>Besides Eazel and Helix (two projects I have high hopes for, and I've >already been impressed with Helix), how much work/thought has been put >into the user interface? Is there anybody out there currently, >specifically working on the UI for GNOME and programs for GNOME? We're >also talking about more than just pretty graphics, but actual design >of the interface, making it more intuitive (aka, easy enough so the >novice user can figure it out, but still robust enough the expert can >still do what (s)he wants).
Sigh. Will you UI interface lamers give it up? There is no reason on earth why Gnome or Kde for that matter should become the place where UI designers dump their ideas to be tested out.
>It is somewhat annoying that there exists such a rabid vocal linux >following. Just because you disagree, you have to become insulting, >this kind of attitude only hurts all of us that would like to see >wider adoption of linux and other free software.
Spare us please. You Astrotufers got caught red-handed over on the MSNBC Technology Bulletin Board pulling your bullshit: BTW, since when has Microsoft been a 100% Free-BSD / Sun Sparc shop? http://bbs.msnbc.com/bbs/msnbc-scitech/posts/fu/ 139105.asp
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Subject: From: Host: Date: Re: Cut MS some slack Anonymous tide117.microsoft.com Thu Mar 23 15:03:58 On Thu Mar 23 10:43:13, R Jones wrote: > There would be NO internet communication if there wasn't > software like Apache which runs 56% of all > webservers. Apache is 100% totally NOT win32 (yes > you can download a win32 version but they highly don't > recommend it...very unsecure). MSNBC Technology Bulletin Board (p3 of 5) > Go go go Apache....erase IIS4...heh. >
Get a clue. Try benchmarking Apache against iis 5.0.
We did that, thinking it was going to be a joke, since we are a 100% Free-BSD / Sun Sparc shop. Guess what we found. ON IDENTICAL HARDWARE, IIS 5.0 cared 10 times the load. . . Sure apache has large market share, but I have two questions, "for how much longer, and, "what does this have to do with the antitrust case?" As a matter of fact buy writing this email you show that, "THERE IS COMPETITION," and Microsoft therefore is not a monopoly.
>I vote ESR as Leon. He's got the gun thing going for him, too. Hmm. >Now I have to go write that fanfiction idea. (Grin) >Now, what OSes would Nene use? I'm thinking dual boot BeOS/Slackware, >with a nice bright, cheerful bashprompt theme under Linux.
BUMAS running some form of Windows 2000 would be a perfectly logical explaination of why they tend to go berserk...As for Nene it would more likely be some kind of BeOS/Linux/BSD hybid rather than a dual boot type deal. The idea's yours if you want it.....
>RedHat's installation procedure makes it difficult to get started >without creating a normal user account, and makes it uncomfortable to >use a root account for normal work. I don't have any proof that Linux >installations are as often or more often set up correctly than most >Unices, but I don't have much reason to believe the contrary.
This changed with RedHat 6.1. You create a user account along with the root account during the install process. If you're going to slam Redhat for something at least bother finding out something about it first.
>UNFORTUNATELY Perhaps if Microsoft were to be allowed a military wing >(as befits its status as the #1 corporation of the #1 country in the >world) we would see less of this liberal/Socialist BS and regulation, >and a bit more gung-ho good ole fashined US CAPITALISM.
Hmmm...Microsoft changes it name to GENOM? And then Linus's daughter will have to create suits of powered armour and form the Tux Sabers in order to avenge the death of her father...
>>Despite what/.ers seem to think, Microsoft has done a lot of good for >>the computing industry as a whole, making it so that computers have >>moved from being the domain of long-haired hippies at geek enclaves >>like MIT to being available for everyone. >Was it MS? I think IBM played a bigger part. Let's face it, without >IBM, MS would not be as big as it is.
Actually it was Apple,Atari,Commodore and IBM that brought computing to the masses. Micosoft has always played the role of the parasite.
