So when you break down your salary into an hourly wage, what do you really earn for your time?
If your salary is $60,000 US a year, but you work 60 hours a week, then you're really only being paid the same for the work you do as someone making $40,000 to work 40 hours a week. You're just working a lot more. If you're willing to sacrifice your time for $$, then sure it's a good deal for you and for the company, but remember what your time is worth, and bill accordingly when you start.
Using Realplayer, (not an ethically good company, but neither is Napster) I find most of the music I listen to in the form of streaming audio. I like electronic Music while I code at work (breaks, trance and funky house) and a couple of the sites I like are groovetech.com and thewomb.com.
Both stream live dj's 12 hours out of the day, and both (and this is my favorite part) archive some of the dj sets for the user to pick and choose from. So I listen to the current live dj, and if she's ok, then I listen for a couple of hours, but if he sux then I go to the archive section and look for a dj/musical style I'm more into, and listen to that set.
I remember NetRadio as being a site with a wide variety of styles to choose from (~100), and they let you know who the artist/track was and linked to buying the album through them.(a decent revenue model)
I also have pirated MP3's on my computer at home, and predominantly use them for mixing my own music. Still illegal, but I don't live in the USA, so the RIAA can come find me, and I believe that digitally, copyright is a means of limiting resources artificially to create a demand. Not the kind of law that encourages real capitalism.
Anyways, enough rant.
If you're sick of the ~10 radio stations available on FM locally, look to the web at streaming audio, there's lots to choose from, and it's free and legal.
I think that that scenario is a valid and desirable one.
What most people want from the internet is an easy to use search feature with easy to understand results and sites combined with a fun entertainment tool, kind of like interactive TV with 10,000 or so channels.
That is something that TW/AOL can readily provide, and do a reasonable job of.
Peole are not generally looking for all of the freedoms the internet provides. Nor are they looking for true control over what is available, only percieved control through greater choice and light interaction.
Very few people will ever make full use of the communications potential of the internet. It's a lot of work for us people who know something about computers, let alone avg jane/joe who just wants to email chain letters and memos and occasionally surf for news or porn or other entertainment.
What jane and joe want is AOL with limited, higher quality channels to choose from. Why should we stop TW/AOL from giving it to them.
AS LONG AS IT IS ONLY A SUBNET OF THE INTERNET!
We must ensure that the internet remains available for anyone to use as long as they actually want to. This will relegate most of the entertainment/tv traffic through the networks of TW and leave real communications more space on the general internet. We'll lose some bandwidth in the deal, but we'll also be rid of lots of trafic and people who have no real desire to be involved with the internet.
If a company allows public access to some parts of it's office, then what stops you from just walking in and opening another door to someones office.
Many offices have employees only beyond this point signs, but if you delve deeper than a company wishes without seeing a sign, have you committed breaking and entering?
If I come to a login prompt and it does not specify who can and cannot enter, then am I free to assume that any password that lets me enter that I can come up with is fair to use? Should there be explicit statements about who may legaly enter a part of a system, or should we all just know not to poke around where people leave doors open. Where is the line drawn between a publicly accessable palce and somewhere that the public is not invited? If I can access it and do not come across any warnings forbidding me to, have I broken and entered? Where does security through obscurity fit in here?
Real world examples rarely make perfect analogies for computer networks.
Could this be a trend that sees us move from a model of supply and demand setting costs, to one of actual personal value (probably varrying from person to person) setting the costs in stead?
How do you deal with supply and demand when a supply is limitless? (ie with digital media)
When supply is infinite, demand will never be greater than supply, so value continuously falls. However, supply does not have to be infinite for this to happen. It is also true if supply is always significantly greater than demand. With teh various supplyers on the internet offering us the choice of the supply for the whole connected world, all of a sudden, supply to each individual has skyrocketed. So shouldn't there be more individuals to demand? Mabe once the consumer catches up to business and joins the online hallucination that removes time adn space from our reality.
Wow this sure turned into a Quebec bashing area quickly.
1) If it doesn't negatively affect you, then why do you have such strong negative oppinions about it?
2)If you don't agree with the law for the web then you probably don't have a business in Quebec anyways since the law applies to all business and not just web sites.
3)There is no rule # 3 (sorry couldn't resist)
But with a bit of seriousness now, having a second language on your site will not stop people from reading it in english. People have already posted severeal quick and free solutions for translating your site into french, so that probably shouldn't be a big issue. Where is all of this hatred for quebec coming from? And why is obvious flamebait being modded up?
