We tried installing the software on a number of different systems -- from older Pentium III-based PCs to the latest and greatest Xeon server hardware -- and experienced lots of basic compatibility problems.
So maybe if you looked at what was claimed for compatability, and tested THE CLAIMS instead of whatever you had lying around, you'd actually get something like real results...
Nah, then you couldn't bash Solaris for not being Linux.
Seems to me that there was some commentary that some kernel developers still submit things as patches rather than in any proprietary format. If that's true, it blows the shit out of this argument.
You completely missed the point. It's called a "rhetorical question" and it's intent was to point out that Adams' own work could easily be pegged by those two same criticisms.
I don't necessarily disagree, but I am not sure it's that simple or even relevant. Note that the poster was really commenting on pollution, not efficiency.
I really don't care about the justification for the bitching, I'm just saying that asserting that particular difference between GPL and copyright is specious.
GPL programs don't come with encumbered software that will secretly install itself on your machine to ensure that you keep the GPL
While nowhere near as draconian as this real example from the world of CDs, I think the bitching from the kernel that this is not a GPL module and now the kernel is tainted is in the same category of behavior.
Yeah, that's why Microsoft scales to...let's see...8 cpus or so (or was it maybe 16 more recently?), and Solaris scales to...128+. Yeah, I'd say those are functionally equivalent.
Yeah. Tell me again who's providing the dry pairs for the DSL providers? Cable is legitimately a competitor, but competition of two hardly counts. And I have yet to hear of a wireless provider in City Of Chicago that has any decent reach. I understand that Sprint debacle with the antenna on top of the Sears Tower requires line of sight, which isn't going to do much. There are probably other extremely localized providers, but just because someone claims to provide broadband "for Chicago" doesn't mean I can get it here. Hell, friends in the 'burbs were told for years they were Just About To Get Cable Modem In Their Area, but only got it about a year ago. And don't get me started about the guy who keeps getting calls from SBC about DSL and has to remind THEM that he's behind some wiring extension that breaks it.
Now, tell me exactly how much real competition there is among the private telecoms? Let's see, my local wired provider in Chicago is....SBC Ameritech! Hm. Who else? Nobody whose name I know, that's for sure.
I have DSL. Not SBC DSL either. But guess who provides the wire for that, too? Yep.
Where is that competition? Oh...I get it. You mean that if they have to face competition, they'll go out of business. About Damn Time, I'd say.
Horse Hockey. The only "unreadable" languages are the ones designed to be so. Perl is not. I can write just as much line noise crap in PHP as anyone ever did in Perl, especially given that they have perl regular expressions built in...
And that's just one segment of one of dozens of little files running around in my.gnome2 directory. Doesn't look like any XML I've ever seen.
I suppose that perhaps they DID reimplement using XML in the latest releases, but I'm not a "keep up with the Joneses" kind of guy. If they HAVE reimplemented, then you might have said so. But in the bad old 2.0 days, it was utter crap.
Guess what? Firefox needs a hiirarchical (note correct spelling) configuration system too, and didn't have to resort to the abomination that is the GNOME Registry Reimplementation. I'm sorry, but duplicating ALL the HORRIBLE non-features of such a NON TRANSPARENT configuration system was a really stupid move. There are plenty of ways to manage hierarchical data without resorting to such utter performance hogging shit.
And there's nothing better than "oops, something screwed up my registry, gotta delete it and start from zero."
True true. That (effectively curses based) LEM program I wrote all those years ago would have been prohibitively expensive on a timeshare even. Not to mention Star Trek:)
I cut my teeth on CDOS which was Cromemco's rip (or license) of CP/M. I still prefer it to DOS, but none of 'em hold a candle to the REAL OS of the last 35 years: Unix:-)
So tell me, what vendors don't tell you to patch to current levels before they'll invest a lot of time in your problem? I have to tell you, there's no fun like troubleshooting for hours only to find if you'd applied the latest patch your problem would be resolved. It might be a good idea for someone to point to a specific bug in a patch that appears relevant, but I can't see expecting much more until you've demonstrated that you'll work your end of the problem.
Beyond that, I know personally of many cases where Sun customers provided good reasons why they could not upgrade patches, and had the field people work with them just fine. Been like that for the last 10 years I'm aware of at least. Call center people tend to be less flexible, but that is also pretty universal.
When it does not, you are almost on your own, no matter how much you are paying for support
BS. You've obviously got a big chip on your shoulder. Sun is far more responsive than any of their main competitors/"partners" in the data center space.
With Sun you are lost if your problem is not one of their priorities.
And this is different from getting a bug fixed in firefox or Gnome how?