>This community is so hypocritical - The ONLY time Slashdotters would >ever enjoy a court case involving a software or web company is if >Microsoft was at the butting end. Linux needs to win in the >marketplace, it doesn't need help from the courts.
Let's see...people rather enjoyed the prospect of DoubleClick being hauled in front of a court...most of us don't have a problem with script kiddies being locked up/and or being put to death...Linux One certainly doesn't seen to have very fans... All in all I'ld say your comments are nothing but the rantings of a disgrunteled Microsoft Astrotufer.....
> Don't you think 2 stories on redhat 6.2 is a little bit of overkill. >First it is a . release, and second I haven't seen or heard of any >wildly revolutionary changes that even make this noteworthy. >The people that really care were probaly following it anyway.
(1) Actually if you'ld been paying attention, you'ld found out that 6.2 ships with things that the BSD crowd in particular seems to bitch about being defaulted on linux is now defaulted off.
(2) People like talking about the linux dists they use. Sorry if this offends Microsoft Astroturfers like yourself.
(3) Talking about . releases on Slashdot give the various linux dists makers the kind of public feedback that they normally don't get.
(4) I *COULD* continue, but I think you get the point. Sod off....
Re:Really cool long uptimes and all that but ...
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>... does anyone realize how fucking AWESOMELY SLOW linux is to boot? I >suppose this is just not an issue for anyone since they just leave >their computer running *all the time* (unless you're running a server >Geez even Windows 95/98 boots faster.
Not really. Unlike Windows which does nothing but put up an ad for Microshit when it boots up, linux actually informs you what's going on with your system as it boots up. It's great for troubleshooting the system after making changes, unlike Microshit products which leaves you wondering what you did wrong if you screw something up. Next time pay attention to the text on the screen as linux boots up next time, you silly Astrotufer.....
Re:Does this include ftpd,httpd(apache),samba etc
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>it still kills me to see apache and samba running on a machine that >will never use them(not all sysadmins do a good job). Shouldn't these >services be restricted to those that know how to administer them and >also need them. That's what the custom install option RedHat offers is for you dim-witted Microsoft Astroturfer.....
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>Deprecated doesn't mean removed; it's just a recommendation not to use >it anymore and a warning that it might disappear or be replaced in a >future version.
Ok. Was wondering if RedHat would consider releasing the text-based shell/interface for configuring lilo used in the 6.1 install as a stand-alone package. It would make configuring lilo for multi-boot systems a bit easier once you've installed things.
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> SVGALIB > Deprecated because it causes a lot of problems on some systems (try >switching terminals from X to SVGALIB and vice versa on a Matrox G200 >card, for example).
That's no real reason to deprecate it through. Just don't have the installer install it as a default library. Don't remove it from the main cdrom though. It doesn't take up that much space, and it's still widely used.
>I don't see why we're all crying a river over this. They took >electricity that they weren't paying for. That's called stealing. I >hope they get the electric chair. And yes, i see the irony.
Shrug. Think of it as natural selection at work. This is nature's way of weeding out losers who would've gotten killed while provoking a wild animal or doing something equally stupid.
>Dumb move, the ignorant and fearful will often arrest you for >"Hacking" if you point out vunrabilities in there systems. It's a >really sad fact of life. You can be branded a FELON, and convicted too >easily. After that you may get a probation that limits you freedom to >use computers and thus your job options, plus you may become a >convicted felon and not have a right to vote about that or do a lot of >other things. >Gotta love america.
Shrug. Think of it as natural selection at work. This this nature's way of weeding out losers like yourself who would've gotten killed while provoking a wild animal or doing something equally stupid.
Re:SuSE uses betas since linus was born
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>by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 26, @06:43AM EST (#67) >Along all shows like CeBIT and others, you can get a beta from the >current SuSE distro for free. What's the point in the story?
The point is that the vast,vast majority of people *NEVER* attend shows like CeBIT and others for a huge number of reasons.
>I don't see how this decision could be used to thwart Apple's attempts to protect the iMac design and "look" by design patent.
