Where, exactly, is the personal responsibility in your version of the events that led up to the housing collapse? Reference my earlier post refuting your view.
Ignorance is absolutely no excuse. People simply didn't read the papers they were signing, and if they did and didn't understand the terms, weren't responsible enough to get independent advice on the matter. There was a time when no sane person would buy a home or make any other large investment without consulting numerous people for assurances; this practice went by the wayside along with many other factors that make up responsible personal financial management.
It's so easy to blame the big, bad bankers... the truth is that people simply didn't have enough personal responsibility to get a grip on what they were agreeing to. The buck stops there.
if only the financial world's fantasy that the housing market can only go up had been true
This much is true, but the underlying factors have a lot more to do with people being idiots in a "gotta have it all" sense, as opposed to possessing the basic intelligence required to understand the risk. In other words, these people might have been idiots, but they weren't stupid. Folks used to be raised with a completely different attitude toward money. I'm only 28, but my parents and grandparents taught me differently.
Anyone who believes any market can "only go up" has it coming, so to speak. At the end of the day, they signed the papers and agreed to the terms. I don't have a lot of sympathy for that plight.
I think you're confused. Capitalism isn't about "playing nice" with anybody. If that hurts your feelings, try to keep the fact that human beings are a part of the competitive biological landscape. We simply compete in more complex ways and on a much larger scale when compared to other species.
Once again, there are certainly many notable cases of corruption at high levels of business and government (in recent times and throughout history). That said, it is not the norm for the vast majority of companies operating in the market. To believe otherwise is only an indication that you've bought into the far-left hype.
The worldwide financial collapse had a lot to do with a large number of idiots deciding to buy homes they knew they couldn't afford, which is pretty much an extension of the widespread practice of running credit cards up to ridiculous levels. Unemployment sure hurts a lot more if you've got $40K in unsecured debt. That's pretty much the definition of "from the bottom up." Personal responsibility is sorely lacking in society these days.
Again, you've failed to prove your point. Exactly how many executives do you think work in America?
Yes, there are executives who don't engage in that sort of behavior, but far more that do (especially at larger firms like ADM).
Please present hard evidence to back that claim up. While some executives are certainly bad apples, they are most assuredly in the minority. I'm not getting the sense that you have much experience in this matter.
Did you even bother to read the available information on the man's history (perhaps starting with the article)? Had you investigated the matter properly and applied a little critical thinking, I sincerely doubt your reply would have been the same.
You are projecting your envy of rich people, whom you consider superior to yourself, onto others.
That would be an interesting point, if it had any validity to it whatsoever. Did you somehow miss the entire point of my post? Envy (or jealousy) of "rich people" is absurd. I earn a healthy salary, and I'm quite comfortable with my station in life.
There isn't anything wrong with that. The man served his time, and he's a productive member of society again. The comments for this story are, unfortunately, going to be spearheaded by individuals who don't have the talents to serve as an effective executive in the first place. Thus, we get to read a hundred different spins on the "but he committed a crime" theme, all fueled by basic jealousy. Interestingly, this is the same crowd that seems to have no problem celebrating Kevin Mitnick's turnaround and subsequent success.
The stuff shouldn't have been sent to a Gmail account, but let's be realistic. Nobody at Google cares about rifling through this sort of stuff. That said, how about holding the bank responsible for sending all that sensitive financial information over an unencrypted connection, to be subsequently stored on unencrypted media? There are laws concerning such practices...
Upstream bound and crypted, loaded up and pingin',
We're gonna send what they say can't be sent,
We've got a lotta bits to move and a short relay window.
I'm bandwidth bound, just watch
Ol' "Pirate" run.
Keep your bits hard on the NIC. Son, never mind them fiters.
Let it all stream out 'cause we got law to break.
Downloaders are thirsty in Atlanta and there's a proxy in Texarcana.
And we'll bring 'em flicks no matter what it takes.
Upstream bound and crypted, loaded up and pingin',
We're gonna send what they say can't be sent,
We've got a lotta bits to move and a short relay window.
I'm cap bound, just watch
Ol' "Pirate" run.
Ol' Admin's got them netstats and he's hot on your trail.
He aint gonna rest 'til you're in jail.
So you got to fake 'im and you got to con 'im,
You got to keep that keyboard tappin'.
Just put that proxy down and give it hell.
