What happened to whining about piracy? Any time someone else wants to do something unexpected with their stuff it's piracy. Now that it's time to defend Apple, suddenly that doesn't apply anymore.
These licenses should be transferrable as a matter of law but that's not the case. That's how it SHOULD be rather than how it actually is.
Whether this whole thing is a hoax or not it does bring up a very important issue that far too many people seem far too willing to just ignore.
You've got no proof of purchase, you've got no token of ownership, and you've got nothing that can be transferred to someone else in an unambiguously legal fashion.
> why should those rights change in value just because he's hit by a car?
Because they aren't actually rights.
It's not property and never was.
Trying to pretend that it's property is just repeating propaganda that's ultimately intended to benefit large corporations and abuse the actual talent.
I dunno. Apple and it's users seem entirely full of themselves. It's nice to put things into perspective and point out how Apple is occassionally a failure. It's not infallible. It has some rather spectacular failures to it's name and it yet may lose the current platform war. There's precedent for it.
In other words you have to engage in blatant bogus propaganda and redefine things in order for reality to fit your rhetoric.
The "Ultrabook market" is an entirely self invented construct. It is a small subset of the overall PC and laptop market. Apple has first mover lead in tablets but it remains to be seen whether that will hold. They've already lost their lead in compatible phones and have to compete through litigation rather than their product.
MacOS suffers from a group think mentality even worse than Windows. If you decide to do something a little creative, you will get shouted down by the mob. You might even be accused of a pirate.
Someone has probably done that in this thread already.
I've actually owned a Mercedes (unlike you) and Macs are no Mercedes.
Equating a Mac with a Mercedes isn't elitist. It's clueless. It's funny to those of us that actually can afford the finer things and recognize quality.
Your overpriced PC doesn't make you any better than the rest of the plebes.
MacOS is overrated. Do you have any? Do you have the slightest clue or do you just repeat other people's propaganda.
I have and have had multiple Macs. I've seen the "competition" and it's overrated. Perhaps Macs have some benefit from being preloaded. That's not something unique to Macs.
The quality is no better. Mac usability is generally only better if you have relatively weak requirements. It "hides information" well but then hides it too well when you want to do something more interesting.
If you don't want to use your PC as a glorified iPad, you are better with something else. Also, at that level the usability differences between operating systems (even Linux) don't matter so much.
Beyond being overhyped and overpriced, the Mac community suffers from a more severe group think than Windows users. They seem to be actively geek hostile. If you are the least bit creative, you are likely to get shouted down or called a pirate.
Windows may be a festering pile but it's users seem to be much more interesting in "doing interesting things".
A general purpose computer is a tool, not an appliance.
It conflates "some problems exist" with "nothing ever works for anyone". It also ignores that many of the same exact problems exist for Windows which is a monopoly product produced by a large company and supported by an entire industry of large companies.
> Let me put some things into perspective here. I'd like to invoke a fairly common thought experiment to test if Linux is ready for the "desktop". Can your grandmother use it without any issues and without/extensive/ support?
Been there and done that already.
The only real issue is things that are Windows only like games and drivers for certain devices from companies that are hostile to Free Software.
The idea that Windows is user friendly is a myth. It is a post factum argument based on marketshare being equal to quality when Windows is just the extension of the dominance of MS-DOS.
Doctors and engineers still need tech support dealing with Windows. You are arguing against Linux based on a big bogus lie.
I don't have problems with proprietary drivers or even 3rd party drivers I've built myself. Someone decided to address this problem and it hasn't been a real issue for about 2 or 4 years now. It's just a nice talking point for people to repeat when they want to trash Linux.
If a proprietary developer wants to ignore "How Linux does things" then this is no different than them ignoring "How Apple does things".
> Well it is annoying to have to rebuild things when the kernel is updated, vmware comes to mind.
That's been addressed. If vmware still screws this up then that's a problem being create by VMware Corp and not Linux. Running to MacOS like an idiot is not going to insulate you from proprietary developers that behave badly.
> Yes yes I can tweak, twiddle to my hearts content and > somehow figure out that I need to do a polka dance while > singing the star bangled banner to get audio, or multi-screens > to work.
I haven't had trouble with Linux audio in about 10 years.
I think you're just full of shit.
I don't care you long you claim you've been using Linux. You sound like a clueless troll using FUD that was outdated in the last century.
You don't even need a chroot. You can just figure out what your old application needs and pull things into other environments piecemeal. You can do this with orphans and you can do this with older versions of apps.
You run Doom 3? I run Civ CTP and Sim City 3000. They're all equally ancient.