You might be saying that. A vast and very vocal group of religionists all claim that they have been told directly what God really is. Problem is, some of them have been told very different things from others of them, and even if they didn't have us athiests and agnostics to deride, they'd be killing each other, as they have been for millennia.
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Funny, I'd say the same thing about vi commands.....and they're fewer keystrokes.
If that one-pager counts as comprehensive, I'm Bill Gates.
So maybe if you looked at what was claimed for compatability, and tested THE CLAIMS instead of whatever you had lying around, you'd actually get something like real results...
Nah, then you couldn't bash Solaris for not being Linux.
For definitions of "several" that add up to "two". And one of those was court mandated, so it's unclear whether "several" ought maybe be "one".
Why fight when it's easier and cheaper to turn it into a PR nightmare for Nikon?
You're shouting at the rain. Don't you know this is sun-bashing central?
Seems to me that there was some commentary that some kernel developers still submit things as patches rather than in any proprietary format. If that's true, it blows the shit out of this argument.
You completely missed the point. It's called a "rhetorical question" and it's intent was to point out that Adams' own work could easily be pegged by those two same criticisms.
I don't necessarily disagree, but I am not sure it's that simple or even relevant. Note that the poster was really commenting on pollution, not efficiency.
I really don't care about the justification for the bitching, I'm just saying that asserting that particular difference between GPL and copyright is specious.
While nowhere near as draconian as this real example from the world of CDs, I think the bitching from the kernel that this is not a GPL module and now the kernel is tainted is in the same category of behavior.
Yeah, that's why Microsoft scales to...let's see...8 cpus or so (or was it maybe 16 more recently?), and Solaris scales to...128+. Yeah, I'd say those are functionally equivalent.
That's not normalization, it's compression.
Yeah. Tell me again who's providing the dry pairs for the DSL providers? Cable is legitimately a competitor, but competition of two hardly counts. And I have yet to hear of a wireless provider in City Of Chicago that has any decent reach. I understand that Sprint debacle with the antenna on top of the Sears Tower requires line of sight, which isn't going to do much. There are probably other extremely localized providers, but just because someone claims to provide broadband "for Chicago" doesn't mean I can get it here. Hell, friends in the 'burbs were told for years they were Just About To Get Cable Modem In Their Area, but only got it about a year ago. And don't get me started about the guy who keeps getting calls from SBC about DSL and has to remind THEM that he's behind some wiring extension that breaks it.
Hahahahahahahahahaha >coff<
Now, tell me exactly how much real competition there is among the private telecoms? Let's see, my local wired provider in Chicago is....SBC Ameritech! Hm. Who else? Nobody whose name I know, that's for sure.
I have DSL. Not SBC DSL either. But guess who provides the wire for that, too? Yep.
Where is that competition? Oh...I get it. You mean that if they have to face competition, they'll go out of business. About Damn Time, I'd say.
Horse Hockey. The only "unreadable" languages are the ones designed to be so. Perl is not. I can write just as much line noise crap in PHP as anyone ever did in Perl, especially given that they have perl regular expressions built in...
Really?
And that's just one segment of one of dozens of little files running around in myI suppose that perhaps they DID reimplement using XML in the latest releases, but I'm not a "keep up with the Joneses" kind of guy. If they HAVE reimplemented, then you might have said so. But in the bad old 2.0 days, it was utter crap.
I'm not objecting to DISPLAY, I'm objecting to IMPLEMENTATION. So one could advise you to read MY post again, eh?
And there's nothing better than "oops, something screwed up my registry, gotta delete it and start from zero."
Get rid of the horrendously evil clone of the Windows Registry.
True true. That (effectively curses based) LEM program I wrote all those years ago would have been prohibitively expensive on a timeshare even. Not to mention Star Trek :)
I cut my teeth on CDOS which was Cromemco's rip (or license) of CP/M. I still prefer it to DOS, but none of 'em hold a candle to the REAL OS of the last 35 years: Unix :-)
Beyond that, I know personally of many cases where Sun customers provided good reasons why they could not upgrade patches, and had the field people work with them just fine. Been like that for the last 10 years I'm aware of at least. Call center people tend to be less flexible, but that is also pretty universal.
BS. You've obviously got a big chip on your shoulder. Sun is far more responsive than any of their main competitors/"partners" in the data center space.
With Sun you are lost if your problem is not one of their priorities.
And this is different from getting a bug fixed in firefox or Gnome how?
You might be saying that. A vast and very vocal group of religionists all claim that they have been told directly what God really is. Problem is, some of them have been told very different things from others of them, and even if they didn't have us athiests and agnostics to deride, they'd be killing each other, as they have been for millennia.