So now we have gone from fiber is digestible and has nutritional value, to fiber is a non essential nutrient that cannot be digested and has no nutritional value. Great. I'm glad you could admit that.
Non-essential nutrients are substances within foods can still have a significant impact on health, whether beneficial or toxic. For example, most dietary fiber is not absorbed by the human digestive tract, but is important in maintaining the bulk of a bowel movement to avoid constipation.
First, I want you to quote me the passage that says that any type of dietary fiber is digestible. Then I would like to know the nutritional value of that fiber as digested I am going to be waiting for quite some time, because none of your links contain that information.
So which of your links says that fiber is digestible? Sure, fiber has nutritional value for animals that are capable of digesting cellulose. So technically yes it has nutritional value when you eat it, and it still has the same nutritional value after you shit it out. All of those articles say that fiber "may" have all sorts of benefits. We highly subsidize agriculture in this country, so it's important to get consumers to eat lots of agricultural products that are bad for us. Most of these contain fiber, which is useless as a food.
Yes, for example if you take processed sugar and mix it with oat bran, that will cause less harm than if you just eat straight sugar.
BTW, there are 2 types of fiber in food, and they are very different. A statement like "Fiber which is an undigestible substance that has no nutritional value" is complete idiocy.
Yes, there are soluble and insoluble forms of dietary fiber, both of which are indigestible. Care to try again?
Fiber not only has nutritional value, it is necessary for good health.
Read a little bit about how excess sugar consumption causes diabetes. You might discover that eating straight sugar all at once is much more harmful to your body than eating the same amount a little bit at a time mixed with fiber.
OK genius. What is the nutritional value of 1 gram of soluble fiber, and 1 gram of insoluble fiber.
Lol, the fiber myth keeps rearing it's ugly head. Tell me how eating 1 apple is and better for you than eating 1 apple worth of apple juice. They both have exactly the same amount of sugar. Are you telling me that if I put 1 apple worth of fiber in my 1 apple worth of apple juice, it suddenly makes it healthy? Fiber which is an undigestible substance that has no nutritional value and somehow magically makes sugar more healthy.
That's stupid. After reading tc's pkstsim fairly certain he would do what he can to help the country that he has adopted, and that has adopted him. He wouldn't give shelter to a cyber attacker, and if he knew their identity he would report them.
Unfortunately for you, my friend, the countries of Europe have no will to fight. They are under attack by an enemy who wants to subjugate and convert or destroy them, and the best they can do is look at themselves and worry about what they did to deserve this, and what they can do to not offend the people trying to kill them. Europe had better get its act together or it will be destroyed by the people it thinks it is giving shelter to.
How much did each of those stations cost? You've got what, like 20 of them? They must be making money hand over fist, and that's why more of them are popping up so quickly. Why am I not surprised that you live in Cali? What kind of FCEV do you own?
That's right, it's a form of energy storage, not a pre-charged energy source like fossil fuels.What's more important here is convenience and efficiency, not so much where the energy comes from. And it's far faster & easier to top up some hydrogen or electrolyte tanks over a pipe than to recharge giant lithium batteries.
So much wrong here. Fossil fuels are a form of energy storage as well. In fact fossil fuels contain more hydrogen than liquid hydrogen per unit of volume. It is not pre-charged. I don't even know what that means. Is water pre-charged with hydrogen? Or do you mean you have to refine the water before you get the usable product? Oh. Have fun putting crude oil in your car. It's fun to cook over too. I didn't realize it's so easy to fill a hydrogen tank. You just put the hydrogen in over a series of tubes. Simple. To recharge a giant lithium battery, you just plug it in. The infrastructure is already there. To fill up a hydrogen tank "over a pipe", we have to refine the hydrogen (don't have infrastructure for that yet), compress the hydrogen (not simple, look it up), store the hydrogen (not really any good methods yet), transport the hydrogen (is there a hydrogen pipeline somewhere that I missed? Trucks and trains carrying hydrogen sounds like a great idea! crash, kaboom!), store the hydrogen yet again in efficient tanks that don't exist, transfer from those tanks to the tanks at your local hydrogen station, find a safe method to transfer from the hydro station to the gigantic tank in your car, which doesn't exist yet, and figure out how millions of cars can safely transport tanks of hydrogen without ever exploding.
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So now we have gone from fiber is digestible and has nutritional value, to fiber is a non essential nutrient that cannot be digested and has no nutritional value. Great. I'm glad you could admit that.
And here is the quote from your Nutrient page:
Non-essential nutrients[edit]
Non-essential nutrients are substances within foods can still have a significant impact on health, whether beneficial or toxic. For example, most dietary fiber is not absorbed by the human digestive tract, but is important in maintaining the bulk of a bowel movement to avoid constipation.
First, I want you to quote me the passage that says that any type of dietary fiber is digestible. Then I would like to know the nutritional value of that fiber as digested I am going to be waiting for quite some time, because none of your links contain that information.
