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Jobs Wanted To Destroy Android
hype7 writes "It's clear Steve Jobs didn't pull any punches from the interviews for his forthcoming biography. In the latest release from the book, hosted over at AP, 'Isaacson wrote that Jobs was livid in January 2010 when HTC introduced an Android phone that boasted many of the popular features of the iPhone. Apple sued, and Jobs told Isaacson in an expletive-laced rant that Google's actions amounted to "grand theft." ... "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this." ... In a subsequent meeting with Schmidt at a Palo Alto, Calif., cafe, Jobs told Schmidt that he wasn't interested in settling the lawsuit, the book says. "I don't want your money. If you offer me $5 billion, I won't want it. I've got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that's all I want." The meeting, Isaacson wrote, resolved nothing.'"
Odd coming from someone who stole the GUI and the mouse from Xerox.
from Xerox PARC and other places. Google was simply following in Apple's grand tradition of stealing any IP that wasn't nailed down too tightly.
On one hand, yes, the features probably are largely stolen.
On the other hand, that’s kind of how technology evolves.
Locking down products and ideas to the person who originally introduced them doesn’t work patents don’t work and I don’t think a free for all would either (copying something is always cheaper than development). So what is the solution here?
Seeing as Apple steals most of the new iOS features directly from Android
Can't make a phone, AAPL thought of it first?
Like the GUI and everything else, and Disney invented Snow White. It's all bullshit.
...who said that all great innovators/artists steal? Oh wait, that applies to him and only him. How dare anyone else do it!
Everything similar to his products is theft. Whenever his products borrowed ideas it was innovation.
I've never really bought into the whole Karma concept, but things like this make you wonder.
Jobs, citing Picasso:
"Good artists copy, great artists steal". And we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas.
I'm going to fucking kill Google. I've done it before and I will do it again.
-Steve...Jobs?
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I don't want your money. If you offer me $5 billion, I won't want it. I've got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that's all I want.
It's not about the money according to him so what is it? You just like being a controlling fuck over basic interface ideas? Even more reason to hate everything about Apple.
Remember when every piece of software was simply someone doing something better than it had been done before. It's no fun programming with a team of lawyers in your cubicle deleting lines of code as quickly as you type them.
As much as he wanted to destroy Android, it sounds like Steve Jobs became the guy on the telescreen in their 1984 commercial.
(Design) Purification Directive?
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Don't forget what Android looked like pre-iPhone
If Android had launched like that, the iPhone would've destroyed it. Yes, phones before the iPhone had capacitive touch, but no one was doing multitouch. Or at least, not on a wide scale like Apple did.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
They are obvious. A phone which can use the web, has a camera, download and run applications etc. It's all a natural and obvious progression of the available technology. Laughably so.
Apple didn't invent these 'ideas' any more than Google 'stole' them.
Oh no, Apple have never borrowed or stolen anything, Apple created everything, from the computer to operating systems, mobiles and even fundamental ideas of shapes!
I'm not ashamed to say that the world is better off without Steve Jobs around. The only thing he was truely good at was convincing people to overpay for restricted products, while at the same time doing everything in his power to close-off and stifle inovation by as many people as possible that weren't part of Apple.
Let's start a war!
A thermonuclear war!
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Don't forget what Android looked like pre-iPhone
If Android had launched like that, the iPhone would've destroyed it. Yes, phones before the iPhone had capacitive touch, but no one was doing multitouch. Or at least, not on a wide scale like Apple did.
Good comparison, except those are completely different phones, you idiot. Hint: Android still looks like that on some really crappy HTC models. Even more odd is that the UI on my Motorolla DROID looks nothing like either of those two! You might almost say that the UI is ... CUSTOMIZABLE.
It's my idea. Don't you dare to use MY idea. No, I don't care if somebody just came up with it. It was MY idea.
No, it's not your idea. It's everybody's idea.
Standing on the shoulders of giants - where there is room for everyone - people decided to knock everybody down to the ground who dares to scale them, because they think that only they are entitled to make use of the work of earlier generations.
The opposite of a developing country, is a stagnating country. And stagnation is what we are seeing.
And don't forget that Blackberry came out first with a gui-enabled phone, and Palm had handheld GUI devices with touchscreens in the mid 1990s.
He's dead.
I'm starting to get the impression that Steve Jobs thought very highly of himself, and thought that he was somehow a special and unique little butterfly. I mean, he clearly thought it was fine to release products with similarities to previous products (or down right copying) and calling it the "first" of its kind but when another company does the same thing it becomes a blasphemous act that deserves the holy hell of the world brought down upon them.
I'm fairly certain something about stone houses and throwing glass fits perfectly here.
Presently here, but not there.
Software patents are crap. Saying Android stole from iPhone is crap. The whole concept of doing something and then saying no one else can do it is crap. You want to make a phone that browses the web and can play media and you expect to be the only one? That's crap, too.
Patents need to stop interfering with the natural development of technology.
Isn't the free market a bitch sometimes.
Seriously, Jobs. Xerox. Freaking. Xerox.
Apple has nothing to worry about. We were waiting for an iPhone 5, then after the disappointment of only the 4s announcement, we bought my wife an Samsumg galaxy 2, where she previously had a iphone 3. So, we used it for about a week, liked the larger screen, but were appalled with the low quality of the Android interface. Nothing on Android looks or works quite right. Basically, Android pretty much feels like it was coded at gunpoint. There does not seem be any attention to any details in Android, it pretty much feels like "programmer art" in games.
So, we ended up returning the Samsung, paying the $35 restocking fee, and buying an iPhone 4. It just works.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU
Nuff said.
Keep repeating a myth and people believe it. Apple did not steal from Xerox. Apple was already developing a GUI back in the late '70s.
Awe....aren't you cute. Can't deal with the truth about St. Jobs? Dude - dudedette, for those of us who were around back then, in the early '80s, Jobs himself admitted to seeing PARC's GUI and basing the whole Mac GUI on that.
At the time, Xerox was your typical complacent big corporation that had a R&D arm. And as such, they're managers were too short sighted to see the potential of their GUI OR felt that it was irrelevant to their business and therefore let it slide. Jobs saw the potential and ran with it.
BUT....unlike Google, Jobs didn't borrow/steal from a product being currently marketed - it was just a prototype in PARC's lab at the time and absolutely no indication from Xerox that they'd be using it. So, St. Jobs' reputation is still intact as the wizard of technology and marketing.
You realize that the photo there is HTC Sense interface not Android? The same weather widget and layout they had on the Microsoft Windows phone?
So that influence would by the influence HTC had on Android, not the influence Apple did.
As for multi-touch, you may remember demonstrations of multitouch interfaces at TED which clearly influenced Jobs since he copied most of the gestures.
OSX is part UNIX, a wholesale theft one might say. Where's the outrage?
I don't know the meaning of the word 'don't' - J
Maybe I'm one of the few that has sympathy for jobs, he worked all his life being the first to make some incredible products and ideas work, just to have them all shamelessly copied.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU
http://peanutbuttereggdirt.com/e/custom/Apple-vs-Samsung-1-Hardware-Design.html
http://thisismynext.com/2011/04/19/apple-sues-samsung-analysis/
Who needs a development group when you can just wait for Apple to design it for you?
