> You realise that USB was an Intel standard that was pioneered exclusively on Macs, right?
and included for free on all of Intel's motherboards at the time so that by the time Microsoft finally got on board there were plenty of systems out there already that supported it.
The current situation with TB is the INVERSE of that.
There are already multiple alternatives to thunderbolt.
That's why some of us are less than excited about a closely held standard that requires the purchase of a Mac or a $400 Intel motherboard and also requires $50 cables.
The enclosure in the article is pretty expensive too.
Even if USB3 weren't already on 2 of my recent motherboards, I would still be able to add it to any system I want. The same goes for eSATA and the really exotic options.
My "reading ability" doesn't alter the fact that Chomsky's work is far more relevant to machines than it is to actual real people and actual natural languages.
So the distinction between invention and reinvention is probably pretty meaningless.
Certainly. Once they've spent a year making thunderbolt look like a proprietary Apple exclusive, Intel will have their work cut out for them. Intel's approach to supporting TB on PCs doesn't seem any better really.
Seems like these guys are using the "iPod argument".
Sure other people invented all of the pieces but they were the first ones to tie it together with a bow and make it easy to use. It sounds like they MAY have created the first walled garden mail system along the lines of Lotus Notes or Outlook/Exchange.
Want a "word processor" for your email program? Just point your email client to a suitable editor.
> He is claiming to have invented the first "full-scale, inter-organizational electronic mail system".
Nope. The OP covered that claim too.
Once you've got "intra-organizational" mail of any sort it's a pretty trivial step to generalize that to "inter-organizational" mail. Given the size of some organizations, that might already have occurred even a mail system that is only within a single organization.
The whole "intra" versus "inter" distinction is remarkably artificial.
> You cannot do any sort of substantial alteration to it and expect them to take it back
So that means that I can't install "proprietary app of your choice" or "proprietary game of your choice" then?
It's a PC. It's built to be modified.
One of the first things I would do with a stock WinPC short of replacing the OS would be to install all of those little utilities that allow me to tweak those things that are supposed to be able to destroy they hardware if it's running Linux. I like to be able to see and directly control things like fan speed and CPU temperature and CPU speed.
If the machine is overheating, the BIOS should shut it down before any damage is done.
The "temperature issue" sounds like something to fix with speeding up the CPU fans or scaling back the CPU speed. A bleeding edge copy of temperature monitors doesn't really seem like the right solution.
Yes. This rubbed me the wrong way too. Gene's dad should have been proud like the day Gene was born. He should have shanghaied everyone he could, dragged them into the house, and sat them down in front of the TV.
The personal significance of the situation would likely not have been missed by anyone that witnessed the birth of Trek at Old Man Roddenberry's house. No apologies required.
I saw a number of people who were on the fence and were pushed over that fence by the simple act of McCain choosing Palin as a running mate. Palin is an idiot fundie nutbag that was bad enough to help people get over whatever lingering racism they may have had regarding Obama.
Palin proved that there's something the electorate fears more than a black man in the White House.
I had a class in college where the textbook was written by the professor teaching the course. The textbook was so poorly written that he pretty had to abandon it even for his own class.
Yeah. It's an OS for 2012 meant to run on hardware from the dark ages. Chances are that this ancient hardware is already doing quite well without modern wifi support.
There's some hardware that require 3rd party payware device drivers on the latest Mac. So the claim that an "OS for today" needs to have every random device accounted for is not that realistic really.
By what metric? Total dollars or percentage of net worth?
It's easy to be "charitable" when you own multiple monopoly products that have been a drain on the economy for decades. It's easy to be charitable when you are one of biggest crooks on the planet.
Big Crooks giving away a lot of money to fix their image is nothing new. You've heard of Carnegie Hall?
Fanboys and Zealots are confusing the obvious historical reality with any sort of approval of Gates. You don't have to like the guy to realize he's buying himself a better place in history.
They don't whine and bitch and moan. So they are far less visible. That's the problem with stuff in general. Most people that aren't having problems simply aren't motivated to declare that things are fine.
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> You realise that USB was an Intel standard that was pioneered exclusively on Macs, right?
and included for free on all of Intel's motherboards at the time so that by the time Microsoft finally got on board there were plenty of systems out there already that supported it.
The current situation with TB is the INVERSE of that.
No. People have discarded Firewire or ignored it entirely for other reasons.
It takes a lot more effort to expose a PCI slot.
Any idiot can casually plug something into a TB port.
This is an actual real problem with USB ports already.
There are already multiple alternatives to thunderbolt.
That's why some of us are less than excited about a closely held standard that requires the purchase of a Mac or a $400 Intel motherboard and also requires $50 cables.
