There was this one time when I was trying to code, and this gorgeous woman was fawning all over me. She kept taking articles of clothing off and cuddling up to me. I tell you, it was awful! Do you have any idea how hard it is to code with a beautiful naked woman throwing herself at you?
I'm calling a divorce attorney. That must have been my wife, as I don't believe there's actually another woman on the planet who fits that description (with the possible exception of Rob Malda's girl).
Just because you don't understand their accent when they actually have learned more than one language doesn't mean anything
The inability to write documentation and participate in requirements discussions means everything. I don't care how many languages a person "sort of" speaks; if he can't write in fluent English, I don't want to work with him on projects where that's supposed to be a requirement. You don't see me running around trying to work with overseas firms where I don't speak the language.
As I said in reply to another poster, I'm hoping they devote a healthy chunk of that new supercomputing power to developing a universal translator.
US, actually. From what I understand it's worse in the UK. Perhaps all this new supercomputing power can be devoted to creating a Trek-esque universal translator.
I would certainly hope they have good research projects that don't depend on outsourcing man-hours to other nations. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case with the vast majority of Indian I.T. shops. The bulk of them seem to be hell-bent on cranking out as many lines of PHP per diem as humanly possible.
I completely agree that the OP comes off sounding like a grade-A jerk. I don't know if he could compose a thoughtful, profanity-free reply on this topic if his life depended on it, but I guess I was hoping people could separate the message from the extreme lack of tact demonstrated by the messenger.
Try having to sit across from a guy who loves Hanson and can't stop talking about how the industry is full of lies about Vista, the best operating system ever created. I wanted to use his head to stress test the impact rating of windshields in the parking lot. Sure would've relived my stress.
In my experience, I've met several Indian I.T. staffers who spoke flawless English, although you're right that sometimes the accent got in the way a bit. Unfortunately, I've dealt with far more who were completely unintelligible, and for whom writing comprehensible documentation that would pass a second grade English class is an impossible feat. That second point is more important to me than spoken dialogue.
It's always been my biggest issue with outsourcing: I don't want to work with people who can't communicate well with others on my team. Nothing against the developers, but they're going to have to change if they want to continue to compete.
You can't change history, but the fact that it isn't happening now does mean you don't need to chase those people around nowadays, worrying that they're going to blow up a school. Your argument of "but they did it in the past!" is tired.
Great job, mods. Let's take a post that's a completely on-topic reply to another poster's inquiry regarding the terminology at play here, and mod it as off-topic because you disagree with its implications.
It isn't that we need new terminology, it's that (1) the masses are poorly educated on this topic with respect to history, and eat up media buzzwords, and (2) corporations exploit (1) to make it seem as though they're doing something much more impressive than they actually are.
Not to be harsh or anything, but having all the computing power in the world isn't going to help Indian enterprises when their staff can't be bothered to speak English well enough to deal with the project teams they're trying to sell their services to.
You must have missed my other post where I openly agree that it was a dick move, and that a much better alternative would have been to set up a virtual environment that mirrors public sites.
I'm pretty sure that part of the OP wasn't intended to be taken literally, as "Budweiser - American's response to shitty low-grade European beers." If that's the only part of the post you can be bothered to try to build your foundation on, you're screwed, but you already knew that.
Wrong again. Private residences are conventionally accepted to be just that: private. Many public-facing wikis are more like houses that never had doors built into them in the first place, with "Welcome All, Walk Right In" mat in every blank doorway.
By my personal code of ethics, I'd never engage in such behavior for commercial gain. Others aren't so picky (reference spammers, phishers, botnet operators, etc).
Major corporations "make the calculations" all the time, only to be proven wrong when consumer backlash hits. This is a publicly traded company, and at the end of the day its shareholders care about profits over the morals of others, period.
As for online sales, everything has been hit by the recession. Online sales are far from immune, and have suffered.
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I know Perl-Fu. There, now it's a Keaunu Reeves joke.
You'd be shocked by some of the stuff that goes down in the military.
Screw the stapler. I'm more concerned about the fact that I ordered my drink with no salt, NO SALT.
There was this one time when I was trying to code, and this gorgeous woman was fawning all over me. She kept taking articles of clothing off and cuddling up to me. I tell you, it was awful! Do you have any idea how hard it is to code with a beautiful naked woman throwing herself at you?