According to the decision, product design cannot obtain protection unless it has "acquired distinctiveness such that the marketplace naturally perceives the design to be a designation of product source".
I don't see how either. Doesn't the design of the iMAC fall under "acquired distinctiveness such that the marketplace naturally perceives the design to be a designation of product source".? In other words wasn't the design of the iMac one of it's big selling/marketing points which really wasn't the case with the Acer Aspire series of computers?
>IANAL, but getting "served" via email can't possibly be legally >binding. They have no way of ascertaining whether or not the message >was received, or who received it (most email servers let you disable >automatic return receipts, don't they?) Best thing to do would be to >completely ignore the email, make sure you delete all records of it >from logs and backups, and later say "Email? What email?"
What happens if the email server the message gets sent to is a Hotmail email adress?.
> >(a) what's wrong with techno? >(b) some of the members of tracking groups were excellent musicians. >don't knock their talent just because you think it makes a good quip >on slashdot.
(a) People like you asked the same thing about Disco. (b)On the other hand there *WAS* some good stuff that came out of Disco. Be hard presed to say the same about techno though. After all what's the techno equalant to "The Bertha Butt Boggie"
>I think what has been lacking is a real scene that drives the need for >tracking utils. North America (which slashdot is pretty centric too) >has never been a huge hot bed of demo's and music. Sure, there were >arists making some cool stuff here but the tracking/demo parties held >in North America were never as big/good as the European counterpart.
You're right. Outside of the Amiga crowd there never was much interest in North America in techno-crap which made the 70's disco song "Disco Duck" sound good.....In case you missed the sarcasm, "Disco Duck" was *HORRIBLE*
>the fallacie in your argument is that Windows is *not* a >graphical-only user interface. My point was is that you can already, >today, in Windows simply say "remove all" or The technology is already >there using plain simple English, without the need to learn cryptic >commands. Linux will never be able to compete with Microsoft in this >area until it too can offer *plain English* voice-activated commands. God. What an idoit you are. The *ONLY* thing in Windows that could be called non-graphical in windows is the MS-DOS prompt and losers like you want the idoits at MickeySoft to get rid of that. Get rid of the MS-DOS prompt and what do you have left? A crappy graphical-only user interface. And in case you didn't know there are already a number of voice-reconigtion software packages for linux. There's ViaVoice speech recognition SDK from IBM. Gvoice - Voice control for Gtk/GNOME is another. And then there's the The Open Mind Speech project and a whole host of others.
>I disagree. Microsoft has made it exponentially easier for a blind >person to use Windows. You dont have to say "Left click coordinate ( >832 , 005 )" You can simply say "Minimize." You can have it read all >text on the screen, as well as the many magnification/high contrast >features microsoft has built-in to Win2k, for those with some sight. >Linux is no less of a hardship to use for blind people than is >Windows, and in many ways, it's still leaps behind. So sayth the Microsoft Astroturfer. Come on, admit it. You don't the slightest clue about the needs of blind people do you? As it has already been pointed out, how can you/what's the point of "Minimizing" something you *CAN'T* see?
>If you are still paying by hand, you're missing. Out. And you don't >need any newfangled dot com site to do it, if you have a reasonably >large bank. Most offer 90% of this functionality.
The only thing I'm missing out on is some idoit e-comerce company knowing who I get bills from. I can live with this. I can also live with not paying them some equally idoitic monthly service fee.
>Not EVERYONE who uses VB is totally incompetent. You make it sound as >if it's completely useless. It does have some very nice uses, although >it'll never be my programming language of choice. >This is an elitist attitude, and THIS is what will keep people from >even WANTING to learn another language. (The attitude of 'well you're >to stupid to learn anything but VB')
These people *ARE* too stupid to learn anything but VB. If they weren't they wouldn't be using VB....