I consider myself lucky to have had access to a bi-lingual education. I have learned more and had more opportunities for travel and work because of it. Sometimes it is easier to express something in one language than in another. As a user, I would find this aspect of Quebec web sites quite useful. News quotes of people actually speaking french in stead of butchered translations would be wonderful. Especially if I can check out the story in either french or english.
As soon as we realize how much of the non-english speaking world is on the net, we will be seeing more and more businesses taking advantage of translation programs and offering services in multiple languages.
As programmers, (for those who are) Languages are what we do. I don't think that any of us would like to see only one language available to use. That is what is happening with english on the web. Rather than making web sites accessible to all in their own languages (even through links to translation sites) we expect everyone to learn english to use our web sites.
This law imposes the will of the government onto all those doing business in quebec, but it does not stop anyone from puting up a site in any language they choose as long as there is an equivalent translation in french lying about somewhere. It is unconstitutional. (different constitution than US) It is also controling and dictating but it does not significantly limit anyones freedom. In stead it seeks to ensure that the francaphone population in Quebec has access to companies that do business there.
Much has already been made of this law, but in spirit at least I do not find it heavy handed or repulsive. It is a minor inconvenience at most to do the translation and not justification for an all out bashing of Quebec as a province or Quebeckers as a people.
If you link to a web page, the content can change without your knowledge. If you link to a file, it can be assumed you know what is in that file to begin with, and the chances of the contents of a file being changed are extremely slim.
A web page is however a file. I think that the problem here is that we are trying to make people responsible for the content that they are linking to when all that they are doing is providing the link (address). The contents of a file can change just as easily as the contents of a web page (another file). When I place a hyperlink to a file (.html file or otherwise) I have only read permissions on that file (one would hope) and therefore have no control over the content.
The area where this breaks down in terms of meat world examples is that when I give someone an address of something in the meat world, they still have to hail a cab themselves and get there. On the net, the cab is always ready and waiting in the form of their internet connection. It appears as thoug I send them there, however, it is the user's connection that takes them there and all that I did was tell the user where to tell the cabby to go.
What internet users need to know is that by following a link (click wrap license) they are actively persuing a reference that I have provided. It is of the users own free will that they are persuing this reference and I play only the part of reffering them to their destination. In fact most users have probably found out by now that a link that says Free Brittainy Spears Pr0n Might not actually even take them to a page containing what they thought it might. Not only do I make no guarantees about the content at the other end of the link, but I may in fact be lying through my teeth in order to get you to follow the link.
Not that I would insist on it, but any sort of formal rules and regulations for settling disputes and discussing/debating ideas. Know how you're going to solve a problem before a problem occurs if you can, or at least have a plan for dealing with it. Also have regular meetings to deal with ongoing things.
People are almos always more of a headache to manage than computers. Expectations will be high, and unless the group can work in a concerted effort, enthusiasm will dwindle when nothing seems to be happening.
I was part of a school Computer lab that was admined for the most part by students. It was a great place to hang out and most of us got to explore what we wanted to as well as providing very basic tech help for others who came in with projects.
Two things that were very useful to us in this endeavor were 1) An authority figure nearby who would and could back us up if things got beyond our control. She was very non-tech, but she knew how to deal with teens.(poor Mrs Kilpatrik) 2)A really cool group of geeks who wanted a space that they could play in. We all had very different skill sets and levels, and we were always asking each other how to do this or that. Having a friend teach me how to write macros and install software made it much more interesting than taking a course.
So try to have a good core group to work with. Have regular (bi-weekly/monthly) meetings with an adult about to deal with ideas progress and or problems on an ongoing basis. And try to offer one on one tutor like sessions to those who show an interest in what's going on and who show up regularly.
When you find someone with at least one song oyu like, chances are reasonable that they would have more songs that you want.
I have heard of an option on napster, something like a hotlist, where you can browse all of a user's songs that they make public.
Some guy I don't know on the internet told me to add a user to my hotlist and then click on their username or something. I don't know myself, but searching probably wouldn't be as essential if you could browse someones songs. You could determine that 3DN JVST1C3 4 4LL by M3T4L-L1KK3R might represent something else.
I would much rather look up a license once or have a licence posted on the web in a neutral location (ie not on the Vendor's site) with a critique by a lawyer or government official.