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
The book delves into Jobs' decision to delay surgery for nine months after learning in October 2003 that he had a neuroendocrine tumor — a relatively rare type of pancreatic cancer that normally grows more slowly and is therefore more treatable. Instead, he tried a vegan diet, acupuncture, herbal remedies and other treatments he found online, and even consulted a psychic.
He seems to be a poster child for alternative medicine.
Exactly how not to treat a perfectly treatable cancer.
If, the author is telling the truth. Whilst I'm not Mr Jobs' biggest fan, I do have to take this source with a huge grain of salt given it was published after his death. OTOH, it would fit with Mr Jobs' narcissism to have a scathing biography ready-written for his demise.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
and to some he was like a devil.
In reality he was just successful. But then this is more than most slashdotters will ever be.
Come on guys, if you don't like fanbois don't turn into anti-fanbois. It's just the other side of the same coin. Quasi-religious hate and spite is in no way different than quasi-religious fanboidom. It's irrational, emotional and makes you look incredibly silly.
Good artists copy, great artists steal.
Steve Jobs:
"We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."
"Good artists copy; great artists steal."
http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/452150-bill-gates-isnt-too-bothered-by-piracy/
Bill Gates:
"It's easier for our software to compete with Linux when there's piracy than when there's not."
"Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though," Gates told an audience at the University of Washington. "And as long as they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade."
Ariel Katz, a law professor at the University of Toronto and an expert on the economics of piracy:
"Microsoft benefits from piracy, then says, 'If you think prices are high, blame the Chinese, because they are the thieves,' "
"They like us to feel guilty — to think that piracy is wrong and immoral. Economically, it's not necessarily true, but it resonates with the public."
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I think that at a minimum, we should require all patents to be licensed under fair reasonable and non-discriminatory terms. While providing some means for inventors to recoup their research costs is reasonable, the approach of giving them a government granted monopoly on ideas is an anachronistic throwback to merchantilism/feudalism that should be abhorred in modern capitalistic society. Researchers should get paid, but they shouldn't be allowed to hold back progress for 20 years.
Mandatory licensing would wouldn't solve the patent troll issue, or many other problems with patents, but it would at least solve a large amount of the abuse of patents within the industry.
Said the man whose OS is based in BSD.
That he was; its OK for Apple/Jobs to steal ideas from others but oohhhh boy, watch out if others tried to steal his.
My karma is not a Chameleon.
Why hasn't Steve rolled away the stone?
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
The ONLY thing Apple has ever done is push the trend towards good graphics. They didn't invent anything, just showed that it could be done well, and that people liked it. the Mac did this, producing a mass-market GUI with reasonably consistent UI rules. the Next basically pushed the resolution and depth of the display, demonstrating the advantage of both. the iPod/iPhone showed that even small displays could use the same basic metaphors with touch.
None of these took place in a vacuum; all of them were extrapolations of work others had done. part of Job's big sell is to convince Appleheads that they were the chosen people, that they had just just a superior product, but a product in a unique category.
Of course Jobs wanted to kill Android - its existence violates the ridiculous marketing mystique he spent billions to create. It's a religious war.
It's also totally immoral. There's simply no way to defend one company saying "no, you must not create good products". And since nothing Apple created came from nowhere, there is no legal basis for claiming some kind of IP monopoly (patent, copyright, trademark, designmark).
Jobs was the Pope of the Church of Apple, and he must have been just as frustrated as Catholic popes were during the reformation.
In the Soviet Russia of the future, androids destroy jobs!
If he was really serious about this I'm sure he would have thrown some furniture. Thats why I believe Ballmer was much more serious about taking them down a notch.
"Good artists borrow; great artists steal." -Steve Jobs
Android might have "ripped [them] off wholesale," but the truth is that Android delivers a great smartphone OS to everyone instead of everyone that can save enough for an iPhone with its special data/voice plan. Did they really expect OEMs to do like RIM and just sit there while Apple designs and builds awesome hardware from the same factories they use?
Plus, Apple's products are amazing until you start "thinking different." Then you run into HUGE walls. Example: In Android, I can install an application that controls battery usage by controlling all interfaces on the phone. This seems to be impossible on the iPhone, which is bad because there are days when it will use most of the battery in less than half a day and others in about two days. Another example is adding a Windows print queue on OS X, though this might have been made easier with Lion. I'm not sure.
His frustrations are thinly warranted, though I do agree that most of Google's products are either crappy or great for two months after release. It would be great if they made APIs along with their products, but I suppose that's not the Google way.
Of Java based applications. Great for enterprise, great for cross platform portability, frustratingly annoying on pickup-and-go platforms. I would say there's also the "open source problem" you see with a lot of Ubuntu-oriented applications - that they aren't designed around human users - but Google knows enough about UI design for this not to be the case. The snappiness (or lack thereof), which I'm sure you noticed, should be a lot better with ICS which may allow a hardware accelerated UI, but it feels like too little, too late.
Please, the only reason apple got so big was not because of great products, but anti-competitive bullshit and high-level patent trolling.
Fuck. Steve. Jobs. Piss on his grave.
So now he's dead, and the world can be a happier place. Scumbag.
"I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this." - well, that was a short war.
coming from the guy that stole the GUI from PARC.
We all knew that anyway.
The picture you've got there shows the best they could do before Apple is be a cheap knockoff of RIM...
And that is just sad. From knockoff to knockoff.
For all those Android owners out there, who wants a cheap knockoff anyway?
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Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.
Except for ending slavery, the Nazis, communism, & securing American independence, war has never solved anything.
1) Jobs "borrowed" the idea for a GUI from Xerox Parc.
2) Jobs' very first product was a box which enabled stealing
from the phone company via illegal access to WATS lines.
The theme here is that Jobs wanted to be the only one who
engaged in ripoffs of one sort or another.
I find myself thinking it is not entirely a bad thing that this
Jobs character is gone. And I am typing this on a Mac.
I'm sorry he's dead but I'm not sorry he's gone.
If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is.
Wonder what Woz thinks about this?
that he stole most of the ideas for the Mac from Xerox.
Actually he licensed them and ponied up big bucks to get an afternoon for his techs to paw all over the machine. Xerox gets a cut from every GUI OS that's sold commercially these days that includes Windows. But not only did he licensed them, he made them work. The GUI on Altos was something that Xerox let gather dust, because they believed they couldn't make a computer that could do it for under 16 grand. He turned the GUI from a concept car to production model.
I think the context is important here: he's talking to a fellow board member who's also a board member of a competing company that has a similar product.
It seems more specific and personal than a company position.
Steve Jobs is already a legend. Your sad little musings tell us nothing about him, but more than we need to know about you.
for those that are successful in business. Business rewards a cutthroat attitude and ability to exploit the work of others. It doesn't surprise me that was his attitude, he was one of the most successful businessman in the last 30 years.
