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Wikileaks Publishes $1B of Public Domain Research Reports

laird writes "Wikileaks has released nearly a billion dollars worth of quasi-secret reports commissioned by the United States Congress. The 6,780 reports, current as of this month, comprise over 127,000 pages of material on some of the most contentious issues in the nation, from the U.S. relationship with Israel to abortion legislation. Nearly 2,300 of the reports were updated in the last 12 months, while the oldest report goes back to 1990. The release represents the total output of the Congressional Research Service (CRS) electronically available to Congressional offices. The CRS is Congress's analytical agency and has a budget in excess of $100M per year. Although all CRS reports are legally in the public domain, they are quasi-secret because the CRS, as a matter of policy, makes the reports available only to members of Congress, Congressional committees and select sister agencies such as the GAO. Members of Congress are free to selectively release CRS reports to the public but are only motivated to do so when they feel the results would assist them politically. Universally embarrassing reports are kept quiet."

231 comments

  1. Where do I send my donations? by drdanny_orig · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's good work, folks. Keep it up.

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    1. Re:Where do I send my donations? by nxsty · · Score: 5, Informative
    2. Re:Where do I send my donations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is? Can I have your family's most secret reports too? Idiots.

  2. The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    "Although all CRS reports are legally in the public domain, they are quasi-secret because the CRS, as a matter of policy, makes the reports available only to members of Congress, Congressional committees and select sister agencies such as the GAO. Members of Congress are free to selectively release CRS reports to the public but are only motivated to do so when they feel the results would assist them politically. Universally embarrassing reports are kept quiet."

    The U.S. government is extremely corrupt.

    1. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by Jurily · · Score: 0, Redundant

      The U.S. government is extremely corrupt.

      The bad thing is, it's all legal.

    2. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bill Buchanan is right!

    3. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Informative

      I actually went though and read a few at random, and there's nothing super-secret there.

      The documents are actually reassuring because they state that people are aware that things are wrong. Among the few I briefly scanned are paraphrased thusly: "Oil companies are fixing prices and US law should render oil cartels illegal", "CEO's make way too much damn money, even as their companies are being run into the ground", etc.

      Again, the documents are basically admissions that our country is fucked up. Disclaimer: I haven't scanned all of them, and I hope that the discussion turns up interesting facts.

    4. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The U.S. government is extremely corrupt.

      Human beings are extremely corrupt.

      There, fixed that for ya.

      Kill all humans!

    5. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by mysticgoat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All governments are corrupt. From nations down to neighborhood associations.

      It is the nature of some men and women to seek power over others, and because of this driving need, they are more likely to end up in government positions than other persons who might be more qualified in all kinds of ways, but who are not attracted to power. It is also true that those who are ethically unencumbered are more likely to win the races they enter than anyone who tries to follow the rules. The end result is the old adage I first heard applied to the Chicago political machine of the 1960s:

      A government does not have to be good, and rarely is. It only has to be good enough that the populace will tolerate it.

      The US Constitution was built with this in mind. Its system of checks and balances are designed to keep the natural corruptive nature of politics reined in by making it very difficult for any one individual or group from obtaining across the board power. I think we could now design a better system, since we know a lot more now, and we have some neat technologies that were not available back in the day. But so long as what we've got is good enough, that's not going to happen.

      Wikileaks has just raised the bar by shining light into some murky corners. Back room deals and cover-ups that used to be good enough are not good enough any longer... and that's a big win for the Nation.

    6. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by mpe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The U.S. government is extremely corrupt.

      Corruption is a fairly common attribute of government. Regardless of when and where in human history you look... Power can both corrupt and attract the corrupt/easily corruptable. What's actually more worrying is when people display such great faith that "their government" is immune to or free of corruption.

    7. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 0, Redundant

      A government does not have to be good, and rarely is. It only has to be good enough that the populace will tolerate it.

      A government has to do much, much more than that.

      It must be in compliance (and at times, enforce others' compliance) with the basic laws of economics, or it will starve first it's people, then itself.

      It has to protect itself from outside influence (it must "keep the barbarians out of the gates"), or it will quickly find itself swamped and destroyed from within.

      It has to attack part of it's citizenry to protect other parts, ie. it has to enforce the laws.

      It has to attack people outside of it's jurisdiction to protect it's trade relations (in other words : it has to attack pirates outside it's borders or refrain totally from international trade).

      And finally : It has to attack "outsiders" to protect it's citizenry, intrests and critical resources that may be in limited supply or not available domestically.

      Fail on any of these and the government will die quicker than you can say "revolution". Unless you believe everyone is just "naturally good", in which case you should share with me me some of that stuff you're smoking ...

    8. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by hobbit · · Score: 2, Funny

      It is also true that those who are ethically unencumbered are more likely to win the races they enter than anyone who tries to follow the rules.

      Apparently if you smoke a little weed every now and again you can kick ass in the swimming pool.

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    9. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by Cowmonaut · · Score: 1

      That's a little redundant. IMO, "good enough" means doing everything you've said there, not necessarily as well as can be done but they do it. He wasn't saying "good" as in the white knight sense, as corruption is not the same thing as evil.

    10. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Those who desire power tend to be the least deserving of it.

    11. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Those who desire power tend to be the least deserving of it.

      Those who desire power tend to be those who can least be trusted with it.

      There, fixed that for ya.

      Fight the power!

    12. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by quarterbuck · · Score: 1

      More importantly, they seem to be collection of information from public sources that legislators can quickly read up. And since they report sources (newspapers, congressional reports etc.) , they sound very fair and balanced.
      This is far from secret information, but is a great thing to read when you need background information on policy matters. Also gives an idea what legislators are looking at when they have to vote on items they have no clue about.
      Kudos to the guys who wrote this stuff up

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    13. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by LanMan04 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We should draft random people to become politicians.

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    14. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 4, Funny

      And the geek shall inherit the Earth.

    15. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by Hordeking · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The U.S. government is extremely corrupt.

      Good job. You get a gold star.

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    16. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by VisceralLogic · · Score: 1

      I guess that would make it truly a representative government.

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    17. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by syntaxglitch · · Score: 4, Funny
      Don't forget the classic Douglas Adams quote!

      To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.

    18. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Kind of like jury duty?

      "Really, I'd love to go to Washington DC and represent my area, but unfortunately I have a dentist appointment that week..."

    19. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by FLEB · · Score: 2

      Both sides of this argument have debatable value.

      On one hand, the everyday person is less likely to be the aforementioned power-seeking personality, and has not had to compromise or ignore better values to beat the competition. They did not have to work their way up through the political world, and, thus, they may likely have a less influenced or constricted view of solving problems. They could bring a detached logic to systems and procedures that have gotten too bogged down in themselves.

      On the other hand, a more ordinary person, given such power without the preparation or experience of the political world, is likely to become little more than a tool of smooth-talking, manipulative power-seekers. They would not have reliable mentors or experience that would allow them to identify and withstand others' self-serving deception. Experienced politicians fill the same sort of need as having an attorney to guide a person through the maze of legal procedure and argument-- there are plenty of traps and details, both logical and absurd, relevant and irrelevant, that would blindside the average person.

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    20. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by spun · · Score: 1

      Draft a group of fifty at random, let anyone in that group who wants to drop out do so, and let people vote amongst the candidates that are left. That should at least weed out a few of the sociopaths and mentally challenged who would eventually be selected by a purely random process. Anyone who serves is taken out of the pool, as is anyone convicted of a felony.

      Of course, the down side would potentially be that the power vultures would descend on the lot of them and corrupt or destroy them before we had a chance to elect a decent one. I suppose we could put the candidates in an isolated facility with television, radio, and Internet capabilities for a month or so and let them convince us who to vote for. It would be a hugely popular reality show.

      The Secret Service would swoop down on the potential candidates in helicopters and ask them on live camera if they choose to serve or not. They have two minutes to decide, and may choose to call one 'life-line' for help making the decision. If they choose to serve, they would be whisked off to the top secret isolation facility.

      We could also surround the facility with vicious animals and deadly traps and let any lobbyists that managed to make it to the place alive get their say. Drug them, blindfold them, leave them naked in the wilderness with only a towel and a bowie knife. I'd watch that. We could then let the audience vote on whether to discharge the traps or release the hounds as the lobbyists passed by. "NO honey! That's a Greenpeace activist, what are you doing don't press the-" "Aaaaiiiieeeeee!" "Sorry, sweetie, I think they're kooks." "You are SO sleeping on the couch tonight!"

      While they were isolated, the media and sleuths both amateur and professional would, of course, go nuts on their backgrounds. Every character flaw would be exposed and debated, every detail from their past picked over for hints about their true positions. Only narcissists, fools, the naive, and the truly innocent would volunteer when their names were called. Our job would be to separate the last from the first three.

      As long as we kept a very careful watch on the selection process to make sure their was no fraud or bias in the system, it seems like it would be a better system than we have now, especially if we had a voting system that followed the Condorcet method. We would, at the very least, tend to have the most attractive politicians in the world.

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    21. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by adavies42 · · Score: 1

      sortition (aka "election by lot")
      not the worst idea in the world, actually

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    22. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by msouth · · Score: 1

      I keep re-reading through this, but I am not getting the part where you see this as different than what we do now?

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    23. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by msouth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We should draft random people to become politicians.

      Ah, yes! Use force! Only by taking away freedom (the freedom not to be a politician) can we protect freedom!

      That's my knee-jerk reaction, and it's like that for a reason--just about the only thing anyone ever proposes is more force. Forcing banks to lend money to people that wouldn't have qualified for loans under the bank's own rules, coupled with the creation (again, through force of federal law) things like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac which gave institutions a place to unburden themselves of that debt, got us into the mess we have now. And the first thing people think (well, to give them credit, they did stop it the first time, but when the fear mongering set in, they caved) is "the government should do something". And when they say that, they mean "by force".