Certain licenses would suit certain industries better than others and licenses for private consumers could be different than thoes for commercial companies.
The GPl is a good example of this and standardized licenses are just one of the cool and practical innovations to come out of free (speech) software and the open source movement.
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question: If I buy a book and it's falling apart at the bindings, can I copy the text of that book onto a CD?
If so, can I then sell the CD in stead of the book (or with the book) because I bought the copy and the only way I or anyone else can still use the information within is off of the CD?
I seem to run into doubts about the book model when I think of the information in a digital format. Is this common sense kicking in or is it an oppinion based on copyright holders who try to get the most from the consumer while giving as little in return as possible.
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I have used other peoples credit cards over the phone. (always with their permission)
Once I rented a van with someone elses CC and my drivers license. The clerk behind the counter copied down all of my DL info and used the CC machine to do the bill on that and never noticed that the names were different.
I wasn't sure which name to sign on the final reciept, but I don't think it would have mattered either way.
Fraud is always a potential problem with extending credit to someone. It's not necesarily easier on the net but people think they can get away with it more easily. I forsee a new netCC with seperate/higher fraud insurance rates for the customer/vendor than regular CCs.
Funny, If UCITA is only law in MD and VA, then why does Apoge-e insist that the terms of use are governed by the laws of Texas?
You agree that these Terms of Use are governed by the laws of the State of Texas and that proper and convenient venue lies exclusively with the courts of Dallas County, Texas. You agree to be subject to the personal jurisdiction of the State and federal courts sitting in Dallas County, Texas, U.S.A. or in the United States District Court by the Northern District of Texas in the event that any litigation results concerning any aspect arising out of these Terms of Use and Service.
A-PooGie may have shot themselves in the foot with that one.
For us at Universal Music Group, the Internet is about the opportunity to get more music to more people in more places. But the Internet is not simply an additional distribution channel. Its attributes expand the market for recorded music in many ways.
He must have been talking to a more moderate audience in this speech. It seems obvious to me that this man is willing to represent himself and Seagram as whatever his audience wants to hear. I hope that good journalism (in the face of a new media force) will help to expose this two-facedness to all of Mr Edgar Bronfman, Jr.'s audiences.
he Seagram Company Ltd. and its U.S. subsidiary, Joseph E. Seagram & Sons, Inc. (collectively "Seagram" ) respect the privacy concerns of the users of its sites. As a general policy, no personal information (i.e. name, address, telephone number, e-mail address) is automatically collected from users of these sites. Certain non-personal information about users is recorded by the standard operation of Seagram's Internet servers. Examples of this type of information include the type of browser being used, its operating system, and the domain names (not e-mail addresses, where possible) of the users.
Use something simple. I know that text/turn based games such as Inter Stellar Anhiliation (and I'm sure that there are others Ive forgotten) are excellent ways to introduce kids to scripts and macros. Mabe get them playing simCity as it's like programminga city. Cause and effect are often easy to see.
Smaller programming such as javascript or what-not would probably be better, because dealing with build environments and setting up all of your header files and libraries can be frustrating when you just want to see it work! (as I'm sure we're all aware)
Mabe write them a simple game yourself with easy to read, documented code and let them play with it and modify it to change rules, scoring methods, what not. I don't think it got into win9x, but nibbles and gorrillas.bas were fun tools for me to learn on in basic.
Good luck and be sure to let them give up for a bit if they get frustrated. Change the focus and ask them what they'd be into doing. After all, you're doing this for them, not for you or for us on/.
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So when you break down your salary into an hourly wage, what do you really earn for your time?
If your salary is $60,000 US a year, but you work 60 hours a week, then you're really only being paid the same for the work you do as someone making $40,000 to work 40 hours a week. You're just working a lot more. If you're willing to sacrifice your time for $$, then sure it's a good deal for you and for the company, but remember what your time is worth, and bill accordingly when you start.
Using Realplayer, (not an ethically good company, but neither is Napster) I find most of the music I listen to in the form of streaming audio. I like electronic Music while I code at work (breaks, trance and funky house) and a couple of the sites I like are groovetech.com and thewomb.com.
Both stream live dj's 12 hours out of the day, and both (and this is my favorite part) archive some of the dj sets for the user to pick and choose from. So I listen to the current live dj, and if she's ok, then I listen for a couple of hours, but if he sux then I go to the archive section and look for a dj/musical style I'm more into, and listen to that set.
