For the Win95/98/NT at least. First, share your Widows HD's in ro mode. Use smbmount to mount the Windows volumes (actually the whole HD) across the network and then use any Linux backup utility you like. Better yet, I believe the automounter can handle SMB mounts - setup the automounter so that
/mnt/smb/win01/c /mnt/smb/win02/c ...
get mounted to//win01/c,//win02/c etc. Then all you have to do is setup your backup tool or cron to backup/mnt/smb/*
I don't know about the Mac - but if you can find a way to mount a Mac volume from Linux your set.
If autofs cannot handle SMB mounts - just write a perl script that will parse a text file with this information and have your backup tool/cron run this script first.
the answer depends on who's asking the question. I don't see them as competators. If I need an OS that can handle multiple users, can integrate well into an existing network (ie smb, ncp, nfs, appletalk, etc), is secure, has office applications, great for development, and can also do almost any server task - I'll deploy Linux/FreeBSD/Solaris/etc. However, if I were an artist or I was strictly doing multimedia I would use Be. Linux has a huge market (compared to Be's) and it is possible that they (Be Inc) will try to tap into this market by trying to compete with Linux - but I'd say they are apples and oranges. No OS will meet all the needs of everyone and I think Be's best bet is in the Multimedia nitch market. As soon as they try to compete as a "general purpose" OS they will be competing with Linux/*BSD _and_ NT. Then Be will be fighting off the OSS zealots with one hand and MS with the other - I don't think it would be a good move for Be at this time.
A GUI usually consists of many processes and each process may contain any number of threads. Besides the memory that these GUI processes/threads uses (most of which will get swapped to disk as they not used for long periods of time), they also have an entry in the process table. Ideally you would hope that the OS would only have to check the process table entries for these GUI processes/threads to see that they are sleeping during a context switch. However, because GUI's are message based they often contain timers/signals/etc that demand small amounts of CPU time (ie a screen saver timer). To make it worse, a timer/signal-handler may be in a process that has been swapped to disk thus causing a page-fault (which causes an interrupt, swapping of disk to memory, decrement of PC, etc). So really, even if a GUI seems like it is idle, it isn't and it is using valuable resources.
If you're looking for a particular song you (or at least I) probably don't have the time to surf the web and scan newsgroups for a free copy. Even if you do, after you download the ~4meg song you have no idea of the quality. The sites that become popular as "free MP3" sites will attract attention and get shut down. I will save myself time and just by the MP3 - $0.99 is just so cheap. Besides, what's to keep me from ripping a CD sending it as MP3 to all my friends? Also, CDs can now easily be copied using CD writers. MP3 or CD - they face the same problems.
At US$0.99 a song - I would much rather buy individual tracks instead of a US$15 CD with 9 songs I dislike and 1-2 I really like. Once auto MP3 players become less expensive I will never use CD's again. With MP3's I can store all my music on cheap medium (ie 18gig IDE, w/r CDs, etc) instead of hauling a bunch of scratched audio CDs around with broken cases and best of all, CD changers will no longer be needed (10 disk just isn't enough). I look forward to the day I can pay 10 bucks to download 10 _really_ good songs onto my laptop, home, and auto system.
It was very informative - I couldn't have said it better.
Its expected that the author of any software will always defend and promote his/her creation. Holger Kruse is an extreem example of this as he has conveniently disregarded the changes in the Linux networking code from the 1.x days to the 2.2.x kernel in order to promote his implementation. The fact that he is not aware of the work being done on IPv6/Linux shows that he really has no knowledge of the Linux TCP/IP stack and his arguments are thus nullified.
until recently Linux was mainly known for its server capabilities - even most Linux supporters/users said that Linux wasn't yet ready for the desktop. Now we have KDE and GNOME and Linux is ready for the desktop, but what I fear is that the Linux community will become too demanding and scare of those companies that would have eventually ported the client. I would rather see lots of customers requesting Linux versions of client software than a petition.
