That's some amazing mind-reading power you have there to know what my ass is doing. So sad you don't like people telling others to quit whining on slashdot and actually do something.
Those hardware manufacturers are ignoring the fact that 60 percent of their potential customers are using Linux in some capacity, and could be considering Linux compatibility for every purchase of PC hardware.
Fortunately, the market goes where the money is, which is why Linux is succeeding, despite your best attempts at spreading FUD.
Leaving aside the fact that I'm not spreading FUD, I'm simply describing what I see (and I'm not arguing that windows SHOULD win either, but don't let that get in the way of your magical mind reading prowess). SO either the market isn't going where the money is (which flies in the face of all expected market behavior) OR y'all aren't providing enough money to make it worth their while. Q.E.D.
I can't believe that a comment as clueless as yours was modded up
Yet here you are, just as clueless! I'm sorry that the real world is not a happy friendly let's-all-get-along place. It'd be a lot nicer if it were. But the fact is, here and now, short term profits drive 90% of western society in one way or another. To ignore that reality is stupid.
As for what's happening in the market, you need to get real ifyou think I was saying anything other than "money talks, put yours where your mouth is".
Corporations should be able to do anything and everything to make a buck, and unless enough consumers can organize a large enough boycott to hurt them financially, *AND* be lucky enough that the morons running the company realize this is why they are hurting financially, nothing should be done about it?
Take your ridiculous words and shove them into someone else's mouth.
Corporations are given their charters to benefit society.
Oh, that's right, it's Troll Tuesday, I forgot. What a laughable statement. While I'd agree it'd be nice if that were true in the real world, sadly it isn't the way it is.
You haven't named a single feature that fits your original claim. Nice job.
A network stack DIFFERENCE certainly could be significant. But that's not a feature that Linux has and Solaris doesn't. They differ, but both have them.
Not having something is not a feature, no matter how desperately you'd like it to be.
Yes, you can manually install more or less a complete Linux userspace to get the usable tools
I have to "manually install" lots of things from Red Hat to get the environment I want too (can you say "telnet"?) Solaris 10 includes the vast majority of commonly used F/OSS software on the distribution media. How that's any harder than the media for Red Hat or SuSE is a mystery to me.
even if your vendors dies, you are pretty much guanteed not to be completely screwed.
So basically the fact that it's now OSS and you could maintain it yourself means nothing? I thought that was one of the reasons everyone has been bitching at Sun to GO OSS for years now.
"Joe Hacker" is meant in terms of the "typical" Linux hacker, who has time and energy and drive to customize his/her OS to the Nth degree. 90% of the world is not like that, and clearly those people don't drive all or even most of the purchasing decisions out there, else Linux would have already taken over the world. Now, is Solaris usable for most "normal" users? Yes. Does it have some good features for developers? Yes. Is it the perfectly tweaked Nth degree perfection of the Linux vision? No, if it were, it'd be Linux.
You're just a dog in the manger. Don't like it? Don't use it. Go somewhere else, because Sun's not hurting you, and you're clearly not interested in being part of the Sun community. Ignore Sun and let them die, if you're so certain that's their fate.
Because, you know, you can always judge someone by their posting on slashdot. Your filter is a bit fine, methinks. But don't let that stop you from feeling all toasty warm and nice because you can flame someone from behind the safety of your keyboard.
So, tell me exactly which features are in Linux/FreeBSD/etc that I don't have or can't get for Solaris? Assertion that my statement is not true doesn't prove a damn thing.
Does Solaris want to be the hacker's desktop OS? I really doubt it. Does Solaris want to be an OSS player in the data center? Absolutely. And for data center features, Solaris does very well against the competitors. If you think Sun's OSS strategy is to get joe hacker to run his OS, of course you're going to be disappointed, because you just don't get it yourself.
So basically he's saying any open source OS is not worth shit? Bet that will go down really well with RMS and company.
Just because Sun decided to make $80m worth of software OSS doesn't mean it has no value. And breaking and entering to get/test software doesn't really speak well for one's "good intentions". Now that it's OSS, feel free to get and analyze it any way you like. Doesn't change the fact that it was breaking and entering to get it back in the day.
rc.d? I see those on my Solaris system too. Don't you mean "rc.boot" and "rc.local"?? The "init.d" method has a master that runs subscripts from rc*.d directories too, so I fail to see how that's any different.
