From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC_Aerospace_Systems):
"Ithaco became notable for having manufactured the reaction wheels of the Kepler spacecraft, the Hayabusa spacecraft, the Mesosphere Energetics and Dynamics (TIMED) satellite and the Dawn spacecraft, which developed problems or even failed"
May its name live in infamy.
http://science.slashdot.org/st...
Sort of. It was a token amount to try to keep the critics in Congress happy while they keep the gravy train going for the SLS and Orion and ISS and other manned pork. It was like, "See we are actually serious about Planetary Science, we just funded a Europa mission." Of course, they are not serious.
Unfortunately there are two version of NASA. The real science in the Science Directorate (i.e. JPL) and the manned pork. NASA should be split or management should be shook up so that there is equal representation from JPL; right now it is all ex-astronauts and pilots.
Why is it that $17 million was spent on a space toilet for the ISS while a Europa mission only gets $15 million (in 2015 and less before that)? Seems to me that NASA's priorities are badly skewed toward manned missions, eh?
By "shenanigans" I think the poster wants to get you take on the endless delays and defunding of this mission by NASA HQ in Houston so the that money could be used for manned mission pork projects like the Rocket to Nowhere (SLS).
So what do you think about the announcement from the Bolden that there will be no more Flagship Missions from JPL? Why is NASA HQ always trying to poach funds from Planetary Science?
I see no mention of the highly successful missions by NASA / JPL such as the Mars rovers and the Pluto & Ceres missions.
All Bolden cares about is the manned pork missions that accomplish nothing scientifically. Of course, since is an ex-astronaut....
There are two NASA's:
1) There is the pork-laded manned mission NASA out of Houston with power friends on Capital Hill. Their mission is to keep the pork flowing for things like the ISS and the Space Launch System. Bolden is a Houston guy
2) Science: This is the Science Directorate which is JPL out of Pasadena. They are the guys who actually do scientifically meaningful missions such as the rovers on Mars or the Cassini orbiter around Saturn or the probes reaching Pluto and Ceres next year. They are politically weak and constantly have to fight Houston to restore their funding which is always being poached for pork. Carl Sagan started the Planetary Society to stop the poaching but it is stronger than ever.
Why should we have to be paid to be spied on? The Gov is going to spy on us, give us free access.
Someday we will all be required to carry Stalin's Dream (cell phones - for our own protection) and we will be required to pay for that also.
"Man marks the earth with ruin; his control
Stops with the shore; upon the watery plain
The wrecks are all thy deed,"
We are still kidding ourselves if we think we can control the sea
The solution to the Pioneer anomaly is soooo much more boring than the alternative, speculative theories. I will never forgive the Planetary Society for ruining my dreams of MoND theory.
Based on recent actions, if Congress gave NASA the money, NASA would divert it to manned space pork. Congress want planetary science to continue at NASA, but NASA and the Administration seemed determined to kill it.
The whole reason Carl Sagan and Bruce Murray started the Planetary Society was to stop the poaching of funds from planetary science (such as a Europa mission) to fuel manned spaceflights. Sagan must be rolling in his grave now: http://www.planetary.org/blogs...
Europa is constantly being resurfaced and even has a for of tectonics in which fresh brine water is brought to the surface like the mid-ocean ridges on Earth. Also there are plumes and other ways that the ocean water gets to the surface.
Show me the article that says this. At this point we have to assume that the plume are similar to the plume on Enceladus and coming from the ocean.
And even if it was near-surface melts, the ice originally derived from the ocean and thus, because of the constant re-surfacing of Europa, it would still have organics, if there are organics in the ocean.
So MrSquid; why are all your post negative? [I think I know why...]
Yup, NASA has been planing this for a decade at least. The latest design, the Europa Clipper seems like the most sensible, but NASA does not want to fork over the $2b it would cost for the mission so they fiddle and fuss and pretend that they are serious.
If the Clipper was fully funded today, it would get to Europa in 2027.
Some expenses:
--Space Station: the estimates start at roughly $35 billion — which is what the Government Accountability Office says Congress has appropriated for the station project since 1985 (PDF file) — and rise to $100 billion, which is roughly what the GAO said would be the total cost "to develop, assemble and operate" the station (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/14505278/ns/technology_and_science-space/)
--The Space Shuttle Endeavour, the orbiter built to replace the Space Shuttle Challenger, cost approximately $1.7 billion.
--Launching the Space Shuttle is about $450 million per mission
--The MSL Mars rover ~$1.8 to build and another ~.5b or so to launch and run.
--The two MER Mars rovers: $800 million
--Second toilet for the Space Station (purchased from the Russians): $17 million.
--Amount of money allocated to the Europa Missions in 2015: $15 million.
Slashdot Mirror
From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC_Aerospace_Systems): "Ithaco became notable for having manufactured the reaction wheels of the Kepler spacecraft, the Hayabusa spacecraft, the Mesosphere Energetics and Dynamics (TIMED) satellite and the Dawn spacecraft, which developed problems or even failed" May its name live in infamy. http://science.slashdot.org/st...
