There's a big difference between a belief that something is most likely true, and an experiment that removes all doubt.
Tell that to the physicists.
There are many beliefs that physicists stick to about the real world without experiment because the consequences for long-cherieshed of those beliefs not being true would be too awful.
He doesn't need an alternative to Visio since he is collaborating with other users that use Visio.
He needs an alternative to Visio if he wants to kick the Windows habit. And since Gliffy is hosted and hence usable by others, it is an alternative to Visio, even if the others continue to use Visio for their own purposes.
Hosted applications that run in a web browser are a simple way of switching from escaping platform lock.
There are several good alternatives to Visio for diagramming on Linux (some of them actually more convenient than Visio IMO).
But the 2008 version of Visio may be a hosted application like Gliffy. It's a slick, Flash-based, collaborative application, and you can incorporate diagrams into any document by URL (as an image), including into Google Docs.
Oddly enough, adding security parameters to just about every kernel object has somehow failed to produce a secure system. Funny, that.
But that's the basic problem with Windows: Windows is designed in the way that's "obvious" to a computer scientists. But a lot of design choices that seem obvious turn out to be wrong in practice. For example, ACLs and frame buffer-inspired graphics APIs sound so much nicer and more straightforward than UNIX's permission bits and graphics protocols, but it turns out that UNIX got it right and they got it wrong.
Win32 is simple and it works, and hasn't changed much in over a decade. It's the stable API you can really code against. It's not object oriented, but it's just not that hard to wrap it.
Win32, as well as the NT kernel, may look clean, simple, and well-designed compared to the rest of Windows, but they also have big problems.
All that you said can and still would have been done, but merely at a higher cost reinvesting into our local persons, aka citizens.
If people didn't major in science or engineering in college and grad school, you can't turn them into scientists or engineers anymore by investing in them.
shaft the very people that made their business possible
What made their business possible is that they could hire the people they need to get the job done, and you want to deny them that.
in contrast, a korean student, funded by his government, can come here, learn in a seat paid for by US Citizen tax dollars (Public Universities), and accept a job for US-relative LOW PAY, funneling cash back to his homeland.
Even if that Korean student were paid lower (he likely isn't), he could go back to Korea and be paid even lower to do the same work for the same companies.
stop pillaging the exploits of our corrupt government that allows big business to sell out our popular body.
"Pillaging the exploits"? Do you even know what those words mean? Just based on your writing sample (and attitude), I don't think a company like IBM or Microsoft would hire you into any kind of technical position.
In any case, if you send the people to Korea, you're sending the companies with them. The US can become the Delaware of the world: a place where companies register but where no real work is done. Is that what you want?
Under the Data Protection Act you have the right to view data an organisation holds on you for a reasonable fee (~£10 I think) including CCTV footage:
That runs smack into the right to take photographs of people in public spaces.
Looks like the UK FOIA law is f*cked up; why do British politicians copy US laws and then copy them badly? At least they should have the decency to name it something different.
Furthermore, foreign-persons did not PUT IN what a citizen has.
They also didn't TAKE OUT what a citizen has taken out. In then end, if someone works in the US for five years and pays their taxes, they have paid their fair share.
And if the US hires the best and brightest after those people were educated abroad, the US is getting than its fair share. Ask Europe, Canada, or developing nations: they would very much prefer if the US got rid of the H-1b visas and skilled green cards, because it is robbing them of the elite they need to become more competitive.
Open your eyes, without America, you would not be where you are, and without serving America at a citizen, one does not deserve to block a Citizens opportunity by stealing his seat in school.
Your mistake is that you think that America owns those "seats", either in schools or corporations. But these opportunities aren't created by the US, these opportunities are created by a mobile elite of technologists and business people. Look at who worked on the Manhattan project, who started the space program, who has been building Silicon Valley; a large part of that has been foreigners.
If the US pisses off those people enough, they are going to move somewhere else. And these days, there are plenty of other nice places around the world, places with good school systems, stable currencies, and far fewer enemies than the US.
