Mozilla and phoenix and opera under windows. Not a one of them would take the installation. Perhaps some other info would be helpful: I did this very many months ago (>6), and at the time everything I read implied that there was no Linux version of the software; perhaps I was reading the wrong information.
look asshole, I was talking about under WINDOWS. Nowhere in my post did I even begin to mention Linux. And Yes. I DID try to make it work. For about 4 hours until I said Fuck it I don't need Invader Zim that badly.
All of those things were illegal before PATRIOT and didn't need PATRIOT to prosecute them. PATRIOT allegedly is about stopping terrorism.
Whatever you might say about PayPal and whether it was knowingly an accomplice or not, I can't figure out for the life of me how what they did could be construed to be terrorism.
Not only that, but do it with a package that works "best" on Windows, under Internet Exploder! (don't EVEN ask me about trying to get it to work with phoenix or mozilla or any other reasonable browser).
As someone who used NFS almost from its inception, I can assure you it was not a total disaster. It made possible a large number of things that would have been impossible with RFS, the only competing standard of the day.
Unless of course you mean the LINUX implementation of NFS, which it would be silly to blame Sun for; all early Linux NFS' were completely incompatable with anything else I could see.
And if it effects VPN as well, that grows the list of criminals because of business practice exponentially. Even if you don't have a proxy and multiple PCs, VPN is pretty common for people who work from home.
I should have noted that it should be obvious that our waffling on our own CLOSED source products is quite a bit more damaging to us and those products precisely because they are closed source. It would be pretty much impossible for our waffling to "stab in the back" any OSS project for the reasons already stated. That's where you descend into paranoia.
There seems to me to be a pretty clear difference between waffling and "stabbing in the back".
As for banking on support, you can't bank for absolute support of ANY OSS project. The leader may die, the lead team may have a huge hissy fit and split into a dozen conflicting groups, etc. etc. OSS is not a panacea to make things work seamlessly.
The fact is, Sun is donating effort on improving code, and even if we completely stop that tomorrow, the effort we have put into the code will remain there for others to use and continue to build on. That's the main point and strength of OSS, and Sun's waffling isn't going to make that go away.
On the "personal computing" front, I will defer to the very concise post that precedes mine responding to that point.
Honestly, I don't know of any system by any manufacturer that gets 5 9's "out of the box". Getting 5 9's or better requires things like HA clustering, rational patch management, change control and backup strategies, etc. A very large percentage of customers don't have some or all of those things deployed for a vast array of reasons, ranging from economic constraints to ignorance. That said, our current generation of servers do generally much better "out of the box" than the SC2000's of 7 & 8 years ago.
As for desktop use, I have seen sparc 20's and beyond used for desktops that have had easily as good a reliability record as you claim for your Linux boxes. At one point we had a pool going in the office to see whose desktop would be up the longest; I forget the exact winning time, but it was well over 365 days. Software crashes are uncommon, I can't recall the last time I had an outage on my U60 that wasn't a power failure. Desktop usage doesn't generally stress the capabilities of the OS or the hardware, and comparing the uptime of a desktop to a server like an SC2000 is really apples to oranges.
I will decline to comment on Linux on Sparc except to say it's a matter of debate and some controversy, for reasons that may be obvious.
They have been trashing personal computing for decades.
What exactly does that mean? We've been trashing Microsoft for a long time, that's personal computing, I guess. We sell big servers, so of course we have encouraged people to see the benefits of big servers over little ones (though we sell some little ones too). Sun's committment to GNOME is another example of somewhere we've spent a significant amount of time, money, effort to improve important things that were lacking in an OSS project. We're not there to harm GNOME, we're trying to help make it more usable and accessable. So give some hard facts of things we've done to harm an OSS project that you think qualifies as reason to accuse us of waiting to stab GNOME in the back, or take your paranoid fantasies somewhere else.
I'd modify his statement a little: if I'm going to use a non-free solution for this, it's going to be one that comes from a company with a reasonable security reputation, and a reasonable rights reputation. I.e. NOT microsoft, and definitely not some fly by night I've never heard of. I.e. Quicken.
Yes, we all have our issues with Intuit lately, but I have found that my copy of Quicken Deluxe 2000 works just fine 3 years later, I don't need all the online bells and whistles that would risk my data being exposed on the web, and it just works. Seems pretty simple to me.
If this app had been open source, so that someone could vett it and make sure it wasn't doing something sneaky, I'd have given it a shot, but the combination of no reputation and no visibility into the code means no dice. (And I have to say I feel pretty uncomfortable with "easy plugins" too).
Your post is only further proof that you don't know jack about Sun. If we were doing well sticking to the old method, we never would have travelled down this road in the first place.
It is my impression, though I am not speaking as a Sun PR/Marketing person or in any other official capacity, that we had pushback from customers on selling a "non-standard" linux, and so we have changed our direction only slightly, from "modified RedHat" to whatever distro or distros we end up pulling off the shelf without making modifications.
Most ISPs don't block these things,and a significant portion of those don't care unless you're eating huge bandwidth. Are you saying that law should be made for the most restrictive case because it doesn't hurt you? So I guess if you're some ethnic group, it's ok if other ethnic groups get rounded up in quarantine camps, since it doesn't effect you, right?
The hypocrisy is when you say "see he's a threat to his neighbors" because of something we encouraged him to do. That is completely independant of whether we ought to "clean up the mess" or not. It's not like we're standing up and actually saying "we helped create this monster, now we have to deal with him"; rather we're saying "we are pure and good, and must deal with this monster because no one else can." I call bullshit on that.
