> Many US based companies employ child labor in other countries. It would be nice if they would stop doing that. There will always be companies that will use child labor to make their products. All individuals can do is refuse to buy $200 shoes from a company that produced them for $0.16 by using child labor and let others know what is happening as well.
It "would be nice"? How about we fine them! Companies have been sued in the US for abominable labor practices in other countries, there is not "it would be nice if...", the government's job is to enforce the laws and the laws don't allow you to do whatever you want because your in foobar country.
Citizens not buying certain products would be great, but that doesn't eliminate the responsibility of our own government.
> Ford could easily build tanks for the US and then sell the same tanks to one of the US's enemies if it wishes.
No, not really. As a US based corporation, there's a list of countries they're not allowed to trade with. So your point is not valid in that sense, they can't do whatever they please, they still have to abide by our laws, specially our *TRADE* laws
Yahoo is a US based corporation, thus they need to avoide by our law. A case can be made against them if they're found helping violate human rights in another country, and I really hope someone makes that case.
Also we can start imposing new laws on these corporations of our own whenever they do this, after all they have to "abide by our laws".
And look, it's great that you're making the argument for more US corporations being able to freely and with no worry help suppress other populations. That's real progress!!!
> Do you really believe that corporations or governments exist to help people?
Not really, but I do expect US based corporations to uphold a higher standard and not collaborate in human right violations.
If I take your view to the extreme, then there was no problem with IBM and the Nazis collaborating in the gas chambers, or the US wouldn't care if it's corporations employ child or slave labor. After all "Corporations don't exist to make the world a better place".
I'm not talking about US law, but yes, Yahoo is a US based company and can't directly violate certain laws.
Please read a bit more, if a country decides that they don't believe in copyright, you think the US is going to do nothing about it?
What if a corporation goes to a country were they can employ slave labor or have sweatshops with subhuman conditions. Is this allowed? Aren't these US based companies liable back here in the states?
I'm arguing that we should IMPOSE on them a basic set of human rights, and I don't see what's wrong with that, specially when China is making absurd demands on our corporations in the first place.
So what's your excuse for Yahoo, MSN and google filtering words that suppress basic political freedoms? Do they also say : "We need to restrict the word 'freedom' because it's being used for criminal intent'?
Let's not have a narrow vision here, this is just another step in a series of circumstances were these corporations are helping China supress their citizens.
Cisco has been accussed of providing even more filtering and monitoring technology, and in that case, it's very hard to see your "we're just searching for criminals" loophole.
However, that's a great excuse, I'm sure the Nazis used that one with IBM. Oh yeah, we just need tabulating equipment to er... keep tabs on all our criminals in our jails... yes that's it.
It's not funny, and has nothing to do with the article. Basically the AC is saying, I don't care about Chinese journalist being jailed and US corporations helping to jail them.
> Just cause we in the west dont like it doesnt mean Yahoo could get away with NOT providing info. Reporters should know they are treading dangerously, after all they ARE in a communist country.
What a great attitude, the journalist should have known better! In other words, we need less independent journalism in China and the world, so these pesky journalist don't get in the way of the "state"!
I don't expect US corporations to impose US laws on foreign soil, but perhaps we can at least expect them to respect a basic set of human rights standards.
It's not acceptable that these US based coporations become collaborators in the persecution of dissidents in another country. It's not acceptable for them to concede to ridiculous demands of filtering workds like "Freedom" or "Taiwan". It's not acceptable at all.
If these corporations want to ignore these basic human rights standards, let them go and base their HQ in China instead. They're not doing anybody any favors by helping repress the Chinese people.
We were told that more trade and more interaction with China would bring greater freedom. We were lied to.
It's very simple, if you can't imagine people paying an additional $15 to play your game, guess what, offer a cheaper and better alternative!
I for one am in the category of people who would like to play some of these games just a bit, and don't have the time to spend so many hours on this. However, if they would drop these montlhly payment schemes or charge a much lower fee, they would attract a lot of people.
Intead of doing that, we get an article saying how this game doesn't let other games compete in the market. Geez!
Don't use GET to modify application state!
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The problem is not google, is the way your app is designed!
In HTTP, anything which does not have side-effects should use GET
If somebody visited your site with a pre-fetching tool like the google web accelerator, you will also find the "delete" button being checked automatically like this. Change those deletes to use POST instead.
Use any other protocol and it's going to be block, reducing it's adoption.