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>Besides Eazel and Helix (two projects I have high hopes for, and I've
>already been impressed with Helix), how much work/thought has been put
>into the user interface? Is there anybody out there currently,
>specifically working on the UI for GNOME and programs for GNOME? We're
>also talking about more than just pretty graphics, but actual design
>of the interface, making it more intuitive (aka, easy enough so the
>novice user can figure it out, but still robust enough the expert can
>still do what (s)he wants).
Sigh. Will you UI interface lamers give it up? There is no reason on earth why Gnome or Kde for that matter should become the place where UI designers dump their ideas to be tested out.
>It is somewhat annoying that there exists such a rabid vocal linux
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>following. Just because you disagree, you have to become insulting,
>this kind of attitude only hurts all of us that would like to see
>wider adoption of linux and other free software.
Spare us please. You Astrotufers got caught red-handed over on the MSNBC Technology Bulletin Board pulling your bullshit: BTW, since when has Microsoft been a 100% Free-BSD / Sun Sparc shop?
http://bbs.msnbc.com/bbs/msnbc-scitech/posts/fu
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From:
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Date: Re: Cut MS some slack
Anonymous
tide117.microsoft.com
Thu Mar 23 15:03:58
On Thu Mar 23 10:43:13, R Jones wrote:
> There would be NO internet communication if there wasn't
> software like Apache which runs 56% of all
> webservers. Apache is 100% totally NOT win32 (yes
> you can download a win32 version but they highly don't
> recommend it...very unsecure).
MSNBC Technology Bulletin Board (p3 of 5)
> Go go go Apache....erase IIS4...heh.
>
Get a clue. Try benchmarking Apache against iis 5.0.
We did that, thinking it was going to be a joke, since we
are a 100% Free-BSD / Sun Sparc shop. Guess what we
found. ON IDENTICAL HARDWARE, IIS 5.0 cared 10 times the
load. . . Sure apache has large market share, but I have
two questions, "for how much longer, and, "what
does this have to do with the antitrust case?" As a
matter of fact buy writing this email you show that,
"THERE IS COMPETITION," and Microsoft therefore
is not a monopoly.
-Systems Administrator
_________________________________________________
>I vote ESR as Leon. He's got the gun thing going for him, too. Hmm.
>Now I have to go write that fanfiction idea. (Grin)
>Now, what OSes would Nene use? I'm thinking dual boot BeOS/Slackware,
>with a nice bright, cheerful bashprompt theme under Linux.
BUMAS running some form of Windows 2000 would be a perfectly logical explaination of why they tend to go berserk...As for Nene it would more likely be some kind of BeOS/Linux/BSD hybid rather than a dual boot type deal. The idea's yours if you want it.....
>RedHat's installation procedure makes it difficult to get started
>without creating a normal user account, and makes it uncomfortable to
>use a root account for normal work. I don't have any proof that Linux
>installations are as often or more often set up correctly than most
>Unices, but I don't have much reason to believe the contrary.
This changed with RedHat 6.1. You create a user account along with the root account during the install process. If you're going to slam Redhat for something at least bother finding out something about it first.
>UNFORTUNATELY Perhaps if Microsoft were to be allowed a military wing
>(as befits its status as the #1 corporation of the #1 country in the
>world) we would see less of this liberal/Socialist BS and regulation,
>and a bit more gung-ho good ole fashined US CAPITALISM.
Hmmm...Microsoft changes it name to GENOM? And then Linus's daughter will have to create suits of powered armour and form the Tux Sabers in order to avenge the death of her father...
>>Despite what
>>the computing industry as a whole, making it so that computers have
>>moved from being the domain of long-haired hippies at geek enclaves
>>like MIT to being available for everyone.
>Was it MS? I think IBM played a bigger part. Let's face it, without
>IBM, MS would not be as big as it is.
Actually it was Apple,Atari,Commodore and IBM that brought computing to the masses. Micosoft has always played the role of the parasite.
