I like Linux fdisk lots, but it's surely not easy.
I've never had a the Windows NT formatter or boot loader step on my partitions, which is one very minor data point in it's favor. Linux's behavior in this regard is buggy and not good. Y'all have worked around it, so it might not seem that pressing, but it's a big user adoption issue.
I would venture to say that all [IBM] PC hardware is by definition because of the limited number of IRQs and DMA channels available.
I've seen a few new PCs (especially laptops), that ship from the factory with exactly zero free IRQs. Adding new hardware is going to be a fight under any operating system. (And don't even tell me about IRQ sharing which I've only seen work reliably once with 2 Intel NICs and an Intel motherboard.)
Of course Intel, MS, IBM and the other powers-that-be haven't really done any thing to address this situation, except propose more IRQ sucking expansion interfaces such as USB and FireWire.
If you are only interested in Linux, Mac hardware* is an obvious solution to this. Sure, you are paying a few hundred dollars more, but think of the hours of resource fucking that you'll avoid over the life of the machine. That is, as the saying goes, unless your time has no value.
Admittedly the name brand PC stuff is better, but Creative Labs just informed me that my AWE64 Gold (name brand) is not supported on my Compaq EISA system (also name brand), although I can kinda sorta make it work.
* I don't know if Alpha hardware avoids this problem or is based on the same broken 1984 PC AT design. --
If you folks think that RedHat's install is some paradigm of ease, you shouldn't be participating in this discussion.
The partition editor only works sometimes, and furthermore, it's pretty non-obvious to the newbie what to do (create a / partition).
LILO is a major problem with all Linux systems. Yea, sure it works, sometimes, in certain conditions. (I've had it spontainously change my partition type codes on FAT partitions.) Look at the NT Boot loader, it just works. Don't believe me on this one -- search DejaNews for "LILO AND LI" and see what you get.
The RedHat install is not at all clear on what network services you're installing, and provides no descriptive information and no ablitity to alter the configuration during the install.
Once RedHat is installed, you are presented with a confusing Control Panel full of really ugly icons. By futzing around with this you can perhaps find certain options you're looking for, but it's usually extremely non-obvious. RedHat also provide the linuxconf program, but the thing just seems too klutzy to trust. It's also real slow and has many drawing bugs.
Well, that's the rant. Just wanted to point out that there's a way to go. --
You are correct. These guys fought for years over what became the original DVD spec, and are also fighting over DVD-RW.
The interesting thing about the DVD fight is that the format was redesigned in the process from "VHS Quality" to something considerably better. --
Name Change? This has happened before...many times
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I think AT&T changed their name because the Wall Street JOurnal and others kept referring to them as "American Telephone", and they didn't like the confusing press.
3M still makes Mining products, and is still Minnesota Mining and Manufaturing on paper. --
Data point - I'm aware of a couple NT boxes, and one Solaris x86 with 2GB. So its more like 99.5%.
While that may be top end now, look forward a few years, and it will be much more common to see this amount of memory on x86.
I'm not really aware of the issues involved in this, but I'm sure if turns out be a problem with Linux, they can slipstream a fix in to 2.3.666 or whatever. Commercial operating systems would probably do it at a major version upgrade, which NT won't see for a while after 2000 finally ships. --
Also, throughout the 80s, there was no press or public excitment over MS Windows. Most people thought it was a joke, although some did use a runtime version to use Excel (but more people used a runtime GEM desktop to run Ventura Publisher.)
Everyone in those days thought OS/2 was the GUI PC OS of the future. That is, until Microsoft started giving away millions of copies of Windows (only hook - add WIN to the AUTOEXEC.BAT). PC Users essentially staged a revolt, demanding a GUI interface over the DOS standards of WP and 123, and that's pretty much how we got to where we are today. --
What does the IPX in Sun IPX mean? Is is a reference to a (corporate) Novell network?
I like the Pizza Box case idea that Sun (and Apple) used to have. Pick your monitor, sound, network, video, and SCSI on the motherboard suits most people fine.
I've work at places that buy standard size but have a Technician-Shall-Not-Open-The-Case policy. The labor costs of upgrading an existing box apparently are much more expensive than just buying a new one. --
Linux Conspiracy #326 - Microsoft will break Samba
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Right on. The mindset it takes to believe that Microsoft would intentionally break their own server-client "solution" is pretty bizarre.
It's my understanding that Microsoft still sells a few copies of OS/2 1.x (at the original not-cheap price of $500) for embedded applications. Why not use IBM OS/2? I don't know.
NT-Embedded is designed to be a replacement for this product.
Some people might ask, what is the Microsoft DNS and why should I use it? Well let's start out by telling you what it is not. First, the Microsoft DNS server is not a port of the Berkley BIND code (which is currently at revision 10.4 as of the writing of this paper). We made a conscious decision to not port the BIND code, but rather write our own code that was fully RFC compliant and compatible with BIND.
