You're the one that signatures as we have them now were useful. I had to assume you were referring to current practices.
It is true that a cashier can't stop all forgeries, but they can sure in the hell stop the obvious ones.
It stops the obvious ones, but enables all the rest. I do not sign my cards. They ask to see my ID, then look up at my face to see if it's a match to the photo. That signature could be used anywhere if my wallet were ever stolen. Not just for credit card purchasers.
It's a new system for the US. It can be implemented however the major issuers decide to - whether they already have a presence in other countries or not.
It could certainly be proximity + PIN. Challenge/response does not require anything that NFC chips can't do. You're right that eavesdropping doesn't get you anything special, but it's still somewhat less secure to have the transaction sniffed.
The signature is useful for forensic analysis of the fraud after the fact.
Is it really? Most of the card issuers want you to demonstrate your signature right on the back of the card. And then pair that with a low resolution signature pad, and there's really no benefit at all.
almost all crooks are going to skip houses with alarms
This is a good reason to put a battery powered blinking LED somewhere in view of the outside world. It's not like it takes much to make it seem like you might have an alarm system.
I do live in a relatively flat area, but I had no trouble at almost 50 miles with an indoor antenna and a good amplifier. The indoor antenna was actually a broken outdoor antenna, hiding inside behind some furniture - facing an outward wall. Worked great. You might still have options.
Is there really some reason to think that a large percentage of people believing something makes it correct? Democracy is good, but this is by far its greatest weakness.
"I checked it very thoroughly," said the computer, "and that quite definitely is the answer. I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never actually known what the question is."
"But it was the Great Question! The Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything," howled Loonquawl.
"Yes," said Deep Thought with the air of one who suffers fools gladly, "but what actually is it?" A slow stupefied silence crept over the men as they stared at the computer and then at each other.
"Well, you know, it's just Everything... Everything..." offered Phouchg weakly.
"Exactly!" said Deep Thought. "So once you know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means."
Someone needs to get on it and get a 2 or 3 letter GTLD. Just imagine shortening a long url down to http://shrt./dR7e - wouldn't even need to add a domain to that TLD.
Not so much a pedant as an advocate of logic. Just like "begs the question" is never going to mean literally asking for the question. I'm fine with language evolving naturally - but not under the basis of people being too stupid to understand the meaning of a word. On an unrelated topic, I also reject the T-V distinction. Ye will forever more be a plural noun and y'all has no place in our language as a result.
Only in the sense that any group of people can force a word to mean something new if they use it wrong long enough. There is no central authority for the English language, so majority rules. It's just a shame when a word's new meaning is because people have been using it wrong for so long.
And doesn't digital cable require a new TV or converter box to get all the channels? It's the same thing except monthly fees added to it.
Just because you couldn't understand how to wire that up does not mean it was complicated. And it was not all that expensive. Which was the original point.
Infringement is a silly concept to begin with. If you randomly generate a pile of bits that's exactly like some other pile of bits, that's non-infringing. If you discover some magic way to randomly generate TV movies without starting with the movie itself, that's not infringing. If you seed it with a movie, or generate movies and distribute a seed to do it (i.e. hyper-compression), that's infringing. Why? Origination. Not result, origination.
OK. I'm done with this conversation. Infringement means you're building on someone else's effort without proper attribution/payment, you're depriving the artist of something tangible. And once you've ripped off everyone who makes a living creating content, there won't be much new content. You're not going to randomly generate a movie that happens to match another. Spontaneous generation of cheesecake from a volcanic eruption is about as likely.
If you say it's out there, the people that need to find it can find it. There's absolutely no reason to facilitate. It serves no journalistic purpose.
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So don't pair it with a low res signature card.
You're the one that signatures as we have them now were useful. I had to assume you were referring to current practices.
It is true that a cashier can't stop all forgeries, but they can sure in the hell stop the obvious ones.
It stops the obvious ones, but enables all the rest. I do not sign my cards. They ask to see my ID, then look up at my face to see if it's a match to the photo. That signature could be used anywhere if my wallet were ever stolen. Not just for credit card purchasers.