Coming from Jobs this was actually a strong compliment. "Good Artists Copy, Great Artists Steal" via Jobs which he flat out lifted from Picasso. Steve Jobs accomplished an awful lot in his 56 years I won't deny that. However he was also prone to stratospheric egotism, which i think might be affecting his judgment in this case. I am certain there are aspects in HTC's SenseUI flavored Android that were directly influenced by iOS. Do we know what those features were? Are those features native to the horrendous SenseUI or of Android itself? Many of the claims I have seen had prior art that was easily accessible. Can anyone point out patented ideas that are novel and unique without prior art that was stolen by HTC SenseUI Android, and Android as a whole? Or is this a copyright complaint like the slab shape Galaxy tab 10.1 argument?
Jobs is gone, who cares what he thought of Andriod. It will be interesting to see if the new cat Tim Cook is the same control freak, he sure is a hard worker, holding sunday night meetings to plan the week ahead... but does not appear to be a product visionary like jobs. If you are an Apple fan (and there is nothing wrong with that) you will over look iPhones short comings and still stand in line with bunch of $100 bills in your hand for your next upgrade, that is the genius of Jobs.
It was a misquote of Picasso, which comes from this by T. S. Eliot:
There you have the whole of the idea. Apple took the general IDEA of the GUI at Xerox, and made something much better from it. But Microsoft simply attempted a cheap rip-off of the Mac. Apple may have taken touch ideas from Palm and even the Prada, but made something wholly better and new. Android was just an inferior copy of the iPhone.
Microsoft and Google were bad poets. It took decades for Microsoft to come close overall to the beauty of what they were copying, and it'll be at least four years for Google. The original Mac and the iPhone were amazing for their times, while Windows 1 and Android 1 were total crap.
This manifests in hardware too. Jonny Ive uses the inspiration of Dieter Rams to make new great designs, while others tend to just try to copy Ive's designs.
There is NOTHING that was truely unique and original to the iphone. Or android for that matter.
"hey lets take pc task Z and make a phone do it"
Not unique.
All apple created was the fad/hype/trend of needing iproduct. And even that is not new or original to apple.
Apple also bought us the customer is the enemy and stupid type of company thinking. But that's also not unique.
Fuck steve jobs. With a bright red pitchfork.
"I've asked [Jobs why he didn't get an operation then] and he said, "I didn't want my body to be opened...I didn't want to be violated in that way," Isaacson recalls. So he waited nine months, while his wife and others urged him to do it, before getting the operation, reveals Isaacson. Asked by Kroft how such an intelligent man could make such a seemingly stupid decision, Isaacson replies, "I think that he kind of felt that if you ignore something, if you don't want something to exist, you can have magical thinking...we talked about this a lot," he tells Kroft. "He wanted to talk about it, how he regretted it....I think he felt he should have been operated on sooner."
Which means that the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field ultimately claimed the life of it's creator.
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Actually IT WAS MY idea...
honestly.. I had it in mind ages before apple did it.
I had it in my mind. a very thorough idea. I just didn't have the money to make it into a product like apple did.
So, what happened was Apple took my idea, used their money to make it into a product. They should pay me royalties!!
He may have been an asshole.
You, apparently, still are.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Locking down products and ideas to the person who originally introduced them doesn’t work patents don’t work and I don’t think a free for all would either (copying something is always cheaper than development). So what is the solution here?
Ultimately what's broken is the financial system - it doesn't reward best those who do the work that helps the most. It rewards best those who are good at taking rewards. That's just how money has always worked. The economy where everything was scarce is gone - with technology now pretty much everything could be made plentiful. The economy hasn't adjusted.
Given that the economic system is today the way it is... as far as "Intellectual Property", I'd wager that the best solution is that society take an interest in these people and support them somehow. In many cases, as in science in general, it is clear that their result is both often incredibly important, and of little direct economic profit to anyone in particular. If society doesn't directly support science, it often simply won't happen. There are however infinite cases where the work is of great social value and little financial reward or social support. As pretty much anyone who has ever set out to "to the right thing" can tell you. Teachers, artists, community leaders, inventors, writers... and anyone at all.
In fact the majority of us have some complaints about having to spend a lot of time talking and dealing and worrying about the money and not enough actually doing useful things. That's just the way it's all set up - it's not about work at all, it's about the supposed shortage of measurement units of work.
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I am sure the irony of this is not lost on them.
RIM did some great stuff in its day, and for that reason was wildly successful. Everybody was trying to copy RIM -- even Android looked to RIM for what to copy (not look to for inspiration for new directions, but simply copy).
But Apple didn't go that way, decided full touch with no keyboard was the way to go for a smart phone. Apple was wildly successful, thus everybody wanted to copy Apple, including Google, which changed Android's direction.
"...stop using our ideas..."
So true, round corners are an innovation of the brilliant mastermind Steve Jobs. Like somebody said, I am not happy he's dead but I'm glad he's gone.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as a patent holder you're required by law to make a good faith effort to license your patent.
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When Jobs made the deal for the Iphone to be carried exclusively by the worst phone carrier on the planet, he created the opportunity for Android to come in and fill the vacuum on the other carriers. Apple loves to limit how their users can use their products; I'm glad in this case it came back to haunt them.
Neglected to source the quote in my haste to post. It's from here: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/10/biographer-steve-jobs-regretted-not-having-cancer-surgery-earlier.ars
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You don't know me, because I am not friends with cowards, thieves or scum like you or Steve Jobs. On that account Bill Gates and Microsoft should also be behind bars, alas, the US is applauding criminals instead of punishing them. Unless you're black, then you get harsh punishments for stealing a candy bar.
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Why on Earth did Apple go with only one carrier for the iPhone for so long? And at that, a terrible one in AT&T?
If it was available on Verizon and other carriers at the time, most people would have never considered anything other than iPhone and Android would have never taken off. To me that was the biggest blunder in tech's recent years.
I'm sure the AT&T deal was very lucrative but it lacked foresight.
He is not mad at Android. Not even close
Jobs surrounded himself by ppl that were intelligent, but extremely loyal to him. There was one time in which Jobs was betrayed, and that was scully. Real bad situation. Personally, I would never have anything to do with a scum bucket like Scully either.
But Jobs felt betrayed for a second time by Eric Schmidt. He appointed him to the board because he thought that he was loyal to him as a friend. And Schmidt was. The problem is that internally inside of google, mobile phone came up as the platform on how to destroy MS. So Schmidt was persuaded to allow that project to go. In turn, Jobs saw another scully, and had been upset ever since.
Steve Jobs: iDead.
Laugh, it's a joke.
Wait, too soon?
that is all.
He was an asshole, a successful asshole. His fanboys made him out to be more than he really was.
Because you know you weren't smart enough to think of these ideas yourself.
Admit it. He is essentially God and you are nothing but a sad little worshipper. Praise Jobs. Kill all infidels.
...I don't have words to explain how hilarious this looks to me right now.
Steve's immunity to the RDF was weakened.
There were so many slab based finger gestured multi-touch phones with almost no buttons before the iphone. Really?
The ability to install applications without going through the carrier buy in was pretty novel too.
And Eric Schmidt was on the apple board, and at the iphone intro so google knew were this was going. If you look at andriod prototypes before the iphone, they are basically blackberrys.