"Are you implying that somebody who works for Microsoft is not entitled to an opinion? "
Not at all - I'm just saying that it would be interesting to know where all these pro-MS AC's are comming from. If there where a huge flood of AC posts comming from MS it would suggest (although not prove) that MS is trying to create a psuedo-grass roots movement to combat the Linux community - you know, make it look like lots of people approve of MS and its actions - I know it sounds crazy, but I for don't think its would be beond BillyBoy (or one of his top people) to ask the troops to flood the internet with possitive "end-user" testimonies.
intent (as the original poster mentioned) is _very_ important. Most game developers add such code to their games because of the differences between ActiveX on Win9x and NT, not because they'll make more money by requireing users to use win9x. In other words, game developers aren't trying to kill NT (although I think a lot of us wish it would die). Its clear (to me at least) that MS was trying to kill DR-DOS.
No one said MS had to "officially" support DR-DOS (if they did *then* they would have to share in the blame), but what MS did (if Caldera's claims are correct) add no value to Windows and are clearly intended to damage DR-DOS. Making a better product or making one for less is part of the game. However, misleading the public (faulting error messages, etc) and leveraging your market pressence to edge out a competator is another.
Again, AC's dominate the pro-MS comments. Can we get some stats showing how many comments have come from MS owned IP's? Just wondering.
Those that write windows programs don't intentionally insert code to make sure their programs work only on Windows. Inserting such logic may be considered predatory and anti-competative so this evidence may be valid - its a fine line. I don't think Caldera is saying that MS should QA windows for all OS's, but trying wipe out a competator by detecting its products and refusing to work has no beniefit to the consumer (ie no value added) and only serves to increase MS's market share. so I think Caldera has a valid argument.
So some guy spent a couple of days doing something that he loves and has a passion for, who cares? There's more to life than just work and getting things done. How many people lie on their death bed and say "I wish I worked more"? (can't really say I wished I played more video games - but to each his own) By your argument, all world records are a waste of time - so really, Americans are the guilty ones, its the human race (the Olimpics anyone?)
What if the API in question wasn't for encryption, but rather a generic API that any number different plugins could work with (including encryption). I don't know, say for example, a plugin that just took 64 bits and XORed it with 45 or something (by no means strong encryption). Sure its worthless, but it should alow someone to write a plugin that used DES or some other strong encryption right? Just call it generic data transformation or something (GDT) - just an idea, has it ever been tried?
I came to Linux from the Unix world. From AIX, Solaris, and HP-UX. From there I went on to experiance a little FreeBSD. The reason that xBSD users usually come from Unix backgrounds, in my experiance, is because it does not receive as much attention as Linux. In other words, Joe user, sitting at home with IE browsing the net is more likely to see a story on Linux than FreeBSD - "Hmm...what's this Linux thing, maybe I'll try it." To say that a UNIX person is more likely to move to xBSD one would have to ignore that Linux is more or less System V and therefore, anyone coming from Solaris (or other Sys V) would probably be happier with Linux.
"If you would know your way around Unix systems, you would know that at this very second Linux's knfsd is extended and debugged (see linux-kernel)."
Afraid I don't quite get what you're trying to say here - sorry I don't know about every aspect of Linux (don't do that much SA). But thanks for info anyway - I gladly welcome any improvement to Linux's NFS.
"There could be possibly a new distro based on FreeBSD. You could even sell it and not give away your source code, thanks to the BSD license."
I'll assume this to mean that FreeBSD should work with a System V init without any major problems (should someone wish to undertake such a project)
This was a pretty good artical - although I felt it implied that Linux wasn't as good a server. They both have their good and bad aspects and I look forward to more sharing of code from both camps. So far, my experiance has shown me (caution, opinions start here):
Linux -NFS server: not so good (is there any work being done on this?) -SMB client: good -SMP: good (could be better) -Portability: good -Ease of configuration: good (I love System V and kernel modules) -RAID: never tried -TCP/IP: good (I add this just because the older Linux kernel didn't do TCP/IP near as well as FreeBSD)
FreeBSD -NFS server: good -SMB client: not so good (I don't think kernel level support exists - ie smbmount. does it?) -SMP: not so good -Portability: not so good (use NetBSD - whole other topic) -Ease of configuration: Ok (but I really wish they would move to System V - is it possible to make a disto that is System V?) -RAID: good (I love vinum) -TCP/IP: good
I know, I know - some of my opinions are probably ill formed, please correct me where I may be wrong.
but I believe you're wrong. If I where to say to someone "I'm gonna find you and waste your pathetic loser ass into fish food for my pet pirhanas!" that would be a physical threat and I could be charged with assault. The right to free speach (in the US) does not mean you can say whatever the hell you wish - this has been well established in US courts, the typical example of this is yelling "fire" in a crowded theater when there is none - putting the crowd in a panic and endangering lives. Likewise, you can not say whatever you like about whomever you like. This may lead to a character depravation lawsuit - the US tabloids deal with this often. In short, if you are trying to damage someone's reputation by making false claims or such, legal action can be brought against you.