      Every time you think of or hear of a possible government solution to a problem, ask yourself if this is just another scheme to try to use force to make things the way someone thinks they should be. Force is seductive--it looks so easy. End poverty! Take all the rich bastards' money and give it to the poor! Stop the horrors of drug addiction! Make drugs illegal! Prostitution is immoral! Make it illegal! Pornography {feminist: victimizes women!} {religious right:offends God!} It should be illegal!

      The alternative is _so_ _much_ _more_ _work_! It staggers the mind to think of what it would take to teach, encourage, get people to choose to do the thing you think is right. Some of them might not ever do it. It would be _so_ _much_ _easier_ to just _make_ them! And that, basically, is what you get from the left and the right. A plan to force others to do things they way they think they should be done.

      The thing is, the people that are in positions of power aren't the problem. It's the power that we have conceded to them. The constitution does not give the government the right to do 1/3rd (made that up, I bet it's actually smaller) of what it does. What we should do is work to reign government back to what the constitution says it is. Then you can fret less about who gets elected, because they will have less power to mess up your life.

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    24. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by ConfusedVorlon · · Score: 1

      That's kinda what we do in the UK with the house of Lords. Some folks (fewer now than before) get to inherit their position and ability to influence government.

      people complain about unelected lords passing judgement, but there are advantages to having folks who never need to stand for election in a position to delay or modify laws. As an example, recently the house of lords has been instrumental in stopping the government proposal to allow 42 days detention without charge.

    25. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by Richard+W.M.+Jones · · Score: 1

      We should draft random people to become politicians.

      This was tried before - in a few ancient Greek city-states, notably in Athens. Actually in Athens there were a number of restrictions - age, gender and status-related - but it was by and large a random allotment to administrative roles. The Athenian experiment is educational, and relevant today, even though it happened 2,500 years ago. That Wikipedia page summarises it better than I can.

      Rich.

    26. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by oneTheory · · Score: 1

      Close, so close. It's actually crab people that are the problem.

    27. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      There's no random selection, and no balance inherent in the system. Simply outspend your competition, and you're statistically more likely to get voted in - simply because you have more name recognition.

      Here you introduce random selection via a jury-duty style lottery, and then all the candidates are on the same equal budgetary footing. The rest is the still the same. :-)

    28. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      Yet we "force" people into Jury Duty.

    29. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by nasch · · Score: 1

      His plan results in lobbyists getting killed on live TV. And it uses the Condorcet method.

    30. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by kabocox · · Score: 1

      Corruption is a fairly common attribute of government. Regardless of when and where in human history you look... Power can both corrupt and attract the corrupt/easily corruptible. What's actually more worrying is when people display such great faith that "their government" is immune to or free of corruption.

      There are days when I think that we need to twick a few parts of how government is run. First off we like elections, so we've got to keep those. What we don't like is the political parties and politicians that we get stuck with. I'd like a nice easy app that would plop out the nearest valid citizen to run for office/be drafted into office given a lat/log position. Every time the local level on up that there is an elected position that doesn't have anyone running to fill it or that has only one person running, we'd use the the little app to generate a valid name from within that town, county, or state. That name would show up on the ballot. (Actually, I think every elected position should have 3-5 choices and the incubate shouldn't be labeled as such on the ballot.) This would mean our actual government would be more like the class room governments that we had in school. No one wants to do the job, so the teacher just randomly picks a few names from the class and we vote which of the two has to take the job.

      I also think those that want to run for any elected office should serve a community service prison sentence after their term in office (the term of service is the length of the time that they were in office.) Actually community service isn't quite where I think that they need to be, but I think then we could potentially get some useful work out of politicians after they are out of office. (This assumes and treats all politicians like criminals just to be on the safe side.)

    31. Re:The U.S. government is extremely corrupt. by msouth · · Score: 1

      Yet we "force" people into Jury Duty.

      Yeah, that's not necessarily the right thing to do, either. What would happen if people voluntarily opted out, for example? I don't know. People have explored possibilities there.

      If pressed I could concede jury duty for a few weeks much easier than forcing someone to change careers.

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  3. Sunshine by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unreleased reports are the bane of a modern society.
    Unfavorable medical studies get buries, Congressional reports that never see the light of day.
    Hopefully this ray of sunshine will shake things up and give everyone something to complain about.

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    1. Re:Sunshine by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who is going to take time to read this and miss out on American Idol?

      A lot of people go on about government conspiracies but there is no reason for the government to do anything in secret because it can be done out in the open and most people won't take notice and if they do find out odds are they won't care enough to do anything about it.

    2. Re:Sunshine by worthawholebean · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Watergate? If the offense is particularly egregious, getting it out in the open is usually enough to force change.

    3. Re:Sunshine by Eil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your staggering level of cynicism has been duly noted, but it doesn't change the fact that releasing these reports is beneficial for everyone even if every single person doesn't have an explicit interest in them. As a comparison, relatively few people actually ever utilize their 1st Amendment right to say unpopular things, but the fact that the right exists is invaluable.

      And yes, I do wonder why studies sponsored by my tax dollars weren't publicly available to begin with.

    4. Re:Sunshine by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      Who is going to take time to read this and miss out on American Idol?

      Oh shit am I missing an episode? I better get off slashdot and turn on my TV!

    5. Re:Sunshine by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A lot of people go on about government conspiracies but there is no reason for the government to do anything in secret because it can be done out in the open and most people won't take notice and if they do find out odds are they won't care enough to do anything about it.

      Lets start with government conspiracies. Two examples: telecom spying and extraordinary renditions. The first was done secretly, but journalists knew long before they made it public. The second was done out in the open and a small group of private citizens tracked a fleet of secret CIA jets to a variety of international destinations (which proved hugely embarrassing to quite a few intermediate European countries).

      Most people don't have to take notice, nor do they have to care enough to do anything about it.
      All that matters is that all of the time, some part of the populace cares and is capable of making a good case why "most people" should too.

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    6. Re:Sunshine by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      No one has to.

      1) What is your agenda?
      2) Find data relating to that agenda.
      3) Cite relevant reports on that agenda. People who don't read sources won't matter, but those who do can see reports from the *government* about it.
      4) Advance cause.
      5) ????
      6) PROFIT

    7. Re:Sunshine by clyde_cadiddlehopper · · Score: 1

      "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." - John Gilmore

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    8. Re:Sunshine by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      They will just be classified 'national security issues' and stuck in a cabinet forever.

      THen you wont even know what you are missing out on.

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    9. Re:Sunshine by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 1

      Of course, now that we know about these two examples and millions of people are outraged... ...well, they're still happening. That's a different problem though I guess.

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    10. Re:Sunshine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cry Havoc! and let slip the dogs of war; That this foul deed shall smell above the earth With carrion men, groaning for burial.

    11. Re:Sunshine by mi · · Score: 1

      Then you wont even know what you are missing out on.

      Well there is a much deeper problem... A very prominent US Senator — with, no doubt, unobstructed access to both classified "national security" information and less important secrets — said less than 4 months ago on national TV:

      When we kicked -- along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, "Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don't know -- if you don't, Hezbollah will control it." Now what's happened? Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government in the country immediately to the north of Israel.

      Now Bush had plenty of funny misstatements ("nukular", "misudnerstimate"), but what he meant to say was always completely clear to all listeners. What the above-quoted statement regarding Hezbollah meant, however, remains a mistery:

      1. Nobody has ever kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon — or anywhere else, for that matter.
      2. Nobody has even tried, except Israel (in 2006) — unsuccessfully.
      3. Last time US was in Lebanon, Reagan was President, Hezbollah did not exist, and Barack was still in college.
      4. Last time France was in Lebanon was between World Wars.
      5. Lebanon is not a NATO member, and neither is Israel — the supposed beneficiary of the Senator's advice. There would be no justification to use NATO forces to secure the Hezbollah-free Lebanon, even if the first four issues did not exist.

      And yet, despite all of these facts the Senator's statements went down really well — he was not taken away by mental professionals. In fact, he is now a Vice-President (picked for his supposed "foreign policy expertise").

      A population, that votes this way, has far deeper problems than (un)availability of research data — all of the facts, I enumerated, are very well known and available to everyone — no need to bother "leaking" them. And yet, the senile lunatic moved from the Senate not to a retirement facility, but to within "heart-beat away" from the most powerful office on the planet.

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  4. Saddening by Seraphim_72 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is saddening to have to have this "leaked". It should reside at something like www.Government.us/research/ :(

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    1. Re:Saddening by rah1420 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It should reside at something like www.Government.us/research/

      Hey, there's hope yet. We still have Change We Can Believe In, remember? One of the Changes was greater transparency. (cough)

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    2. Re:Saddening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So start a campaign to get them all published. It's not an executive or judicial branch issue, so focus on congress. Start a grass roots campaign, get some publicity, and embarrass congress into making the reports public. The secret to getting something published in the main stream press is to write the article yourself and give it to a reporter to claim as their own. It has to be well written, generally accessible, and interesting.

      Wait, this is slashdot, and that's a lot of work. So just whine about it, stuff some potato chips in your face, and go back to playing world of warcraft.

    3. Re:Saddening by Protonk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Just a note, the (C) in CRS stands for "Congressional". It operates under legislation, not executive order, so changing its policies requires a little more than changing who is president.

    4. Re:Saddening by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 4, Informative

      One of the Changes was greater transparency. (cough)

      What is it with the readers on Slashdot? A couple of weeks in office and Obama has already loosened several regulations and policies pertaining to transparency, including.