Upstream bound and crypted, loaded up and pingin',
We're gonna send what they say can't be sent,
We've got a lotta bits to move and a short relay window.
I'm torrent bound, just watch
Ol' "Pirate" run.
Honestly, it shouldn't be difficult to add this to any existing web application. I think it's a prerequisite for any situation where there is a chance of collisions (as you pointed out), unless the users are technically savvy enough to be presented with a diff of the values and allowed to make a decision based on the available data. In my view, versions should still be maintained as part of a comprehensive logging system (regardless of which approach is taken). This isn't difficult either; it's a simple matter of tracking the version data in a separate write-only table.
Well, bolt on some session handling:). That piece should be separate from primary application logic anyhow, so it shouldn't be too difficult to put in place.
I largely agree, although for an internal application I think JavaScript can be an assumed capability. It's actually not a lot of work; it could probably be implemented in a couple of days with some investigation into jquery and some minor DB changes;).
My company has an internal app that approaches locking in a different manner. When you start updating a record, it uses an AJAX routine to set a lock on the record being updated. As long as you're still on that page, you "have the lock" and other users are notified of this if they attempt to edit the record. Once your changes are submitted, the lock is released automatically. It's possible to "steal" a lock in our model; this may not work for everyone. If you didn't want to allow this, you could incorporate a timeout for locks, whereby the original user would be notified that the lock had expired due to inactivity.
I'm really not complaining too much about Gnome; my wife finds it easy enough to navigate. However, it's still got its problems, and Sugar turned out to be a mess.
To augment your position, I believe the above describes an ability most end users lack in the first place. The quality of the output will probably be akin to the music produced by hooking an amplifier up to a microphone while recording a garbage disposal unit choking on a fork.
Funny, but you forgot about blood transfusions. While it's extremely rare for contaminated blood to be used in the U.S. and many other western nations, it's a very real possibility for a lot of the world.
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The Coral link isn't loading for me, either... I found a scaled down version that gives readers a decent idea of what it looks like, though.
Where, exactly, is the personal responsibility in your version of the events that led up to the housing collapse? Reference my earlier post refuting your view.
Ignorance is absolutely no excuse. People simply didn't read the papers they were signing, and if they did and didn't understand the terms, weren't responsible enough to get independent advice on the matter. There was a time when no sane person would buy a home or make any other large investment without consulting numerous people for assurances; this practice went by the wayside along with many other factors that make up responsible personal financial management.
It's so easy to blame the big, bad bankers... the truth is that people simply didn't have enough personal responsibility to get a grip on what they were agreeing to. The buck stops there.
if only the financial world's fantasy that the housing market can only go up had been true
This much is true, but the underlying factors have a lot more to do with people being idiots in a "gotta have it all" sense, as opposed to possessing the basic intelligence required to understand the risk. In other words, these people might have been idiots, but they weren't stupid. Folks used to be raised with a completely different attitude toward money. I'm only 28, but my parents and grandparents taught me differently.
Anyone who believes any market can "only go up" has it coming, so to speak. At the end of the day, they signed the papers and agreed to the terms. I don't have a lot of sympathy for that plight.
nullified your +5 Insightful moderation
Funny thing about that; it's still there.
Is there a specific reason for your bitterness?
I think you're confused. Capitalism isn't about "playing nice" with anybody. If that hurts your feelings, try to keep the fact that human beings are a part of the competitive biological landscape. We simply compete in more complex ways and on a much larger scale when compared to other species.
Once again, there are certainly many notable cases of corruption at high levels of business and government (in recent times and throughout history). That said, it is not the norm for the vast majority of companies operating in the market. To believe otherwise is only an indication that you've bought into the far-left hype.
Good trolls incorporate an element of subtlety; this isn't anywhere near your best work, man :).
The worldwide financial collapse had a lot to do with a large number of idiots deciding to buy homes they knew they couldn't afford, which is pretty much an extension of the widespread practice of running credit cards up to ridiculous levels. Unemployment sure hurts a lot more if you've got $40K in unsecured debt. That's pretty much the definition of "from the bottom up." Personal responsibility is sorely lacking in society these days.
Again, you've failed to prove your point. Exactly how many executives do you think work in America?
Yes, there are executives who don't engage in that sort of behavior, but far more that do (especially at larger firms like ADM).
Please present hard evidence to back that claim up. While some executives are certainly bad apples, they are most assuredly in the minority. I'm not getting the sense that you have much experience in this matter.