That's kind of like expecting everyone to treat Benedict Arnold as a national hero instead of a traitor. Miguel jumped the shark a long time ago. The fact that he was helpful at some point in the past doesn't mean that he's free from criticism in perpetuity.
Besides, being this "great heroic figure" means that he's someone that likely deserves the bulk of the blame here.
The patent office is not doing it's job. They are allowing things through that aren't at all inventive. It doesn't matter if the IDEA of using pinch to zoom is new. You don't get a 20 year monopoly on "new". You are supposed to get a 20 year monpoly on inventive.
That means HOW something is done. The "what" is pretty irrelevant. The fact that I can "re-invent" pinch to zoom just by hearing it described is what should make it unpatentable.
This is the problem laymen making judgements about the state of the art. The legal standard is not supposed to be "what impresses morons".
Otherwise nothing will ever get done because EVERYTHING builds on something else. If you think otherwise then you are just a pathological narcisist.
Although I don't accept your premise.
BOTH devices are blatant copies of any number of other devices that came before them. This is how progress occurs.
Ownership is not supposed to be assigned to "what" but to HOW. That HOW needs to be non-trivial. It needs to be something that can't be replicated by some student.
Patents need to be real inventions, not college homework assignments.
Copyrights and Patents exist only because that power is granted to the Government under a limited set of circumstances. It is not a right granted to individuals like those listed in the Bill of Rights. It does not exist for the benefit of the "owner". It exists for a limited time for the benefit of society in general.
The unbound nature of a thought makes the abiltiy to exclude others from it as a natural right rather absurd.
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Except that is piracy.
What happened to whining about piracy? Any time someone else wants to do something unexpected with their stuff it's piracy. Now that it's time to defend Apple, suddenly that doesn't apply anymore.
These licenses should be transferrable as a matter of law but that's not the case. That's how it SHOULD be rather than how it actually is.
Whether this whole thing is a hoax or not it does bring up a very important issue that far too many people seem far too willing to just ignore.
You've got no proof of purchase, you've got no token of ownership, and you've got nothing that can be transferred to someone else in an unambiguously legal fashion.
> why should those rights change in value just because he's hit by a car?
Because they aren't actually rights.
It's not property and never was.
Trying to pretend that it's property is just repeating propaganda that's ultimately intended to benefit large corporations and abuse the actual talent.
Only "files" are under license.
Music on physical media is personal property and can be disposed of as such.
I dunno. Apple and it's users seem entirely full of themselves. It's nice to put things into perspective and point out how Apple is occassionally a failure. It's not infallible. It has some rather spectacular failures to it's name and it yet may lose the current platform war. There's precedent for it.
How long has Slashdot been around.
What do you think the media age of the user community was then?
It seems that Apple users are also bad at math.
No. We understand all right. We actually know how technology works. We aren't just "proudly ignorant" conspicous consumers.
Usable input peripherals? On a Mac? You must be joking? All of their keyboards are crap to use. It doesn't matter how fancy they are.
They are no less in need of replacement inputs than any other laptop.
I haven't had the inclination to even try something like that since the 90s. Not since cheap router appliances became cheap and plentiful.
In other words you have to engage in blatant bogus propaganda and redefine things in order for reality to fit your rhetoric.
The "Ultrabook market" is an entirely self invented construct. It is a small subset of the overall PC and laptop market. Apple has first mover lead in tablets but it remains to be seen whether that will hold. They've already lost their lead in compatible phones and have to compete through litigation rather than their product.
> If price were the most important thing, Lenovo and Dell would be the market leaders.
In what strange alternate reality are they not?
MacOS suffers from a group think mentality even worse than Windows. If you decide to do something a little creative, you will get shouted down by the mob. You might even be accused of a pirate.
Someone has probably done that in this thread already.
> Not everyone can afford a Mercedes GLK.
I've actually owned a Mercedes (unlike you) and Macs are no Mercedes.
Equating a Mac with a Mercedes isn't elitist. It's clueless. It's funny to those of us that actually can afford the finer things and recognize quality.
Your overpriced PC doesn't make you any better than the rest of the plebes.
> Why OS X isn't more popular then?
You're simply swimming in the Kool-Aid and don't realize it.
That's why.
People can be given a Mac for free and not take to it. The "superiority" of MacOS is mostly in your head. "Beauty" is highly subjective.
You are laboring under the false delusion that a PC loaded with Windows would not require "free tech support".
The same goes for a Mac.
MacOS is overrated. Do you have any? Do you have the slightest clue or do you just repeat other people's propaganda.