First paragraph says:
Dietary fiber or roughage is the indigestible portion of food derived from plants. It has two main components:
Yes. Readers can read.
So which of your links says that fiber is digestible? Sure, fiber has nutritional value for animals that are capable of digesting cellulose. So technically yes it has nutritional value when you eat it, and it still has the same nutritional value after you shit it out. All of those articles say that fiber "may" have all sorts of benefits. We highly subsidize agriculture in this country, so it's important to get consumers to eat lots of agricultural products that are bad for us. Most of these contain fiber, which is useless as a food.
Yes, for example if you take processed sugar and mix it with oat bran, that will cause less harm than if you just eat straight sugar.
BTW, there are 2 types of fiber in food, and they are very different. A statement like "Fiber which is an undigestible substance that has no nutritional value" is complete idiocy.
Yes, there are soluble and insoluble forms of dietary fiber, both of which are indigestible. Care to try again?
Fiber not only has nutritional value, it is necessary for good health.
Read a little bit about how excess sugar consumption causes diabetes. You might discover that eating straight sugar all at once is much more harmful to your body than eating the same amount a little bit at a time mixed with fiber.
OK genius. What is the nutritional value of 1 gram of soluble fiber, and 1 gram of insoluble fiber.
The problem with this comparison is that the merits of Guantanamo Bay can be debated. There is no merit or truth to the anti-vaxxer position.
Did you get dropped on your head? Did you even think before you typed that?
How does sugar get trapped in fiber? Please tell me.
Fruit isn't that healthy for you in the form of fruit either.
Lol, the fiber myth keeps rearing it's ugly head. Tell me how eating 1 apple is and better for you than eating 1 apple worth of apple juice. They both have exactly the same amount of sugar. Are you telling me that if I put 1 apple worth of fiber in my 1 apple worth of apple juice, it suddenly makes it healthy? Fiber which is an undigestible substance that has no nutritional value and somehow magically makes sugar more healthy.
Well as, damn phone.
Yeah, economic systems that have to be imposed on a people, will never work as the system put in place by nature.
That's stupid. After reading tc's pkstsim fairly certain he would do what he can to help the country that he has adopted, and that has adopted him. He wouldn't give shelter to a cyber attacker, and if he knew their identity he would report them.
Unfortunately for you, my friend, the countries of Europe have no will to fight. They are under attack by an enemy who wants to subjugate and convert or destroy them, and the best they can do is look at themselves and worry about what they did to deserve this, and what they can do to not offend the people trying to kill them. Europe had better get its act together or it will be destroyed by the people it thinks it is giving shelter to.
No, they don't exist as infrastructure. They exist as a very expensive experiment. That's like saying flying cars exist. Technically yes, they do.
Just go to Mexico and walk across the border.
I was too generous in my estimate. There are 13 Hydrogen stations open to consumers.
How much did each of those stations cost? You've got what, like 20 of them? They must be making money hand over fist, and that's why more of them are popping up so quickly. Why am I not surprised that you live in Cali? What kind of FCEV do you own?
Just read this.
Why hydrogen is stupid as fuel for cars
Cool, where can I fill up?
At what pressure is the hydrogen stored in the tank in the car?
That's right, it's a form of energy storage, not a pre-charged energy source like fossil fuels.What's more important here is convenience and efficiency, not so much where the energy comes from. And it's far faster & easier to top up some hydrogen or electrolyte tanks over a pipe than to recharge giant lithium batteries.
So much wrong here. Fossil fuels are a form of energy storage as well. In fact fossil fuels contain more hydrogen than liquid hydrogen per unit of volume. It is not pre-charged. I don't even know what that means. Is water pre-charged with hydrogen? Or do you mean you have to refine the water before you get the usable product? Oh. Have fun putting crude oil in your car. It's fun to cook over too. I didn't realize it's so easy to fill a hydrogen tank. You just put the hydrogen in over a series of tubes. Simple. To recharge a giant lithium battery, you just plug it in. The infrastructure is already there. To fill up a hydrogen tank "over a pipe", we have to refine the hydrogen (don't have infrastructure for that yet), compress the hydrogen (not simple, look it up), store the hydrogen (not really any good methods yet), transport the hydrogen (is there a hydrogen pipeline somewhere that I missed? Trucks and trains carrying hydrogen sounds like a great idea! crash, kaboom!), store the hydrogen yet again in efficient tanks that don't exist, transfer from those tanks to the tanks at your local hydrogen station, find a safe method to transfer from the hydro station to the gigantic tank in your car, which doesn't exist yet, and figure out how millions of cars can safely transport tanks of hydrogen without ever exploding.
Is that all you know about hydrogen, that we can burn it like gasoline, or use it in a fuel cell, and it fills up a tank quickly?
No. That was a very small part of his success. If you spent 5 minutes looking at this you'd realize that was the case.