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Iran Tried and Failed To Launch a Monkey Into Space
Medevilae writes with a recent report from PopSci's dedicated 'space monkey' news feed that "When Iran indefinitely suspended its plans to launch a monkey into space earlier this month, it was actually because they had already tried and failed. Iranian Deputy Science Minister Mohammad Mehdinejad-Nouri told state media that the Kavoshgar-5 rocket carrying a capsule with a live monkey launched during Shahrivar, which is the Iranian month spanning August 23 to September 22, but the launch was not publicized because it did not accomplish all of its mission objectives. Assuming one of the objectives was to safely carry the monkey to space and back, things don't sound good for the monkey."
They failed to launch a monkey?
Does that mean Ahmadinejad is still on Earth?
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
How many countries just rely on someone else to do the space thing for them?
I can't wait to eat that (now toasted) monkey!
The key question is, what sort of monkey? :) On the serious side, it may indicate their current launch capacity, There's a big difference between a capuchin and a chimp. Yes I know a chimp is an ape, but in common usage they're frequently referred to as a monkey.
I hope it wasn't Michael Nesmith. He was my favorite.
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and yet, 'The West' (I'm a westerner) fears Iran can strike Europe and the US with nukes?
LOL!
Does this mean the folks over at ThinkGeek are deep in mourning???
Maybe one of those random Shakespeare monkeys should have engaged the probability engine. Then things would have been "42"...
and why don't they dedicate 5 pages on wired for the death of this monkey? :P
i believe that this monkey contributed more to mankind than mr Jobs
RIP dear monkey..
Can I kiss the monkey? ACK! Hairball!
would Iran launch their president into space?
I guess they forgot to put bananas in the capsule
Where'd the monkey take his vaction? All over Tehran!
What color were the monkey's eyes? Blue. One blew north, the other blew south....
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There are some people that if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.
Take your prejudice elsewhere AC troll. While it may possibly be a shit-hole, it has nothing to do with their state religion.
Places with a "state religion" (which particular religion doesn't matter) are, by definition, shit holes.
I would think their brand of their religion, given that it is a theocracy, has a good bit of bearing on their conditions.
Except for ending slavery, the Nazis, communism, & securing American independence, war has never solved anything.
I think (or hope) calling that guy a monkey has more to do with his behaviour, rather than his religion or race
Who's the Jerk who sold a bunch of monkeys to Iran ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification
I always hope every country reach their objectives when it comes to space exploration, and Iran is no exception. I hope their next missions will be more successful.
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I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Even more likely, that he is a politician.
There is no right to feel safe thru security vaudeville at the expense of everyone's freedom, privacy and tax money.
They may be overlapping sets. However just because all dogs have 4 legs, doesn't mean that all animals with 4 legs are dogs.
Where, by default, you get baptized as Luthern!
That includes one nation under god.
You've just called the UK a shithole. Thanks.
Also, Canada, Costa Rica, Liechtenstein, Malta, Monaco, Greece, Denmark, Iceland, Norway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion
Furthermore, although I do disagree with state religion, it's not all that defines a country. I'm certain Iran has some areas of outstanding natural beauty, magnificent architecture, foot, culture etc.
Don't you start in with all your facts and shit.
Remember.
No one is allowed to judge anyone else.
You shall from this moment on assume all people / countries / religions / companies are equal.
They are not "Created" equal. They ARE equal.
Judgement based on facts is unfair.
Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
UK is a shithole because you limey derps prosecute victims of crimes for acts of self-defense and let the perpetrators sue.
Hopefully there wasn't any monkey business on the pad before the launch, causing the failure...
I'm not so sure some of the smug remarks are justified.
The Iranian dude can always snicker about the 'monkeys' on the Challenger and Columbia that didn't quite make it back.
By definition? Not necessarily, Scotland, Italy, Finland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Iceland, Norway all have state religions(amongst others). While some may argue that some of those countries are shitholes, very few people would argue that they all are.
OK, I hold an Iranian passport and have been in and out of Iran many times.
People in Iran do not like Ahmadinejad. One of the many insults is to call him a monkey because he is a half-wit. Same as how George Bush got the monkey insults.
Nothing to do with race. Just that he's a simple fool in charge of an entire country.
Well, nowhere's perfect. You yank derps execute innocent people.
Although the in the most recent UK case of a homeowner killing an intruder, the homeowner was released without charge.
I'm pretty sure we spent most of 8 years calling our own (US) president a monkey in political banter.
I do in fact have a mental image of his ranting being like a crazy monkey.
OK, accepted.
I was going to say that "monkey" isn't a common insult doled out at white idiots. But then I remembered Steve Bell's cartoon version of George Bush.
Places with a "state religion" (which particular religion doesn't matter) are, by definition, shit holes.