If you want it to "push" data to your client, that's even worse because then you have to poke holes in firewalls to talk to each client, so these feeds will most likely not work behind any corporate firewall.
1. UI constantly flashes/blinks while refreshign. Ex: switching between folders, watch the tree. Or when you popup a new window (like send).
2. Right click doesn't work all the time. Folder tree has a "right click for more options" but it doesn't work in Firefox.
3. Lack of good progress indication. Waiting and transferring messages from your browser are not good indicators.
4. Awkward attachment interface.
5. Incorrectly rendered menus. Click on the "Size" menu for "new message" and in Firefox the text renders outside the menu's border! If you go to another window while the menu is "popped up", it doesn't go away!
6. Bad button sensitivity. Undo button is NOT greyed out when you can't undo, bold button does not looked "pressed" when you are in already bold area (it has a non standard L&F border around it)
7. Horrible "insert image" interface. Just use it with a local image.
8. Can't drag and drop local images (just remote ones).
9. Browser right click menu. What do the browser actions mean in the "new message" window (back, reload, etc? they don't make any sense).
10. Incorrect window titles. Some of them just say "Mozilla firefox", and they don't change as I type the subject header line.
11. Are there any dialogs in this app? No dialogs that stay on top of application windows (look at about dialog), no modal dialogs either.
12. I can't use it with other mail servers. The is the worst offense when compared against other desktop mail apps.
There's more, hey, it's not a bad app, but it doesn't really compare against even most basic email desktop client programs. Maybe you meant to say you like the icons or something?
You just ignored the point of the parent post by coming up with censorship at schools and libraries, which does not compare in the least with the type of censorship the Chinese government has been implementing.
The point of the parent poster is that you have no point, in the US, there is no big filter out there preventing you from watching your porn nor does porn compare in importance to political freedom and basic free speech.
Your "censorship attempted" point is even less relevant because this is a Democracy and of course there are people who are going to try to pass laws on any subject. If those laws succeed, then there's another group who will try to overturn them. In the meantime, all groups are allowed to express their opinions and are allowed to... gasp... influence the political system.
Guess what, that's NOT THE CASE IN CHINA. THAT'S THE POINT, and US companies are helping to keep it that way. THAT *IS* the point!
To compare the right to free speech and dissent against smoking pot is truly going beyond the ridiculous. Ironically, how can you complain about the "violation" of the "basic human right" of smoking cannabis if you don't have free speech?
Common sense and not being ridiculous indicates that the two are not comparable, and that one opens doors for more things than the other. Let's be serious.
As for following "Chinese law", again, let's put this in a Germany circa world world II setting and stop making that absurd argument. We can come up with a lot of extreme arguments about laws that cross the line, but let's not get started.
BTW, I'm glad you support the right of the Chinese government to supress political, religious, and just plain free speech rights.
It'd be better if all companies took at stand, that would more likely change the attitudes of the Chinese government than having companies act as collaborators in their opression.
I'm getting tired of the "Are the Chinese better off with no Google/Microsoft at all".
The answer is yes, they're better off with companies not acting as collaborators to their own opression.
The original poster makes a valid argument, if they're willing to censor political dissent in one country, it makes no sense if they're not willing to censor something made in a more "free" country like Australia, that is security related. Ideally, google wouldn't have to do anything, but since they have already tweaked their stuff for China it doesn't make sense that they can't do it for Australia.
BTW the chinese are better off when no company decides to do business with their government if they impose laws and make them enforce things that violate basic human rights.
I am logged in, it even shows my gmail account name at the top. And as I mentioned before, it works in IE. So yes, I am logged in with my "google" account.
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> Many US based companies employ child labor in other countries. It would be nice if they would stop doing that. There will always be companies that will use child labor to make their products. All individuals can do is refuse to buy $200 shoes from a company that produced them for $0.16 by using child labor and let others know what is happening as well.
...", the government's job is to enforce the laws and the laws don't allow you to do whatever you want because your in foobar country.
It "would be nice"? How about we fine them! Companies have been sued in the US for abominable labor practices in other countries, there is not "it would be nice if
Citizens not buying certain products would be great, but that doesn't eliminate the responsibility of our own government.
> Ford could easily build tanks for the US and then sell the same tanks to one of the US's enemies if it wishes.
No, not really. As a US based corporation, there's a list of countries they're not allowed to trade with. So your point is not valid in that sense, they can't do whatever they please, they still have to abide by our laws, specially our *TRADE* laws
That's your reply?