I remember NetRadio as being a site with a wide variety of styles to choose from (~100), and they let you know who the artist/track was and linked to buying the album through them.(a decent revenue model)
I also have pirated MP3's on my computer at home, and predominantly use them for mixing my own music. Still illegal, but I don't live in the USA, so the RIAA can come find me, and I believe that digitally, copyright is a means of limiting resources artificially to create a demand. Not the kind of law that encourages real capitalism.
Anyways, enough rant.
If you're sick of the ~10 radio stations available on FM locally, look to the web at streaming audio, there's lots to choose from, and it's free and legal.
I think that that scenario is a valid and desirable one.
What most people want from the internet is an easy to use search feature with easy to understand results and sites combined with a fun entertainment tool, kind of like interactive TV with 10,000 or so channels.
That is something that TW/AOL can readily provide, and do a reasonable job of.
Peole are not generally looking for all of the freedoms the internet provides. Nor are they looking for true control over what is available, only percieved control through greater choice and light interaction.
Very few people will ever make full use of the communications potential of the internet. It's a lot of work for us people who know something about computers, let alone avg jane/joe who just wants to email chain letters and memos and occasionally surf for news or porn or other entertainment.
What jane and joe want is AOL with limited, higher quality channels to choose from. Why should we stop TW/AOL from giving it to them.
AS LONG AS IT IS ONLY A SUBNET OF THE INTERNET!
We must ensure that the internet remains available for anyone to use as long as they actually want to. This will relegate most of the entertainment/tv traffic through the networks of TW and leave real communications more space on the general internet. We'll lose some bandwidth in the deal, but we'll also be rid of lots of trafic and people who have no real desire to be involved with the internet.
Plural of OS is UNIX
If a company allows public access to some parts of it's office, then what stops you from just walking in and opening another door to someones office.
Many offices have employees only beyond this point signs, but if you delve deeper than a company wishes without seeing a sign, have you committed breaking and entering?
If I come to a login prompt and it does not specify who can and cannot enter, then am I free to assume that any password that lets me enter that I can come up with is fair to use? Should there be explicit statements about who may legaly enter a part of a system, or should we all just know not to poke around where people leave doors open.
Where is the line drawn between a publicly accessable palce and somewhere that the public is not invited? If I can access it and do not come across any warnings forbidding me to, have I broken and entered? Where does security through obscurity fit in here?
Real world examples rarely make perfect analogies for computer networks.
...then we would get the most relevant listed first, and not the most exploitative.
Could this be a trend that sees us move from a model of supply and demand setting costs, to one of actual personal value (probably varrying from person to person) setting the costs in stead?
How do you deal with supply and demand when a supply is limitless? (ie with digital media)
When supply is infinite, demand will never be greater than supply, so value continuously falls. However, supply does not have to be infinite for this to happen. It is also true if supply is always significantly greater than demand. With teh various supplyers on the internet offering us the choice of the supply for the whole connected world, all of a sudden, supply to each individual has skyrocketed. So shouldn't there be more individuals to demand? Mabe once the consumer catches up to business and joins the online hallucination that removes time adn space from our reality.
1. Mabe Congress should have its own tld. .con anyone? .gov tld automatically go to a Unites States of America governmental office?
2. Does a
There are definately other governments out there, and I would hazzard a guess that there are bigger, and better governments than the US gov.
"Damn world! Stealing my internet." --Al Gore.
interactivity, real-time raytracing, high-bandwidth connection...
More buzzwords in case they're running out of ideas for the next press release.
How about an interactive streaming internet tv show, where we get to vote someone off of the island.(Or out of the dev-team)
Wow this sure turned into a Quebec bashing area quickly.
1) If it doesn't negatively affect you, then why do you have such strong negative oppinions about it?
2)If you don't agree with the law for the web then you probably don't have a business in Quebec anyways since the law applies to all business and not just web sites.
3)There is no rule # 3 (sorry couldn't resist)
But with a bit of seriousness now, having a second language on your site will not stop people from reading it in english. People have already posted severeal quick and free solutions for translating your site into french, so that probably shouldn't be a big issue. Where is all of this hatred for quebec coming from? And why is obvious flamebait being modded up?
I consider myself lucky to have had access to a bi-lingual education. I have learned more and had more opportunities for travel and work because of it. Sometimes it is easier to express something in one language than in another. As a user, I would find this aspect of Quebec web sites quite useful. News quotes of people actually speaking french in stead of butchered translations would be wonderful. Especially if I can check out the story in either french or english.