Most places actually have a state religion, including some that I'd question if you actually intended to call them shit holes. I'll leave the naming of them to the other replies in this thread. Some even have several state religions going at once. American-style separation of Church and State is, relatively speaking, actually quite an unusual state of affairs.
That said, many of these places have both a state religion and religious freedom. These are not incompatible.
I'm certain Iran has some areas of outstanding natural beauty, magnificent architecture, foot, culture etc
Foot?
Yes, but usually in Texas or some other shit hole.
No sooner do I get over one, then you put a better one right next to me. Bastards.
Just wondering if some embedded controller somewhere had been hacked. It seems the Iranian space program would be an obvious target for some unfriendly foreign government to try to cripple. Even if (when?) the Iranians get the bomb they'll need some means of delivering it.
I would imagine it'll be too big to send via diplomatic pouch and their air force is completely outclassed by their main adversaries in the region (Israel and Saudi Arabia). (I don't know if those countries air forces could knock down a low-flying cruise missile, I'd think the cities and oil installations on the gulf might be indefensible). Despite having a few subs, I'd imagine the U.S. Navy tracks them very closely, still a short range attack by mini-subs or suicide speedboat might be possible.
So that leaves space. With their "military" space program being watched very carefully, it appears there will be some sort of ABM system covering U.S. Allies and Europe before they have an intermediate range missile capable of delivering a nuke. That's where their "civilian" program could conceivably come into play. A nuke placed IN ORBIT could go the "long way around" thus avoiding the theater defenses currently being built. Of course the U.S. has anti-sat weapons but they may not cover every approach especially if the weapon deorbits before completing even one revolution. (And it's pretty clear that the U.S. doesnt have the specially equipped F-15 fighters all over the world to cover its allies.).
Finally, who's to say that the U.S. will even know what to shoot down? The Iranians may say they've just launched a monkey into space only to reveal later (maybe MUCH later) that the capsule carrying the presumably now-dead monkey actually has a nuke instead. Even if the U.S. decided to shoot on sight any Iranian "satellite" that started acting funny over the U.S. mainland, it could be too late. An EMP blast before the ASAT weapon gets to it could prove pretty devastating.
That, by the way, is why the Outer Space treaty was put into place; having nukes in orbit was far too destabilizing and would have led to the world being just seconds away from WWIII (instead of the current approximately 30 minutes). Of course if the Iranians are going to ignore the non-proliferation treaty, who's to say they'll honor any others?
So there's a real incentive to deny the Iranians access to orbit. Anybody writing a James Bond script about this?
Is that the monkey came back to earth super intelligent.
I for one, welcome our furry sapiens overlord!
According to Space Nutters, a space program brings all kinds of progress and benefits to a society. Maybe they'll move to Iran now?
Stay in California, you douche-bag liberal hipster.
That's right. I hyphenated douche-bag.
"While it may possibly be a shit-hole, it has nothing to do with their state religion"
This sounds even more stupid the more I read it. Whoosh.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Yes. See the entire US isn't a shithole. The shithole part of the US is over there [/waves hand]. I'm over here [/waves other hand] where it's all better and we are enlightened*. But really when you think about it [/flails arms] the whole world is a shithole compared to us, and that's because we had George. George was a great man. He made people happy. George saved the world, then he died and the world turned back to a shithole. George also was an awesome narrator for Thomas the Tank Engine.
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* ok, not really [/hangs head] I live in California, where we are on the bullet train to socialism and bankruptcy as fast as we can go.
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Agreed. GP should have said it has nothing to do with their particular state religion.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
I'd rather they like Ahmadinejad than the Supreme Leader. Ahmadinejad is a moderate compared to that guy.
With the first link, the chain is forged.
Also, they both have big ears, low hairlines, and in Ahmadinejad's case, tends to be pretty excitable.
I'm still waiting for him to throw poo at the UN.
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Because it's a macho thing to "ignore/cover-up/fake sensor data". With a monkey you can "sorta pretend it is really an astronaut", it makes people get just a tad more serious if someone signs off and then it still goes wrong. If you think someone was playing games you simply say "Show me the monkey!" Bonus Points if it listens to Peter Gabriel on the way up.
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Canada has a state religion? That conflicts with the following map (where gray represents "no state religion") as well as the very content of the page you linked to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_state_religions.svg
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
You apparently lack comprehension skills. Let me spell it out for you, a nation may be a shit-hole without it being caused by said nation having a state religion. I know a number of nations that are shit holes without having declared a state religion, I know a number of shit holes with a state religion. There is some overlap, but no correlation.
Yes, I'm pretty sure everybody in Iran hates that guy. Leaders with zero support tend to stay in power for a long time, I don't know how they do it but it happens. I guess even Ghadaffi had more supporters than this Iranian guy.