      1. The Ashcroft directive to automatically deny FOIA applications.
      2. Made changes to the Presidential Records Act.
      3. Started work on an Open Government Directive.

      Also as a Senator Obama has been instrumental in legislation fostering transpaency.

      http://www.propublica.org/article/obama-begins-rollback-of-bush-era-secrecy

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Funding_Accountability_and_Transparency_Act_of_2006

      All you have done is revealed your complete lack of knowledge on the topic.

      Maybe you should see a doctor for that cough.

    5. Re:Saddening by kitsunewarlock · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wait...Ron Paul won?

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    6. Re:Saddening by clang_jangle · · Score: 1

      Hey -- I am stuffing potato chips in my face, you insensitive clod!

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    7. Re:Saddening by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 0, Troll

      You have drank the koolaid.

      ACORN can not commit voter fraud.

      Bogus voter registrations is not voter fraud.

      You should wake up to reality.

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    8. Re:Saddening by Znork · · Score: 1, Insightful

      A couple of weeks in office and Obama has already

      Unfortunately, I suspect it's not so much about what he hasn't had time to do, but about what he's also done. Threatening the UK with withdrawing intelligence cooperation if the UK government hands evidence in a torture case to the courts. Appointing RIAA lawyers to significant positions. Nominating no less than three tax evaders. Cozying up with Blair.

      I had some hopes for Obama, and I still hope he wont be as much of a disaster as that last guy, but he's shown either some seriously bad judgment or signs of getting reeled in. It's not a good start.

    9. Re:Saddening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi Karl, gets kinda boring when you're out of a job, eh?

    10. Re:Saddening by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For all we know, this was "leaked" by someone in the administration who wanted to bypass the years of red type required to simply release the stuff...

    11. Re:Saddening by tsm_sf · · Score: 5, Informative

      Threatening the UK with withdrawing intelligence cooperation if the UK government hands evidence in a torture case to the courts.

      Actually what happened here is that the UK government is concerned that the US might withdraw cooperation if the evidence makes it to court. There hasn't been word one from the US on this, let alone a statement or directive from the Prez. I'm not saying that the concern isn't legitimate, but to say that Obama has threatened to withhold intelligence is simply false.

      As usual, The Economist has a good article on the matter.

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    12. Re:Saddening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama's a politician. A politician that talked a better game than most, but still a politician. As such he's not worthy of any more trust or expectation than any other politician.

      Here in the US we'll get "change", but it will be the only thing left in our pockets and wallets.

    13. Re:Saddening by mgblst · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One of the Changes was greater transparency. (cough)

      What is it with the readers on Slashdot?

      This has nothing to do with people on Slashdot, this has to do with Republicans (or Democrats for that matter). No matter what happens, the opposing party will always whinge, lie, cheat, steal to try to make them look better.

    14. Re:Saddening by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      The Bush administration cost America something like $15 Trillion in lost equity value in just its last 4 months. On top of that it cost America something that you cannot put a value on. Respect.

      Obama is going to have to work very hard to top that record of misery.

    15. Re:Saddening by pro-mpd · · Score: 2, Informative

      > www.Government.us/research/

      Ahem. www.crs.gov/reports, lest ye forget the Internet's roots as the U.S. DARPANET.

    16. Re:Saddening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bush administration almost bankrupted not just the united states, but the world. If bush was still in office then the whole world would be put into chaos.

    17. Re:Saddening by RoccamOccam · · Score: 1

      The Bush administration cost America something like $15 Trillion in lost equity value in just its last 4 months.

      Oh really? The lame duck Bush did that, or the Democrats who came to power two years ago?

    18. Re:Saddening by Znork · · Score: 1

      From the very same article you linked:

      "for fear of a grave "threat" made by America last year if the evidence were published"

      "Mr Miliband's lawyers confirmed that under the Obama administration the position had not changed."

      See, apparently there have been words from the US on this, the fact that such communications do not go through the tabloids are hardly surprising. The lack of statements or explicit directives is irrelevant; now it's Obamas administration, the buck stops with him. He could easily make a statement or directive to the contrary and let the UK courts have their evidence and remove any such concern.

      but to say that Obama has threatened to withhold intelligence is simply false.

      Ok, Obama has failed to prevent his subordinates from asserting that no change has been made to the standing threat to withhold intelligence.

      The ethical culpability is the same.

      Of course, should Obama actually issue a directive to allow the release of information I'm not convinced the UK government would comply anyway; personally I suspect the UK partially at least wants to hide their own culpability and is using the US as an excuse.

    19. Re:Saddening by tsm_sf · · Score: 1

      Well, you have two separate quotes from the article...

      Nonetheless, the judges ruled, they could not publish it, owing to evidence from Mr Miliband that America would retaliate by withholding vital intelligence in future, thereby placing Britain at risk.

      After the judges ruled, Mr Miliband denied that America had issued a direct threat.

      So you could say that there was an implied threat from the US on this, and that the president has not explicitly refuted the implication, but that's still quite a ways from the OP's claim. You could even make the argument that the current situation is worse than a direct threat, since it involves a court second-guessing the whims of a foreign power, but again this just simply isn't what the OP said happened.

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    20. Re:Saddening by MadMidnightBomber · · Score: 1

      Actually what happened here is that the UK government is concerned that the US might withdraw cooperation if the evidence makes it to court.

      That's what the UK government says. They've repeatedly misled the public about the whole war-on-terror thing, so you'll excuse us (British citizens) for not taking their word for it. (cf. SFO investigation into BAE being dropped after the Saudis complained.)

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    21. Re:Saddening by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      No reason for the long urls. We have excellent TLDs for this, just place them on http://reports.gov/ which I hope will come online right after http://secrets.mil/

    22. Re:Saddening by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      ..embarrass congress...

      Do you really think it's possible to embarrass people who have no sense of shame?

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    23. Re:Saddening by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 0

      Considering the timing, and the fact that Bush had 7 years in office before the first problems manifested themselves, the answer is clear.

      Further research shows that 3 of those 7 years were spent arguing change in the policies that are now thought to be responsible for the crisis ...

      to those arguments house democrats basically shouted "racist". After all, not giving unreasonable amounts of money to black/poor/(insert favorite victim group here) people is clearly racism !

    24. Re:Saddening by randyest · · Score: 1

      OK, I'll bite: how is "bogus" (fraudulent) voter registrations not voter fraud?

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    25. Re:Saddening by mi · · Score: 1

      The Bush administration cost America something like $15 Trillion in lost equity value in just its last 4 months.

      Awesome... Despite the crisis being repeatedly tracked right to the sadly-successful efforts by Democratic Party and "community organizers" to loosen lending standards to provide mortgages to people, who can't pay them off, out comes someone like yourself to lay the blame on the Republican administration...

      The 1999 article, which NYT has completely forgotten about, of course, reads: Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people [...] there remain too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our underwriting has required

      Ten years later Clinton's chickens are back to roost... Bush's they aren't.

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    26. Re:Saddening by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      According to this theory Fannie Mae should be the only financial institution that got into trouble.

      The real root of the problem was the 2004 SEC change that allowed investment banks to double their amount of leverage, something that Paulson argued for in 2000 as head of Goldman Sacks. As soon as this happened the market for mortgage backed securities took off like a rocket, and the amount of subprime mortgages exploded because of the appetite for MBS..

      This giant national nightmare is clearly the fault of a Republican administration that allowed this change in regulations.

    27. Re:Saddening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple, registration to vote and actually voting are 2 different things. The worst that can happen is the guy just padding his registration portfolio gets fired for signing up mickey mouse and santa clause as local voters. They do this as they're most likely paid by quota, so they hope to get a pay check before anyone notices.

      Acorn is a community action service, while the administrators may mean well, they usually attract employees only slightly better then minimum wage burger flippers, but less so then telemarketers.

      Get your head screwed on straight.

    28. Re:Saddening by mi · · Score: 1

      According to this theory Fannie Mae should be the only financial institution that got into trouble.

      And it was the first one to be taken over by the taxpayer, yes.

      The real root of the problem was the 2004 SEC change that allowed investment banks to double their amount of leverage

      This and other things may have contributed, but were not "the root". The root was, no doubt, planted in the Clinton era by the events I bring up. There were, to be sure, other mistakes made by participants of the free market, but they all stemmed from the same now-misconception: that somebody somewhere lending their own money was checking the people's credit-worthiness and inspecting the properties mortgaged. This was a perfectly fine assumption up until the discussed change in Fannie Mae's mission. The free market just didn't realize, how bad the government's meddling can be with banks happily issuing mortgages, they knew, the would be able to sell to FM for profit. This led to seemingly-unending rise in the housing prices, which affected even the mortgages not sold to the taxpayer — as credit-worthy applicants found themselves competing with government-sponsored "a notch below" people.

      This giant national nightmare is clearly the fault of a Republican administration that allowed this change in regulations.

      A more partisan statement is hard to imagine. Let's ignore the 1990-ies folly of the Democrats and their uber-Left cohorts, and blame the subsequent Republican administration instead.

      We'll never finish the debate over whether the folly was "the root" — as, I'm sure, you'll keep finding little subsequent bits to blame — so let's just agree, that it was indeed a folly. To give mortgages to people, hitherto unqualified to receive them, for political (and/or charity) reasons was stupid. They did not suddenly become able to repay them — they moved into the houses, and ended up unable to pay. The agony was extended for a few years, as the prices kept rising and they were able to refinance over and over (the most popular subject of spam-emails for a while), but ended up "underwater" anyway. So, the "charity" hurt them at the end, and the only people benefiting are the said Democrats, who are now busy blaming the disaster on the Republicans...

