I agree.. My pc runs winblows, Be and Mandrake 7.1 (I would LOVE to run a new version but the damn installs fail - both Mandrake 7.2 and 8.0 and RH 7.1)
BFND if its a better product if it can't install on common hardware (like a FIC SD11 mobo and an Athlon 700)..
Microcrap at least installs on most systems (runs cappy but thats a different story)...
You ever try returning software to a store once its opened ? Good luck.. Most stores have an "open box" policy (if the box is opened or the shrink wrap is broken, you can exchange it for the same software but not get a refund)
Under the BSD license you can create a proprietary product and not have to release your code changes to original source. Some businesses can stomach THAT much easier than having to release all your changes (thus helping your competitor)
NOTE: The CDE was originally developed from X Windows (X Windows is released under the BSD license).
Stole ? RAMBUS was part of a committee to create a STANDARD for memeory.. RAMBUS DELIBERATELY withheld that they had patents and/or applications that the JDEC proposal could be infringing on (not nessesarily going into details).. RAMBUS AMENDED their applications to make sure that the JDEC DID infringe MORE on their patents..
Sorry.. They were OBLIGATED as members of the JDEC to disclose all patents/applications that could be applicable to the technology. Not nessesarily go into details about it, but mention that the new tech could potentially infringe on their patent. RAMBUS ALSO specifically modified their applications after the JDEC meetings to make sure that the technology they decided on would infringe more.
Ummm.. How ? The problem was reported to Mandrake via the way I was told to when I registered my copy of Mandrake... I asked the customer service people to have the developers contact me directly. And to add insult to injury, the last time I got a response from them was over a month ago.. And their solution YET AGAIN was useless...
So.. how WOULD I send it in directly to you ? I can give you the incident # as a reference so you can see exactly what was done (that makes Mandrake look pretty lame)..
If you want to contact me off here, please feel free to. ( Just get rid of the NOSPAM.)....
You are lucky.. Mandrake hasn't worked on my system since 7.1 (FIC SD11 and Athlon 700).. The tech support (I went out and purchased 7.2) has been USELESS.. They tell me to try things that were tried earlier (and explicitly shown in the previous emails, for example they try to tell me things like don't do ATA 100 when in the previous email I tell them I don't HAVE ATA100)..
And don't call it a newbie error.. I have 12 systems at home of which only 3 are winblows.. The others are a collection of FreeBSD, RH, and Solaris machines.
I've tried 8.0 Beta 1 and 2 but they were USELESS TOO... They didn't get me much farther. (Basically something got MAJORLY hosed in their IDE support with the AMD 751 Chipset)...
I'll download 8.0 but I have a feeling that it won't work EITHER... If it doesn't work, they are gone.. I'll not recomend them anymore and I'll convert my machine to RH 7.1
If radio stations are getting more money from advertisers, then generally it's a good idea to pass that along to the talent. That's what keeps the talent from going to a station where they will pay what the talent thinks he's worth. However, it's not been emonstrated to my satisfaction that streaming their content is all that beneficial to the stations' bottom lines.
Say what ? Since when is ANY company obligated to pass profits to employees ? The employees should be getting compensated well in the manner of a paycheck. And if the employee (DJ) is any good.. then he can/will go else where or have major control of their contract.
And there is one "fleet average" for passenger cars (27.5 MPG), another for "light trucks" (20.7 MPG, IIRC) and if there's any such requirement for heavier trucks it's a different one. IIRC, one of the big new SUV's (Expedition?) has a GVW above the cutoff point for the light-truck fuel economy standards, so by making the thing heavier and more wasteful the manufacturer raised their CAFE ratings in both categories. It's called "gaming the system".
Exactly.. They have no intention of giving us cars that can do 100mpg (they CAN do it though).. using the new electric/gas hybrid cars.. until they have their heads nailed to the wall by the govt. to comply with a law demanding 100mpg....