In general, I don't like to judge world leaders based on whoever the US says is bad or the educated minority base of these third world countries, which most likely have studied/lived in the "West" and also speak English. Those countries sometimes deserve leaders like that since they have very different societies and the same rule that applies to us, barely applies to them. Nobody gives a crap about Sarkozy, Berlusconi and Zapatero, all of them European leaders with pretty bad ratings, but hey, they are allies.
Sounds like you've been a bit of a monkey!
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If I'm making the Ahmadinejad/monkey jokes, it's not racist. It's an intentional personal insult. I trust that the overwhelming majority Iranian people want to live peaceful lives and prosper in their land. It's the religous types and the government that whip up a frenzy to kill and dominate. I'm assuming. If I'm wrong, that will become clear soon enough.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Maybe he's confusing it with being part of the British Monarchy? But I guess just because the Queen is the head of religion in the UK doesn't make her the head of religion in Canada - only the head of state.
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Canada has a state religion?
Yes. The main sacramental objects are beer, sticks, a hard rubber disc, and beer.
Some mornings it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints to get out of bed.
I stand corrected :-P
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
With burkhas that's the only fetish you have left.
I support the Slashcott and will not be reading or commenting from 2/10/14 to 2/17/14. Beta is steaming pile of dog shit
Actuall, "Moosehead" is not a beer at all, it's a misdemeanor.
But it may have something to do with the state of their religion.
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I'm not sure what the exchange rate is.
I love Jesus, except for his foreign policy.
You lack discernment. If the place is a shit-hole, it is due to the authorities or lack thereof. Since Iran has authorities, it's on them. And since the authorities are religious, it is the state religion at fault.
If I were referring to another state, I would be referring to that state's authorities.
You assumed I was making a generalization. Wrong.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Not sure about the others, but Canada doesn't have a state religion.
The wikipedia article you linked to notes that certain religious schools, most notably Roman Catholic, receive public funding, but so do various other specialty schools, including some Islamic ones.
Your point is well taken though - there's a difference between a technical state religion that hangs around for historical reasons and what the GP meant by "state religion" implying more of a theocracy.
Now you understand why we see with a bad feeling : the bullshit with Christian fundamentalism and "we are a Christian nation" with the US having already a nuclear fleet of missiles, and also some of their politics expecting the apocalypse in their lifetime.
Monkey pee; monkey doo.
Their they're doing there hair.
Of course if the Iranians are going to ignore the non-proliferation treaty, who's to say they'll honor any others?
Of course Iran will not honor any treaty.
It's an insult to monkeys.
Think of the Monkees
Yeah, only douche bags from texas hyphenate douche bag.
They should have tried a goat
It's hard to understand how Iran or any other country with the same level of technology have trouble reverse-engineering and producing systems that were first built in the 60's. Iran like all the other 2nd or 3rd tier countries when it comes to developing technology have more than enough scientists and engineers (most of whom were educated in the West) capable of working on this type of technology.
Reverse-engineering and re-building up to specs (including testing in - duh - adequate testing facilities) is not cheap and it is extremely time consuming. There are a lot of qualified scientists in many countries, but they are forced by necessity to carry out experiments with a higher risk of failure. Without the wherewithal with which to carry their R&D to a degree sufficient to minimize error, one might as well ask them to re-build Persepolis with nothing more but spoons and silly putty mixed with buggers and poop. Technical know-how can only take you so far.
But, yeah, racists sometimes compare people to monkeys (or chimps). It does not follow that therefore everyone who compares a person to a monkey is a racist.
If the masses can keep you down, you're not the Ubermensch.
Shouldn't PETA be protesting this?
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Prov 9:8 Do not rebuke mockers or they will hate you; rebuke the wise and they will love you.
The US killed three monkeys and a mouse in rockets before the first successful landing.
John Prine could update his song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d20zUw57lgs
Space Monkey, Space Monkey
What you doing out there?
Why it's dark as a dungeon way up in the air
Come gather round me you little monkeys and a story I'll tell
About a brave young primate, outer space knew him well
He was born at the top of a big old tree
Way back in 1953.
He could swing through the jungle and hang by his toes
Till they took him to Russia cause they could I suppose
They dressed him up in a spacesuit and it started to snow
Shot him off in a rocket where no man would go
Space Monkey Space Monkey
What you doing out there?
Why it's dark as a dungeon way up in the air
There'll be no one to greet you when you get back home
No hammer or sickle you'll be on your own.
He had plenty of Cuban bananas and loads of Spam
But he found great difficulty trying to open the can
One day he slipped on a banana peel and the ship lost control
It spun out of orbit and shot out the black hole
It's been four decades now, that's nine monkey years
That's a long time for a Space Monkey to confront all his fears
Space Monkey Space Monkey
What you doing out there?