The enclosure in the article is pretty expensive too.
> There is a market, but you're not it.
You are even less in it than I am.
Then where's my expansion card then?
Even if USB3 weren't already on 2 of my recent motherboards, I would still be able to add it to any system I want. The same goes for eSATA and the really exotic options.
> Give it time: There was a point where USB looked like an "Apple exclusive" port as well.
Not really. USB was being bundled with practically every PC motherboard in those days, especially the Intel ones.
My "reading ability" doesn't alter the fact that Chomsky's work is far more relevant to machines than it is to actual real people and actual natural languages.
So the distinction between invention and reinvention is probably pretty meaningless.
Certainly. Once they've spent a year making thunderbolt look like a proprietary Apple exclusive, Intel will have their work cut out for them. Intel's approach to supporting TB on PCs doesn't seem any better really.
> There is a certain value to making something actually work.
He can't claim credit for that either.
Seems like these guys are using the "iPod argument".
Sure other people invented all of the pieces but they were the first ones to tie it together with a bow and make it easy to use. It sounds like they MAY have created the first walled garden mail system along the lines of Lotus Notes or Outlook/Exchange.
Want a "word processor" for your email program? Just point your email client to a suitable editor.
"Tight integration" isn't exactly required.
> He is claiming to have invented the first "full-scale, inter-organizational electronic mail system".
Nope. The OP covered that claim too.
Once you've got "intra-organizational" mail of any sort it's a pretty trivial step to generalize that to "inter-organizational" mail. Given the size of some organizations, that might already have occurred even a mail system that is only within a single organization.
The whole "intra" versus "inter" distinction is remarkably artificial.
No. He didn't invent linguistics. He perhaps invented a naive approach to linguistics that only really makes sense when applied to machines.
Then obviously you do every thing you can to avoid marketing materials in general.
I loved that aspect of the Tivo.
> You cannot do any sort of substantial alteration to it and expect them to take it back
So that means that I can't install "proprietary app of your choice" or "proprietary game of your choice" then?
It's a PC. It's built to be modified.
One of the first things I would do with a stock WinPC short of replacing the OS would be to install all of those little utilities that allow me to tweak those things that are supposed to be able to destroy they hardware if it's running Linux. I like to be able to see and directly control things like fan speed and CPU temperature and CPU speed.
Chances are that you want to put a bigger/faster one in there anyways.
If the machine is overheating, the BIOS should shut it down before any damage is done.
The "temperature issue" sounds like something to fix with speeding up the CPU fans or scaling back the CPU speed. A bleeding edge copy of temperature monitors doesn't really seem like the right solution.
Yes. This rubbed me the wrong way too. Gene's dad should have been proud like the day Gene was born. He should have shanghaied everyone he could, dragged them into the house, and sat them down in front of the TV.
The personal significance of the situation would likely not have been missed by anyone that witnessed the birth of Trek at Old Man Roddenberry's house. No apologies required.
They likely weren't hipster d-bags either.
Or they perhaps realize that they are not white and ultra-wealthy.
This is the true constituency of the Republican party.
Why would ANY one else be foolish enough to vote GOP?
I saw a number of people who were on the fence and were pushed over that fence by the simple act of McCain choosing Palin as a running mate. Palin is an idiot fundie nutbag that was bad enough to help people get over whatever lingering racism they may have had regarding Obama.
Palin proved that there's something the electorate fears more than a black man in the White House.
I had a class in college where the textbook was written by the professor teaching the course. The textbook was so poorly written that he pretty had to abandon it even for his own class.
...at least not in public where everyone can see you.
Actually, most of the bloggers out there agree with the basic idea that a tablet is a read only device.
Yeah. It's an OS for 2012 meant to run on hardware from the dark ages. Chances are that this ancient hardware is already doing quite well without modern wifi support.
There's some hardware that require 3rd party payware device drivers on the latest Mac. So the claim that an "OS for today" needs to have every random device accounted for is not that realistic really.
By what metric? Total dollars or percentage of net worth?
It's easy to be "charitable" when you own multiple monopoly products that have been a drain on the economy for decades. It's easy to be charitable when you are one of biggest crooks on the planet.
Big Crooks giving away a lot of money to fix their image is nothing new. You've heard of Carnegie Hall?
Fanboys and Zealots are confusing the obvious historical reality with any sort of approval of Gates. You don't have to like the guy to realize he's buying himself a better place in history.
They don't whine and bitch and moan. So they are far less visible. That's the problem with stuff in general. Most people that aren't having problems simply aren't motivated to declare that things are fine.