They already offer that -- see this story
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AT&T's "LanMan for Unix" product (now resold by Sun and SCO) goes back to the Microsoft OS/2 1.x days in the 1980s. Back then MS only had like 10% of the file-and-print market so it was reasonable to licence the SMB protocol and Domain security stuff to anyone who wanted it. Not much has changed protocol-wise since then.
IBM owns this code too, and could do the same thing in theory. Me wonders why they don't.
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I'm sorry but this one ranks up there with "MS Linux" in the paranoia factor. Microsoft's SMB file sharing backwards compatible with 15 year old networking products from IBM.
Could Microsoft break Samba in some subtle way? Probably, but they'd also be breaking WfW, DOS clients, OS/2, and everything else that's ever used SMB. Microsoft's customers would form a lynch mob.
As for hiring lots of genius programmers, MS may not produce the best products, but they produce lots and lots of products. (Compare this to various grand plans from Netscape, Apple, Lotus, etc. that never got out the door.) I doubt there is a computer company in existance that doesn't compete with at least one MS product. --
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According to www.openresources.com, Debian 2.1 is over 70 Million lines of code. And that's managable by a group of volunteeers.
(Not quite an apples-to-apples comparision with Win2000 because Debian's number probably includes all 300 window managers and so on. But Win2000 does include IIS, multi-user, routing, and unix services.) --
I didn't mean the Parallel Port was going away (although its "optional" in the PC 99 spec). Only that ParPort scanners, video capture stuff, hard drives, and so on have already been pretty much replaced by USB, which is fine because the ParPort has always seemed kinda flaky as a perhiphreal interface. --
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Note that I was referring to the RedHat partitioner, and not fdisk.
How can I tell you about the bugs when you are an AC?
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And all remarkably useless to the newbie Linux installer (because he doesn't have Linux yet!)
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I like Linux fdisk lots, but it's surely not easy.
I've never had a the Windows NT formatter or boot loader step on my partitions, which is one very minor data point in it's favor. Linux's behavior in this regard is buggy and not good. Y'all have worked around it, so it might not seem that pressing, but it's a big user adoption issue.
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I would venture to say that all [IBM] PC hardware is by definition because of the limited number of IRQs and DMA channels available.
I've seen a few new PCs (especially laptops), that ship from the factory with exactly zero free IRQs. Adding new hardware is going to be a fight under any operating system. (And don't even tell me about IRQ sharing which I've only seen work reliably once with 2 Intel NICs and an Intel motherboard.)
Of course Intel, MS, IBM and the other powers-that-be haven't really done any thing to address this situation, except propose more IRQ sucking expansion interfaces such as USB and FireWire.
If you are only interested in Linux, Mac hardware* is an obvious solution to this. Sure, you are paying a few hundred dollars more, but think of the hours of resource fucking that you'll avoid over the life of the machine. That is, as the saying goes, unless your time has no value.
Admittedly the name brand PC stuff is better, but Creative Labs just informed me that my AWE64 Gold (name brand) is not supported on my Compaq EISA system (also name brand), although I can kinda sorta make it work.
* I don't know if Alpha hardware avoids this problem or is based on the same broken 1984 PC AT design.
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If you folks think that RedHat's install is some paradigm of ease, you shouldn't be participating in this discussion.
The partition editor only works sometimes, and furthermore, it's pretty non-obvious to the newbie what to do (create a / partition).
LILO is a major problem with all Linux systems. Yea, sure it works, sometimes, in certain conditions. (I've had it spontainously change my partition type codes on FAT partitions.) Look at the NT Boot loader, it just works. Don't believe me on this one -- search DejaNews for "LILO AND LI" and see what you get.
The RedHat install is not at all clear on what network services you're installing, and provides no descriptive information and no ablitity to alter the configuration during the install.
Once RedHat is installed, you are presented with a confusing Control Panel full of really ugly icons. By futzing around with this you can perhaps find certain options you're looking for, but it's usually extremely non-obvious. RedHat also provide the linuxconf program, but the thing just seems too klutzy to trust. It's also real slow and has many drawing bugs.
Well, that's the rant. Just wanted to point out that there's a way to go.
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With DVD players at about $200 (compared to $100 for a standard CD player), it would seem like DVD Audio is inevitable.
I doubt there's going to be many 6.5 hour albumns. More like the standard 45 minutes plus a few music videos or something.
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You are correct. These guys fought for years over what became the original DVD spec, and are also fighting over DVD-RW.
The interesting thing about the DVD fight is that the format was redesigned in the process from "VHS Quality" to something considerably better.
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I think AT&T changed their name because the Wall Street JOurnal and others kept referring to them as "American Telephone", and they didn't like the confusing press.
3M still makes Mining products, and is still Minnesota Mining and Manufaturing on paper.
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Data point - I'm aware of a couple NT boxes, and one Solaris x86 with 2GB. So its more like 99.5%.
