intergrates itself into Linux like Outlook or IE does under Windows. Get back to fixing your employers shitty software, Microsoft Astroturfer....
>Anyone that thinks Linux is immune from virii is a moron. These are
>just simple attachments that dumb people run on their machine. People
>can run attachments on any OS, folks. It's the USERS that are stupid,
>not the client or the OS.
Use Mutt or Pine on Linux/Unix and then say that.
>News Flash: Invisible Man arrested for indecent exposure, film at 11
You got your tag wrong. It's "News Flash: The Flash arrested for indecent exposure, film at 11"
>superimposed on it, so I stopped to see what it was. The music was
apparently Metallica (not sure; I don't do heavy metal), and the
Metallica is heavy metal? Kid, The Artist Formally Known As Prince But Is Now Known As Prince Again is more heavy metal than Metallica. Compare Metallica to the metal groups of the late '60s,'70s and early '80s and you'll see just how lame these guys really are.
>Isn't alot of what makes Linux Linux its flexibility? And the point of
>a console is for users to beable to pop in the game and hit the on
>button? I am not saying that Linux shouldn't be ran on a console, I
>just don't think running a linux console system is going to advance
>linux any. -eof
I don't see how gaming is going to benefit Linux either. Let's be honest here. There is a growing lack of interest in the PC as a gaming platforming. PC games are becoming too expensive in both terms of both software and hardware resources as well as cost. Take a look at some of the PC games that are out now. 3-4 years ago people would've thought you were crazy if you told them that you're going to need a 400-500mhz machine and 300-400 megs of hardrive space to install and play a freaking game and things are just going to get worse. Hell with it. I'm telling everyone I know to get either a Sony or Sega system if they want to play games.
> the end of free software as we know it. Too bad, RMS. You sucked
>anyway.
What do you mean fool? If anything it only applies to users of Borland C++. People who use GCC aren't affected by this at all. If this does anything, it'll ensure that Borland C++ and other commerical compilers will never get much of a toehold in the linux userbase.
>You sir, are a baboon.
But Star Trek:The Next Generation and it spin-offs along with Trekkies still suck.....
>So what if somebody can make a closed version based on it? The
>benefits to open software, maintained by a community, are greater than
>any one company can provide. It's not like the release of a closed
>deriviative of open software removes the open software from the
>market! Is Mac OS X really any danger to FreeBSD?
Bullshit. Give one example of how open software, maintained by a community benefits from something like MSCHAP or what Microsoft did to Kerberos?
>> Does Microsoft have *any* actual input into the
>> decision-making process/control of GCC?
>At least one of their engineers are active one the GCC development
>list, which means Microsoft has about as much influence as anyone
>else. GCC is run by engineers, not companies. Anyone who can
>contribute, is welcome.
Not the same thing. Nice try though.
> This is only useful to the GPL loving community.
>This is just another example of people using "intellectual property"
>laws to restrict sharing, just as the GPL restricts sharing.
Thank Microsoft for this. You're going to be seeing more and more of this. After what the slimeballs at Microsoft did to Kerberos, you're going to see very few people release this kind of code under a BSD-type license anymore.
>Microsoft is involved in a lot of things.
>They sell the GNU C Compiler (and Motif, for that matter) as part of
>the Interix Posix subsystem for NT. So are you going to back away from
>GCC because 'evil Microsoft' has touched it?
Does Microsoft have *any* actual input into the decision-making process/control of GCC? What's that? Little or none? Which as things should be.
>Bottom line, I think you're correct that more needs to be done to
>support graphics and games in the open-source world. But I also
>believe that the game is far from over.
Quake Clones,Quake Clones and more Quake Clones. Who really gives a fuck about PC gaming anymore on PC other than the PC gamers? Do the smart thing and buy a Sega,Nintendo or Sony game box. At least the Japanese systems have better and more interesting games .