As soon as we realize how much of the non-english speaking world is on the net, we will be seeing more and more businesses taking advantage of translation programs and offering services in multiple languages.
As programmers, (for those who are) Languages are what we do. I don't think that any of us would like to see only one language available to use. That is what is happening with english on the web. Rather than making web sites accessible to all in their own languages (even through links to translation sites) we expect everyone to learn english to use our web sites.
This law imposes the will of the government onto all those doing business in quebec, but it does not stop anyone from puting up a site in any language they choose as long as there is an equivalent translation in french lying about somewhere. It is unconstitutional. (different constitution than US) It is also controling and dictating but it does not significantly limit anyones freedom. In stead it seeks to ensure that the francaphone population in Quebec has access to companies that do business there.
Much has already been made of this law, but in spirit at least I do not find it heavy handed or repulsive. It is a minor inconvenience at most to do the translation and not justification for an all out bashing of Quebec as a province or Quebeckers as a people.
-IANAQ, but I speak french.
If you link to a web page, the content can change without your knowledge. If you link to a file, it can be assumed you know what is in that file to begin with, and the chances of the contents of a file being changed are extremely slim.
A web page is however a file.
I think that the problem here is that we are trying to make people responsible for the content that they are linking to when all that they are doing is providing the link (address). The contents of a file can change just as easily as the contents of a web page (another file). When I place a hyperlink to a file (.html file or otherwise) I have only read permissions on that file (one would hope) and therefore have no control over the content.
The area where this breaks down in terms of meat world examples is that when I give someone an address of something in the meat world, they still have to hail a cab themselves and get there. On the net, the cab is always ready and waiting in the form of their internet connection. It appears as thoug I send them there, however, it is the user's connection that takes them there and all that I did was tell the user where to tell the cabby to go.
What internet users need to know is that by following a link (click wrap license) they are actively persuing a reference that I have provided. It is of the users own free will that they are persuing this reference and I play only the part of reffering them to their destination. In fact most users have probably found out by now that a link that says Free Brittainy Spears Pr0n Might not actually even take them to a page containing what they thought it might. Not only do I make no guarantees about the content at the other end of the link, but I may in fact be lying through my teeth in order to get you to follow the link.
Caveat Surfer
PS Does anyone know the latin word for surfer?
latest release by metallica for the web:
volume...up...
Volume...Up...
VOLUME...UP!...
STOP RIPPING OUR MUSIC YOU MP3 PIRATES!!!!
off.
Not that I would insist on it, but any sort of formal rules and regulations for settling disputes and discussing/debating ideas. Know how you're going to solve a problem before a problem occurs if you can, or at least have a plan for dealing with it. Also have regular meetings to deal with ongoing things.
People are almos always more of a headache to manage than computers. Expectations will be high, and unless the group can work in a concerted effort, enthusiasm will dwindle when nothing seems to be happening.
I was part of a school Computer lab that was admined for the most part by students. It was a great place to hang out and most of us got to explore what we wanted to as well as providing very basic tech help for others who came in with projects.
Two things that were very useful to us in this endeavor were
1) An authority figure nearby who would and could back us up if things got beyond our control. She was very non-tech, but she knew how to deal with teens.(poor Mrs Kilpatrik)
2)A really cool group of geeks who wanted a space that they could play in. We all had very different skill sets and levels, and we were always asking each other how to do this or that. Having a friend teach me how to write macros and install software made it much more interesting than taking a course.
So try to have a good core group to work with. Have regular (bi-weekly/monthly) meetings with an adult about to deal with ideas progress and or problems on an ongoing basis. And try to offer one on one tutor like sessions to those who show an interest in what's going on and who show up regularly.
Just my $US.01-1/2 eh.
Ugh!
Does that mean I have to use M$ Office for the rest of my life?
I guess that most people only search.
When you find someone with at least one song oyu like, chances are reasonable that they would have more songs that you want.
I have heard of an option on napster, something like a hotlist, where you can browse all of a user's songs that they make public.
Some guy I don't know on the internet told me to add a user to my hotlist and then click on their username or something. I don't know myself, but searching probably wouldn't be as essential if you could browse someones songs. You could determine that 3DN JVST1C3 4 4LL by M3T4L-L1KK3R might represent something else.