Yahoo is a US based corporation, thus they need to avoide by our law. A case can be made against them if they're found helping violate human rights in another country, and I really hope someone makes that case.
Also we can start imposing new laws on these corporations of our own whenever they do this, after all they have to "abide by our laws".
And look, it's great that you're making the argument for more US corporations being able to freely and with no worry help suppress other populations. That's real progress!!!
> Do you really believe that corporations or governments exist to help people?
Not really, but I do expect US based corporations to uphold a higher standard and not collaborate in human right violations.
If I take your view to the extreme, then there was no problem with IBM and the Nazis collaborating in the gas chambers, or the US wouldn't care if it's corporations employ child or slave labor. After all "Corporations don't exist to make the world a better place".
http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
I'm not talking about US law, but yes, Yahoo is a US based company and can't directly violate certain laws.
Please read a bit more, if a country decides that they don't believe in copyright, you think the US is going to do nothing about it?
What if a corporation goes to a country were they can employ slave labor or have sweatshops with subhuman conditions. Is this allowed? Aren't these US based companies liable back here in the states?
It's the same thing here.
> You obviously have no morals or sense of human decency.
I just woke up in Bizarro world, were hoping corporations don't help supress political dissenters is seeing as amoral and indecent!
I'm arguing that we should IMPOSE on them a basic set of human rights, and I don't see what's wrong with that, specially when China is making absurd demands on our corporations in the first place.
Here's a starting place, and it's not unreasonable by any measure:
"Universal Declaration of Human Rights"
http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
So what's your excuse for Yahoo, MSN and google filtering words that suppress basic political freedoms? Do they also say : "We need to restrict the word 'freedom' because it's being used for criminal intent'?
... keep tabs on all our criminals in our jails ... yes that's it.
Let's not have a narrow vision here, this is just another step in a series of circumstances were these corporations are helping China supress their citizens.
Cisco has been accussed of providing even more filtering and monitoring technology, and in that case, it's very hard to see your "we're just searching for criminals" loophole.
However, that's a great excuse, I'm sure the Nazis used that one with IBM. Oh yeah, we just need tabulating equipment to er
C'mon.
It's not funny, and has nothing to do with the article. Basically the AC is saying, I don't care about Chinese journalist being jailed and US corporations helping to jail them.
How's that "interesting"?
> Just cause we in the west dont like it doesnt mean Yahoo could get away with NOT providing info. Reporters should know they are treading dangerously, after all they ARE in a communist country.
What a great attitude, the journalist should have known better! In other words, we need less independent journalism in China and the world, so these pesky journalist don't get in the way of the "state"!
OK Pinochet, great points there!
I'm sick of the excuses:
- We're just following Chinese law
- If we don't comply, are the Chinese people better off without Yahoo/Google/Cisco/MS?
Haven't we learnt a thing?
http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/
I don't expect US corporations to impose US laws on foreign soil, but perhaps we can at least expect them to respect a basic set of human rights standards.
It's not acceptable that these US based coporations become collaborators in the persecution of dissidents in another country. It's not acceptable for them to concede to ridiculous demands of filtering workds like "Freedom" or "Taiwan". It's not acceptable at all.
If these corporations want to ignore these basic human rights standards, let them go and base their HQ in China instead. They're not doing anybody any favors by helping repress the Chinese people.
We were told that more trade and more interaction with China would bring greater freedom. We were lied to.
It's very simple, if you can't imagine people paying an additional $15 to play your game, guess what, offer a cheaper and better alternative!
I for one am in the category of people who would like to play some of these games just a bit, and don't have the time to spend so many hours on this. However, if they would drop these montlhly payment schemes or charge a much lower fee, they would attract a lot of people.
Intead of doing that, we get an article saying how this game doesn't let other games compete in the market. Geez!
The problem is not google, is the way your app is designed!
Universal Resource Identifiers -- Axioms of Web Architecture : Identity, State and GET
In HTTP, GET must not have side effects.
In HTTP, anything which does not have side-effects should use GET
If somebody visited your site with a pre-fetching tool like the google web accelerator, you will also find the "delete" button being checked automatically like this. Change those deletes to use POST instead.
He looks a bit like Tony Soprano on that article's picture, this is truly scary.
I kind of half imagine him like Scarface at the end of the Pacino movie.
No first post posts? Did the internet go down?
Anyways, nice app. What I don't get though is why the search bar doesn't just look up things locally by default instead of the google website.