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    29. Re:Saddening by randyest · · Score: 1

      Voter registration is a precursor to voting. Fraudulent registration is fraud, if not voter fraud. And is certainly makes voter fraud easier and more likely. Whatever their intentions at Acorn, this is illegal and must be stopped. Get my head "screwed on straight?" How about you get a clue.

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    30. Re:Saddening by KovaaK · · Score: 1

      Whatever their intentions at Acorn, this is illegal and must be stopped.

      Actually, if they didn't turn in those registrations, that would be illegal. What Acorn was doing is perfectly compliant with the law. The reason for this law is to prevent potential discrimination of groups like this from seeing the Republican box checked and throwing it away claiming that it was invalid. Be happy it's this way.

      If some smart-ass college student fills out a registration as Santa Claus, then Acorn flags (or not - their call) that registration as "probably fake" and HAS to hand it in. Similarly, if the Acorn workers on the street make up a few registrations to reach supposed quotas (there are varying reports on if they are only paid hourly or if they receive bonuses for handing in extra registrations), the people who see those HAVE to hand it in.

      At the end of the process, it isn't any individual working for Acorn who decides which voter registration is valid or not - individual states handle all of that. Acorn just hands over the registrations to the states. Blaming Acorn for handing in fraudulent registrations when they are required by law to do exactly that is stupid. Drop it already.

    31. Re:Saddening by randyest · · Score: 1

      There's no such law; you just made all that up. Why do you so badly want to defend the fraudsters at Acorn?

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    32. Re:Saddening by KovaaK · · Score: 1

      Source. In that link, there is a debate between Cleta Mitchell (attorney specializing in election law who has represented several Republican legislators, the National Rifle Association and the National Republican Senatorial Committee) and Bertha Lewis, Chief Organizer for ACORN.

      Bertha claims the following:

      We are nonpartisan. We don't tell people to be one party or another. We just want to make sure that they do vote and that they're not disenfranchised. And so, once we collect cards-and I think your audience ought to know-any time you register someone to vote, you have to turn in every single card, by law, even if it says Mickey Mouse. And what we do is we flag, we tag problematic cards, because we try to confirm and verify that card by calling folks three times. And if we think something even remotely looks suspicious, we tag it, we flag it, we turn it over to election officials. And along with that, we also turn over to election officials the worker that collected those suspicious cards.

      Look closely at Cletcha's responses throughout the entire discussion. She never once claimed that they are illegally handing in false registrations. The source of the problem with the false registrations is deeper than you have been led to believe - you are poorly educated on the topic.

      If you want me to spell it out for you, I'll do so:

      ACORN claims that many citizens who should be eligible to vote aren't eligible because of the restrictions in place of voters needing to provide an ID such as a drivers license. Many poor minorities who are legal citizens of the US don't have such ID's, and thus are prevented from voting. To my knowledge, this is exactly what some loud left-wingers are crying about regarding 2000/2004 being "stolen" - groups of legitimate voters who are known to support their candidate on a larger scale were effectively blocked from voting.

      Groups like ACORN are trying to get these laws removed so that the poor minorities aren't blocked from voting.

      The problem is that if ACORN get their way, suddenly we can have people (of either side) voting fraudulently without ID. This is, IMO, a terrible idea. We need a better solution.

      As for claiming that I made that up instead of just asking for a source... *sigh*. People like you who spend time talking about ACORN turning in fraudulent registrations are getting absolutely nothing accomplished, because you are making a mountain out of a molehill. There are real issues to debate, but you are focusing on the imaginary ones and calling the real ones lies.

    33. Re:Saddening by randyest · · Score: 1

      Thanks for finally admitting that you did make it all up. Or at least that you don't understand that your "source" is the furthest thing from a law or even legal precedent, which is what you claimed previously. Moreover, requiring ID to vote has been upheld as legal in many jurisdictions and is likely to be upheld in many more. There is nothing inherently wrong with this, especially since those jurisdictions tend to provide ID services for free, and often even via mobile vans that go to their houses. You know, to make sure that this huge chunk of poor people who allegedly cannot afford ID are provided it for free and with no personal inconvenience. Assuming they are legal citizens with legal right to vote, that is. That's still a requirement, you know?

      I suspect you have a more significant claim that you're not presenting very clearly, or perhaps I'm just not getting it. But if it makes a difference, I want Acorn broken up and the perpetrators of registration and/or voter fraud jailed. This warning shot, followed by much more stringent voter regulation, including ID requirements, should do well to meet what I consider the needs for a fair vote.

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    34. Re:Saddening by KovaaK · · Score: 1

      Oh, you're a troll. My bad.

    35. Re:Saddening by randyest · · Score: 1

      Your second sentence is correct. But your first isn't. Check out my post history, and keep in mind that not everyone who disagrees with you or even distrusts your unsubstantiated claims is a troll.

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    36. Re:Saddening by KovaaK · · Score: 1

      Alright guy, if you don't believe my source which involves two people who actually have a wealth of information on the topic (the person who shares your view didn't bring up your point once because it is in fact a non-point), then how about this.

      It seems pretty widespread that election officials want every form that is filled out, regardless of if it is believed to be falsified or not. After all, do you think it makes sense to allow these groups to selectively decide which registrations are OK to send along to the election officials? But I'm repeating myself here... can you read my longer post up above there and stop acting like a dick?

    37. Re:Saddening by randyest · · Score: 1

      Oh cool, a google search with a bunch of blogs in the result. Awesome! That changes everything!

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  5. For the .01% of the people who would read it... by Improv · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For the .01% of the people who would actually read stuff like this, this is fantastic. It's important that the public has access to this, and a shame that no suitable politician has decided to request all the reports and publish the whole lot (is there any reason this is not the case? Contact your representatives!).

    For the rest of us, this is more in a long line of public information that we'll never read - more (potentially interesting but lost among the rest) documents are published by the military, various departments, etc, than we could shake a stick at, and it'd already be a fulltime job to even try to read everything in a field.

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    1. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For the rest of us, this is more in a long line of public information that we'll never read - more (potentially interesting but lost among the rest) documents are published by the military, various departments, etc, than we could shake a stick at,

      Think tanks, research groups, journalists, students, historians and a whole passle of other professions will find this stuff invaluable.

      They have always provided a filter between raw material and the general public. I guarantee that these reports will immediately start getting cited in journals and newspaper articles. Best of all, we can read the primary source without having to pay the RAND Corporation or some other think tank $XYZ to get our hands on the document.

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    2. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by Protonk · · Score: 3, Informative

      For the rest of us, this is more in a long line of public information that we'll never read - more (potentially interesting but lost among the rest) documents are published by the military, various departments, etc, than we could shake a stick at,

      Think tanks, research groups, journalists, students, historians and a whole passle of other professions will find this stuff invaluable.

      They have always provided a filter between raw material and the general public. I guarantee that these reports will immediately start getting cited in journals and newspaper articles. Best of all, we can read the primary source without having to pay the RAND Corporation or some other think tank $XYZ to get our hands on the document.

      Most of the RAND studies commissioned by the government which are not classified are available free from their wesbite. Just search around or browse to the topic area that interests you.

    3. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by bigmacd24 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      From TFA "Open government lawmakers such as Senators John McCain (R-Arizona) and Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vermont) have fought for years to make the reports public, with bills being introduced--and rejected--almost every year since 1998." So the better question to ask would by why the bills were rejected, but that would require more research into the situation. Government is never /that/ simple. As a side note, I love reading about pre 2008 McCain, he seems like such a reasonable dude.

    4. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by Improv · · Score: 1

      Certainly true. Occasionally I see references in journals to things like this - the more sources we can get like that, the better.

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    5. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by mpe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For the .01% of the people who would actually read stuff like this, this is fantastic. It's important that the public has access to this, and a shame that no suitable politician has decided to request all the reports and publish the whole lot (is there any reason this is not the case? Contact your representatives!).

      The original article states that politicians are only motivated to release information that potentially helps them politically. There is very likely to be information which would be politically dangerous. e.g. information lobby groups do not want know. Anyway what's to say it wasn't a politician who gave the information to Wikileaks?

    6. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by rpillala · · Score: 1

      This sounds like a job for Dennis Kucinich. Say what you want about the man but it doesn't seem possible to embarrass him.

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    7. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Truly.. and given the secrecy, how is it possible to know if the info is complete or not?

      It may have been a massive, but politically-motivated selective leak.

    8. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by poetmatt · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      With a wife like his, what is there to embarass? The man is a walking shit-eating grin, and does a pretty good job as a political figure.

    9. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the .01% of the people who would actually read stuff like this, this is fantastic. It's important that the public has access to this, and a shame that no suitable politician has decided to request all the reports and publish the whole lot (is there any reason this is not the case? Contact your representatives!).

      I live elsewhere, and have to resign myself to looking into your corner of the world with mild amusement. But even so, I'm pretty sure "suitable politicians" have made moves to do so but it was voted down. Perhaps someone more local can dig up some references.

    10. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by patro · · Score: 1

      For the rest of us, this is more in a long line of public information that we'll never read

      Governments could even hide information this way. They could publish tons of documents about every tiny detail, so it would be very hard to find the really interesting ones in the flood of information.

      Everything would be published somewhere, but no one could find it, so effectively it would be a secret.

    11. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is very likely to be information which would be politically dangerous. e.g. information lobby groups do not want know.