One expects the ideas to be copied eventually, but not verbatim. I think Jobs was in the right to be pissed. They worked on this thing for years. Even microsoft came up with a different UI, which I think is better for everyone than to have companies just cloning.
Didn't most of the nasty comments come after the transplant? Other transplant recipients I've known have to live on prednisone (or something similar). Prednisonemakes me nasty after a few days. I'm no Jobs apologist, but I wonder how much of the vitriol was due to living on something like that?
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So tell me Mr. Jobs are you some kind of a god? where you should be able to shamelessly take others concepts as your own but others should not? Or is it that you are just a super hypocrite?
Mr Jobs, is this what your company is attempting to do with other people's code through the use of blatant software-patents? and other dubious software-patents?
So using software patents to gain control of code that you or your company did not write is cool?
Speaking NOT as a fanboy, but as a gadget fan:
In hindsight, it's easy to say the iPhone is just another smartphone, but at the time it was introduced, it was nothing like any phone that came before it. Yes, its individual features -- touch screen, icons, internal antenna, multitouch UI, etc., all existed -- but until the iPhone came along, they had not been put together quite like this before (To use the hackneyed "car" metaphor: wheels, internal combustion engines and axles predate the automobile, but this doesn't mean the car was nothing new when it came along).
Just look at marketing materials from the major carriers in 2006 -- flip phones and candy bars were the typical (practically only) form factors available before the iPhone was revealed in January 2007. It took very little time for all that to change, but when it comes right down to it -- there was nothing akin to the modern smartphone before the iPhone.
It's pretty silly to suggest today's wide array of multi-touch handheld computers have nothing to do with its design and success.
when you do something similar and better then someone who has a ego maniac like personality. people with that kind of personality throw a temper tantrum not unlike a spoiled 2 year old when that happens because they can't stand people being better then them. anyone who has seen pirates of silicon valley http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0168122/ will know this. unfortunately it's this kind of personality that large corporations foster and that's why popular culture attribute far too much to both Steve Jobs and Bill Gates when Steve Wozniak and Paul Allen had at the very least a equal hand in the case of the latter, or did most of the work in the case of the former actually designing and building the first few lines of computers for their company.
i credit him in having a hand in the creation of the personal computer, i also credit him in having a major hand in killing the same thing because his ego could not stand having something he created out of his control.
The more I hear about Steve Jobs, the more I realize he was a hard guy. But he has a point here. He worked hard to make something innovative and successful and then people simply come along and copy the model. That's not innovation. I would have been angry too.
You sir are a dupe. The Macintosh and Lisa projects were well underway before Jobs Ever heard of the PARC XEROX project. You should google Jeff Raskin who created the mac and learn he was planning it well before 1979. Here's a bit of history:
http://www-sul.stanford.edu/mac/parc.html
the real issue here however is not that but rather, the fact the Schimtt was on apple's board of directors. This is why it is stealing not copying.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
...muttering something about "PARC"....
Steve: "Siri, I want to play Global Thermonuclear War."
Siri: "How about a nice game of chess?"
Seems like the grid icons are actually from palm pilots...
Umm, did you ever see Apple's Newton? Its icon grid preceded Palm by years.
Oops... didn't mean to post that as Anonymous. Wasn't logged in. My goof.
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The total Android market is already bigger, and Droid related activities on are gravy for Google in terms of revenue generation, where the iPhone is Apple's red meat.
Had I been at the table I would said "Find Steve, if that is how you feel about it, you get your Nuclear War"
All Google has to do is hire small legion of programers to build droid apps. Google can afford that. Apple needs to monetize the software as part of their revenue strategy. Google would probably still gain enough from increased analytic information, search related marketing opportunities, and content distributions etc over the long term to make the investment worth while even if they utterly destroy the ability for anyone to charge money for "apps"..
Who is going want an iPhone, where they have to pay $2 for everything or deal with nagware, when they can get a cheaper droid device and a world a free high quality apps?
Apple certainly makes money in content distribution as well but can't exactly respond by making that iDevice exclusive either without cutting of the nose to spite the face.
Essentially by investing a another 5 Million or so Google can start a race to the bottom that will do what the Windows PC did to Apple pre OS X. Its just they don't because for now they think the stutus quo is more profitable for every one.
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I am not going to go into how hypocritical this was... (two words Xerox Parc visit)
But, I will say this. I didn't really much like the man when he was alive.
Although, I loved NeXt, and own a macbook pro (and love it)
I find myself wasting more time on him now that he is dead then when he was alive.
My goal is not to mention his name, his practices, or his 'sainthood' for at least a year or until the next slashdot article pisses me off
"Why join the Navy, when you can be a pirate" - S.Jobs
It's more than a little ironic that both Steves had apopleptic fits when confronted with Google, one because Microsoft couldn't fuck Google search over the way they fucked over everyone else until then and one because Google had the temerity to make its own phone in competition to Apple.
Now, fast forward a couple of years and one Steve is dead and the iPhone is behind Android in the market and the other Steve, while not dead, has messed things up so badly that no one takes him seriously any more.
Is this where the saying, "Killing two birds(Steves) with one stone(Google)" comes from?
All of this technology sort of smacks of ripping off Doug Adams anyway. Go back and read your "Hitchhiker's Guide".
The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.
i like this. good post man.
un burrito me trampeó.
Where can I apply for these jobs?
I think Steve Jobs was very taken in by his own mythos and had gotten used bulldozing the opposition out of the way by way of his power to persuade. I think that the idea of having something he couldn't control was pretty alien to him.
So Jobs went Ballmer over Android. Big deal. Do they have an armchair cemetery in Cupertino too ?
In Soviet Russia, our new overlords are belong to all your base.
"I'm going to fucking kill Google"
"I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."
He had to get these quotes in because he was pissed someone edited these out of his Stanford commencement speech.
And all these companies are not paying royalties and licensing for all of society's and history's knowledge, services, etc. They inherit and use, without paying, millions of ideas - the English language, the written word, math, chemistry, engineering, physics, electric power, the wheel, it's infinite. If this practice of "all ideas from here on are private property, all uses of previous ideas must be paid for" continues for a few more decades, all human action will eventually be either indebting or illegal. Watch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steal_This_Film
Build your own energy sources from scratch. http://otherpower.com/
I guess Jobs never heard that old adage that there is no such thing as a new idea... The Macintosh? Stolen from Xerox PARC. Hypocrisy in action.
the world WILL be a better place without his 'type'. the less of his type the better.
I do own an android phone and I consider its qualtiy very much sub-par. for GOOGLE to have been in charge of this and for it taking this long, its pretty shameful how many rough edges it has. I bought it because it was NOT an apple product but its pretty poor compared to what google should be capable of. the world's best programmers at google, right? we keep hearing that..
but jobs was a supreme asshole and I'm glad he's gone. attitudes like his are harmful whether you like apple or not. some people are just bastards and he was clearly one of them. talented in his own way, but a real SOB to be sure.
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There's a lot of negativity, and not undeserved, in this thread, and there's been a lot of overly-glowing obits for Steve Jobs over the past 3 weeks, but I personally think the truth lies in between.