If what this letter says is true, then I'm on JV's side. Also,if it is true, it is a shame that the whole site will be destroyed all because of one person's unprofessional behavior.
I'm sure a lot of people disagree with such things (and I don't agree with all of them), but you have to play by the rules to win the game (just as the FSF has done by creating the copyleft). Go ahead, flame me!
but I believe you're wrong. If I where to say to someone "I'm gonna find you and waste your pathetic loser ass into fish food for my pet pirhanas!" that would be a physical threat and I could be charged with assault. The right to free speach (in the US) does not mean you can say whatever the hell you wish - this has been well established in US courts, the typical example of this is yelling "fire" in a crowded theater when there is none - putting the crowd in a panic and endangering lives. Likewise, you can not say whatever you like about whomever you like. This may lead to a character depravation lawsuit - the US tabloids deal with this often. In short, if you are trying to damage someone's reputation by making false claims or such, legal action can be brought against you.
If what this letter says is true, then I'm on JV's side. Also,if it is true, it is a shame that the whole site will be destroyed all because of one person's unprofessional behavior.
I'm sure a lot of people disagree with such things (and I don't agree with all of them), but you have to play by the rules to win the game (just as the FSF has done by creating the copyleft). Go ahead, flame me!
However, since Apache is privately owned (ie has not stock to sell) a takeover is not possible (of course, Apache could sell out, but I doubt it).
Also, I beleive that if Apache started charging for its software anyone could take the existing code base (BSD isn't it?) and redistribute it for free (much like a Linux distro). Then again, I'm not really familiar with the BSD - I'm more of a GPL person. Anyone care to confirm this?
like many before him, he could hire a marketing firm, pay them to pick a slick and buzzword complient name, and then charge for it.
In OSS, you may not get as much $$ as those that charge for their work, but one of the main motivations is exposure. Just as Linux was named after Linus giving him credit for what he started, let Mr.Reiser have credit for what he has done. sheesh!
BTW - if you had gone to Mr.Reiser's web page and actually read it you would have seen that he addressed this at the bottom of the paper.
that are never seen by the general public are never required to wear ties. Likewise, if an exec doesn't have a press conferance or other PR related event she/he will usually dress down. However, as a general rule, any time you are going to be representing your company to the public it is recommented that you dress-up (in this case a tie isn't a bad idea - jeans and T-shirt a definate no). The same goes for consultants - when I go on site I wear a tie. Not because I like it (I find thim quite uncomfortable), but out of respect for the company that has paid for my flight/room/meals/time/etc and also because at that point I AM the company that I represent.
don't use yahoo. Use AltaVista, or even better, www.google.com (a Linux based search engine). I don't use geocities (most of the pages I've seen have been crap, and those adds are plain annoying), but until yahoo makes some changes to the contract or they can justify themselvs I will search elsewere.
most of America doesn't need the uptime of Linux. However, there is a difference between shuting down at the end of the day and a forced reboot or crash. Before I started using Linux I, like many, used Win3.1/95. The shutdown at the end of the day was never a problem. However, having to wait for reboots after installing or making a config change was a real pain. The real kicker though was when Windows would crash while I was working on a paper, compiling, browsing the web, printing, etc. If windows crashes weren't that often we wouldn't have the acronym BSOD.
This is great ammo that I will gladdly use against all the health freaks here in Santa Cruz, Ca.
I'm feed-up with these folks that tell me that drinking coffee and eating meat is going to kill me - the funny part is that most of them are smoking cigs or pot while telling me this. Let me have my caffeine in peace!