H-1b's are a raw deal... for everybody other than the US. And people like you want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
If that were the reason, this would only be a US phenomenon. But it is happening in many developed countries, many of which guarantee job security by law, provide have stable salaries, and have nothing like an H-1b program.
The need for software is smaller "back home" (for reasons already given) such that your argument that they can be closer to local customers by going back home does not hold up.
Not only is the US less automated than many other developed nations, automation is only a tiny part of the software market.
Is this suppose to be your counter argument? If so, its damned rude.
Not as rude as wrecking people's lives by arguing against sensible immigration policies with bad data and uninformed pseudo-arguments, like you do.
Yes, but the US is more automated than most 3rd world countries. Labor is cheap enough there that many automated processes are done by hand in the 3rd world
What does any of that have to do with hiring R&D staff on H-1b visas?
and they don't have the infrastructure in place to use lots of the higher-end software thats used in the US.
You really don't know much about software or the rest of the world, do you?
So it appears that what you're saying is that India, China, etc. are such pathetic failures that their best and brightest (bartenders?) want to abandon their home country as quickly as possible ?
You seem to have trouble with reading comprehension, so let me spell it out in straightforward terms for you: these people are good, and they are going to work in high tech no matter whether they are going to be admitted to the US or not. They are going to compete with you for a job whether or not they get an H-1b (and by the looks of it, they're going to win). If they do so from overseas, all the better for them: their costs are going to be lower. They want to come to the US because they like it here, not because it's the only way to get a job.
Or are you saying that you are terrified of competition from foreign (non-US) companies ?
I'm not "terrified". I work for a global company. It makes little difference to the company where they hire me or any of my co-workers. We apply for H-1b visas for people because they want to work at a US location. But evidently, you are terrified, because you want to keep these people out of the US in order to increase your chances of landing a job. Well, it won't work.
Not true. There are thousands of Americans who would love the opportunity to learn and develop skills; more than there are foreign students of your example.
Evidently, not in computer science, because computer science enrollment has dropped to half what it was a decade ago, across all colleges. And without foreign students in computer science, the situation would be even more dire.
No, what these people want is the high paying jobs without putting in the 10-15 years of study and training necessary to get them.
If you're American, don't forget which hand raised and fed you
My parents raised and fed me, and they paid for my college.
As for the foreign students who came here, foreign governments usually paid for their high school and college education before US colleges came along cherry-picking the best and brightest. Foreign governments, in fact, have good cause to complain about this. As far as India, China, and Europe are concerned, limiting H-1b programs is the best thing for their economies the US can do.
and if you're not, then please don't speak of things you don't know.
Well, you obviously do "speak of things you don't know".
When you have an H-1B you can't "simply" change jobs. You have to find another company that is willing to sponsor you.
That "sponsorship" consists of filing a form. There's no obligation or financial risk to the company. BFD. Stop scaring people with such misleading language.
Besides, if you decide to leave your current job, you have one month to find another employer that sponsors you or you have to leave the country.
You don't leave your current job until you've found another one, otherwise, you're unemployed, and that's bad news even for US citizens with mortgages or children.
Once you're unemployed, you're obviously not a corporate slave anymore. If you're unemployed for too long, you have to leave the country (seems reasonable to me). In real life, the period ends up being much longer than one month.
No, because most managers and customers are more comfortable seeing the workers face-to-face.
There are many more customers outside the US than inside, so as far as customers are concerned, these jobs already should be moving out of the US.
As for R&D, R&D labs are usually run by people at the VP level. They do get face time with all the people under them--in the country where they live and where the lab is located. The lab managers themselves do a lot of traveling to report to top management. It really works, and works well. Companies have been doing it for decades.
The real reason these companies try to get US visas for prospective employees is because it's a perk: people still like to come to the US, and companies like to accommodate them in a competitive market. But if they can only hire Amraj in their Bangalore R&D center because the US government refuses to give him a visa, Amraj may be unhappy, but the company doesn't care that much.
I'm happy this is finally happening. Why the hell should we educate them and then let them work for less money and displace others of us who deserve those positions.
You know, that remark is so stupid that I'm not sure you can even be serious, but I suppose there must be a reason you have trouble finding a good job. So, let's walk through this.