>This community is so hypocritical - The ONLY time Slashdotters would
>ever enjoy a court case involving a software or web company is if
>Microsoft was at the butting end. Linux needs to win in the
>marketplace, it doesn't need help from the courts.
Let's see...people rather enjoyed the prospect of DoubleClick being hauled in front of a court...most of us don't have a problem with script kiddies being locked up/and or being put to death...Linux One certainly doesn't seen to have very fans... All in all I'ld say your comments are nothing but the rantings of a disgrunteled Microsoft Astrotufer.....
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
> Don't you think 2 stories on redhat 6.2 is a little bit of overkill.
>First it is a . release, and second I haven't seen or heard of any
>wildly revolutionary changes that even make this noteworthy.
>The people that really care were probaly following it anyway.
(1) Actually if you'ld been paying attention, you'ld found out that 6.2 ships with things that the BSD crowd in particular seems to bitch about being defaulted on linux is now defaulted off.
(2) People like talking about the linux dists they use. Sorry if this offends Microsoft Astroturfers like yourself.
(3) Talking about . releases on Slashdot give the various linux dists makers the kind of public feedback that they normally don't get.
(4) I *COULD* continue, but I think you get the point. Sod off....
>... does anyone realize how fucking AWESOMELY SLOW linux is to boot? I
>suppose this is just not an issue for anyone since they just leave
>their computer running *all the time* (unless you're running a server
>Geez even Windows 95/98 boots faster.
Not really. Unlike Windows which does nothing but put up an ad for Microshit when it boots up, linux actually informs you what's going on with your system as it boots up. It's great for troubleshooting the system after making changes, unlike Microshit products which leaves you wondering what you did wrong if you screw something up. Next time pay attention to the text on the screen as linux boots up next time, you silly Astrotufer.....
>it still kills me to see apache and samba running on a machine that
>will never use them(not all sysadmins do a good job). Shouldn't these
>services be restricted to those that know how to administer them and
>also need them.
That's what the custom install option RedHat offers is for you dim-witted Microsoft Astroturfer.....
>Deprecated doesn't mean removed; it's just a recommendation not to use
>it anymore and a warning that it might disappear or be replaced in a
>future version.
Ok. Was wondering if RedHat would consider releasing the text-based shell/interface for configuring lilo used in the 6.1 install as a stand-alone package. It would make configuring lilo for multi-boot systems a bit easier once you've installed things.
> SVGALIB
> Deprecated because it causes a lot of problems on some systems (try
>switching terminals from X to SVGALIB and vice versa on a Matrox G200
>card, for example).
That's no real reason to deprecate it through. Just don't have the installer install it as a default library. Don't remove it from the main cdrom though. It doesn't take up that much space, and it's still widely used.
>I don't see why we're all crying a river over this. They took
>electricity that they weren't paying for. That's called stealing. I
>hope they get the electric chair. And yes, i see the irony.
Shrug. Think of it as natural selection at work. This is nature's
way of weeding out losers who would've gotten killed
while provoking a wild animal or doing something equally stupid.
>Dumb move, the ignorant and fearful will often arrest you for
>"Hacking" if you point out vunrabilities in there systems. It's a
>really sad fact of life. You can be branded a FELON, and convicted too
>easily. After that you may get a probation that limits you freedom to
>use computers and thus your job options, plus you may become a
>convicted felon and not have a right to vote about that or do a lot of
>other things.
>Gotta love america.
Shrug. Think of it as natural selection at work. This this nature's way of weeding out losers like yourself who would've gotten killed while provoking a wild animal or doing something equally stupid.
>by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 26, @06:43AM EST (#67)
>Along all shows like CeBIT and others, you can get a beta from the
>current SuSE distro for free. What's the point in the story?
The point is that the vast,vast majority of people *NEVER* attend shows like CeBIT and others for a huge number of reasons.
>I don't see how this decision could be used to thwart Apple's attempts
to protect the iMac design and "look" by design patent.