Long hours, lots of stress, and treated like crap by management.....
Sort of. It was a token amount to try to keep the critics in Congress happy while they keep the gravy train going for the SLS and Orion and ISS and other manned pork. It was like, "See we are actually serious about Planetary Science, we just funded a Europa mission." Of course, they are not serious. Unfortunately there are two version of NASA. The real science in the Science Directorate (i.e. JPL) and the manned pork. NASA should be split or management should be shook up so that there is equal representation from JPL; right now it is all ex-astronauts and pilots.
Why is it that $17 million was spent on a space toilet for the ISS while a Europa mission only gets $15 million (in 2015 and less before that)? Seems to me that NASA's priorities are badly skewed toward manned missions, eh?
By "shenanigans" I think the poster wants to get you take on the endless delays and defunding of this mission by NASA HQ in Houston so the that money could be used for manned mission pork projects like the Rocket to Nowhere (SLS).
So what do you think about the announcement from the Bolden that there will be no more Flagship Missions from JPL? Why is NASA HQ always trying to poach funds from Planetary Science?
I see no mention of the highly successful missions by NASA / JPL such as the Mars rovers and the Pluto & Ceres missions. All Bolden cares about is the manned pork missions that accomplish nothing scientifically. Of course, since is an ex-astronaut....
There are two NASA's: 1) There is the pork-laded manned mission NASA out of Houston with power friends on Capital Hill. Their mission is to keep the pork flowing for things like the ISS and the Space Launch System. Bolden is a Houston guy 2) Science: This is the Science Directorate which is JPL out of Pasadena. They are the guys who actually do scientifically meaningful missions such as the rovers on Mars or the Cassini orbiter around Saturn or the probes reaching Pluto and Ceres next year. They are politically weak and constantly have to fight Houston to restore their funding which is always being poached for pork. Carl Sagan started the Planetary Society to stop the poaching but it is stronger than ever.
So the greater the threat, the more funding they get so the results are not too surprising.
Why should we have to be paid to be spied on? The Gov is going to spy on us, give us free access. Someday we will all be required to carry Stalin's Dream (cell phones - for our own protection) and we will be required to pay for that also.
They never die. VLSI, baby
Typeface work is an addictive drug for mathematicians. Look at the decade lost by Knuth on this....ugh.
A lot of unhappy programmers....
"Man marks the earth with ruin; his control Stops with the shore; upon the watery plain The wrecks are all thy deed," We are still kidding ourselves if we think we can control the sea
They must be salivating at this prospect....
How can a black hole swallow a star if the star's clock slows to a stop as it approaches the event horizon?
Name one thing he has done....not all at once there [crickets...]
The solution to the Pioneer anomaly is soooo much more boring than the alternative, speculative theories. I will never forgive the Planetary Society for ruining my dreams of MoND theory.
Not even close. The International Space Station flying pork machine cost 150 billion, a large part of which was supplied by the USA.
Based on recent actions, if Congress gave NASA the money, NASA would divert it to manned space pork. Congress want planetary science to continue at NASA, but NASA and the Administration seemed determined to kill it. The whole reason Carl Sagan and Bruce Murray started the Planetary Society was to stop the poaching of funds from planetary science (such as a Europa mission) to fuel manned spaceflights. Sagan must be rolling in his grave now: http://www.planetary.org/blogs...
The Bush admin was responsible for a lot of current missions such as the Curiosity Rover on Mars. Obama Admin? Nothing.
Europa is constantly being resurfaced and even has a for of tectonics in which fresh brine water is brought to the surface like the mid-ocean ridges on Earth. Also there are plumes and other ways that the ocean water gets to the surface.
Show me the article that says this. At this point we have to assume that the plume are similar to the plume on Enceladus and coming from the ocean. And even if it was near-surface melts, the ice originally derived from the ocean and thus, because of the constant re-surfacing of Europa, it would still have organics, if there are organics in the ocean. So MrSquid; why are all your post negative? [I think I know why...]
Yup, NASA has been planing this for a decade at least. The latest design, the Europa Clipper seems like the most sensible, but NASA does not want to fork over the $2b it would cost for the mission so they fiddle and fuss and pretend that they are serious. If the Clipper was fully funded today, it would get to Europa in 2027.
Some expenses: --Space Station: the estimates start at roughly $35 billion — which is what the Government Accountability Office says Congress has appropriated for the station project since 1985 (PDF file) — and rise to $100 billion, which is roughly what the GAO said would be the total cost "to develop, assemble and operate" the station (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/14505278/ns/technology_and_science-space/) --The Space Shuttle Endeavour, the orbiter built to replace the Space Shuttle Challenger, cost approximately $1.7 billion. --Launching the Space Shuttle is about $450 million per mission --The MSL Mars rover ~$1.8 to build and another ~.5b or so to launch and run. --The two MER Mars rovers: $800 million --Second toilet for the Space Station (purchased from the Russians): $17 million. --Amount of money allocated to the Europa Missions in 2015: $15 million.