      Actually, I've just read through 7 reports on issues that range from the very controversial to the very mundane, and I've yet come across info that could described as "politically dangerous". Most reports rely on--get this--mainstream media (yikes!) and past laws and judicial rulings as source material and basically are just background briefs around the issues in question. What I've noticed, though, is if there seems be a particular "bias" (for lack of a better word) that Congress has towards an issue like say, extending the copyright duration, the CRS report basically reflects that bias. Of course, there are over 6000 reports, so it'll be interesting to see if other people can find some juicy stuff in them.

    12. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flood

      No, information processing power has caught up. Anything really scary in there can be found in a month because it's just text. Make a special copy for parsing and then do a distributed project.

    13. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by patro · · Score: 1

      No, information processing power has caught up. Anything really scary in there can be found in a month because it's just text.

      Well, they could use non-obvious phrases and words in the text, they could use several different phrases for the same concept, etc. so that one couldn't simply search for a word or something.

    14. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by David+Gerard · · Score: 1

      I'd regard 2008 as an inexplicable blip in an otherwise excellent career.

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    15. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by Improv · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's also the issue that nobody agrees on what's interesting or bad. Because Americans don't talk much about politics in public, we have these little isolated communities that believe that "if only everyone else knew what I knew they'd come over to my side" ranging the spectrum from libertarians to socialists (and also including smaller-issue matters). To some people, the notion of banks using a fractional reserve is part of a huge conspiracy, and to most people reading a fairly standard academic world affairs journal would blow open their perspective on how the world works (if they could manage to sink their teeth into it and understand the implications).

      As a people, we very well may be held away from knowledge by conspiracies we can't see, but we're certainly held away from knowledge by not reading things that are perfectly available to us, published in the clear (Middle East Journal and Far Eastern Affairs are examples of good current events journals that would be great for people to read and discuss if they want to understand the world).

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    16. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. That's why he said "a month", not a day...

    17. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by QuasiEvil · · Score: 1

      Look folks, McCain is a *politician*. There are some of them out there who genuinely have a philosophy and an agenda against which all of their decisions are measured, but they're rare. Within some bounds, they flex from side to side based on which way they think will get them elected. McCain went right, thinking that he'd attract more of the R nutjob base than if he'd move to the center.

      Obama did the right thing, and came center from the left. That was enough to satisfy conservatives like myself who cannot stand GWB or what the party has become.

      That said, I too liked the pre-2008 McCain. My kind of conservative - a guy generally interested in a small, pragmatic government unbeholden to religious zealots and other nutjobs. To bad he didn't tell the nuts to take a hike and continue being himself.

    18. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by rpillala · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing; however newsrooms are continually shrinking these days. Maybe it will take longer for this to affect coverage of national matters. But already at the state level, regional newspapers are disappearing and the bigger organizations like NYT are abandoning their news desks in places that used to get coverage. With no scrutiny, these local politicians can run amok.

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    19. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by David+Gerard · · Score: 2, Funny

      Indeed. Hopefully he can get back to being the necessary dose of principled asshole.

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    20. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For the .01% of the people who would actually read stuff like this, this is fantastic

      that is true.

      For the rest of us, this is more in a long line of public information that we'll never read - more (potentially interesting but lost among the rest) documents are published by the military, various departments, etc, than we could shake a stick at, and it'd already be a fulltime job to even try to read everything in a field.

      Let me help you: For the rest of us, it's a good thing that those .01% will look at those documents, and come and let us know when they find a smoking gun.

      You've heard of the "many eyes" theory, right? You don't have to personally read them to benefit from their release.

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    21. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by Improv · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even from the perspective of a socialist who wants a large government that does a lot of things, McCain is admirable for trimming things that were actually wasteful. I don't particularly like the McCain that I saw in the election (Palin terrified me, and the xenophobic crowds he was forced to play to worry me), and still think Obama's a bit better on issues I care about, but I think McCain would've made a good president and hope he stays in politics (even as he's a bit old to run for the presidency again). I hope the future of the Republican party looks a lot more like John McCain and less like Rumsfeld, Ron Paul, or Sarah Palin (even as they represent different factions of the party).

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    22. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up. I subscribe to their newsletters, and their studies are often very educational.

      In particular, their recent stream of studies on Iran have taught me a lot - specifically, that MSM coverage is clueless, Iran's economic problems (even with high oil prices) are crippling, and that the Bush administration's past diplomacy with regard to Iran has ranged from catastrophic to utter imbecility.

    23. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, posting information such as military capabilities, equipment, and other OPSEC is both useful to your public knowledge of funding - but even greater tool for the enemy we fight. There's reasons why some of this needs to be classified, as people's lives are on the line.

      But, enjoy your info!

      Signed,

      Unhappy Soldier

    24. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree that it's appropriate to keep certain military information secret, but that isn't this. None of this information is classified. It simply previously had a very limited distribution.

    25. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if I never browse all the articles one by one, now my friend Prof. Google may recommend ones that are relevant to my research...

    26. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by Yewbert · · Score: 1

      As a socially leftist libertarian, McCain had long been one of the few Republicans I thought I could have stomached voting for, precisely for some of those reasons you mention, because he hadn't, for a long time, sucked up to the religious fringe elements. He'd even made some pointed comments about, was it Bob Jones University, or Falwell?, being a divisive force, and I really admired him for saying some of those politically inexpedient things. The specific instant in time when I knew he had decided to run for the presidency, though, was also the instant he lost a big chunk of that respect - when he folded and went sucking up to - again, was it Bob Jones U, or Falwell, or one of the other of that ilk? - making nice after his prior direct, valid criticisms.

    27. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by nasor · · Score: 1

      I doubt that many people will go and "brows around" in all that data, but there will probably be specialists in certain fields who will take a look to see if there's anything relevant to them. Someone whose was, say, and education researcher, might search through it to see if there are any studies related to education effectiveness vs. funding/number of students/teacher salary/whatever, even if they aren't going to care about the rest of it.

    28. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      > As a people, we very well may be held away from knowledge by conspiracies we can't see, but we're certainly held away from knowledge by not reading things that are perfectly available to us, published in the clear (Middle East Journal and Far Eastern Affairs are examples of good current events journals that would be great for people to read and discuss if they want to understand the world).

      Do you have any links to things that are freely available that you recommend for people to read? I'd Google the journals, but I'm probably not going to pay to read some article I know nothing about sight unseen and I have to assume those are like most journals which require paid access...

    29. Re:For the .01% of the people who would read it... by Improv · · Score: 1

      Actually, those two journals are print journals I normally pick up in a bookstore. As for online sources, I'm not aware of any academic journals that are freely available online (unfortunately). For free online stuff, reading a nice variety of newspaper-like sites is probably as good as one can get. A few worth reading:

      Science:

      Eurekalert, Scientific Blogging, National Academies

      Politics/Current events:

      Moscow Times, Al Jazeera, PressTV, YNet, UN News Service, People's Daily

      All this plus heavy use of Google News with custom sections, of course.

      None of this is as good as the journals, but it's more current.

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  6. U.S. government: Corruption everywhere. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    One kind of corruption is killing people and destroying their property for profit.

    More than 1,000,000 people have been killed in Iraq at a final cost of at least $3,000,000,000,000.

    That means the U.S. taxpayer is paying $3 million to kill each Iraqi. Iraqis are mostly poor and defenseless. Obviously, the money is going into the pockets of weapons and oil investors.

    The U.S. government has done far more damage to Iraq and killed far more people than Saddam Hussein. What is worse is that the U.S. government did it for money; Saddam Hussein wanted political control.

    1. Re:U.S. government: Corruption everywhere. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      And they still say that Hitler caused an holocaust ?. Welcome to the new holocaust!. I hope they get as bad press as he and the Germans got. But those were arabs, what ? they do not count ? They are people, too, they count.

    2. Re:U.S. government: Corruption everywhere. by darth+dickinson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      More than 1,000,000 people have been killed in Iraq at a final cost of at least $3,000,000,000,000.

      Really? Cause last I heard, they pretty much just made that shit up.

    3. Re:U.S. government: Corruption everywhere. by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      Yes really, your own link provides no clear evidence either way. Sounds about right to me.

    4. Re:U.S. government: Corruption everywhere. by darth+dickinson · · Score: 1

      I'd say that the fact that the methodology is closed, and the data is not peer-reviewed, pretty much screams "made up" to me. I put it on par with the "Windows TCO is lower than Linux TCO" study.

    5. Re:U.S. government: Corruption everywhere. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That means the U.S. taxpayer is paying $3 million to kill each Iraqi. Iraqis are mostly poor and defenseless. Obviously, the money is going into the pockets of weapons and oil investors.

      Even if your numbers are wrong and your point is toothless as a result, I find it very disturbing that you assume and expect people to accept that the entire point of the war and the limit of our involvement is to kill Iraqis.

      Tip: you don't win a war by having the most points from killing people.

  7. CRS? by binarylarry · · Score: 0, Troll

    Can't Remember Shit?

    Sounds like Congress!

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    1. Re:CRS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nicholas Van Orton might be able to tell you...

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119174/faq#.2.1.8

    2. Re:CRS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Score:5, Troll)

  8. If it embarrasses politicians, it should be leaked by cabalamat3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If research embarrasses some politicians, it should be leaked, because it suggests that reality is not in accordance with those politicians' beliefs, and that therefore those politicians may make wrong decisions.

    If research embarrasses all the politicians in Congress, it's even more important that it be leaked.

  9. McCain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Open government lawmakers such as Senators John McCain (R-Arizona) and Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vermont) have fought for years to make the reports public, with bills being introduced--and rejected--almost every year since 1998.

    Oops... maybe I should have voted for McCain.

    1. Re:McCain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe I should have voted for McCain.

      If he was president, he wouldn't be able to vote for the legislation anymore.

