Well done, sir. 24 minutes after the article was posted someone finally made what i believe is the most apt point.
Without the checks and balances (warrant process) built into our system--which, btw, are being systematically removed in the name of expediency--this kind of power will be abused.
Once the police have blanket access granted to ISP/phone logs I bet we start seeing stories about how soandso got his police friend to find out that his wife was looking at personal ads online then covering her tracks on the local system. I could come up with another 10 way more wicked uses of this power in 10 minutes.
The potential for abuse overrides the "difficulty" of getting a warrant. Prove that is untrue or stop making these idiotic rulings, judges!
I agree. You should absolutely let your kids do whatever they want without consequences. That teaches them a lot about the real world because as we all know in the real world you can do whatever you want without consequences.
Kyle: Excuse me, sir? I think I know who did this. We saw this guy at the last crime scene, and, and you know how serial killers sometimes return to the scene of the crime? Well, I followed this guy to his house, and when he left again, I collected some fingerprints and did a blood-sample analysis. [holds out his findings] I'm pretty sure he's your man.
Lou (detective): [coolly] How do you know?? Are you psychic??
Kyle: No.
Lou: Look, kid, don't waste my time with your blood-sampling fingerprinty hocus-pocus! I have to find this new killer now! I owe it to that victim over there! I know she hadn't been in any recent episodes, but DAMNIT she deserved better than this! Come on, Murph, we've gotta talk to Eric Cartman again!
Laws must be evaluated not primarily on the basis of what good they attempt to do but on the possible abuses they would allow. Just off the top of my head for this law: It's a lot easier to frame someone by putting some DNA evidence of them (i.e. a few strands of hair) at a crime scene than lifting their fingerprints and convincingly planting them.
Now I'm no lawyer, but the thing about the cases mentioned in this article is that you can still get DNA from ANYONE you want with a court ordered search warrant. And I'd think that would be pretty easy if someone is arrested under suspicion of rape, burglary, etc.
The problem with the current system is you have to go fill out paperwork, talk to a judge, all that WORK that apparently our police and detectives don't feel like doing. The current system allows for collecting DNA in a responsible fashion.
The proponents of this bill as with every bill of this type will bring in tear soaked mothers talking about their children in order to sway you with emotion. They know that your primitive emotional response will trump your intellect basically guaranteeing you make an unreasoned decision. Not cool.
Installing software on my computer -- especially software that is designed to make YOUR software work better, at the possible expense of others -- without my knowledge or consent is COMPLETELY EXPECTED. Period. And deliberately making uninstall difficult? EXACTLY WHAT THEY ALWAYS DO!!!
There, fixed that for you.
Shame on MS. They have been through this before and should know better. Bad. Bad. Negative points. Sad, sad negative Karma.
You realize that's like saying "Shame on Satan. He should know better."
There must be a rule for this somewhere. Ah, here it is.
rule #203821: If a thing can be used for the benefit of someone it will be.
This is a hard thing to legislate without coming up against a countless number of ways the legislation could be misused.
Most sites on the internet don't have strict identity controls. Anyone can create an account and claim to be someone else. If you begin to think that's not the case then you're bound to get duped.
Your opinion, sir, is in direct violation of the will of God! "Be fruitful and multiply", did he not say? We must multiply, not divide! Or add, or subtract for that matter... And integrals? Heresy.
This brings up a great question. What if showing real violence the way it actually happens is actually better for kids than cartoon violence? Because when you toss an explosive at someone in real life (or one of those naughty, violent games) they tend to have very bad things happen to them. But in cartoons and lots of TV like you said they just fly harmlessly across the room, singe their eyebrows, whatever.
For me, I have more respect for the impact of real violence seeing it played out realistically in video games and it only serves to bolster my convictions that violence in real life is not something I want to do.
All of this is academic until it works in people that already have cancer that formed over a range of timelines and circumstances, (like it does in the real world). Research methods are so narrow and removed real world cases that it's no wonder there has been little progress in cancer treatment despite the billion$ spent every year.
Thanks for the clarification. I recall reading another post of yours elsewhere in this thread and I was like.. I thought I was disagreeing with that guy but we're definitely not.
Your assertion seems right on.
What's fun is running XP on modern hardware. Then you have all those extra cycles for running applications, which is pretty much the point of an OS. I wiped Vista and installed XP and it's flying so fast I can now run all those silly add-ons like google desktop and not even notice. But the cool thing is if I really need the cycles I can get them back anytime I want without having to dig into the OS.
Very good question. Now I'm sorry that I can't contribute any deviant data to your study but as an old-fashioned, generic late twenties hetero male without a girlfriend I find that self-satisfaction makes me care much less about heading to the clubs and hooking up than when I don't.
Now I don't know if you can apply that logic to other groups with other tendencies but there ya go.
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Sorry, no option for +1 4chan...
We don't have to avoid the cosmonauts, but we should deny them our essence.
Our bodies aren't exactly defenseless...
Well done, sir. 24 minutes after the article was posted someone finally made what i believe is the most apt point.
Without the checks and balances (warrant process) built into our system--which, btw, are being systematically removed in the name of expediency--this kind of power will be abused.