SMF is going to be a head check for a lot of people who LIKE init.d/rc.d (though backward compatability with that has been retained so far). Myself, I like the fact that it's more robust and faster, and I don't like the fact that it's managed with a handful of different commands depending on what you want to do. And I'm not terribly thrilled that the backend is XML, but you'll have that.
I'm sure there are some ideas that can be borrowed...
Let's see...you can use a free (enough?) OS that had these features developed for it, or you can try to port them to some other OS and be that much further behind the development curve. Why would you do that to yourself?
Of course the people who are most dead weight at this point (after several RIFs) are the ones who have the best entrenched fiefdoms. While I can wish that the next RIF will be the one that axes the idiots, I'm tired of holding my breath for it.
And even some non-former employees see the same thing. I hope that all the pie in the sky being sold about this acquisition internally is right, but I'm not holding my breath either.
his ability to "manage a herd of cats" and his basic copyright.
Don't underestimate how important both of those are...:-)
in the case of Sun, stupid, or in the case of Gates, malicious and greedy.
And here we actually agree about something. Sun definitely does plenty of stupid things (and I'm an employee). Of course, many other companies do stupid things as well, and some of us try to stop the stupid before it gets out of hand. Which is why I take such umbrage to "evil".
I think the real point is not to trust ANY person with power, in which case, that's actually good advice. Nonetheless, "not trusting" is not the same as "is evil".
BTW "person with power" == Linus, RMS, Red Hat as well as Sun, IBM, etc. If you blindly follow ANY leader, you're a fool.
But clearly the zealots can't get it through their thick heads that demonizing Sun, or IBM, or BitKeeper is no different from demonizing RMS and the FSF. Just as not-reality-based.
sure that football (cc) will be there when you need to kick it
Cite me one place where Sun said the BSD cc would be in the OS forever.
Stupid assumptions on your part don't make Sun the bad guy. You might also let me know what other vendor was shipping a full featured cc with their OS at that time....as I recall the answer was none.
You better wash your hands of all that evil-supported GNU software then. Oh wait, you mean you didn't realize that without Sun and Solaris that 90% of the FSF software suite wouldn't have had a development platform, back in the day?
Of course it's because vi is the default and you HAVE to know it to do things at certain points in the lifecycle of your system. Some people like to build addition on their houses, others don't. Don't try to make it a religious argument, eh?
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not having a bug is not a feature. Otherwise every program ever written would be a mass of amazing features.
That's some amazing mind-reading power you have there to know what my ass is doing. So sad you don't like people telling others to quit whining on slashdot and actually do something.
Fortunately, the market goes where the money is, which is why Linux is succeeding, despite your best attempts at spreading FUD.
Leaving aside the fact that I'm not spreading FUD, I'm simply describing what I see (and I'm not arguing that windows SHOULD win either, but don't let that get in the way of your magical mind reading prowess). SO either the market isn't going where the money is (which flies in the face of all expected market behavior) OR y'all aren't providing enough money to make it worth their while. Q.E.D.
Yet here you are, just as clueless! I'm sorry that the real world is not a happy friendly let's-all-get-along place. It'd be a lot nicer if it were. But the fact is, here and now, short term profits drive 90% of western society in one way or another. To ignore that reality is stupid.
As for what's happening in the market, you need to get real ifyou think I was saying anything other than "money talks, put yours where your mouth is".
Take your ridiculous words and shove them into someone else's mouth.
Corporations are given their charters to benefit society.
Oh, that's right, it's Troll Tuesday, I forgot. What a laughable statement. While I'd agree it'd be nice if that were true in the real world, sadly it isn't the way it is.
That's great. Keep on doing it.
A network stack DIFFERENCE certainly could be significant. But that's not a feature that Linux has and Solaris doesn't. They differ, but both have them.
Not having something is not a feature, no matter how desperately you'd like it to be.
Yes, you can manually install more or less a complete Linux userspace to get the usable tools
I have to "manually install" lots of things from Red Hat to get the environment I want too (can you say "telnet"?) Solaris 10 includes the vast majority of commonly used F/OSS software on the distribution media. How that's any harder than the media for Red Hat or SuSE is a mystery to me.
even if your vendors dies, you are pretty much guanteed not to be completely screwed.