I think Steve Jobs did have a lot of very good, positive impact on society. I think the Apple II computer, then the Macs, helped push along adoption and innovation. I think a lot of people *did* "borrow" good ideas from Steve/Apple. I think as others point out, Steve didn't fully appreciate the extent to which he "borrowed" good ideas from others. That is in general the nature of innovation. Doing something which other people have done, but doing it slightly differently, hopefully better.
I think Steve did a great thing by pushing the music, movie, and TV industries to making legal downloads available. Without iTunes Music Store, there may well not be an Amazon MP3 store, Google Music, Ubuntu One and many others, or perhaps not as soon.
Steve Jobs did make innovations which improved the "State of the Art" in computing, and make it accessible to just about everyone, which helped drive the industry as a whole.
In the end, I can neither completely hate nor completely love Steve Jobs - there are things about the man I really do admire, and things I think were much less admirable, but on balance, I think the world is really better off for Steve Jobs's life in it.
If so, there's nothing similar between samsung and apple either. Geez.
From the BBC article...
He is also quoted as saying: "I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong."
Now someone just needs to lend that $40 billion to right this wrong - the profiteering technology hindering pillocks
I wonder how the world now would be if old time mathematitions, engineers, scientists etc, had their findings and applied knowledge found by others submited to this steve jobs egomaniac arrogant greedy views. He probably couldn't even own glasses to read.
Its the effects of excess capitalistic influence in human knowledge. Something that cannot be monopolised. Or held back. If achieved, mankind as we know it will react agaisnt these forces, and there's signs present already, reactions and impacts already done. We all know it.
Apparently now that he's dead the reality distortion field is finally down.
But... the future refused to change.
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O RLY? I didn't actually know about it until someone posted it earlier in this article, but the LG Prada came out shortly before the iPhone and they look very similar. In fact LG accused Apple of copying their phone since they revealed it as part of a design competition (and won) several months prior to the announcement of the iPhone.
So it seems to me either that Apple stole the idea and polished it up, or as has often the case in history, technology was headed in a certain direction and several people came up with similar ideas at the same time, and Apple just made the most popular implementation of that idea.
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what this conversation was about...
http://gizmodo.com/5503004/steve-jobs-and-eric-schmidt-spotted-together-again-photos
The body shape of that LG Prada looks astonishingly like a Samsung Galaxy SII, which Apple has gotten banned in Holland and is trying to get banned elsewhere.
This blows my mind. Did Apple pay off the judges or something?
It seems Android destroyed you first :-P
Suck it up Apple fanboys.. HE'S DEAD.
Strange coming from a man who built a company off repackaging the ideas of others.
What do I know, I'm just an idiot, right?
The whole concept of piracy, theft, copyrights, trademarks. All dreamed up by the elite of world to enslave their customers.
Google was already winning with Android, they didn't need the war. Plus, they were dealing with the threat from Facebook, which resulted in the "bet the company" commitment to Google Plus. When Jobs was threatening "thermonuclear war", Google's focus on their primary problem had already moved past Apple's once trending-toward-absolute dominance in the mobile OS marketplace, which they were dealing with handily, to the next threat.
The iPhone was a revolutionary product nobody was doing anything close when you add up all the features. Yes it took the same common sense design approach used on Mac's. All you haters have to go out and get laid more. And stopping touching your Android phones like that they not really androids.
Everybody knows that Schmidt was on Apple's Board of Directors while the iPhone was being developed and Google all of a sudden decides it is going to create a mobile OS. Google isn't an OS company.
rectangles, rectangles with rounded corners, icons, buttons, touch screens?
What else? Air, water, trees ...?
Running with Linux for over 20 years!
Jobs didn't do any of those things. Apple did those things. I know there is a tendancy in the USA to childishly push the myth of the lone hero where it doesn't belong but if it was only Jobs attempting to do all of those things alone it's unlikely we'd have heard of him.
Steve Jobs was a big part of all of those things but it was the work of a lot of people to produce any of it. Why can't people be happy with him being the man who ran Apple well instead of pretending he was a demigod that did it all himself?
P.S. -- He and Gates were not called "The Pirates of Silicone Valley" for no reason....
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and 'Apple' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer This Steve sounds even more ridiculous than the Balmer one, he only hid it better for the public. Dangerous man.
Google users be they on Android or when you use gmail, google search etc... are not seen by Google as their customers. You are seen by Google as their product which they sell the advertisers. The "free" services they provide you is like feed to a cattle which is why Eric Schmitt has so little respect for privacy of users of google services. If you are fine with being viewed as cattle and fine with having to upgrade your handset to get the latest release let alone a specific feature then stick with Android if you want.
For all of the "faults" that some of you would see concerning Apple's behaviour, they are a customer/consumer focused company. The average consumer is who they see to be their customer and they are interested in selling products and services to those customers.
Despite all of the grousing about siri being only an iPhone 4S feature, look at the comparison of the iPhone 3GS getting almost all of the features of iOS 5 despite having been released over two years ago originally and iOS 5 even brought features from iOS 4 that were previously iPhone 4 exclusive to the 3GS like custom alert tones. Given that they rolled out that feature on the 3GS, I would guess that iOS 6 will bring Siri to the iPhone 4 when the iPhone 5 comes out.
Show me a single Android handset that was released even 6 months ago that is user upgradable to the latest Android version without any rooting or other hacks regardless of your carrier.
Android handsets are cheap and disposable and because of this, they want you to continue buying new versions and that is why they will not offer updates to firmware for anything but the latest model (if even that). This all stems back to the fact that they don't see you as their customer. They see you as a channel for advertising revenue.
Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
This is stupid its like Ford saying I want to nuke Chevy because Chevy makes cars too. Competition spurs innovation and customers benefit. iPhone is not only cellphone to do what it does or even have a similar look and feel, it one competitor in market called Smartphones. Also at blame is patent office for giving patents on generic ideas, patents should be for a specific things and have short duration.
Cell phones have been constantly evolving since they first hit the market and have created a HUGE marketplace that attracted many companies including Apple. That has benefited the economy and created jobs. Apple/Steve Jobs wants to stifle that free market composition. Jobs should remember how he screwed Next computer by trying to limit what companies would write software for it. Same type of BS.
I used a Windows CE device for years, even HTC Windows CE phones. Then along came the iPhone. It was a RADICAL change. The layout of the icons. The swiping with multiple fingers for pinching/zooming.
Samsung in 2007 had the following phones...
http://asia.cnet.com/samsung-adds-seven-new-phones-to-its-2007-lineup-61972363.htm
NOW I KNOW THIS IS HARD TO ACCEPT, BUT ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE WHY STEVE JOBS CLAIMS SAMSUNG COPIED THE IPHONE?
And here's one for real fanboys to chew on... Android sucks and is doomed.
I know you hate Apple and you HATE the control (which means Apple's App Store is SUCCESSFUL and Android market is about to FAIL) but the reality Apple have come up with a fantastic product. I never used Mac OS. In fact, I always used Windows. But I love the iPad. I love the iPhone. My kids love their iPods. They are a gamechanger, Nintendo and Sony fear Apple now. The iPod is the future of handheld gaming. Nintendo know this and are very scared...