>This potentially sounds like a great thing - but I'll wait 'till
>people have had a chance to peruse their 'Open Group Public License'
>before getting too happy... IANAL, but I would like to see what the
>legal eagles among us make of it..
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Microsoft a part of the Open Group? If it is, does anyone think it should be stated in the body of the license agreement that Microsoft-style "Embrace and Extend" efforts are expressly forbidden before the Open Source/Free Software Community agree to any terms involved this effort.
>Sorry, Bill. No matter what the courts say, at best this battle will
>be a Pyrrhic one.
Especially by the time the case actually make it to the courts. Just look at turover rate of the subjects discussed on Slashdot.
>Nothing would please me more to see some MS lawyers beat the righteous
>indignation out of slashdot.
Are you talking about the same lawyers we saw in Jackson's Court? Those guys couldn't beat the fleas out of the Taco Bell Rat, err dog. {That thing *IS* a dog isn't it?}
>taking on Microsoft and perhaps Microsoft miscalculated that VA mgmt
>would cave and pull the posts rather than risk an expensive and
>disruptive legal battle.
This is exactly what most likely happened. Remember when Mircosoft basically went around stealing the WWW addresses of Windows users web pages? Since nearly all these guys caved in to Mircosoft, Microsoft most likely thought they could pull similar stunts on the non-microsoft user base.
>by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 12, @12:55AM EST (#1218)
>It appears that Slashdot has already removed the offending
>article at the request of MS. The page is blank. Or else
>Slashdot has been hacked. Check the link for yourself -
>could just be server overload
Wrong. The article is still on Slashdot. Use a decent WWW browser like lynx to search for information instead of lame GUI browers....
> Exactly. Apparently the compression algorithm is patented, not just a
>sample implementation of it. Use the implementation, whether it is
>your code or theirs, and you might be violating the patent.
Not so fast. Aren't you forgetting the clones of PKWARE's zip and unzip tools that were created for Unix and other platforms like the Amiga?
>Directory Services could be such a opportunity. Could Linux developers
>create a client/server based NOS that does not have to be bent,
>twisted, patched, or hacked to work with the leading OS's? Could we
>develop a new set of server processes which communicate with
>workstations through a custom built client?"
We've all played this silly game for far too long, and a lot of people are tired of it. That's the reason you don't tend to see a lot of interest in such things amongst Linux users IMO anyway.
>That's funny. When Windows NT 5 was delayed until it was "ready,"
>Linux zealots were laughing their asses off.
And now that's it's been released, we're still laughing.......
>They will get true recognition when any small company tries to base a
>product on their code and gets sued for copyright violation.
>I hate to say it but the GPL inhibits all commercial enterprises.
Since the intent wasn't for scumbags to make a fast buck from this, why are you shedding tears over the fact?
>We just lost a good chance of freeing NVidia's driver. If I
>undersand the GPL correctly, but not respecting it, they have lost >ALL of their
>rights. Meaning that they cannot even use the Linux kernel. This >could
>have been a good chance of forcing them to Free their driver or
>menace of suing them.
The intention was never to "free" NVidia's driver. The intent was to state to NVidia and anyone else that if you're not willing to deal with the terms of the GPL you won't be permitted to use GPL code. Anything else wouldn't be fair to companies like IBM,SGI and the others who have released code under the GPL. If NVidia and others want to create closed binary-only drivers they can also spend their own money and time on their delevopment without the use of GPL code. It's their decision and they *SHOULD* be forced to live with it.
>Very nice thread we have here. It will scare off every company that
>ever considered using GPLed code.
So the Windows Cripple/ShareWare crowd won't be willing to use GPLed code. No great loss here if you ask me.
>I hope that was a troll. Surely there aren't people that stupid in
>the real world.
What's stupid about it? It's common sense. You don't blab details concerning your personal life in a room full of strangers do you? So why should you even consider doing the same thing via email when you *KNOW* there's a very good chance it's being monitored? Because email is the latest techno-dweeb plaything? Give me a break.....