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Mozilla and phoenix and opera under windows. Not a one of them would take the installation. Perhaps some other info would be helpful: I did this very many months ago (>6), and at the time everything I read implied that there was no Linux version of the software; perhaps I was reading the wrong information.
I just want to know why the fuck everyone thinks I was talking about Linux.
look asshole, I was talking about under WINDOWS. Nowhere in my post did I even begin to mention Linux. And Yes. I DID try to make it work. For about 4 hours until I said Fuck it I don't need Invader Zim that badly.
Whatever you might say about PayPal and whether it was knowingly an accomplice or not, I can't figure out for the life of me how what they did could be construed to be terrorism.
go read paypalsucks.com
Good to know you're running Debian. I'm not.
Not only that, but do it with a package that works "best" on Windows, under Internet Exploder! (don't EVEN ask me about trying to get it to work with phoenix or mozilla or any other reasonable browser).
As someone who used NFS almost from its inception, I can assure you it was not a total disaster. It made possible a large number of things that would have been impossible with RFS, the only competing standard of the day.
Unless of course you mean the LINUX implementation of NFS, which it would be silly to blame Sun for; all early Linux NFS' were completely incompatable with anything else I could see.
If it can be "locked on" by me, it can be locked on by Herr Ashcroft, probably without even having to have a warrant.
If the user of the phone cannot turn the tracking features off, they're just handing "big brother" another tool to track them with.
And if it effects VPN as well, that grows the list of criminals because of business practice exponentially. Even if you don't have a proxy and multiple PCs, VPN is pretty common for people who work from home.
Same thing goes for my DVD player. Most people with DVD players got rid of the dedicated CD player a loooong time ago.
But see, only third party software actually has to use the documented interfaces to allocate memory, and so they're the only ones affected.
This "thinking" must be new for you.
I should have noted that it should be obvious that our waffling on our own CLOSED source products is quite a bit more damaging to us and those products precisely because they are closed source. It would be pretty much impossible for our waffling to "stab in the back" any OSS project for the reasons already stated. That's where you descend into paranoia.
As for banking on support, you can't bank for absolute support of ANY OSS project. The leader may die, the lead team may have a huge hissy fit and split into a dozen conflicting groups, etc. etc. OSS is not a panacea to make things work seamlessly.
The fact is, Sun is donating effort on improving code, and even if we completely stop that tomorrow, the effort we have put into the code will remain there for others to use and continue to build on. That's the main point and strength of OSS, and Sun's waffling isn't going to make that go away.
On the "personal computing" front, I will defer to the very concise post that precedes mine responding to that point.
As for desktop use, I have seen sparc 20's and beyond used for desktops that have had easily as good a reliability record as you claim for your Linux boxes. At one point we had a pool going in the office to see whose desktop would be up the longest; I forget the exact winning time, but it was well over 365 days. Software crashes are uncommon, I can't recall the last time I had an outage on my U60 that wasn't a power failure. Desktop usage doesn't generally stress the capabilities of the OS or the hardware, and comparing the uptime of a desktop to a server like an SC2000 is really apples to oranges.
I will decline to comment on Linux on Sparc except to say it's a matter of debate and some controversy, for reasons that may be obvious.
Yay, someone gets it!
What exactly does that mean? We've been trashing Microsoft for a long time, that's personal computing, I guess. We sell big servers, so of course we have encouraged people to see the benefits of big servers over little ones (though we sell some little ones too). Sun's committment to GNOME is another example of somewhere we've spent a significant amount of time, money, effort to improve important things that were lacking in an OSS project. We're not there to harm GNOME, we're trying to help make it more usable and accessable. So give some hard facts of things we've done to harm an OSS project that you think qualifies as reason to accuse us of waiting to stab GNOME in the back, or take your paranoid fantasies somewhere else.
It was very much like RedHat :-)
Yes, we all have our issues with Intuit lately, but I have found that my copy of Quicken Deluxe 2000 works just fine 3 years later, I don't need all the online bells and whistles that would risk my data being exposed on the web, and it just works. Seems pretty simple to me.
If this app had been open source, so that someone could vett it and make sure it wasn't doing something sneaky, I'd have given it a shot, but the combination of no reputation and no visibility into the code means no dice. (And I have to say I feel pretty uncomfortable with "easy plugins" too).
It is my impression, though I am not speaking as a Sun PR/Marketing person or in any other official capacity, that we had pushback from customers on selling a "non-standard" linux, and so we have changed our direction only slightly, from "modified RedHat" to whatever distro or distros we end up pulling off the shelf without making modifications.
Most ISPs don't block these things,and a significant portion of those don't care unless you're eating huge bandwidth. Are you saying that law should be made for the most restrictive case because it doesn't hurt you? So I guess if you're some ethnic group, it's ok if other ethnic groups get rounded up in quarantine camps, since it doesn't effect you, right?
I thought that this problem was resolved by the "who's paid for dinner" scenario.
The hypocrisy is when you say "see he's a threat to his neighbors" because of something we encouraged him to do. That is completely independant of whether we ought to "clean up the mess" or not. It's not like we're standing up and actually saying "we helped create this monster, now we have to deal with him"; rather we're saying "we are pure and good, and must deal with this monster because no one else can." I call bullshit on that.