    2. Re:McCain by Adult+film+producer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ya.. maybe you should have voted for McCain.. the same guy that said on during his nomination acceptance speech that he would vote against any bill that was filled with pork. A few weeks later he voted FOR the EESA/TARP after it was ladled up with $150 billion in pork specifically to get it through The Senate! Ya, he's a real stand up guy.

    3. Re:McCain by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      Nothing would have stopped them from requesting every single one of these and releasing them all to the public. Actions speak louder than bills.

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    4. Re:McCain by afabbro · · Score: 1

      Ya.. maybe you should have voted for McCain.. the same guy that said on during his nomination acceptance speech that he would vote against any bill that was filled with pork.

      No he didn't. Presidents don't vote.

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    5. Re:McCain by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1

      Senate nomination?

  10. Not so secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    These are not nearly as 'secret' as the article implies. I used to download and file these in the school law library. Specifically we were collecting intellectual property-related articles, but I had access to hundreds and hundreds of these.

    Just because the public isn't widely aware of something doesn't mean its a secret.

    1. Re:Not so secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      They used to be easier to get. A few years ago, like much else, changes were made in policy to be more restrictive.

      However, the Federation of American Scientists have been collecting them and posting them on their website since the change in rules, so this isn't the first time they've been publicly "released." It's true that the only people who will actually read them are people sufficiently interested in the topic at hand to seek them out, but there's no reason for them to be hidden.

  11. Say goodbye to "Wikileaks" by Ottair · · Score: 0

    They done f*ked with the wrong people now. You thought waterboarding was bad, wait until Pelosi and Reid get a holt of these badboys.

    1. Re:Say goodbye to "Wikileaks" by canajin56 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Pelosi will Rickroll them into submission?

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  12. Why not under FOIA? by eh2o · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why wouldn't these reports be available under FOIA? Considering that its "nominally public domain" already, what exemption would it fall under to bar a request?

    1. Re:Why not under FOIA? by genner · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why wouldn't these reports be available under FOIA? Considering that its "nominally public domain" already, what exemption would it fall under to bar a request?

      You have to know they exist before you can file a FOIA request.

    2. Re:Why not under FOIA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The more that is Classified the easier it becomes to refuse access to any information that may be problematic for the government. So if you want to create an environment where it's easy for the government to control the flow of information, you mark as much secret as possible and deny even the most trivial of FOI requests. /Welcome to the Bush years...

    3. Re:Why not under FOIA? by YourExperiment · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why wouldn't these reports be available under FOIA?

      FTFA:

      "The CRS, as a branch of Congress, is exempt from the Freedom of Information Act."

    4. Re:Why not under FOIA? by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      The 'oh shi-! this is gonna fuck my career' exception of course.

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    5. Re:Why not under FOIA? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      You have to know they exist before you can file a FOIA request.

      They could FOIA request the list of CRS reports.

      Surely the CRS keeps some sort of index, list, database, or catalog of the reports, in order to be able to find a report that a congressman asks for.

      So FOIA the catalog, then read the catalog, and FOIA request reports in the list.

      I suspect the real issue is the CRS may deem itself not subject to FOIA requests, because of its legislated special privileges as an investigative entity, because the reports are purposed for legislators, and already made openly available as publications (accessible to the public legislators), and release of info might compromise ongoing investigation.

    6. Re:Why not under FOIA? by Kifoth · · Score: 1

      RTFA.

      "The CRS, as a branch of Congress, is exempt from the Freedom of Information Act."

    7. Re:Why not under FOIA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congress has always routinely exempted themselves from the laws that they impose on the rest of us (balance of power thing-Congress wouldn't want the executive branch prosecuting Congress for violations of law).

      Congress was and might still be exempt from all laws regarding sexual harassment, equal opportunity in employment, nepotism, etc. This is the way Congress has always operated.

    8. Re:Why not under FOIA? by msuarezalvarez · · Score: 1

      What is the purpose of writing "shi-"?

    9. Re:Why not under FOIA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      What is the purpose of writing "shi-"?

      Saves bandwidth. You know, one horizontal line for a dash instead of a horizontal line and a vertical line for a t.

    10. Re:Why not under FOIA? by tripmine · · Score: 1

      Because after Blagojevich, politicians are watching what they say just in case it's being recorded.

    11. Re:Why not under FOIA? by dave562 · · Score: 1

      One might think so, but as Blagojevich proves, knowing that they are being recorded does not stop them. Blagojevich's predecessor was brought down by a Federal investigation, and it didn't stop Blagojevich from dome very similar things to what got his predecessor busted.

  13. Even though these are not super secret... by solweil · · Score: 1

    from http://www.opencrs.com/ "American taxpayers spend over $100 million a year to fund the Congressional Research Service, a "think tank" that provides reports to members of Congress on a variety of topics relevant to current political events. Yet, these reports are not made available to the public in a way that they can be easily obtained."

  14. Would Wikileaks publish a document about itself? by patro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Suppose someone sends a list to Wikileaks containing all the names of Wikileaks admins and the people behind it.

    Would they publish it, so they can stay true to their values, even if this information could effectively mean the end of Wikileaks?

  15. Everything is so much clearer by spicate · · Score: 1

    With helpful reports like this one available, it's no wonder that our Congress is the most responsive and insightful bunch of legislators in the world.

    1. Re:Everything is so much clearer by Awod · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Congress is concerned with the health of the U.S. economy, which affects the living standards of all Americans. The 2001 recession was unusually mild and brief by historical standards. At 120 months, the expansion that preceded it had been the longest in U.S. history. Is this a coincidence? A body of research concludes that it is not. Since 1984,"

      *sigh*

      Of course, always blame it on 1984..

    2. Re:Everything is so much clearer by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      That illustrates why these reports may have not been released previously. They are not necessarily the creme-de-la-creme of Congressional research output.

  16. Anyone have a torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This seems like the perfect thing to download and have my search app index. Then whenever I wanted to read about what my Congressman 'knows' about things like FOSS or the IRA, I could find it very quickly. I'm also not sure why FOSS and the IRA are the first two things to come to by mind.

    1. Re:Anyone have a torrent? by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1
  17. I'd go further by MoellerPlesset2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Having looked through some as well, I'd take it a step further.

    I don't think there's anything secret in there at ALL.
    It's just simple, journalistic-style research and analysis, with information entirely from public sources.

    I don't think you're going to find any buried scandals here. At all. You'd probably get more from reading a
    good selection of newspapers. Journalists tend to have inside sources, after all.

    The worst I could imagine from what I've seen is stuff like "Congressman so-and-so said he didn't know about X..
    but he should have if he'd read Congress' own report on it!"

    1. Re:I'd go further by laird · · Score: 1

      The reports are (at least the ones I've read) clear, thorough and unbiased answers to some pretty good questions, which makes them valuable because they provide good, objective reports that should be the basis of decision making.

      So while these reports don't reveal any secret information, they reveal the thought processes of Congress. That is, every one of these reports was written because some Congressman wanted the answer. So reading these reports tells you what they thought was important, and what they were told about it.

      For example, the existence of ""Phantom Traffic" - Problems Billing for the Termination of Telephone Calls" tells you that some Congressman wanted to do something to help rural telco's, and wanted some data to make the case. And "COLAs for Military Retirees: Summary of Congressional and Executive Branch Action, 1982-2004" tells you that some Congressman is concerned that veterans' cost of loving adjustments are falling short.

  18. So, what's so interesting? by ugen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So now that these reports are "released", how many of you, slashdot readers that post in this thread, actually read at least 1 of them in its entirety? How many read 2? 5? Hands, anyone?

    I did go to the site. I read 3 reports on a topic that interests me. What I found was a dry, relatively correct, summary of public and well known information. These reports are created so that each congressman (or whoever else may need them) does not have to read every single newspaper, web site or send his staff on a search of basic statistics. The information is not obtained in ways that are inaccessible to you and me, and reports do not seem to provide any particular insight not already available to those who follow the topic (for example I found nothing of interest in these reports, everything was well known to me, because I follow this topic on my own).

    There are hundreds of thousands of reports like these prepared in each large (or small) organization on variety of themes. They are not specifically released because, frankly, it is pointless to do so. While some sort of a website with these reports would be a symbol of opennes, it would likely have very little practical applicability. The only people who need these reports are those who need information on topics that they don't personally care very much about (so they don't want to do their own research) but do need for whatever reason to know what's going on. That means:
    1) politicians
    2) students, in particular during midterms and finals :) :)

    1st group has access anyway and 2nd could benefit from doing a bit of research on their own.

    Feel free to rate this flamebait.

    1. Re:So, what's so interesting? by midicase · · Score: 1

      "These reports are created so that each congressman (or whoever else may need them) does not have to read every single newspaper, web site or send his staff on a search of basic statistics."

      Just as well. I spooks me to this day when Tom, Katie and other anchors as stunned to learn that [some] politicians do not get their information from news outlets. They have their heads buried so deep that they can't fathom the possibility of bias such as Dan and the Bush memos:
      http://articles.latimes.com/2004/sep/21/nation/na-cbs21

      When a politician needs information I am glad they have a source outside of the media (though it does not means it is any less biased).

    2. Re:So, what's so interesting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Now that you skimmed some reports, you can judge that they were harmless, and claim it's "pointless" to release them. Hindsight is 20/20, right?

      I skimmed some too, and found them similarly dry, but had exactly the opposite reaction. I am upset that they have not been released earlier. $1,000,000,000 of taxpayers' money went to producing these reports. We paid for them and if they are not a matter of national security (in which case they should be classified), then we should have access to them.