Once the police have blanket access granted to ISP/phone logs I bet we start seeing stories about how soandso got his police friend to find out that his wife was looking at personal ads online then covering her tracks on the local system. I could come up with another 10 way more wicked uses of this power in 10 minutes.
The potential for abuse overrides the "difficulty" of getting a warrant. Prove that is untrue or stop making these idiotic rulings, judges!
Mine was more of an ACK. ACK!!
I agree. You should absolutely let your kids do whatever they want without consequences. That teaches them a lot about the real world because as we all know in the real world you can do whatever you want without consequences.
You make a very good point. Why should we expect literacy from consumers? Not to fret, the techs at Fry's will hold their hand.
Close, so close. It's actually crab people that are the problem.
Ok, then let's discuss it. I've never seen it explained how that is self-contradictory so if you have knowledge to share, please share.
Because too many of us have demonstrated a willingness to give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety.
And as we deserve, we are getting neither liberty nor safety.
I'm guessing this is sarcasm, but I've seen people express this view seriously and it makes me wonder if some people even want to be free.
South Park - Cartman's Incredible Gift
Kyle: Excuse me, sir? I think I know who did this. We saw this guy at the last crime scene, and, and you know how serial killers sometimes return to the scene of the crime? Well, I followed this guy to his house, and when he left again, I collected some fingerprints and did a blood-sample analysis. [holds out his findings] I'm pretty sure he's your man.
Lou (detective): [coolly] How do you know?? Are you psychic??
Kyle: No.
Lou: Look, kid, don't waste my time with your blood-sampling fingerprinty hocus-pocus! I have to find this new killer now! I owe it to that victim over there! I know she hadn't been in any recent episodes, but DAMNIT she deserved better than this! Come on, Murph, we've gotta talk to Eric Cartman again!
Laws must be evaluated not primarily on the basis of what good they attempt to do but on the possible abuses they would allow. Just off the top of my head for this law: It's a lot easier to frame someone by putting some DNA evidence of them (i.e. a few strands of hair) at a crime scene than lifting their fingerprints and convincingly planting them.
Now I'm no lawyer, but the thing about the cases mentioned in this article is that you can still get DNA from ANYONE you want with a court ordered search warrant. And I'd think that would be pretty easy if someone is arrested under suspicion of rape, burglary, etc.
The problem with the current system is you have to go fill out paperwork, talk to a judge, all that WORK that apparently our police and detectives don't feel like doing. The current system allows for collecting DNA in a responsible fashion.
The proponents of this bill as with every bill of this type will bring in tear soaked mothers talking about their children in order to sway you with emotion. They know that your primitive emotional response will trump your intellect basically guaranteeing you make an unreasoned decision. Not cool.
Installing software on my computer -- especially software that is designed to make YOUR software work better, at the possible expense of others -- without my knowledge or consent is COMPLETELY EXPECTED . Period. And deliberately making uninstall difficult? EXACTLY WHAT THEY ALWAYS DO!!!
There, fixed that for you.
Shame on MS. They have been through this before and should know better. Bad. Bad. Negative points. Sad, sad negative Karma.
You realize that's like saying "Shame on Satan. He should know better."
There must be a rule for this somewhere. Ah, here it is.
rule #203821: If a thing can be used for the benefit of someone it will be.
This is a hard thing to legislate without coming up against a countless number of ways the legislation could be misused.
Most sites on the internet don't have strict identity controls. Anyone can create an account and claim to be someone else. If you begin to think that's not the case then you're bound to get duped.
Conditioning Spills Over Into Real Life
There, fixed that for you.
Well most obviously, you use photons to make photon torpedoes. You can't use protons for that, duh.
Your opinion, sir, is in direct violation of the will of God! "Be fruitful and multiply", did he not say? We must multiply, not divide! Or add, or subtract for that matter... And integrals? Heresy.
So maybe instead they should just ask parents to parent.
That's just crazy talk.
This brings up a great question. What if showing real violence the way it actually happens is actually better for kids than cartoon violence? Because when you toss an explosive at someone in real life (or one of those naughty, violent games) they tend to have very bad things happen to them. But in cartoons and lots of TV like you said they just fly harmlessly across the room, singe their eyebrows, whatever.
For me, I have more respect for the impact of real violence seeing it played out realistically in video games and it only serves to bolster my convictions that violence in real life is not something I want to do.
All of this is academic until it works in people that already have cancer that formed over a range of timelines and circumstances, (like it does in the real world). Research methods are so narrow and removed real world cases that it's no wonder there has been little progress in cancer treatment despite the billion$ spent every year.
Thanks for the clarification. I recall reading another post of yours elsewhere in this thread and I was like.. I thought I was disagreeing with that guy but we're definitely not. Your assertion seems right on.
What's fun is running XP on modern hardware. Then you have all those extra cycles for running applications, which is pretty much the point of an OS. I wiped Vista and installed XP and it's flying so fast I can now run all those silly add-ons like google desktop and not even notice. But the cool thing is if I really need the cycles I can get them back anytime I want without having to dig into the OS.
And there are already laws against this.
Very good question. Now I'm sorry that I can't contribute any deviant data to your study but as an old-fashioned, generic late twenties hetero male without a girlfriend I find that self-satisfaction makes me care much less about heading to the clubs and hooking up than when I don't.
Now I don't know if you can apply that logic to other groups with other tendencies but there ya go.