While that may be top end now, look forward a few years, and it will be much more common to see this amount of memory on x86.
I'm not really aware of the issues involved in this, but I'm sure if turns out be a problem with Linux, they can slipstream a fix in to 2.3.666 or whatever. Commercial operating systems would probably do it at a major version upgrade, which NT won't see for a while after 2000 finally ships.
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It's true that Win2000 junks the Domain security model, but that has nothing to do with high availablity or journaling.
(A WinNT Domain is a common list of user/groups shared by a number of computers for login and ACL purposes.)
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Also, throughout the 80s, there was no press or public excitment over MS Windows. Most people thought it was a joke, although some did use a runtime version to use Excel (but more people used a runtime GEM desktop to run Ventura Publisher.)
Everyone in those days thought OS/2 was the GUI PC OS of the future. That is, until Microsoft started giving away millions of copies of Windows (only hook - add WIN to the AUTOEXEC.BAT). PC Users essentially staged a revolt, demanding a GUI interface over the DOS standards of WP and 123, and that's pretty much how we got to where we are today.
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The all-in-one PC is hardly a new idea. Even excepting the original Mac, Apple has had (non-colored) all-in-one models for 10 years.
Compaq has made all-in-one presarios, as well as a model that included a flat panel display. Others have followed.
The iMac is interesting because it's the first time this case style has gotten out of the educational market ghetto.
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What does the IPX in Sun IPX mean? Is is a reference to a (corporate) Novell network?
I like the Pizza Box case idea that Sun (and Apple) used to have. Pick your monitor, sound, network, video, and SCSI on the motherboard suits most people fine.
I've work at places that buy standard size but have a Technician-Shall-Not-Open-The-Case policy. The labor costs of upgrading an existing box apparently are much more expensive than just buying a new one.
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Right on. The mindset it takes to believe that Microsoft would intentionally break their own server-client "solution" is pretty bizarre.
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I doubt it. Microsoft has been working on Embedded NT for some time now.
But it's good to be paranoid, because everyone's out to get you.
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Right - this was an announcment from the hardware (Proliant) division, not DEC.
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It's my understanding that Microsoft still sells a few copies of OS/2 1.x (at the original not-cheap price of $500) for embedded applications. Why not use IBM OS/2? I don't know.
NT-Embedded is designed to be a replacement for this product.
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I thought multi-proc + IDE was a bad idea. Plus why buy an extra CPU when you're burning the cycles you do got with IDE?
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Gates has given 100s of millions away. The fact that people don't know this only shows that he hasn't been doing it for PR purposes.
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Hmmm - this is from Microsoft's web site:
o mplete/boes/bo/winntas/technote/implemntin tegra/dnswp2.htm
Some people might ask, what is the Microsoft DNS and why should I use it? Well let's start out by telling you what it is not. First, the Microsoft DNS server is not a port of the Berkley BIND code (which is currently at revision 10.4 as of the writing of this paper). We made a conscious decision to not port the BIND code, but rather write our own code that was fully RFC compliant and compatible with BIND.
http://technet.microsoft.com/cdonline/content/c
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AT&T's "LanMan for Unix" product (now resold by Sun and SCO) goes back to the Microsoft OS/2 1.x days in the 1980s. Back then MS only had like 10% of the file-and-print market so it was reasonable to licence the SMB protocol and Domain security stuff to anyone who wanted it. Not much has changed protocol-wise since then.
IBM owns this code too, and could do the same thing in theory. Me wonders why they don't.
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I'm sorry but this one ranks up there with "MS Linux" in the paranoia factor. Microsoft's SMB file sharing backwards compatible with 15 year old networking products from IBM.
Could Microsoft break Samba in some subtle way? Probably, but they'd also be breaking WfW, DOS clients, OS/2, and everything else that's ever used SMB. Microsoft's customers would form a lynch mob.
As for hiring lots of genius programmers, MS may not produce the best products, but they produce lots and lots of products. (Compare this to various grand plans from Netscape, Apple, Lotus, etc. that never got out the door.) I doubt there is a computer company in existance that doesn't compete with at least one MS product.
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According to www.openresources.com, Debian 2.1 is over 70 Million lines of code. And that's managable by a group of volunteeers.
(Not quite an apples-to-apples comparision with Win2000 because Debian's number probably includes all 300 window managers and so on. But Win2000 does include IIS, multi-user, routing, and unix services.)
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Note that you can buy a "Pentium Pro Overdrive" chip, which is essentially a 333Mhz Xeon that fits in a PPro socket.
I doubt they're much cheaper than the regular Xeons, but you'd be able save some money on the motherboard.
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I didn't mean the Parallel Port was going away (although its "optional" in the PC 99 spec). Only that ParPort scanners, video capture stuff, hard drives, and so on have already been pretty much replaced by USB, which is fine because the ParPort has always seemed kinda flaky as a perhiphreal interface.
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