Why do you think the US (usually foundations and universities) are investing $500k in the education of these students? It's because they can't find Americans willing and capable of getting educated in these areas. So, after all that money is invested, you just want to send them away. What do you think they are going to do with their $500k education in India or China or Europe or Canada? Plant rice? Perform folk dances for American tourists? Work as bartenders?
I'll tell you what they'll do: they'll work for Oracle, IBM, Microsoft, Google, whatever. Or they'll start their own startups and compete with US companies.
You won't get a job out of this. If Oracle doesn't want you now, refusing an H-1b visa to the candidate they want won't make them hire you. Instead, they'll just move that job and all the required support staff to countries where they can hire the candidates they want to hire.
H1B has turned into a huge scam for corporate slavery. Employers know they can get cheap labor and throw them away when done.
That's a big stinking lie because H-1b visas have been portable for several years now; H-1b employees can simply change jobs.
take them in and give them Green Cards or
That's a nice theory, except that immigration foes have already made that impossible; the green card process has become so lengthy and involved that the way to get an employment based green card is to come in on an H-1b, immediately apply for a green card, and hope everything works out in time.
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Dock apps aren't widgets, neither in what they do nor in how they are written.
There are some widget frameworks for Linux, but they aren't all that stable and there aren't a lot of widgets available for them.
Google's release is a good thing and fills a real need.
There's a big difference between a belief that something is most likely true, and an experiment that removes all doubt.
Tell that to the physicists.
There are many beliefs that physicists stick to about the real world without experiment because the consequences for long-cherieshed of those beliefs not being true would be too awful.
He doesn't need an alternative to Visio since he is collaborating with other users that use Visio.
He needs an alternative to Visio if he wants to kick the Windows habit. And since Gliffy is hosted and hence usable by others, it is an alternative to Visio, even if the others continue to use Visio for their own purposes.
Hosted applications that run in a web browser are a simple way of switching from escaping platform lock.
There are several good alternatives to Visio for diagramming on Linux (some of them actually more convenient than Visio IMO).
But the 2008 version of Visio may be a hosted application like Gliffy. It's a slick, Flash-based, collaborative application, and you can incorporate diagrams into any document by URL (as an image), including into Google Docs.
Oddly enough, adding security parameters to just about every kernel object has somehow failed to produce a secure system. Funny, that.
But that's the basic problem with Windows: Windows is designed in the way that's "obvious" to a computer scientists. But a lot of design choices that seem obvious turn out to be wrong in practice. For example, ACLs and frame buffer-inspired graphics APIs sound so much nicer and more straightforward than UNIX's permission bits and graphics protocols, but it turns out that UNIX got it right and they got it wrong.
Win32 is simple and it works, and hasn't changed much in over a decade. It's the stable API you can really code against. It's not object oriented, but it's just not that hard to wrap it.
Win32, as well as the NT kernel, may look clean, simple, and well-designed compared to the rest of Windows, but they also have big problems.
Simply because they aren't going to die or disappear anytime soon.
That's circular reasoning.
It might be better to have replacements
We do: Linux and Google.
I think Google would be likely to fill much of the void left by them, which although I don't dislike Google, I don't see as a good thing.
Google has done none of the kind of harm that Microsoft has done to the industry.
Lets cultivate this little bug, put in on a nice british-silver-martini ice container, and start sprouting it throughout the solar system and beyond.
That's probably where it came from in the first place. And you don't need to wrap metal around it, big chunks of ice will do nicely.
Its better for everyone in the long haul in terms of overall wealth creation to have both Yahoo and Microsoft alive.
Really? What do we need Microsoft for? Why not replace both with the next generation Internet and OS company?
I prefer metered unthrottled Internet to unmetered throttled Internet. And it will have to be one or the other.
All that you said can and still would have been done, but merely at a higher cost reinvesting into our local persons, aka citizens.