According to the decision, product design cannot obtain protection
unless it has "acquired distinctiveness such that the marketplace
naturally perceives the design to be a designation of product source".
I don't see how either. Doesn't the design of the iMAC fall under "acquired distinctiveness such that the marketplace
naturally perceives the design to be a designation of product source".? In other words wasn't the design of the iMac one of it's big selling/marketing points which really wasn't the case with the Acer Aspire series of computers?
>IANAL, but getting "served" via email can't possibly be legally
>binding. They have no way of ascertaining whether or not the message
>was received, or who received it (most email servers let you disable
>automatic return receipts, don't they?) Best thing to do would be to
>completely ignore the email, make sure you delete all records of it
>from logs and backups, and later say "Email? What email?"
What happens if the email server the message gets sent to is a Hotmail email adress?.
>
>(a) what's wrong with techno?
>(b) some of the members of tracking groups were excellent musicians.
>don't knock their talent just because you think it makes a good quip
>on slashdot.
(a) People like you asked the same thing about Disco.
(b)On the other hand there *WAS* some good stuff that came out of Disco. Be hard presed to say the same about techno though.
After all what's the techno equalant to "The Bertha Butt Boggie"
>I think what has been lacking is a real scene that drives the need for
>tracking utils. North America (which slashdot is pretty centric too)
>has never been a huge hot bed of demo's and music. Sure, there were
>arists making some cool stuff here but the tracking/demo parties held
>in North America were never as big/good as the European counterpart.
You're right. Outside of the Amiga crowd there never was much interest in North America in techno-crap which made the 70's disco song "Disco Duck" sound good.....In case you missed the sarcasm, "Disco Duck" was *HORRIBLE*
>the fallacie in your argument is that Windows is *not* a
>graphical-only user interface. My point was is that you can already,
>today, in Windows simply say "remove all" or The technology is already
>there using plain simple English, without the need to learn cryptic
>commands. Linux will never be able to compete with Microsoft in this
>area until it too can offer *plain English* voice-activated commands.
God. What an idoit you are. The *ONLY* thing in Windows that could be called non-graphical in windows is the MS-DOS prompt and losers like you want the idoits at MickeySoft to get rid of that. Get rid of the MS-DOS prompt and what do you have left? A crappy graphical-only user interface. And in case you didn't know there are already a number of voice-reconigtion software packages for linux. There's ViaVoice speech recognition SDK from IBM. Gvoice - Voice control for Gtk/GNOME is another. And then there's the The Open Mind Speech project and a whole host of others.
>I disagree. Microsoft has made it exponentially easier for a blind
>person to use Windows. You dont have to say "Left click coordinate (
>832 , 005 )" You can simply say "Minimize." You can have it read all
>text on the screen, as well as the many magnification/high contrast
>features microsoft has built-in to Win2k, for those with some sight.
>Linux is no less of a hardship to use for blind people than is
>Windows, and in many ways, it's still leaps behind.
So sayth the Microsoft Astroturfer. Come on, admit it. You don't the slightest clue about the needs of blind people do you? As it has already been pointed out, how can you/what's the point of "Minimizing" something you *CAN'T* see?
>mess. I don't think i've opened my paper statement for either credit
>card in months.
More fool you.....
>If you are still paying by hand, you're missing. Out. And you don't
>need any newfangled dot com site to do it, if you have a reasonably
>large bank. Most offer 90% of this functionality.
The only thing I'm missing out on is some idoit e-comerce company knowing who I get bills from. I can live with this. I can also live with not paying them some equally idoitic monthly service fee.
>Not EVERYONE who uses VB is totally incompetent. You make it sound as
>if it's completely useless. It does have some very nice uses, although
>it'll never be my programming language of choice.
>This is an elitist attitude, and THIS is what will keep people from
>even WANTING to learn another language. (The attitude of 'well you're
>to stupid to learn anything but VB')
These people *ARE* too stupid to learn anything but VB. If they weren't they wouldn't be using VB....