Why it's dark as a dungeon way up in the air
There'll be no one to greet you when you get back home
No hammer or sickle you'll be all on your own.
Space Monkey, Space Monkey
It's time to get real
The space race is over, how does it feel
Cold War's had a heatwave, Iron Curtain's torn down
They've rolled up the carpet in Space Monkey town
Now Leningrad is Petersburg and Petersburg's hell
For a card-carrying monkey with a story to tell
The Space Monkey was reportedly last sighted about
A half a block off of Red Square
In a karaoke bar having a few drinks with some of his friends
There was the dog that flew Sputnik
And a blind red-headed, one legged parrot
Who had done some minor research for Dow Chemical
They were drinking American Vodka
Imported all the way from Paducah, Kentucky
And reportedly had their arms around each other's
Shoulders singing.
Those were the days, my friend, we thought they'd never end
Space Monkey, Space Monkey
There's nothing to do
But it's better than living in a Communist zoo
There'll be no one to greet you when you get back home
No hammer or sickle you'll be all on you own
Hi moron,
Just so you know, Muslim is a religion, not an ethnicity.
Hugs and kisses,
Juan Epstein
In Russia, Laika launch is still considered success!
Is this what Tori Amos's Space Dog about?
Can you imagine how mad the million monkeys are writing letters of protest against Iran?
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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I guess that's what happens when you don't separate church and state
Most likely it refers to the title of the Queen, which is:
"Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith."
Note that this is specifically the title as used in Canada - it's different from e.g. Australia, where "Defender of the Faith" is specifically omitted.
I'd bad enough that I have to call this stuff out, before moving on to the anti-islamic sentiments.
Oh gosh, someone is wrong on teh Internet? *gasp*
First, Islam is a religion. A Muslim is a person who practices said religion. It's like saying "Scottish is a country." Second, he didn't say "racism," he said "predjudice." There is a difference - the first is specific, the second is general.
You've just called the UK a shithole. Thanks.
Also, Canada, Costa Rica, Liechtenstein, Malta, Monaco, Greece, Denmark, Iceland, Norway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion
Furthermore, although I do disagree with state religion, it's not all that defines a country. I'm certain Iran has some areas of outstanding natural beauty, magnificent architecture, foot, culture etc.
All the non-Islamic countries with a state religion that you listed above guarantee freedom of, and from, religion. It's not that way with Islamic countries at all. In the same article you cited, it clearly states that 'Proselytism on behalf of other religions is often illegal.'. Not only that, apostasy out of Islam is either not recognized in some countries, such as Malaysia, or brings on it the death sentence, like in Iran.
Oh, and before equal opportunity religion haters try and say that proselytization of all religions should be illegal, two things worth noting. One - proselytism on behalf of Islam is not only legal, but mostly encounraged, in keeping with Shariah law, which aims to make Islam the supreme religion of a country. Two - most atheists and agnostics are not recognized as such, but would be regarded as Infidels, and targeted for execution. In other words, a lot of pro-Iran /. posters, despite being anti-Christian or anti-Jewish, would be executed for their anti-religious views, unless they were hypocrites who made an exception for Islam. I personally am agnostic, but Islamic countries, unlike other countries in that list with state religions, do not allow freedom from religion. Even freedom of religion is a very loaded concept to them - it's there, so long as non-Muslims accept 3nd class citizen status.
As for Iran, it had a great culture. It was before the Sassanids. The magnificient architecture that it has was something the Zoroastrians started, and the Muslims just adapted. Iran achieved little once Islam really set in.
Wrong, dingle-berry. Muslim is to Islam as Christians are to Christianity.
Hugs and kisses,
Juan Epstein
I've been visitted by Muslims, unlike the average Slashdotter: they actually tried to convert and gave me an ultimatum. Because I have cracking skills, I was lucky they tried to convert me today and not before I read the book because I found all kinds of loopholes in their religous texts that I exploited to the fullest. My response to being converted can be summed up as saying: I'm a god,and get on your knees and worship me and give me your money or I'll make you feel like a lone tree on a hill among a lightning storm.
The United States attacks countries for using any international currency other than US domestic dollars, it's main export is inflation, and is not known as a responsible collective. As far as I know, The United States induces countries around it into societal poverty that causes cultural retardation tracable to a long line of freemasons that use this as an exploit to gain foothold to overpower societies that weren't in it's control. How is The United States any different than Islam in this regard? They both don't let the people just be as they are.
They shot their scratch monkey into space?
To bad monkeys can't launch Iranians into space.
Keep them coming....
You said:
Not all that different from saying "Christian is a religion."
Always mount a scratch monkey!