>>close the lid the laptop goes to sleep > > Every laptop (including Windows) has been able to do this for 10 years..
No. No it hasn't.
It's very educational to have an older Windows laptop around just for reference. It's easy to buy into the nonsense that some people spew. It's easy to buy into the nonsense and propaganda if you haven't touched a real Windows machine in a long time. The fact that Windows machines are not nearly as idyllic as the Lemmings like to claim is a big reason we're having this discussion here....of course the Lemmings can always respond with "but we fixed everything this time, really we did. trust us".
> For instance, why does the standard terminal in Ubuntu by default make you press Shift-Control-C and -V for Copy/Paste instead of just Control-C?
I dunno.
I just use the standard that has existed since before Linux existed, the one that I learned to use on Sun Workstations in the 80s....just used it again now actually.
> I did it. Though that wasn't so much because college was cheaper as because I chose to go to a cheaper college.
I dunno. Sounds like you are trying to compare some Mikey Mouse community college to a real University. There's a wide range of institutions that call themselves "college" and they are not all interchangeable. Not at all...
So comparisons have to be more precise and detailed in order to be meaningful.
Even the relatively cheap Universities have gotten a lot more expensive to the point of making some form of student aid mandatory for most people.
...which come around to the idea of MERIT again. Those that demonstrate a talent for college should be actively encouraged to go and there should be minimal bullsh*t to distract them from the task at hand.
The same goes for mechanics BTW.
It's time to resurrect vocational ed. It's been hammered at the same time funding to higher education has.
No. The other guy is right. There have been deep subsides on higher education for at least 2 generations now. It's only very recently that tuition costs have gotten way out of hand. This is more little attributable to the Republican tendency to slash funding to higher education at the state level. That is the real variable here. There has been pretty constant government support of higher education prior to that with no severe market distortions.
Ron Paul is pretty much demonstrating himself to be a Space Cadet with this one.
Piracy keeps people strung along until they are willing or able to pay. The puritanical approach just shrinks the entire market and reduces the numbers of consumers.
This should be obvious to anyone that can think past the current quarter's numbers.
If not for an artificial distortion in the law and the industry's attempts to sabotage consumer empowerment, there would be no problem here.
Dealing with DVDs and BluRays would be as easy as dealing with Music. It would be done by iTunes (and everyone else) and it would be easy and legal.
The problem of "price" is for the market to decide. The problem of "how" is trivial if you don't artificially distort the situation through corrupting governments.
The missus chuckles any time she sees the "startup laptop during skydive" commercial as she has the laptop in question running the OS in question and it doesn't behave anything like the one in the commercial. It's a fairly new machine that's not modified too heavily from it's stock configuration.
+...this is just like "minimum system requirements".
There are probably a lot of details left out, a lot of overly optimistic assumptions made and it's probably not a stock configuration as you're going to see it from a manufacturer or at work once your local IT and corporate management gets a hold of it.
> Nothing on Android looks or works quite right....in other words you're just used to how Apple decided to do things and can't cope with anything else.
"but but Android is a copy of Apple really it is. Never mind the fact that it isn't really."
Some of us like that fact (that Android isn't really a clone of PhoneOS). Makes working with our phones nicer and much less of a bother....as far as "programmer art" goes. Android runs much of the same programs as the iPhone does and they're written by the same people.
> So let me get this straight - wholesale copying of someone else's > effort is innovation, and changing things so that your product is > different than a competitor's product is needless? > > > This is insight? To who, 10 year olds?
To Steve Jobs, that's who.
We buy Androids not because they are Apple clones but because they are NOT Apple clones.
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>>close the lid the laptop goes to sleep
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> Every laptop (including Windows) has been able to do this for 10 years..
No. No it hasn't.
It's very educational to have an older Windows laptop around just for reference. It's easy to buy into the nonsense that some people spew. It's easy to buy into the nonsense and propaganda if you haven't touched a real Windows machine in a long time. The fact that Windows machines are not nearly as idyllic as the Lemmings like to claim is a big reason we're having this discussion here. ...of course the Lemmings can always respond with "but we fixed everything this time, really we did. trust us".
> For instance, why does the standard terminal in Ubuntu by default make you press Shift-Control-C and -V for Copy/Paste instead of just Control-C?
I dunno.
I just use the standard that has existed since before Linux existed, the one that I learned to use on Sun Workstations in the 80s. ...just used it again now actually.
> Freedom to have a cheap laptop whose battery life drops from 2 hours when new, to 30 minutes after a couple years ? Yeah, you can keep your freedom
With a non walled-garden design, I can just replace that battery in a couple of years.
That was one annoying thing about my iPhone. It was suffering from that very problem. Battery life had gone to crap.
At least with my current phone, I can replace that battery myself should the need arise.
> Because Apple's bad cooling designs cause normal failure in 2-3 years even without manufacturing defects.
Yes. I would like to second this one. I had a machine die for this very reason.
Although I might have caught it earlier if I would have torture tested it properly during the brief period where I could actually give the thing back.
For an alleged "premium brand", the standard warranties on Apple products are shockingly brief.
>> Crucial is not cheap 3rd party memory
>
> First party memory is from Apple. From anybody else it's 3rd party.