I have and have had multiple Macs. I've seen the "competition" and it's overrated. Perhaps Macs have some benefit from being preloaded. That's not something unique to Macs.
The quality is no better. Mac usability is generally only better if you have relatively weak requirements. It "hides information" well but then hides it too well when you want to do something more interesting.
If you don't want to use your PC as a glorified iPad, you are better with something else. Also, at that level the usability differences between operating systems (even Linux) don't matter so much.
Beyond being overhyped and overpriced, the Mac community suffers from a more severe group think than Windows users. They seem to be actively geek hostile. If you are the least bit creative, you are likely to get shouted down or called a pirate.
Windows may be a festering pile but it's users seem to be much more interesting in "doing interesting things".
A general purpose computer is a tool, not an appliance.
That page is hysterical nonsense.
It conflates "some problems exist" with "nothing ever works for anyone". It also ignores that many of the same exact problems exist for Windows which is a monopoly product produced by a large company and supported by an entire industry of large companies.
> Let me put some things into perspective here. I'd like to invoke a fairly common thought experiment to test if Linux is ready for the "desktop". Can your grandmother use it without any issues and without /extensive/ support?
Been there and done that already.
The only real issue is things that are Windows only like games and drivers for certain devices from companies that are hostile to Free Software.
The idea that Windows is user friendly is a myth. It is a post factum argument based on marketshare being equal to quality when Windows is just the extension of the dominance of MS-DOS.
Doctors and engineers still need tech support dealing with Windows. You are arguing against Linux based on a big bogus lie.
I don't have problems with proprietary drivers or even 3rd party drivers I've built myself. Someone decided to address this problem and it hasn't been a real issue for about 2 or 4 years now. It's just a nice talking point for people to repeat when they want to trash Linux.
If a proprietary developer wants to ignore "How Linux does things" then this is no different than them ignoring "How Apple does things".
> Well it is annoying to have to rebuild things when the kernel is updated, vmware comes to mind.
That's been addressed. If vmware still screws this up then that's a problem being create by VMware Corp and not Linux. Running to MacOS like an idiot is not going to insulate you from proprietary developers that behave badly.
> Yes yes I can tweak, twiddle to my hearts content and
> somehow figure out that I need to do a polka dance while
> singing the star bangled banner to get audio, or multi-screens
> to work.
I haven't had trouble with Linux audio in about 10 years.
I think you're just full of shit.
I don't care you long you claim you've been using Linux. You sound like a clueless troll using FUD that was outdated in the last century.
You don't even need a chroot. You can just figure out what your old application needs and pull things into other environments piecemeal. You can do this with orphans and you can do this with older versions of apps.
You run Doom 3? I run Civ CTP and Sim City 3000. They're all equally ancient.
That's kind of like expecting everyone to treat Benedict Arnold as a national hero instead of a traitor. Miguel jumped the shark a long time ago. The fact that he was helpful at some point in the past doesn't mean that he's free from criticism in perpetuity.
Besides, being this "great heroic figure" means that he's someone that likely deserves the bulk of the blame here.
Trying to pass the buck to Linus is just sad.
Most patents look obvious because THEY ARE.
The patent office is not doing it's job. They are allowing things through that aren't at all inventive. It doesn't matter if the IDEA of using pinch to zoom is new. You don't get a 20 year monopoly on "new". You are supposed to get a 20 year monpoly on inventive.
That means HOW something is done. The "what" is pretty irrelevant. The fact that I can "re-invent" pinch to zoom just by hearing it described is what should make it unpatentable.
This is the problem laymen making judgements about the state of the art. The legal standard is not supposed to be "what impresses morons".
Yet the iPod went nowhere until those related criticisms were addressed.
Yes. Blatant copying is OK with me.
Otherwise nothing will ever get done because EVERYTHING builds on something else. If you think otherwise then you are just a pathological narcisist.
Although I don't accept your premise.
BOTH devices are blatant copies of any number of other devices that came before them. This is how progress occurs.
Ownership is not supposed to be assigned to "what" but to HOW. That HOW needs to be non-trivial. It needs to be something that can't be replicated by some student.
Patents need to be real inventions, not college homework assignments.
Patents and copyrights expire.
Actual property rights do not.
Copyrights and Patents exist only because that power is granted to the Government under a limited set of circumstances. It is not a right granted to individuals like those listed in the Bill of Rights. It does not exist for the benefit of the "owner". It exists for a limited time for the benefit of society in general.
The unbound nature of a thought makes the abiltiy to exclude others from it as a natural right rather absurd.