It's a new system for the US. It can be implemented however the major issuers decide to - whether they already have a presence in other countries or not.
It could certainly be proximity + PIN. Challenge/response does not require anything that NFC chips can't do. You're right that eavesdropping doesn't get you anything special, but it's still somewhat less secure to have the transaction sniffed.
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It's a shame that the original web site for this is gone.
The signature is useful for forensic analysis of the fraud after the fact.
Is it really? Most of the card issuers want you to demonstrate your signature right on the back of the card. And then pair that with a low resolution signature pad, and there's really no benefit at all.
Chip and pin is not proximity based.
One implementation is not. That doesn't mean that a given new system wouldn't be. However, direct electrical contact is certainly more secure.
There's no security in signatures. Signatures only show fraud in hindsight. It does nothing to prevent it at the time of the transaction.
almost all crooks are going to skip houses with alarms
This is a good reason to put a battery powered blinking LED somewhere in view of the outside world. It's not like it takes much to make it seem like you might have an alarm system.
Well...not that this isn't bad, but where else would it come from? Would you prefer that international funds were used? Some foreign nation or agency?
I do live in a relatively flat area, but I had no trouble at almost 50 miles with an indoor antenna and a good amplifier. The indoor antenna was actually a broken outdoor antenna, hiding inside behind some furniture - facing an outward wall. Worked great. You might still have options.
If it's killed before it goes, it stays dead.
In one country / for one provider. Doesn't quite prevent it from just being shipped overseas and then sold.
When they're big enough to require their own power plant?
Well - that would certainly fit within 2-3. My example used 4. I should have figured on it being 3 or more - too many country TLD's.
Is there really some reason to think that a large percentage of people believing something makes it correct? Democracy is good, but this is by far its greatest weakness.
and then it gave me the wrong answer!
"I checked it very thoroughly," said the computer, "and that quite definitely is the answer. I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never actually known what the question is."
"But it was the Great Question! The Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything," howled Loonquawl.
"Yes," said Deep Thought with the air of one who suffers fools gladly, "but what actually is it?" A slow stupefied silence crept over the men as they stared at the computer and then at each other.
"Well, you know, it's just Everything ... Everything ..." offered Phouchg weakly.
"Exactly!" said Deep Thought. "So once you know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means."
Someone needs to get on it and get a 2 or 3 letter GTLD. Just imagine shortening a long url down to http ://shrt./dR7e - wouldn't even need to add a domain to that TLD.
Not so much a pedant as an advocate of logic. Just like "begs the question" is never going to mean literally asking for the question. I'm fine with language evolving naturally - but not under the basis of people being too stupid to understand the meaning of a word. On an unrelated topic, I also reject the T-V distinction. Ye will forever more be a plural noun and y'all has no place in our language as a result.
I was fairly certain this was called sleep.
I think you need a defrag...
Only in the sense that any group of people can force a word to mean something new if they use it wrong long enough. There is no central authority for the English language, so majority rules. It's just a shame when a word's new meaning is because people have been using it wrong for so long.
No, that's altitude. Attitude is your orientation.
And doesn't digital cable require a new TV or converter box to get all the channels? It's the same thing except monthly fees added to it.
Just because you couldn't understand how to wire that up does not mean it was complicated. And it was not all that expensive. Which was the original point.
Infringement is a silly concept to begin with. If you randomly generate a pile of bits that's exactly like some other pile of bits, that's non-infringing. If you discover some magic way to randomly generate TV movies without starting with the movie itself, that's not infringing. If you seed it with a movie, or generate movies and distribute a seed to do it (i.e. hyper-compression), that's infringing. Why? Origination. Not result, origination.
OK. I'm done with this conversation. Infringement means you're building on someone else's effort without proper attribution/payment, you're depriving the artist of something tangible. And once you've ripped off everyone who makes a living creating content, there won't be much new content. You're not going to randomly generate a movie that happens to match another. Spontaneous generation of cheesecake from a volcanic eruption is about as likely.
If you say it's out there, the people that need to find it can find it. There's absolutely no reason to facilitate. It serves no journalistic purpose.