I'm calling a divorce attorney. That must have been my wife, as I don't believe there's actually another woman on the planet who fits that description (with the possible exception of Rob Malda's girl).
I didn't think it was possible, but that rates as too awful for Slashdot. How am I supposed to write code with that image in my head?
I could go all sorts of ways with that one. If I were her, I probably would. I'm just gonna go back to coding and leave it alone.
Just because you don't understand their accent when they actually have learned more than one language doesn't mean anything
The inability to write documentation and participate in requirements discussions means everything. I don't care how many languages a person "sort of" speaks; if he can't write in fluent English, I don't want to work with him on projects where that's supposed to be a requirement. You don't see me running around trying to work with overseas firms where I don't speak the language.
As I said in reply to another poster, I'm hoping they devote a healthy chunk of that new supercomputing power to developing a universal translator.
US, actually. From what I understand it's worse in the UK. Perhaps all this new supercomputing power can be devoted to creating a Trek-esque universal translator.
I would certainly hope they have good research projects that don't depend on outsourcing man-hours to other nations. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case with the vast majority of Indian I.T. shops. The bulk of them seem to be hell-bent on cranking out as many lines of PHP per diem as humanly possible.
I completely agree that the OP comes off sounding like a grade-A jerk. I don't know if he could compose a thoughtful, profanity-free reply on this topic if his life depended on it, but I guess I was hoping people could separate the message from the extreme lack of tact demonstrated by the messenger.
Try having to sit across from a guy who loves Hanson and can't stop talking about how the industry is full of lies about Vista, the best operating system ever created. I wanted to use his head to stress test the impact rating of windshields in the parking lot. Sure would've relived my stress.
I still have nightmares of those endless tendrils of code wrapping around my ankles... it's too hard to talk about, man. Just too hard to talk about.
In my experience, I've met several Indian I.T. staffers who spoke flawless English, although you're right that sometimes the accent got in the way a bit. Unfortunately, I've dealt with far more who were completely unintelligible, and for whom writing comprehensible documentation that would pass a second grade English class is an impossible feat. That second point is more important to me than spoken dialogue.
It's always been my biggest issue with outsourcing: I don't want to work with people who can't communicate well with others on my team. Nothing against the developers, but they're going to have to change if they want to continue to compete.
You can't change history, but the fact that it isn't happening now does mean you don't need to chase those people around nowadays, worrying that they're going to blow up a school. Your argument of "but they did it in the past!" is tired.
Great job, mods. Let's take a post that's a completely on-topic reply to another poster's inquiry regarding the terminology at play here, and mod it as off-topic because you disagree with its implications.
It isn't that we need new terminology, it's that (1) the masses are poorly educated on this topic with respect to history, and eat up media buzzwords, and (2) corporations exploit (1) to make it seem as though they're doing something much more impressive than they actually are.
Not to be harsh or anything, but having all the computing power in the world isn't going to help Indian enterprises when their staff can't be bothered to speak English well enough to deal with the project teams they're trying to sell their services to.
You must have missed my other post where I openly agree that it was a dick move, and that a much better alternative would have been to set up a virtual environment that mirrors public sites.
You're a joke. It's too bad you're not man enough to log in and reply. I love idiots who can't even be bothered to go through a user's post history.
False. Islam came first.
I'm pretty sure that part of the OP wasn't intended to be taken literally, as "Budweiser - American's response to shitty low-grade European beers." If that's the only part of the post you can be bothered to try to build your foundation on, you're screwed, but you already knew that.
Wrong again. Private residences are conventionally accepted to be just that: private. Many public-facing wikis are more like houses that never had doors built into them in the first place, with "Welcome All, Walk Right In" mat in every blank doorway.
This is a bit more than wiki spam, it's chopping up data in segments, encrypting them, and distributing them across a range of sites for storage.
By my personal code of ethics, I'd never engage in such behavior for commercial gain. Others aren't so picky (reference spammers, phishers, botnet operators, etc).
How did you miss that part of my post?
Major corporations "make the calculations" all the time, only to be proven wrong when consumer backlash hits. This is a publicly traded company, and at the end of the day its shareholders care about profits over the morals of others, period.
As for online sales, everything has been hit by the recession. Online sales are far from immune, and have suffered.
Your post is ethically on target, but fails legally. Societies live and die by rule of law.
I assure you, more than justice is going to be breached. Better get the handcuffs ready.