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/03/theres-no-doubt-anymore-apple-has-spooked-nintendo/
Developers are starting to walk away from Android, I read an article recently interviewing a developer who said it is a complete waste of time trying to get games to work well on so many different devices running Android at different processor speeds...
http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1012548-android-developers-are-leaving-to-ios/
I was thinking about being Steve jobs for Halloween. Now I know how to perfect the getup. I'll put on zombie makeup and be...
Zombie Steve Jobs: Back from the dead to destroy Android!
I don't always use unix-like operating systems; but when I do, I prefer FreeBSD.
"They like us to feel guilty — to think that piracy is wrong and immoral. Economically, it's not necessarily true, but it resonates with the public."
They like us to feel guilty - to think that people should be disposed of once they have exceeded their useful life and become a burden to society is wrong and immoral. Economically, it's not necessarily true, but it resonates with the public.
I'm more astounded by this:
"I've asked [Jobs why he didn't get an operation then] and he said, "I didn't want my body to be opened...I didn't want to be violated in that way," Isaacson recalls.
Which means that the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field ultimately claimed the life of it's creator.
There's another gem hidden in your quote (emphasis mine). It's evident that he felt the very same way about his own body that he feels about his products. So ultimately, it was his own walled garden that killed him, not just the RDF.
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"Good artists copy; great artists steal."
That's really a quote from Picasso, mangled by Jobs.
Jobs was feeling vindictive about Google because of the history of having Schmidt in the Apple board-room from 2006-2009. He may have had some reason to feel betrayed if he knew nothing about the first Google phone until the iPhone was quite advanced, however his overreaction made Apple blind to the hypocrisy of their position. Just to cite one small example, they blatantly stole notification ideas from Google (notifications in iOS were pitiful and really annoying till iOS 5), and yet they're complaining about Android devices having a similar grid of icons etc. It really is laughable given the number of ideas iOS has borrowed from elsewhere.
Instead of whining about others copying them, they should just continue to produce the best phones in the industry, and let Android fight over the bottom of the market. I'd expect to see Tim Cook normalise relations with Samsung etc in due course, as frankly they don't have much of a case, and it's really embarrassing to see them squabbling with the people who supply much of their hardware. It'd be a good way to step out of the shadow of Jobs and show they are confident about the future.
Would've made for a more interesting article.
Jesus christ ok...
I'm gonna come a lil undone here... first... WOW, what a fucking asshole!
APPLE DID NOT INVENT ONE SINGLE THING THAT WAS EVER POPULAR!!!
Now, an intelligent person will read the TWO statements in that line, instead of
misreading ONE statement in that line.
1) Apple never invented anything in house, that people gave a rats ass about
2) Anything that people gave a rats ass about... Apple did not invent
Period... end of discussion.
And quit using that one fucking picture of him... christ he was on this planet
for 56 years, use another fucking picture you muther fucking Apple fanboi gimps!!!
Seriously? This is how you choose to represent yourself? Take your homophobic neanderthal comments, shove em, and go find some place else to troll, I hear repubs love people like you.
I tell you what though, Apple make lovely packaging!
to Don't be Stevil.
But didn't he 'steal' the idea for the iPhone from Star Trek or 2001?
I'm sorry Steve, I can't allow you to do that [HAL voice].
Jobs in his early days had nothing against copying and even stealing ideas. That was when he was "an up and comer." But once he got to the top of his hill, he felt he had to defend it. But the idea of going "thermonuclear" on Android phones? That pretty much says all we need to know about his personality. And I don't care who you are or what you might think it means. In just about any context, "thermonuclear" pretty much means massive death and destruction on a global scale. This is the opposite of being a thinking and considerate person.
As with so many others, I am glad we do not have to deal with Jobs' crap any longer. If Apple will fail without him, so be it. Jobs was a problem for the tech industry in general. The overly aggressive handling of the cases against iThing competitors sours just about everything it touches from the legal/courts system to the end users who want an alternative to Apple's over-priced iThings.
I mean, I guess if Android stole their whole operating system, it's fair for Jobs to steal a feature here and there...
"I don't want your money. If you offer me $5 billion, I won't want it. I've got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that's all I want."
Of course it is also about money for him. The reason that Apple copycats CAN exist was because Apple products cost much more than the knock-offs.
In a far off, seldom visited corner of my companies campus is a wall of patents granted over the years. A few weeks ago I found myself browsing them and noticed one of them was for a proximity sensor on a phone. In this case it was designed to automatically switch the phone from normal mode to speaker phone depending on proximity but it doesn't take a genius to see other uses for this. It was granted in 1998. Apple "steals" from other companies just as much as they claim people steal from them.
Not to mention the Knight-Ridder tablet from 17 years ago. Watch the Youtube:
It even has the rounded corner rectangular shape!
I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on the Internet. Blog
Daniel Plainview:
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I always felt His Steveness was one of the central influences in developing this character.
I totally understand the position of not wanting to be opened up. I was 37 years old before a scalpel ever touched my body. I never had a broken bone, never hospitalized , rarely ever sick. Its a frightening proposition for some to be CUT open.
Good-bye
took to suing everyone they could that dared to try building a plane, resulting in the US Army Air Corps having to use european planes in WWI.
Stop rehashing the same myth over and over. Jobs paid Xerox PARC $1M in pre-IPO Apple stock for the right to look over their technology.
"So Jobs proposed a deal: he would allow Xerox to buy a hundred thousand shares of his company for a million dollars—its highly anticipated I.P.O. was just a year away—if parc would “open its kimono.” A lot of haggling ensued. Jobs was the fox, after all, and parc was the henhouse. What would he be allowed to see? What wouldn’t he be allowed to see? Some at parc thought that the whole idea was lunacy, but, in the end, Xerox went ahead with it."
Liquid water is wet!
It was Apple's walled garden and strict control over iOS that led to Android. Google came to the conclusion that at any time they could get locked out of the biggest smart phone OS. They had no choice but to enter the market to guarantee their future survival.
To understand why Jobs was pissed, just look at the smartphones that existed before the iPhone. A Blackberry has very little in common with an iPhone (you navigated by trackball!). That was the state of the art at the time. Then you get the iPhone, and soon after you get Android, which is almost indistinguishable from the iPhone (except, perhaps, not as polished). It is essentially a knock-off product.
Sure, you can say that people should learn from each other, but Google didn't make Android their own product. They didn't take it and improve on it. They didn't take it and add some of it's features to an existing product. They just took it.
It's safe to take a product that works and copy it. It's risky to develop something new. So Google didn't take any risks with Android. That may make sense with a physical product, but with ideas, that is a truly useless thing. Nothing of value was gained. All they did was undermine Apple.
Seriously. Yeah, it's a phone, yeah it does things other phones do. If you're claiming that nothing was stolen, you're blind. Yes, it's how it goes. Yes, he should have gotten over it. But a grid of icons was never discussed (except by you folks.) The interface - the interface - the interface.
Gestures, Did your old touch screen work like this? Does anything work like Minority Report? All just nonsense responses. They stole from Apple. It's obvious to a child. Does it matter? That's a different question.
And I'll buy it for my Android-based Kindle tablet as soon as it comes in.
karma ?