      If democracy is going to work, voters need as much information as possible when deciding whether or not to replace their leaders come election time. Therefore, open access to harmless material should be the rule, not the exception. Closed access should be used only when absolutely necessary. Anything else makes it too easy for bad leaders (incompetent or otherwise) to cover their tracks and maintain power undeservedly.

    3. Re:So, what's so interesting? by QuasiEvil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Already have read one in its entirety while I was eating lunch, and will probably go digging around for more of interest this evening.

      While I agree with the supposition that the general populous is too stupid and/or lazy to bother educating themselves, and the release will not do them any good anyway, I'd argue on the side of, "Why not make the information available anyway?" It's a pretty good way for someone to bring themselves up to speed on some of the nuances of issues without doing a lot of research. Not like the government doesn't have plenty of bandwidth and a few servers...

    4. Re:So, what's so interesting? by Eil · · Score: 2, Funny

      So now that these reports are "released", how many of you, slashdot readers that post in this thread, actually read at least 1 of them in its entirety? How many read 2? 5? Hands, anyone?

      Um, this is Slashdot. To RTFA is practically a sin, imagine how verboten it would be to read research reports?

      (Actually, I'm off to see if I can find anything interesting right now. I just wanted to read the comments first.)

    5. Re:So, what's so interesting? by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is not "pointless" to release such reports -- they show the results specifically of an organization's investigation into a topic. Not just a source of info about the topic but also a source of info about what the organization considered and concluded on that topic. Very important for an organization that is supposed to be accountable to the people, such as Congress. These CRS reports used to be (and should be again) released by the GPO in hardcopy. CRS lobbied against bills that would have required them to be published over the internet.

    6. Re:So, what's so interesting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hard copy? What's that going to do? That's funny.

    7. Re:So, what's so interesting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $1,000,000,000 taxpayer dollars have gone to paying for the notepads that presidents have used to doodle drawings while sitting in on boring meetings, we hereby demand the release of these documents which we paid for!!!

    8. Re:So, what's so interesting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Political issues aside, don't you think this is a treasure trove of useful information?

      In a way it's a good complement to wikipedia. Most of us rarely have the time to go research every subject that interests us. These commissioned reports, just as with wikipedia, fill a role for folks that want to read up on a subject and get a feel for it quickly.

    9. Re:So, what's so interesting? by kabocox · · Score: 1

      It is not "pointless" to release such reports -- they show the results specifically of an organization's investigation into a topic. Not just a source of info about the topic but also a source of info about what the organization considered and concluded on that topic. Very important for an organization that is supposed to be accountable to the people, such as Congress. These CRS reports used to be (and should be again) released by the GPO in hardcopy. CRS lobbied against bills that would have required them to be published over the internet.

      Hmm. It'd be nice if congress would make all CRS reports public unless told not to. Even better is to note the title of private reports and which congress folks sealed it.

      This would soon become more useful than the https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/. Heck it might even become more useful than wikipedia.

      The way I view the concept of the CRS. When we want to know more on a topic, we go to wikipedia to find the outline and basically agreed stuff on subject. Congress gets to commission specialists out there to actually research stuff to make the reports. I'd hope that it would be of a higher quality than wikipedia. The best possible use for this is 99% of the time we'd completely ignore it until we hit google on x topic and instead of wikipedia being the first return that www.crs.gov/report/ would be it. That's when we'd actually bother to read one. We'd get the 5-10 minute report that a congress person would on that given subject. I'd think that it would help our average education level to actually release this stuff.

  19. Strategy and Economic advantage by Tim12s · · Score: 0

    While interesting, I do think that this should be kept private.

    There are a few good reasons to make this public

    1. Historians, universities and students will have access to quality material for analysis and correlation.

    2. The public will be able to scrutinize and correct incorrect reports ensuring that congress have the correct information.

    But consider that you give away your thought processes and the foundations of your strategies to those opponents that should not be privy to your thoughts.

    1. Re:Strategy and Economic advantage by DragonTHC · · Score: 0

      agreed comrade!

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    2. Re:Strategy and Economic advantage by NormalVisual · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But consider that you give away your thought processes and the foundations of your strategies to those opponents that should not be privy to your thoughts.

      Occupational hazard of a free society. I'll deal with it.

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  20. Re:I don't care what anyone says by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

    You seem to mean that you love free speech, open access to information, etc. Unfortunately the internet USED to be those things, but now it's as much the opposite as it is that. Too many kids are growing up thinking the internet is whatever comes back in an search on MSN, or whatever their XBox tells them they can get "online" when they pay for it with XBox Live Credits.

  21. Let's start with these by sTeF · · Score: 5, Informative
    Computer Software and Open Source Issues: A Primer, December 17, 2003

    The use of open source software by the federal government has been gaining attention as organizations continue to search for opportunities to enhance their information technology operations while containing costs. For the federal government and Congress, the debate over the use of open source software intersects several other issues, including, but not limited to, the development of homeland security and e-government initiatives, improving government information technology management practices, strengthening computer security, and protecting intellectual property rights. Currently, the debate over open source software often revolves primarily around information security and intellectual property rights. However, issues related to cost and quality are often raised as well.

    Intellectual Property, Computer Software and the Open Source Movement, March 11, 2004

    This report considers the impact of intellectual property rights upon open source software. It provides an introduction to the open source movement in the software industry. It reviews the intellectual property laws, including copyrights, patents, and trade secrets. After identifying issues of interface between open source software and the intellectual property laws, the report concludes with a discussion of possible legislative issues and approaches.

    Telecommunications Japans Telecommunications Deregulation: NTTs Access Fees and Worldwide Expansion, August 9, 2000

    The United States and Japan are negotiating over Japan's costly rates for telecommunications companies to hook into the telephone network owned by the Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Company (NTT), Japan's dominant provider of telecom services. The U.S. has argued for a 41 percent cut in the rates, while Japan has insisted on a 22 percent cut. NTT also is attempting to acquire Verio, an Internet service provider in the United States.

    Telecommunications Act: Competition, Innovation, and Reform, June 7, 2007

    Both houses of Congress have begun debating how to modify the 1996 Act, most of which resides within the Communications Act of 1934, as amended. That debate focuses on how to foster investment, innovation and competition in both the physical broadband network and in the applications that ride over that network while also meeting the many non-economic objectives of U.S. telecommunications policy: universal service, homeland security, public safety, diversity of voices, localism, consumer protection, etc.

    Patent-related The Obviousness Standard in Patent Law: KSR International Co. v. Teleflex Inc., May 31, 2007

    The Patent Act provides protection for processes, machines, manufactures, and compositions of matter that are useful, novel, and nonobvious. Of these three statutory requirements, the nonobviousness of an invention is often the most difficult to establish. To help courts and patent examiners make the determination, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit developed a test called "teaching, suggestion, or motivation" (TSM). This test provided that a patent claim is only proved obvious if

    1. Re:Let's start with these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely fascinating.

      And not too shabby. CRS seems to do okay research in the arena. FSF and EFF views seem to be pretty well represented, and they rightly ignored faux research from Microsoft proxies.

      Pleasantly surprised.

    2. Re:Let's start with these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CRS: Drug Offenses: Maximum Fines and Terms of Imprisonment

      This report is a chart of the maximum fines and terms of imprisonment that may be imposed as a consequence of conviction for violation of the federal Controlled Substances Act and related laws.

      CRS: Governmental Drug Testing Programs: Legal and Constitutional Developments

      This report examines the current state of constitutional law on the subject of governmentally mandated drug testing in employment and of students in the public schools, which is followed by a brief review of federal drug-free workplace programs presently in effect.

      CRS: Inequality in the Distribution of Income: Trends and International Comparisons

      There are a number of legislative issues for which the shape of the income distribution may be an important consideration. Among them are tax rates and the minimum wage. This report examines the distribution of income in the United States, including factors that may help explain it, how it has changed over time, and how it compares with those of other countries.

    3. Re:Let's start with these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be interesting to check the raw numbers on each subject - Rights, Jobs for Americans, IP/Trips and world peace and lowering costs for employers.

      I think now, REAL jobs and American Jobs will be back on the discussion board.

      Quite funny this was China's #1 priority all along, yet now it is trendy again.

  22. Re:Would Wikileaks publish a document about itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think publishing such a list would constitute staying true to their values.

  23. Re:Would Wikileaks publish a document about itself by toxygen01 · · Score: 1

    How that would mean end of wikileaks?

  24. How many of these are new? by RockMFR · · Score: 1

    I've been googling titles of random reports and have yet to find anything that wasn't already available to the public. Has anyone found one that is new?

    1. Re:How many of these are new? by RockMFR · · Score: 1

      Let me correct myself. A lot of these are available for free. It seems the rest are available for purchase from Penny Hill Press. From my calculations, it would only cost $50,000 for someone to buy all of these. Is that what is going on here?

    2. Re:How many of these are new? by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'll tell you what's going on: government documents which are intrinsically public domain are being held behind artificially constructed "pay" walls erected by private companies. It's not an uncommon practice, not only in federal government but all the way down to local city and county governments, and in the past it actually made small amounts of sense. In the pre-internet days distributing documents cost non-trivial amounts of money because physical copies had to be made. Now that the Internet has driven those costs to nearly zero, there is no longer any excuse for these private companies to be acting as the gatekeepers for information about our own government. We should work to tear down these old arrangements and allow people to access government information for free, straight from the source. That's what's going on here.

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  25. Re:Would Wikileaks publish a document about itself by patro · · Score: 1

    AFAIK the people behind Wikileaks are anonymous, otherwise the governments and bigwigs whose secrets they publish could retaliate.

    So if their identities are revealed then they can be persecuted and they couldn't maintain Wikileaks.