Only on/. can the topic of caffeine lead to a debate about China and human rights:)
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For the Win95/98/NT at least. First, share your Widows HD's in ro mode. Use smbmount to mount the Windows volumes (actually the whole HD) across the network and then use any Linux backup utility you like. Better yet, I believe the automounter can handle SMB mounts - setup the automounter so that
//win01/c, //win02/c etc. Then all you have to do is setup your backup tool or cron to backup /mnt/smb/*
/mnt/smb/win01/c
/mnt/smb/win02/c
...
get mounted to
I don't know about the Mac - but if you can find a way to mount a Mac volume from Linux your set.
If autofs cannot handle SMB mounts - just write a perl script that will parse a text file with this information and have your backup tool/cron run this script first.
the answer depends on who's asking the question. I don't see them as competators. If I need an OS that can handle multiple users, can integrate well into an existing network (ie smb, ncp, nfs, appletalk, etc), is secure, has office applications, great for development, and can also do almost any server task - I'll deploy Linux/FreeBSD/Solaris/etc. However, if I were an artist or I was strictly doing multimedia I would use Be. Linux has a huge market (compared to Be's) and it is possible that they (Be Inc) will try to tap into this market by trying to compete with Linux - but I'd say they are apples and oranges. No OS will meet all the needs of everyone and I think Be's best bet is in the Multimedia nitch market. As soon as they try to compete as a "general purpose" OS they will be competing with Linux/*BSD _and_ NT. Then Be will be fighting off the OSS zealots with one hand and MS with the other - I don't think it would be a good move for Be at this time.
just my opinion though.
How a GUI makes the computer slower:
A GUI usually consists of many processes and each process may contain any number of threads. Besides the memory that these GUI processes/threads uses (most of which will get swapped to disk as they not used for long periods of time), they also have an entry in the process table. Ideally you would hope that the OS would only have to check the process table entries for these GUI processes/threads to see that they are sleeping during a context switch. However, because GUI's are message based they often contain timers/signals/etc that demand small amounts of CPU time (ie a screen saver timer). To make it worse, a timer/signal-handler may be in a process that has been swapped to disk thus causing a page-fault (which causes an interrupt, swapping of disk to memory, decrement of PC, etc). So really, even if a GUI seems like it is idle, it isn't and it is using valuable resources.
If you're looking for a particular song you (or at least I) probably don't have the time to surf the web and scan newsgroups for a free copy. Even if you do, after you download the ~4meg song you have no idea of the quality. The sites that become popular as "free MP3" sites will attract attention and get shut down. I will save myself time and just by the MP3 - $0.99 is just so cheap. Besides, what's to keep me from ripping a CD sending it as MP3 to all my friends? Also, CDs can now easily be copied using CD writers. MP3 or CD - they face the same problems.
At US$0.99 a song - I would much rather buy individual tracks instead of a US$15 CD with 9 songs I dislike and 1-2 I really like. Once auto MP3 players become less expensive I will never use CD's again. With MP3's I can store all my music on cheap medium (ie 18gig IDE, w/r CDs, etc) instead of hauling a bunch of scratched audio CDs around with broken cases and best of all, CD changers will no longer be needed (10 disk just isn't enough). I look forward to the day I can pay 10 bucks to download 10 _really_ good songs onto my laptop, home, and auto system.
It was very informative - I couldn't have said it better.
Its expected that the author of any software will always defend and promote his/her creation. Holger Kruse is an extreem example of this as he has conveniently disregarded the changes in the Linux networking code from the 1.x days to the 2.2.x kernel in order to promote his implementation. The fact that he is not aware of the work being done on IPv6/Linux shows that he really has no knowledge of the Linux TCP/IP stack and his arguments are thus nullified.
until recently Linux was mainly known for its server capabilities - even most Linux supporters/users said that Linux wasn't yet ready for the desktop. Now we have KDE and GNOME and Linux is ready for the desktop, but what I fear is that the Linux community will become too demanding and scare of those companies that would have eventually ported the client. I would rather see lots of customers requesting Linux versions of client software than a petition.