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/16/110516fa_fact_gladwell
Well, not wrong so much as wrong implication. You seem to think becasue the started a lawsuit they actual had a case or would win; Also it had more to do with Xerox trying to be technically correct in saying that the never said Apple could SELL it... which was just legal crappery.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
...at the least the former has some well-tested logic behind it. Written on a fine macbook.
I can't stop laughing at "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."
As so many others have pointed out above, BSD is free. There is no GPL software in OS-X, only BSD licensed software. Apple couldn't legally use GPL code in its products (given that all its software is proprietary) and doesn't. And its use of BSD goes back to NEXTSTEP, when it used a version of BSD that wasn't free. As for the various NEXTSTEP derived UIs, that's what Apple did put on top of BSD, making it totally different. It's only recently that GNUSTEP has been mature enough to be one of the options on FOSS, and GNUSTEP owes its roots to NEXT.
Your point is even worse wrt Microsoft, since NT wasn't an Unix derivative at all, but rather a VMS derivative. NT was completely a home grown OS. As for who gets the credit, actually companies do - MS and Apple, it would indeed be inaccurate to credit either Gates or Jobs. Does Ballmer get credit for Windows 7 or Windows 8?
Which means that the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field ultimately claimed the life of it's creator.
That's the problem with Reality Distortion Fields; they don't distort reality, just your perception of it. Reality itself doesn't give a shit what you think.
This is a lesson all of our climate/economic/etc. denialist folks in Congress will one day learn as well. Sadly, many only only learn the hard way (and sometimes not even then).
Nobody mentioned him. He's the first person I saw to demo the multi-touch gestures that are now so familiar to everyone. He did this at the TED conference in 2007, almost a full year before the iPhone was announced. I love Steve Jobs' idealism, but his intellectual honesty is not too admirable.
But they were usually modded down quickly by Apple fanboys. Bill Gates is often evil figure in computing but it was a blessing that EVERYONE else, including Steve Jobs, screwed up completely and we our home computers became machines based on cloned hardware and even cloned software. Or what do you think Apples response would have been to either Compaq or DrDos? Oh wait we KNOW. Clone a Mac and get sued. Luckily IBM was asleep at the wheel and Compaq cloned the IBM and we all bought IBM compatibles at a fraction of the price. And because they were clones, they weren't locked down and some drunk Fin wrote an OS and the rest is history and the future.
None of this would have happened if Apple had won the race. Or if IBM had won the race. Or commodore or any of the others. Don't be fooled by the "nice" image of Apple or the "open" base of OSX. That happened because they were to small. Want to see what PC's would have looked like if Apple had produced them? Buy an iPhone. Expensive option is the only option and totally closed down.
Real history doesn't have heroes. If we are lucky it is a tale of the lesser of two evils having the upperhand. In this case it was Bill Gates. Who won't be remembered as a great man but just as not as totally evil if the people he defeated had won. It is sorta like how the world is better of for America having dominated for the last half century. Oh, not because the Americans are so nice but the world would have been a lot worse under Nazi/Japanese/British/USSR rule.
But hey, the punters who want their shinies got to believe that their guru is a hero else they might have to ask themselves why very expensive phones with a gigantic profit margin can't be produced in America or at least without near slave labor. Dennis Ritchie? Richard Stallman? Not sexy enough, to difficult with him asking troublesome questions.
So, the fanboys turn Jobs into a man he never was and put their fingers in their ears whenever someone dares to ask why he is considered such a hero.
Cue mod down by a fanboy.
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Ok, so there is news here how? This is how business works.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Helps if you put the entire quote. I expect such soundbites from Fox, not Slashdot.
He wasn't referring to stealing 'tech', but rather concepts that inspire. His complaint about Android is obvious given Schmidt's inside scoop on iOS while he was still involved in Apple. Shortly after he left, the current vision of Android was born and it was strikingly similar to iOS. Of course everyone will say it was 'obvious', yet it changed the face of the smartphone market. Claim obviousness all you want. Reality in this case speaks differently. To claim Google didn't borrow liberally from iOS is to be in total denial.
Aside from the disagreement that IP can be *stolen* by copying in the first place, since Xerox was in effect giving the ideas and technology away, how could it be stolen in the first place?
---- Booth was a patriot ----
He lived just two years short of the median life span for someone that has this kind of tumor in its earliest stages. I am not a doctor but according the wackypedia here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islet_cell_carcinoma the median life span for a patient with localized Islet Cell Carcinoma is 11 years.
Sure Steve Jobs was an arrogant egomaniac. Sure he delayed some conventional treatment that might have extended his life. But saying "Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field ultimately claimed the life of it's creator." should read "Steve Jobs big ego cost him a couple of extra years of life" which takes the wind out of your douche filled sails.
Give the guy credit for coping to it in this autobiography and not holding his regrets to his grave.
I know if I get cancer I'm doing exactly what the doctor tells me, but that's also probably why I'm not the head of a multi-billion dollar company either.
The veneer of certainty that conventional doctors present can certainly comforting, but is - in its own way - a kind of reality distortion field.
Be careful about doing exactly what any single doctor tells you - research, be informed, get 2nd opinions, all that time consuming stuff.
For example, I've read about thyroid issues where the plan is to nuke it (literally, with radioactive iodine) to kill off the thyroid tissue. I would save that for like Plan Q, maybe - after plan A, B, C etc... didn't work out.
(if I can believe what they wrote about Jobs delaying treatment, that is simply regrettable wishful thinking - then again, I didn't know that a subset of pancreatic cancer was actually survivable - I thought it was pretty much a fatal, quick and unpleasant end).
Anyway, thankfully I haven't had to deal with cancer issues in my family... but I would research the hell out anything that did turn up.
What if Android destroyed Jobs?
single-handedly bring the battle against the Judeo-Capitalist at Google, and ultimately lost his life.
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I rarely post on /. and I am not an apple user, but all this 'Jobs was an asshole' ranting on slashdot was so disgusting that I decided to post. I distinctly remember how smart phones and PDAs were before iphone, having bought Palms and ipaqs and blackberrys. They simply sucked. Especially the Windows mobile was unusable. And I remember what I wished for. I just wished for a decent browser, a large touch screen, and no silly keyboard. And yes, I was thinking of GPS as well. Apple, just one fine day, delivered it. It was just as if my wishlist came true. I wanted to buy an iPhone but was too poor, so waited till 3GS. Of course, now I have an android phone because I lost the 3GS and my Captivate is quite good.
So to all the /. techie crowd who think of the ideas as independent and look for sources, I would just like to ask this. So then why the hell wasn't any phone like the iPhone before iPhone? The technology and the concepts were all there. But year after year, from Nokia to Samsung to RIM and Motorola, companies were releasing terrible 'smart' phones and everybody was hating them (unless you couldn't just think better). To give credit where it is due, Steve just addressed those pain points with the iPhones. So his contribution *was* original. Sure he didn't invent any of the technologies or concepts. He doesn't claim either. The application, the business opportunity and the solving of a bunch of usability problems, was what he did.
All jokes aside, it *was* Apple that first decided to put all these great ideas into their iPhone design. While it's true that, bits and pieces of this multi-touch device have been seen around in past years, Android copied almost every great feature the iPhone had to offer!