  26. old adage by lordcorusa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The end result is the old adage I first heard applied to the Chicago political machine of the 1960s: A government does not have to be good, and rarely is. It only has to be good enough that the populace will tolerate it.

    An older version of the same adage:

    Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

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    1. Re:old adage by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      Holy carp! Our Founding Fathers were talking about OO design and refactoring even then - they really were omniscient!

  27. Maybe What's Shocking is the Cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As many are pointing out, there doesn't seem to be anything especially new in these reports. But nearly a billion dollars for almost 7,000 reports? That's almost $150k per report. I sure hope the CRS does more than just this...

  28. Cost to kill each Iraqi is MORE than $3 million? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, so you are saying that the cost to kill each Iraqi is MORE than $3 million?

  29. OT:Would Wikileaks publish a document about itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a great point/question, but what does this have to do with GP's post asking "Where do I send my donations"?

  30. not really anonymous by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Informative

    Their Advisory Board is hardly anonymous, and of course they have a bunch of Contact information that would lead you to owners of domains. I don't know how anonymous Wikileaks is overall; it looks more distributed to me.

    1. Re:not really anonymous by cinderblock · · Score: 1

      It is anonymous. The point of wikileaks is to keep the whistle blower's identity private.

    2. Re:not really anonymous by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      The whistleblower isn't Wikileaks. The whistleblower may be anonymous but Wikileaks is not.

    3. Re:not really anonymous by cinderblock · · Score: 1

      Well yes. That's my point.

      The people behind Wikileaks aren't anonymous, don't need to be, and have chosen not to be. They are trying to provide a way for whistleblowers to be anonymous, which is what would keep someone from coming forward with whatever leak.

      So yes, it IS really anonymous for those that want/need to be.

  31. Re:Would Wikileaks publish a document about itself by toxygen01 · · Score: 1

    People behind wikileaks certainly are not anonymous. http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Advisory_Board

  32. not secret at all by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    This isn't secret information at all; these are reports that are constantly published by the US Government. I think they used to be put in public libraries; I remember researching CRS reports at university libraries in the 80s. Putting them online is something the government should be doing, not Wikileaks, but either way, nobody is going to get in trouble for this, and nobody is going to find any state secrets here.

  33. Re:Would Wikileaks publish a document about itself by David+Gerard · · Score: 0, Redundant
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  34. Alphabetic list... by barfy · · Score: 1

    Since the list of names all start with CRS, the alphabetic list is thousands of reports all in the letter "C".

    HA.

  35. CRS reports, eh? by certain+death · · Score: 1

    CRS= Can't Remember Shit. Aptly named in my opinion! Now where did I put that report...

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  36. Re:Cost to kill each Iraqi is MORE than $3 million by seriesrover · · Score: 1

    And why do you see it in terms of dollar / Iraqi life ? Do you think the US government is somehow saving up to kill people in Iraq ? If you want to start that game we could easily say that chances of being killed by Hussein infinitely reduced down to zero. Like yours, its a ludicrous factoid that completely obscures whats going on.

  37. not really leaked? by cypherwise · · Score: 1

    Ok, so these reports are available for purchase here. We should not have to purchase them, obviously. Also, it looks the the US-Italian embassy is leaking the crap out of them. z0mg!

  38. available for cost from penny hill by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's more, these documents were apparently already available for a fee from this company. All they're doing is (rightly, imho) making them available for free rather than forcing people to pay a publishing company for access to records that we supposedly already own.

    1. Re:available for cost from penny hill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $399/mo subscriber rate, "same-day delivery" of all released reports ($479 foreign service), $7.95 for addt'l reports, via http://pennyhill.com/subscribe.php

      good lord that is expensive. it's really just a chopped down high quality google news. i'd love to subscribe but not at those rates, penny hill indeed!

      let's see the CRS release these publicly in real time. why do our delegates not want us to know what they know? it's all very silly, we know anyway, just let us touch the pulse too.

    2. Re:available for cost from penny hill by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      That's a hill of pennies, alright.
      But 127,000 pages at nearly $1,000,000,000 = nearly $7,000 per page. Wow.

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    3. Re:available for cost from penny hill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's actually already up here congressionalresearch.com

  39. What difference does audience size make to access? by jbn-o · · Score: 1

    Are you suggesting that the need to publish this material for wide dissemination is somehow related to the number of people who would read it; if few people are perceived to read the material there is much reduced need to publish the material?

    It seems to me that this conflates how many would read this material with who deserves access to this material. These factors strike me as two independent issues. Much like software freedom (the freedom to run, inspect, share, and modify a computer program) being debated in terms of whether most computer users would actually do these things. Users deserve software freedom without regard to how many take advantage of those freedoms.

  40. Probably because Kucinich is so often correct. by jbn-o · · Score: 1

    Maybe it's not possible to embarrass him because he's doing so well on all the major issues of the day: opposing Iraq invasion, opposing continued Iraq occupation, instantiating impeachment, supporting universal single-payer health care, citing Arms Export and Control Act in voting against House Measure which supported Israeli offensive, being the only repeat Democratic Party peace candidate, and speaking firmly based on ethical and legal grounds the whole way through. These are unarguably international issues of substance (as life and death issues so often are) and he's on the correct side of all of them. I ask you for "substantive issues" because I know /. likes to divert attention away from the important take on issues and dwell endlessly in minor or technical quibbles. I've seen him talk and winced a few times, but never on anything that mattered.

    1. Re:Probably because Kucinich is so often correct. by rpillala · · Score: 1

      I don't think I phrased myself very well. I wanted to say that he doesn't do anything that gives the lie to his public statements. That is, he doesn't say one thing and do something else as so many politicians do. He also doesn't say one thing and then later come back hemming and hawing about how a position he now holds is completely opposite what he's said in the past but it's OK because blah blah blah. It certainly helps that I agree with him on nearly everything, down to being vegan. I contributed to his re-election campaign and I live in Maryland :)

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  41. Too bad they did not make them easily downloadable by mxs · · Score: 1

    I'd like to get the fulltext and meta pages of all of these repords in pdf and txt form so I can store them locally and work on them locally (the site is often overloaded at the moment, and advanced full text search is not available). I searched for a way to do that easily. No dice. The only way, it appears, would be to hammer the server with wget and recursively download everything on there. Bad form.

  42. Re:Would Wikileaks publish a document about itself by Threni · · Score: 1

    How would not publishing it be a case of not being true to their values?

  43. This will end well. by Dr.+Cody · · Score: 1

    Like Joe the plumber?

    1. Re:This will end well. by Ashriel · · Score: 1

      "The internet is like a series of pipes..."

      Seriously though, I think Joe the plumber could do at least as well as some of the current congressmen - it's not like they have a clue about what they're voting on as it is now.

      Maybe if they read their own bills now and again.

  44. 1 billion dollars... by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    Does that refer to the bribe normally required to access these documents?

    How much is that in Libraries of Congress?

  45. Re:Too bad they did not make them easily downloada by LingNoi · · Score: 2, Informative

    There's a torrent link of exactly that on wikileaks

  46. Re:What difference does audience size make to acce by Improv · · Score: 1

    In case the tone of my post was not clear, I believe it's very important that things like this be published - we should have as much government transparency as we can (I would far rather have a transparent liberal autocracy than a secretive representative liberal democracy).

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  47. Re:Too bad they did not make them easily downloada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I'd like to get the fulltext and meta pages of all of these repords in pdf and txt form so I can store them locally and work on them locally ...

    http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4713076

    That is all 2 gigs of them

  48. Torrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The reports are ostensibly available in torrent form here. Using this instead of TFA may go some way to mitigating wikileaks' current bandwitdh problems.

  49. The U.S. government is not the only one by Livius · · Score: 1

    Corrupt just like the private sector.

  50. DRm and Fair Use...interesting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    http://wikileaks.org/leak/crs/RL31827.txt

  51. Open CRS by mahadiga · · Score: 1
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  52. Reports or commissioned studies? by cdrguru · · Score: 1

    A lot of these are commissioned studies and reflect the viewpoint of the person or group that is asking for it.

    Based on this, I would expect to find reports in this list that argue positions such as the native inferority of African Americans, the desirability of the extermination of Jews and/or Muslims, etc.

    Would this sort of thing be beneficial to release? The US government has plenty of documents lying around like this and it would do nobody any good. Even the knowledge that someone was paid to think this way or that about a particular topic can be extremely damaging.

  53. STOP making excuses! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It AMAZES me the degree to which Americans hide the corruption of their government from themselves, and make excuses.

    The issue is that those reports cost 100 million taxpayer dollars, and they are only given to special interests that are involved with people in Congress, who use them to get what they want, not what the country needs.

  54. tinyurl: wikileaks-crs-1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://tinyurl.com/wikileaks-crs-1

  55. verification by vajorie · · Score: 1

    how do you verify that these are authentic? just asking.

  56. Canada has its problems too by Nurey · · Score: 1

    The USA isn't the worst offender in the area of Government accountability. Canada has its share of problems and has recently been ranked 8th out of 250 countries by the Global Integrity Report.

    But at least Canadian government has stepped up and is disclosing certain info like contracts. I have started a project to search/visualize all these contracts at http://www.disclosed.ca/

    Why doesn't the US government have a proactive disclosure initiative? Or am I missing something? I know Obama has announced recovery.gov but is that it?

  57. Re:If it embarrasses politicians, it should be lea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If research embarrasses some politicians, it should be leaked, because it suggests that reality is not in accordance with those politicians' beliefs, and that therefore those politicians may make wrong decisions.

    See also "Office of Technological Assessment, Closure of".

  58. Prez don't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's all the same shit. Bush, Obama... Not any difference!