This is precisely the sort of nonsense that prompted companies to seek out alternatives to commercial Unix.
It's funny that ANY ONE here is defending this sort of nonsense.
> You've been able to plug a standard USB 3 button/wheel mouse into a Mac and use all the buttons since last century
Which kind of defeats the point of using a laptop to begin with.
This goes double when you start whining about "weight" and "design".
If I wanted my laptop to be tethered to it's moorings like a desktop, I would just get a desktop (did that too).
Been there done that.
I still call bullshit on "build quality".
Someone has come up with a nice objective falsifiable argument and you retreat back into stuff that's subjective at best.
The keyboards on current Mac products are the #1 reason I would avoid them these days. Don't even have to get into politics.
> I did it. Though that wasn't so much because college was cheaper as because I chose to go to a cheaper college.
I dunno. Sounds like you are trying to compare some Mikey Mouse community college to a real University. There's a wide range of institutions that call themselves "college" and they are not all interchangeable. Not at all...
So comparisons have to be more precise and detailed in order to be meaningful.
Even the relatively cheap Universities have gotten a lot more expensive to the point of making some form of student aid mandatory for most people.
...which come around to the idea of MERIT again. Those that demonstrate a talent for college should be actively encouraged to go and there should be minimal bullsh*t to distract them from the task at hand.
The same goes for mechanics BTW.
It's time to resurrect vocational ed. It's been hammered at the same time funding to higher education has.
No. The other guy is right. There have been deep subsides on higher education for at least 2 generations now. It's only very recently that tuition costs have gotten way out of hand. This is more little attributable to the Republican tendency to slash funding to higher education at the state level. That is the real variable here. There has been pretty constant government support of higher education prior to that with no severe market distortions.
Ron Paul is pretty much demonstrating himself to be a Space Cadet with this one.
> any more than Ubuntu comes even remotely close to Mac OS X.
+...don't believe the hype.
The same goes for MacOS or PhoneOS.
Apple owns a big chunk of the market because of an early lead and marketing and that chunk they do own is shrinking.
Just you wait until 3D printers become more commonplace.
It's moronic to try and conflate an automobile with yesterdays top 40 hits. Although that barrier too will eventually fall.
> Then DON'T buy it. Don't consume it
That is really the LAST thing any business wants.
Piracy keeps people strung along until they are willing or able to pay. The puritanical approach just shrinks the entire market and reduces the numbers of consumers.
This should be obvious to anyone that can think past the current quarter's numbers.
No. He did not forget anything.
If not for an artificial distortion in the law and the industry's attempts to sabotage consumer empowerment, there would be no problem here.
Dealing with DVDs and BluRays would be as easy as dealing with Music. It would be done by iTunes (and everyone else) and it would be easy and legal.
The problem of "price" is for the market to decide.
The problem of "how" is trivial if you don't artificially distort the situation through corrupting governments.
Once something is in the public domain, there doesn't need to be some sort of "profit incentive".
Anyone that has access to the material can make it public. Modern technology will do the rest.
The missus chuckles any time she sees the "startup laptop during skydive" commercial as she has the laptop in question running the OS in question and it doesn't behave anything like the one in the commercial. It's a fairly new machine that's not modified too heavily from it's stock configuration.
+...this is just like "minimum system requirements".
There are probably a lot of details left out, a lot of overly optimistic assumptions made and it's probably not a stock configuration as you're going to see it from a manufacturer or at work once your local IT and corporate management gets a hold of it.
Windows + Fortune 500 IT is a truly scary thing.
...not a great idea for an OS that is a malware magnet.
Plus you just placed another burden on the n00b user. They have to figure out what you just told them to do.
Updates in both MacOS and Windows are far too disruptive for systems released in this day and age.
...except a "booted Windows" of any vintage is still less useful.
> Nothing on Android looks or works quite right. ...in other words you're just used to how Apple decided to do things and can't cope with anything else.
"but but Android is a copy of Apple really it is. Never mind the fact that it isn't really."
Some of us like that fact (that Android isn't really a clone of PhoneOS). Makes working with our phones nicer and much less of a bother. ...as far as "programmer art" goes. Android runs much of the same programs as the iPhone does and they're written by the same people.
> Keep repeating a myth
This wasn't any myth. This was the statements of a younger Steve Jobs.
On the other hand, ANY THING that has been released under the GPL can be forked and taken out of the control over the entity that "owns" it.
It's kind of a big part of the point of GPL to begin with.
Do it if you care to, or not.
...except the summary said that pawn shops are excepted (pretty much making the law entirely pointless).
> So let me get this straight - wholesale copying of someone else's
> effort is innovation, and changing things so that your product is
> different than a competitor's product is needless?
>
>
> This is insight? To who, 10 year olds?
To Steve Jobs, that's who.
We buy Androids not because they are Apple clones but because they are NOT Apple clones.
You've got it backwards.
ICBMs can easily be repurposed to launch something like Sputnik.
Generally, this sort of thing is the side effect of military projects. If they try to tell you different, they are probably lying.
> Gizmodo stopped being protected by any journalism shield the moment they actively participated in theft of private property.
You could use that sort of excuse on any serious investigative journalist that ever published Pulitzer worthy material.