Are you seriously putting forth the argument that Mitnick never broke the law? History seems to disagree.
Did you even bother to read the available information on the man's history (perhaps starting with the article)? Had you investigated the matter properly and applied a little critical thinking, I sincerely doubt your reply would have been the same.
You are projecting your envy of rich people, whom you consider superior to yourself, onto others.
That would be an interesting point, if it had any validity to it whatsoever. Did you somehow miss the entire point of my post? Envy (or jealousy) of "rich people" is absurd. I earn a healthy salary, and I'm quite comfortable with my station in life.
There isn't anything wrong with that. The man served his time, and he's a productive member of society again. The comments for this story are, unfortunately, going to be spearheaded by individuals who don't have the talents to serve as an effective executive in the first place. Thus, we get to read a hundred different spins on the "but he committed a crime" theme, all fueled by basic jealousy. Interestingly, this is the same crowd that seems to have no problem celebrating Kevin Mitnick's turnaround and subsequent success.
The stuff shouldn't have been sent to a Gmail account, but let's be realistic. Nobody at Google cares about rifling through this sort of stuff. That said, how about holding the bank responsible for sending all that sensitive financial information over an unencrypted connection, to be subsequently stored on unencrypted media? There are laws concerning such practices...
Here's a CB intercept from your series of trucks:
Upstream bound and crypted, loaded up and pingin',
We're gonna send what they say can't be sent,
We've got a lotta bits to move and a short relay window.
I'm bandwidth bound, just watch
Ol' "Pirate" run.
Keep your bits hard on the NIC. Son, never mind them fiters.
Let it all stream out 'cause we got law to break.
Downloaders are thirsty in Atlanta and there's a proxy in Texarcana.
And we'll bring 'em flicks no matter what it takes.
Upstream bound and crypted, loaded up and pingin',
We're gonna send what they say can't be sent,
We've got a lotta bits to move and a short relay window.
I'm cap bound, just watch
Ol' "Pirate" run.
Ol' Admin's got them netstats and he's hot on your trail.
He aint gonna rest 'til you're in jail.
So you got to fake 'im and you got to con 'im,
You got to keep that keyboard tappin'.
Just put that proxy down and give it hell.
Upstream bound and crypted, loaded up and pingin',
We're gonna send what they say can't be sent,
We've got a lotta bits to move and a short relay window.
I'm torrent bound, just watch
Ol' "Pirate" run.
And fill the hole up.
With more lawyers? I can see it now...
"It's lawyers, all the way down."
In other words, welcome to Hell.
Honestly, it shouldn't be difficult to add this to any existing web application. I think it's a prerequisite for any situation where there is a chance of collisions (as you pointed out), unless the users are technically savvy enough to be presented with a diff of the values and allowed to make a decision based on the available data. In my view, versions should still be maintained as part of a comprehensive logging system (regardless of which approach is taken). This isn't difficult either; it's a simple matter of tracking the version data in a separate write-only table.
Well, bolt on some session handling :). That piece should be separate from primary application logic anyhow, so it shouldn't be too difficult to put in place.
I largely agree, although for an internal application I think JavaScript can be an assumed capability. It's actually not a lot of work; it could probably be implemented in a couple of days with some investigation into jquery and some minor DB changes ;).
You have no idea how right you are.
Agreed. The GP might be right in theory, but it probably doesn't matter in practice. Some people feel a compulsion to pick nits, I suppose.
My company has an internal app that approaches locking in a different manner. When you start updating a record, it uses an AJAX routine to set a lock on the record being updated. As long as you're still on that page, you "have the lock" and other users are notified of this if they attempt to edit the record. Once your changes are submitted, the lock is released automatically. It's possible to "steal" a lock in our model; this may not work for everyone. If you didn't want to allow this, you could incorporate a timeout for locks, whereby the original user would be notified that the lock had expired due to inactivity.
I'm really not complaining too much about Gnome; my wife finds it easy enough to navigate. However, it's still got its problems, and Sugar turned out to be a mess.
accurately describe the end result
To augment your position, I believe the above describes an ability most end users lack in the first place. The quality of the output will probably be akin to the music produced by hooking an amplifier up to a microphone while recording a garbage disposal unit choking on a fork.
Funny, but you forgot about blood transfusions. While it's extremely rare for contaminated blood to be used in the U.S. and many other western nations, it's a very real possibility for a lot of the world.