I would much rather look up a license once or have a licence posted on the web in a neutral location (ie not on the Vendor's site) with a critique by a lawyer or government official.
Certain licenses would suit certain industries better than others and licenses for private consumers could be different than thoes for commercial companies.
The GPl is a good example of this and standardized licenses are just one of the cool and practical innovations to come out of free (speech) software and the open source movement.
question:
If I buy a book and it's falling apart at the bindings, can I copy the text of that book onto a CD?
If so, can I then sell the CD in stead of the book (or with the book) because I bought the copy and the only way I or anyone else can still use the information within is off of the CD?
I seem to run into doubts about the book model when I think of the information in a digital format. Is this common sense kicking in or is it an oppinion based on copyright holders who try to get the most from the consumer while giving as little in return as possible.
I have used other peoples credit cards over the phone. (always with their permission)
Once I rented a van with someone elses CC and my drivers license. The clerk behind the counter copied down all of my DL info and used the CC machine to do the bill on that and never noticed that the names were different.
I wasn't sure which name to sign on the final reciept, but I don't think it would have mattered either way.
Fraud is always a potential problem with extending credit to someone. It's not necesarily easier on the net but people think they can get away with it more easily. I forsee a new netCC with seperate/higher fraud insurance rates for the customer/vendor than regular CCs.
Fuck this. Using no vowels sucks. Plus I couldn't think of a replacement for the "u" in trout.
try \/
D00D! 1t's 4 h3rr1ng, n0t 4 tr0\/t!
ASCII Art to the rescue again!
Funny, If UCITA is only law in MD and VA, then why does Apoge-e insist that the terms of use are governed by the laws of Texas?
You agree that these Terms of Use are governed by the laws of the State of Texas and that proper and convenient venue lies exclusively with the courts of Dallas County, Texas. You agree to be subject to the personal jurisdiction of the State and federal courts sitting in Dallas County, Texas, U.S.A. or in the United States District Court by the Northern District of Texas in the event that any litigation results concerning any aspect arising out of these Terms of Use and Service.
A-PooGie may have shot themselves in the foot with that one.
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in which he says:
For us at Universal Music Group, the Internet is about the opportunity to get more music to more people in more places. But the Internet is not simply an additional distribution channel. Its attributes expand the market for recorded music in many ways.
He must have been talking to a more moderate audience in this speech.
It seems obvious to me that this man is willing to represent himself and Seagram as whatever his audience wants to hear. I hope that good journalism (in the face of a new media force) will help to expose this two-facedness to all of Mr Edgar Bronfman, Jr.'s audiences.
is here
The First paragraph reads:
he Seagram Company Ltd. and its U.S. subsidiary, Joseph E. Seagram & Sons, Inc. (collectively "Seagram" ) respect the privacy concerns of the users of its sites. As a general policy, no personal information (i.e. name, address, telephone number, e-mail address) is automatically collected from users of these sites. Certain non-personal information about users is recorded by the standard operation of Seagram's Internet servers. Examples of this type of information include the type of browser being used, its operating system, and the domain names (not e-mail addresses, where possible) of the users.
I can see a conflict, can you?
Then let them write macros for games.
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Use something simple. I know that text/turn based games such as Inter Stellar Anhiliation (and I'm sure that there are others Ive forgotten) are excellent ways to introduce kids to scripts and macros. Mabe get them playing simCity as it's like programminga city. Cause and effect are often easy to see.
Smaller programming such as javascript or what-not would probably be better, because dealing with build environments and setting up all of your header files and libraries can be frustrating when you just want to see it work! (as I'm sure we're all aware)
Mabe write them a simple game yourself with easy to read, documented code and let them play with it and modify it to change rules, scoring methods, what not. I don't think it got into win9x, but nibbles and gorrillas.bas were fun tools for me to learn on in basic.
Good luck and be sure to let them give up for a bit if they get frustrated. Change the focus and ask them what they'd be into doing. After all, you're doing this for them, not for you or for us on
Imagine it - you could go to the drive-thru window and your order would be right every time!
That depends on who writes the software.
I could see the usefulness of a backdoor into this system!
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... Delicious hacking.
This is a good example to the world of what is meant by the term hacker.
Someone who when faced with a challenge, can hack together a solution that may or may not be elegant, but works to meet the challenge.
Hacker is a term that has no legal or illegal denotation, but lot's of illegal connotations.