But then.... Apple did something I didn't expect... They copied the notification drop-down and server-based voice-to-text from Google! I never thought Apple would do to others what they don't want done to them.
#1 When something is stolen, someone is deprived of it.
#2 Piracy involves kidnapping and murder.
#3 Intellectual Property laws are grouped into four categories, copyright, patent, trademark, and trade secret. "Ideas" are not covered.
#4 Computers are designed to be programmed to do all sorts of different things.
#5 Apple won its case with Xerox.
#6 Microsoft won its case with Apple.
By none of these definitions did Google, Microsoft, or Apple steal. The problem exists when selfish people like Steve Jobs, Steve Ballmer, Paul Allen, Bill Gates, and Nathan Myhrvold think that they have the right to control my thoughts. They are willing to hire armies of lawyers to twist the law and deprive the public of constitutionally guaranteed rights. In that respect, they are truly the enemy of free software and freedom of thought.
I read through the comments below, and one thing I found funny: /. normally goes ballistic when the RIAA calls copyright infringement 'stealing', but nobody seems to have problems Jobs calling Android copying 'his' ideas 'stealing'.
If it is copying style and design elements, it would be trade dress (trademark) infringement, or patent infringement if they used techniques that Apple had patented. It isn't plagiarism, because that is a failure to attribute other people's writings, and there is no copyright involved. Copying ideas seems to be fair game if it isn't covered under any other category.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
What are you, like 15?
Oh shut up Jobs. "I'm going thermo-mother-fucking nuclear on your asses". Dies already. ...wait...whoops.
most of the things that companies accuse another of stealing seems like just a logical next step in whatever technology you name.
Can't two people who work in the same field come up with the same kind of ideas? Anyway I think its more about the promises that companies make to shareholders and investors. If Apple makes a commitment to sell 10 million iPhone4s but they only sell 8 million
because some other company comes out with phone that is only slightly similar well then investors and manufactures will invest less in Apple. Maybe when the Iphone 5 comes out they can only get manufactures to produce 8 million and maybe cell phone companies will only by 7 million of those iPhone 5's. It seems like its more about how much market share Apple has and the promises they make to shareholders that they will sell x amount of widgets and make x amount of dollars off of said widgets.
Great. Now look what you've done.
You've proved that Steve Jobs is Giygas.
I've been reading Slashdot for a very long time, but never bothered creating a user account. It has been my favorite place to come for technology, science, and just plain geeky news. I have found comments on here to be reasonable, intelligent, and funny, especially compared to the drivel posted on a lot of other news sites. However, the reactions to Steve Jobs' death have really bothered me. I understand a large portion of the Slashdot community supports open source software. Heck, I've always run Linux on my servers and admit to teasing people in the past about running IIS on their Windows boxes instead of Apache. I love open source software and think it's an incredible model that speaks to the best of people. However, demanding that anything that is closed-source is evil and imprisoning is no worse than those people who say open source is theft or anarchy. But that's not even the point. The point is that we are talking about the death of a human being, and one who by any measure had a large impact on the world, particularly in the area of technology. His products are purchased and enjoyed by millions upon millions of people. If you hate his products and what they stand for, DON'T BUY THEM. I have taken this stand with Microsoft. I've never bought a Microsoft product, and have advised people to not buy them. But on the day that Bill Gates passes away, I will mourn with the rest of the world. Not because I liked his products, but because I recognize the impact he's had on the world (some good, some bad), and respect the fact that he accomplished a great deal in his life. Will Slashdot be filled with the same vitriol on the day Gates dies, I wonder? In the old days, Slashdot was very anti-Microsoft (just look at the icon of Bill Gates the cyborg). It has swung to be very anti-Apple mostly, I believe, because there are some people who will automatically hate anything that is "popular" because it makes them feel superior.
I realize that this post will likely not be read by many people, particularly since this news item is now over 6 hours old. However, it has helped me make my peace with Slashdot. I had been meaning to write something after the flurry of posts on the actual day of Steve Jobs' death, and reading the following article at TUAW pushed me over the edge (in a good way):
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/10/11/os-x-and-ios-are-not-jails/
"Great men are almost always bad men."
yes, Apple copied lots of concepts from other products. But Android hasn't just copied some concepts from the iPhone: it is an almost high-fidelity copy of the iPhone. it is confusingly similar.
icons in a grid, roundrect icons, tapping... you could do all of this without making a copy of it. Microsoft just did it.
But there is one area where iPhone is far ahead of Android. I hope Apple patented this method of planned obsolescence.
Really? How stupid can a query be
Android being an OS can hardly get a cracked screen.
How about trying "ios cracked screen" vs. "android cracked screen" and lets be totally surprised about the result
... as a geek (the management kind), he lacks the upper body strength to shift that sucker.
That is the Question! Evidence based logical analysis please...
HTC product .vs. Apple product:
Phone4Phone
FormFactor = FormFactor
Touchscreen =Touchscreen UI
MultipleGestures4MultiTouch
onscreenKeyboard4onscreenKeyboard
Black2Black
chime in with your comparision
See?
karma is a bitch?
This is how I feel about it.
It's new!
No it isn't... it's just the same thing, but on a phone... a computer that's small and also a phone. There's nothing new! Natural progression.
strange how life plays
Actually it was Pablo Picasso who said "Good artists copy; great artists steal."
My wife had breast cancer. They saw something then had an MRI the next day. She was in surgery less than a week after they first suspected something. It was stage 1. They removed it before it was able to spread, and she didn't have to do radiation or chemotherapy. If we had waited long enough to get second opinions, or research it, that may not have been the case. Steve's cancer may well have been a stage 1 when he started.. and a stage 4 (incurable) when he finally opted for the surgery. Mind you, my wife is big into homoeopathic medicine, but she didn't want to take the chance. The thought of surgery was frightening and maybe that is part of what Steve had to deal with... but you have to make those decisions, and with cancer very often you won't have time to be truly informed or get second, and third opinions. If you want to live that is.
once more into the breach
Indeed, I had to pull up a list of 'droid manufacturers and start iterating through them before I finally found an actual result that indicated some droid do in fact have cracked screens:
HTC vs Apple cracked screens
It's a neat comparison, android vs iphone, except that google has no control over the quality of the screens used. It's like searching for windows cracked screen. The OS has no impact on the glass. However, that glass was used instead of something else, that lies entirely at the feet of Steve Jobs, who insisted on it.
I completely misread the title at first. Like someone wanted to hire people who can creatively destroy robots.
I am not devoid of humor.
Jobs stole the Notification Center now on iOS 5 from Android...
OMG Jobs was such a genius!!! Yes and my ass is a candy dispenser...
Real scum these days.
...In doing so it was a just reward. Unfortunately he didn't take Apple with him when he died...
It may have been in secrecy but it wasn't developed in a vacuum.
*Dogma*, possibly. But not religion. Even Dogma is hard to ascribe to *atheism*.
And no, saying "your religion is a load of hokum" is not anti-religion: every single religion does it to all the others.
Looks like Jobs' passing has as much grieving time as an old OS... So long Steve and thanks for all the patent trolling attacks.