If people didn't major in science or engineering in college and grad school, you can't turn them into scientists or engineers anymore by investing in them.
shaft the very people that made their business possible
What made their business possible is that they could hire the people they need to get the job done, and you want to deny them that.
in contrast, a korean student, funded by his government, can come here, learn in a seat paid for by US Citizen tax dollars (Public Universities), and accept a job for US-relative LOW PAY, funneling cash back to his homeland.
Even if that Korean student were paid lower (he likely isn't), he could go back to Korea and be paid even lower to do the same work for the same companies.
stop pillaging the exploits of our corrupt government that allows big business to sell out our popular body.
"Pillaging the exploits"? Do you even know what those words mean? Just based on your writing sample (and attitude), I don't think a company like IBM or Microsoft would hire you into any kind of technical position.
In any case, if you send the people to Korea, you're sending the companies with them. The US can become the Delaware of the world: a place where companies register but where no real work is done. Is that what you want?
How does this fit into your scenario. H-1B visa holder looks for another job? Current employer finds out and fires him immediately. This is reality.
Guy with mortgage looks for another job. Current employer finds out and fires him immediately. This is reality, too.
Guy with family and college kids looks for another job. Current employer finds out and fires him immediately. This is reality, too.
So, an H-1b makes you no more of a slave than the average American worker. Which is the point.
Under the Data Protection Act you have the right to view data an organisation holds on you for a reasonable fee (~£10 I think) including CCTV footage:
That runs smack into the right to take photographs of people in public spaces.
Looks like the UK FOIA law is f*cked up; why do British politicians copy US laws and then copy them badly? At least they should have the decency to name it something different.
If you are a government-owned organisation you better comply or you face long terms in Jail.
The term "owners" implies that it isn't held by the government.
And government officers don't go to jail for non-compliance with FOIA requests.
Furthermore, foreign-persons did not PUT IN what a citizen has.
They also didn't TAKE OUT what a citizen has taken out. In then end, if someone works in the US for five years and pays their taxes, they have paid their fair share.
And if the US hires the best and brightest after those people were educated abroad, the US is getting than its fair share. Ask Europe, Canada, or developing nations: they would very much prefer if the US got rid of the H-1b visas and skilled green cards, because it is robbing them of the elite they need to become more competitive.
Open your eyes, without America, you would not be where you are, and without serving America at a citizen, one does not deserve to block a Citizens opportunity by stealing his seat in school.
Your mistake is that you think that America owns those "seats", either in schools or corporations. But these opportunities aren't created by the US, these opportunities are created by a mobile elite of technologists and business people. Look at who worked on the Manhattan project, who started the space program, who has been building Silicon Valley; a large part of that has been foreigners.
If the US pisses off those people enough, they are going to move somewhere else. And these days, there are plenty of other nice places around the world, places with good school systems, stable currencies, and far fewer enemies than the US.
H-1b's are a raw deal... for everybody other than the US. And people like you want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
If that were the reason, this would only be a US phenomenon. But it is happening in many developed countries, many of which guarantee job security by law, provide have stable salaries, and have nothing like an H-1b program.
The need for software is smaller "back home" (for reasons already given) such that your argument that they can be closer to local customers by going back home does not hold up.
Not only is the US less automated than many other developed nations, automation is only a tiny part of the software market.
Is this suppose to be your counter argument? If so, its damned rude.
Not as rude as wrecking people's lives by arguing against sensible immigration policies with bad data and uninformed pseudo-arguments, like you do.
About 25% of the CCTV owners complied with the law and turned them over.) The result isn't too bad.
If they did, they were being nice. I am under no obligation to give you the CCTV footage that I took of you.
Yes, but the US is more automated than most 3rd world countries. Labor is cheap enough there that many automated processes are done by hand in the 3rd world
What does any of that have to do with hiring R&D staff on H-1b visas?
and they don't have the infrastructure in place to use lots of the higher-end software thats used in the US.
You really don't know much about software or the rest of the world, do you?
So it appears that what you're saying is that India, China, etc. are such pathetic failures that their best and brightest (bartenders?) want to abandon their home country as quickly as possible ?