So basically the fact that it's now OSS and you could maintain it yourself means nothing? I thought that was one of the reasons everyone has been bitching at Sun to GO OSS for years now.
"Joe Hacker" is meant in terms of the "typical" Linux hacker, who has time and energy and drive to customize his/her OS to the Nth degree. 90% of the world is not like that, and clearly those people don't drive all or even most of the purchasing decisions out there, else Linux would have already taken over the world. Now, is Solaris usable for most "normal" users? Yes. Does it have some good features for developers? Yes. Is it the perfectly tweaked Nth degree perfection of the Linux vision? No, if it were, it'd be Linux.
You're just a dog in the manger. Don't like it? Don't use it. Go somewhere else, because Sun's not hurting you, and you're clearly not interested in being part of the Sun community. Ignore Sun and let them die, if you're so certain that's their fate.
Because, you know, you can always judge someone by their posting on slashdot. Your filter is a bit fine, methinks. But don't let that stop you from feeling all toasty warm and nice because you can flame someone from behind the safety of your keyboard.
Goody for you. When you and your friends who think like you are enough of a market share for them to care, their practices will change. Have fun.
Does Solaris want to be the hacker's desktop OS? I really doubt it. Does Solaris want to be an OSS player in the data center? Absolutely. And for data center features, Solaris does very well against the competitors. If you think Sun's OSS strategy is to get joe hacker to run his OS, of course you're going to be disappointed, because you just don't get it yourself.
Just because Sun decided to make $80m worth of software OSS doesn't mean it has no value. And breaking and entering to get/test software doesn't really speak well for one's "good intentions". Now that it's OSS, feel free to get and analyze it any way you like. Doesn't change the fact that it was breaking and entering to get it back in the day.
SMF is going to be a head check for a lot of people who LIKE init.d/rc.d (though backward compatability with that has been retained so far). Myself, I like the fact that it's more robust and faster, and I don't like the fact that it's managed with a handful of different commands depending on what you want to do. And I'm not terribly thrilled that the backend is XML, but you'll have that.
Let's see...you can use a free (enough?) OS that had these features developed for it, or you can try to port them to some other OS and be that much further behind the development curve. Why would you do that to yourself?
What, you don't think that proxy server logs things too? Come on. That's a basic obvious leak that needs to be plugged!
And which one is easier to use?
Of course the people who are most dead weight at this point (after several RIFs) are the ones who have the best entrenched fiefdoms. While I can wish that the next RIF will be the one that axes the idiots, I'm tired of holding my breath for it.
And even some non-former employees see the same thing. I hope that all the pie in the sky being sold about this acquisition internally is right, but I'm not holding my breath either.
Don't underestimate how important both of those are... :-)
in the case of Sun, stupid, or in the case of Gates, malicious and greedy.
And here we actually agree about something. Sun definitely does plenty of stupid things (and I'm an employee). Of course, many other companies do stupid things as well, and some of us try to stop the stupid before it gets out of hand. Which is why I take such umbrage to "evil".
I think the real point is not to trust ANY person with power, in which case, that's actually good advice. Nonetheless, "not trusting" is not the same as "is evil".
BTW "person with power" == Linus, RMS, Red Hat as well as Sun, IBM, etc. If you blindly follow ANY leader, you're a fool.
But clearly the zealots can't get it through their thick heads that demonizing Sun, or IBM, or BitKeeper is no different from demonizing RMS and the FSF. Just as not-reality-based.
Regardless of what could have been, I referred specifically to what actually happened.
Cite me one place where Sun said the BSD cc would be in the OS forever.
Stupid assumptions on your part don't make Sun the bad guy. You might also let me know what other vendor was shipping a full featured cc with their OS at that time....as I recall the answer was none.
You better wash your hands of all that evil-supported GNU software then. Oh wait, you mean you didn't realize that without Sun and Solaris that 90% of the FSF software suite wouldn't have had a development platform, back in the day?
Didn't think you did.
Given your own level of politeness, I think we're about on par.
Or can't you read?
Of course it's because vi is the default and you HAVE to know it to do things at certain points in the lifecycle of your system. Some people like to build addition on their houses, others don't. Don't try to make it a religious argument, eh?