"Are you implying that somebody who works for Microsoft is not entitled to an opinion? "
Not at all - I'm just saying that it would be interesting to know where all these pro-MS AC's are comming from. If there where a huge flood of AC posts comming from MS it would suggest (although not prove) that MS is trying to create a psuedo-grass roots movement to combat the Linux community - you know, make it look like lots of people approve of MS and its actions - I know it sounds crazy, but I for don't think its would be beond BillyBoy (or one of his top people) to ask the troops to flood the internet with possitive "end-user" testimonies.
intent (as the original poster mentioned) is _very_ important. Most game developers add such code to their games because of the differences between ActiveX on Win9x and NT, not because they'll make more money by requireing users to use win9x. In other words, game developers aren't trying to kill NT (although I think a lot of us wish it would die). Its clear (to me at least) that MS was trying to kill DR-DOS.
No one said MS had to "officially" support DR-DOS (if they did *then* they would have to share in the blame), but what MS did (if Caldera's claims are correct) add no value to Windows and are clearly intended to damage DR-DOS. Making a better product or making one for less is part of the game. However, misleading the public (faulting error messages, etc) and leveraging your market pressence to edge out a competator is another.
Again, AC's dominate the pro-MS comments. Can we get some stats showing how many comments have come from MS owned IP's? Just wondering.
Those that write windows programs don't intentionally insert code to make sure their programs work only on Windows. Inserting such logic may be considered predatory and anti-competative so this evidence may be valid - its a fine line. I don't think Caldera is saying that MS should QA windows for all OS's, but trying wipe out a competator by detecting its products and refusing to work has no beniefit to the consumer (ie no value added) and only serves to increase MS's market share. so I think Caldera has a valid argument.
So some guy spent a couple of days doing something that he loves and has a passion for, who cares? There's more to life than just work and getting things done. How many people lie on their death bed and say "I wish I worked more"? (can't really say I wished I played more video games - but to each his own) By your argument, all world records are a waste of time - so really, Americans are the guilty ones, its the human race (the Olimpics anyone?)
What if the API in question wasn't for encryption, but rather a generic API that any number different plugins could work with (including encryption). I don't know, say for example, a plugin that just took 64 bits and XORed it with 45 or something (by no means strong encryption). Sure its worthless, but it should alow someone to write a plugin that used DES or some other strong encryption right? Just call it generic data transformation or something (GDT) - just an idea, has it ever been tried?
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I came to Linux from the Unix world. From AIX, Solaris, and HP-UX. From there I went on to experiance a little FreeBSD. The reason that xBSD users usually come from Unix backgrounds, in my experiance, is because it does not receive as much attention as Linux. In other words, Joe user, sitting at home with IE browsing the net is more likely to see a story on Linux than FreeBSD - "Hmm...what's this Linux thing, maybe I'll try it." To say that a UNIX person is more likely to move to xBSD one would have to ignore that Linux is more or less System V and therefore, anyone coming from Solaris (or other Sys V) would probably be happier with Linux.
"If you would know your way around Unix systems, you would know that at this very second Linux's knfsd is extended and debugged (see linux-kernel)."
Afraid I don't quite get what you're trying to say here - sorry I don't know about every aspect of Linux (don't do that much SA). But thanks for info anyway - I gladly welcome any improvement to Linux's NFS.
"There could be possibly a new distro based on FreeBSD. You could even sell it and not give away your source code, thanks to the BSD license."
I'll assume this to mean that FreeBSD should work with a System V init without any major problems (should someone wish to undertake such a project)
This was a pretty good artical - although I felt it implied that Linux wasn't as good a server. They both have their good and bad aspects and I look forward to more sharing of code from both camps. So far, my experiance has shown me (caution, opinions start here):
Linux
-NFS server: not so good (is there any work being done on this?)
-SMB client: good
-SMP: good (could be better)
-Portability: good
-Ease of configuration: good (I love System V and kernel modules)
-RAID: never tried
-TCP/IP: good (I add this just because the older Linux kernel didn't do TCP/IP near as well as FreeBSD)
FreeBSD
-NFS server: good
-SMB client: not so good (I don't think kernel level support exists - ie smbmount. does it?)
-SMP: not so good
-Portability: not so good (use NetBSD - whole other topic)
-Ease of configuration: Ok (but I really wish they would move to System V - is it possible to make a disto that is System V?)