You seem to have trouble with reading comprehension, so let me spell it out in straightforward terms for you: these people are good, and they are going to work in high tech no matter whether they are going to be admitted to the US or not. They are going to compete with you for a job whether or not they get an H-1b (and by the looks of it, they're going to win). If they do so from overseas, all the better for them: their costs are going to be lower. They want to come to the US because they like it here, not because it's the only way to get a job.
Or are you saying that you are terrified of competition from foreign (non-US) companies ?
I'm not "terrified". I work for a global company. It makes little difference to the company where they hire me or any of my co-workers. We apply for H-1b visas for people because they want to work at a US location. But evidently, you are terrified, because you want to keep these people out of the US in order to increase your chances of landing a job. Well, it won't work.
Not true. There are thousands of Americans who would love the opportunity to learn and develop skills; more than there are foreign students of your example.
Evidently, not in computer science, because computer science enrollment has dropped to half what it was a decade ago, across all colleges. And without foreign students in computer science, the situation would be even more dire.
No, what these people want is the high paying jobs without putting in the 10-15 years of study and training necessary to get them.
If you're American, don't forget which hand raised and fed you
My parents raised and fed me, and they paid for my college.
As for the foreign students who came here, foreign governments usually paid for their high school and college education before US colleges came along cherry-picking the best and brightest. Foreign governments, in fact, have good cause to complain about this. As far as India, China, and Europe are concerned, limiting H-1b programs is the best thing for their economies the US can do.
and if you're not, then please don't speak of things you don't know.
Well, you obviously do "speak of things you don't know".
When you have an H-1B you can't "simply" change jobs. You have to find another company that is willing to sponsor you.
That "sponsorship" consists of filing a form. There's no obligation or financial risk to the company. BFD. Stop scaring people with such misleading language.
Besides, if you decide to leave your current job, you have one month to find another employer that sponsors you or you have to leave the country.
You don't leave your current job until you've found another one, otherwise, you're unemployed, and that's bad news even for US citizens with mortgages or children.
Once you're unemployed, you're obviously not a corporate slave anymore. If you're unemployed for too long, you have to leave the country (seems reasonable to me). In real life, the period ends up being much longer than one month.
No, because most managers and customers are more comfortable seeing the workers face-to-face.
There are many more customers outside the US than inside, so as far as customers are concerned, these jobs already should be moving out of the US.
As for R&D, R&D labs are usually run by people at the VP level. They do get face time with all the people under them--in the country where they live and where the lab is located. The lab managers themselves do a lot of traveling to report to top management. It really works, and works well. Companies have been doing it for decades.
The real reason these companies try to get US visas for prospective employees is because it's a perk: people still like to come to the US, and companies like to accommodate them in a competitive market. But if they can only hire Amraj in their Bangalore R&D center because the US government refuses to give him a visa, Amraj may be unhappy, but the company doesn't care that much.
I'm happy this is finally happening. Why the hell should we educate them and then let them work for less money and displace others of us who deserve those positions.
You know, that remark is so stupid that I'm not sure you can even be serious, but I suppose there must be a reason you have trouble finding a good job. So, let's walk through this.
Why do you think the US (usually foundations and universities) are investing $500k in the education of these students? It's because they can't find Americans willing and capable of getting educated in these areas. So, after all that money is invested, you just want to send them away. What do you think they are going to do with their $500k education in India or China or Europe or Canada? Plant rice? Perform folk dances for American tourists? Work as bartenders?
I'll tell you what they'll do: they'll work for Oracle, IBM, Microsoft, Google, whatever. Or they'll start their own startups and compete with US companies.
You won't get a job out of this. If Oracle doesn't want you now, refusing an H-1b visa to the candidate they want won't make them hire you. Instead, they'll just move that job and all the required support staff to countries where they can hire the candidates they want to hire.
H1B has turned into a huge scam for corporate slavery. Employers know they can get cheap labor and throw them away when done.
That's a big stinking lie because H-1b visas have been portable for several years now; H-1b employees can simply change jobs.
take them in and give them Green Cards or
That's a nice theory, except that immigration foes have already made that impossible; the green card process has become so lengthy and involved that the way to get an employment based green card is to come in on an H-1b, immediately apply for a green card, and hope everything works out in time.