This one is pretty free;
http://www.voipbuster.com/
You have to get a credit of 1 euro and you're set to go (they let you preview it for a minute if you don't have any credit).
I'm sure this is temporary, I can't see how they can keep all those countries for free for a long time.
Use any other protocol and it's going to be block, reducing it's adoption.
If you want it to "push" data to your client, that's even worse because then you have to poke holes in firewalls to talk to each client, so these feeds will most likely not work behind any corporate firewall.
1. UI constantly flashes/blinks while refreshign. Ex: switching between folders, watch the tree. Or when you popup a new window (like send).
2. Right click doesn't work all the time. Folder tree has a "right click for more options" but it doesn't work in Firefox.
3. Lack of good progress indication. Waiting and transferring messages from your browser are not good indicators.
4. Awkward attachment interface.
5. Incorrectly rendered menus. Click on the "Size" menu for "new message" and in Firefox the text renders outside the menu's border! If you go to another window while the menu is "popped up", it doesn't go away!
6. Bad button sensitivity. Undo button is NOT greyed out when you can't undo, bold button does not looked "pressed" when you are in already bold area (it has a non standard L&F border around it)
7. Horrible "insert image" interface. Just use it with a local image.
8. Can't drag and drop local images (just remote ones).
9. Browser right click menu. What do the browser actions mean in the "new message" window (back, reload, etc? they don't make any sense).
10. Incorrect window titles. Some of them just say "Mozilla firefox", and they don't change as I type the subject header line.
11. Are there any dialogs in this app? No dialogs that stay on top of application windows (look at about dialog), no modal dialogs either.
12. I can't use it with other mail servers. The is the worst offense when compared against other desktop mail apps.
There's more, hey, it's not a bad app, but it doesn't really compare against even most basic email desktop client programs. Maybe you meant to say you like the icons or something?
Apple and oranges.
... gasp ... influence the political system.
You just ignored the point of the parent post by coming up with censorship at schools and libraries, which does not compare in the least with the type of censorship the Chinese government has been implementing.
The point of the parent poster is that you have no point, in the US, there is no big filter out there preventing you from watching your porn nor does porn compare in importance to political freedom and basic free speech.
Your "censorship attempted" point is even less relevant because this is a Democracy and of course there are people who are going to try to pass laws on any subject. If those laws succeed, then there's another group who will try to overturn them. In the meantime, all groups are allowed to express their opinions and are allowed to
Guess what, that's NOT THE CASE IN CHINA. THAT'S THE POINT, and US companies are helping to keep it that way. THAT *IS* the point!
not a basic human right.
To compare the right to free speech and dissent against smoking pot is truly going beyond the ridiculous. Ironically, how can you complain about the "violation" of the "basic human right" of smoking cannabis if you don't have free speech?
Common sense and not being ridiculous indicates that the two are not comparable, and that one opens doors for more things than the other. Let's be serious.
As for following "Chinese law", again, let's put this in a Germany circa world world II setting and stop making that absurd argument. We can come up with a lot of extreme arguments about laws that cross the line, but let's not get started.
BTW, I'm glad you support the right of the Chinese government to supress political, religious, and just plain free speech rights.
Amazing!
when they dealt with the Nazis.
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http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/jun2001/ibm-j27
It'd be better if all companies took at stand, that would more likely change the attitudes of the Chinese government than having companies act as collaborators in their opression.
I'm getting tired of the "Are the Chinese better off with no Google/Microsoft at all".
The answer is yes, they're better off with companies not acting as collaborators to their own opression.
The original poster makes a valid argument, if they're willing to censor political dissent in one country, it makes no sense if they're not willing to censor something made in a more "free" country like Australia, that is security related. Ideally, google wouldn't have to do anything, but since they have already tweaked their stuff for China it doesn't make sense that they can't do it for Australia.
BTW the chinese are better off when no company decides to do business with their government if they impose laws and make them enforce things that violate basic human rights.
You have to disable "Google Suggest" (which is one of the main cool things about the extension) and it works ok.
l e/browse_frm/thread/88a90e6e11f7b25b/669e3c5f5bb45 c65#669e3c5f5bb45c65
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/CustomizeGoog
Should have been obvious ... it's the "CustomizeGoogle" extension;
http://www.customizegoogle.com/
Just disabling it seems to fix the problem. It's a great extension, but I'll have to do without it if I'm going to use it.
I am logged in, it even shows my gmail account name at the top. And as I mentioned before, it works in IE. So yes, I am logged in with my "google" account.