-RAID: good (I love vinum)
-TCP/IP: good
I know, I know - some of my opinions are probably ill formed, please correct me where I may be wrong.
but I believe you're wrong. If I where to say to someone "I'm gonna find you and waste your pathetic loser ass into fish food for my pet pirhanas!" that would be a physical threat and I could be charged with assault. The right to free speach (in the US) does not mean you can say whatever the hell you wish - this has been well established in US courts, the typical example of this is yelling "fire" in a crowded theater when there is none - putting the crowd in a panic and endangering lives. Likewise, you can not say whatever you like about whomever you like. This may lead to a character depravation lawsuit - the US tabloids deal with this often. In short, if you are trying to damage someone's reputation by making false claims or such, legal action can be brought against you.
If what this letter says is true, then I'm on JV's side. Also,if it is true, it is a shame that the whole site will be destroyed all because of one person's unprofessional behavior.
I'm sure a lot of people disagree with such things (and I don't agree with all of them), but you have to play by the rules to win the game (just as the FSF has done by creating the copyleft). Go ahead, flame me!
but I believe you're wrong. If I where to say to someone "I'm gonna find you and waste your pathetic loser ass into fish food for my pet pirhanas!" that would be a physical threat and I could be charged with assault. The right to free speach (in the US) does not mean you can say whatever the hell you wish - this has been well established in US courts, the typical example of this is yelling "fire" in a crowded theater when there is none - putting the crowd in a panic and endangering lives. Likewise, you can not say whatever you like about whomever you like. This may lead to a character depravation lawsuit - the US tabloids deal with this often. In short, if you are trying to damage someone's reputation by making false claims or such, legal action can be brought against you.
If what this letter says is true, then I'm on JV's side. Also,if it is true, it is a shame that the whole site will be destroyed all because of one person's unprofessional behavior.
I'm sure a lot of people disagree with such things (and I don't agree with all of them), but you have to play by the rules to win the game (just as the FSF has done by creating the copyleft). Go ahead, flame me!
However, since Apache is privately owned (ie has not stock to sell) a takeover is not possible (of course, Apache could sell out, but I doubt it).
Also, I beleive that if Apache started charging for its software anyone could take the existing code base (BSD isn't it?) and redistribute it for free (much like a Linux distro). Then again, I'm not really familiar with the BSD - I'm more of a GPL person. Anyone care to confirm this?
like many before him, he could hire a marketing firm, pay them to pick a slick and buzzword complient name, and then charge for it.
In OSS, you may not get as much $$ as those that charge for their work, but one of the main motivations is exposure. Just as Linux was named after Linus giving him credit for what he started, let Mr.Reiser have credit for what he has done. sheesh!
BTW - if you had gone to Mr.Reiser's web page and actually read it you would have seen that he addressed this at the bottom of the paper.
that are never seen by the general public are never required to wear ties. Likewise, if an exec doesn't have a press conferance or other PR related event she/he will usually dress down. However, as a general rule, any time you are going to be representing your company to the public it is recommented that you dress-up (in this case a tie isn't a bad idea - jeans and T-shirt a definate no). The same goes for consultants - when I go on site I wear a tie. Not because I like it (I find thim quite uncomfortable), but out of respect for the company that has paid for my flight/room/meals/time/etc and also because at that point I AM the company that I represent.
don't use yahoo. Use AltaVista, or even better, www.google.com (a Linux based search engine). I don't use geocities (most of the pages I've seen have been crap, and those adds are plain annoying), but until yahoo makes some changes to the contract or they can justify themselvs I will search elsewere.
most of America doesn't need the uptime of Linux. However, there is a difference between shuting down at the end of the day and a forced reboot or crash. Before I started using Linux I, like many, used Win3.1/95. The shutdown at the end of the day was never a problem. However, having to wait for reboots after installing or making a config change was a real pain. The real kicker though was when Windows would crash while I was working on a paper, compiling, browsing the web, printing, etc. If windows crashes weren't that often we wouldn't have the acronym BSOD.
This is great ammo that I will gladdly use against all the health freaks here in Santa Cruz, Ca.
/. can the topic of caffeine lead to a debate about China and human rights :)
I'm feed-up with these folks that tell me that drinking coffee and eating meat is going to kill me - the funny part is that most of them are smoking cigs or pot while telling me this. Let me have my caffeine in peace!
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