And (to give one example) communism, with its complete disregard of niceties such as the environment (look at their
multiple debacles all over Europe and the perpetually-smogged cities in China), is what exactly? What allows you to
single out capitalism (under which the USA got the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act...)?
And companys continuously getting variances and waivers so they DON'T have to comply..
What do you think would happen (environmentally) if all SUV's were charged and environment fee of 2000/year ? Do you think most people would stop driving SUV's ? Probably not.. Those things are the biggest gas pigs in this country.. We could help the envronment by NOT allowing cars with less then 30MPG to be on the road (thus FORCING manufacturers to get off the pots on this one)..
higher MPG = less gas/oil..
less gas/oil = less mining/drilling..
less mining/drilling = less chance of an environmental disaster like the Exxon Valdez.
I normally don't respawn to AC's.. but for you I'll make a exception..
No.. I don't think things need to be blessed by lawyers ( I will NOT go into my opinion of lawyers at this time, its irrelevent to this discussion). What I'm talking about is courtesy.. You don't invade/hack/crak/etc. a system at ANY company (even when its in their best interest) without WRITTEN permission.
Why do I say written ? That way if you DO find gaping problems, they can't pull this kinda of draconian action.. You will be able to state that you had permission to perform the task.
Ok. So then when during the trial it became known that an Intel VP did something even naughtier a while back, one
would think that this fine Oregon Computer Crimes Law would be immediately applied to him too, right? Hmmm...
How odd, it wasn't. Also odd, in ten years, only two other people have been charged with violating that law.
Maybe, just maybe, it's being used to target people on the whims of Intel and the like.
Depends.. Did the statute of limitations for his crime pass ? Once INTEL became aware of his actions, did he cease to get promotions/etc ?
You are right - it is kinda dumb. However, hashed passwords are world readable on a system, and good passwords cannot be reasonably broken with crack.
Not if you use shadow passwords. Only the root user can see the hashed passwords.
Security affects ALL users, and crack is a reasonable security tool. There is no evidence it was used to break into accounts.
For the authorized system administrator its a reasonable tool.. for anyone else it is a hacking tool. If he had permission this would have been moot, but it wasn't..
As a different example, I sometimes portscan machines on which I have accounts. If there are gaping holes, I tell the administrator. Am I a criminal for portscanning machines because I am legitimately concerned for their security ? Is it
less of a problem if I simply run `netstat -al` instead of `nmap -sT` ? My real concern is that my work is not interrupted because some admin set up a machine running an old version of BIND. Because then a re-install is required, and sometimes worse.
Do you tell the admin immediately what you did or do you wait to get "more" evidence of the bad security ? I do similar things.. but I usaually will tell the admin that I plan on doing something (in advance and depending on the admin, you CC his supervisor) and then if you find something you tell them immediately.
Copying password hashes that are world readable is not a crime. Forwarding email could be illegal at anal enough
companies though... His other crimes (running crack, copying password hashes) are things any user with reasonable concerns could do, and require NO special access to machines ie: he uncovered no information that anyone with an account could not easily uncover.
Like I said, on most systems, admins are using shadow password files so JUST this kinda thing can't get done... The shadow password file is mode 0600 so without root privs, you aren't getting it.
But he WASN'T the system admin anymore.. The person who WAS the admin should get reamed for not using shadow passwords (or having an improperly protected shadow file)...
I don't care who you are, If you breach security you are going to have to pay a price... Be it criminal or feduciary.. If you ran crack on a system at your company (without written permission) where you do systems for the Govt, don't whine when they prosecute you... I mean, Its pretty stupid that he DIDN'T tell them that he found a simple password (or that he was looking for it in the 1st place).
Part of the injury may be that they have maint. accounts on it (to do remote maintenance of systems) and only use a limited # of passwords (ala DEC in the 80's)
And don't forget that he also (by his own admittance) COPIED the password file to a different system
Think of it this way.. With the BSD license, anyone and (and Would) take the FreeBSD project and start another one using the 5.0 Current as its baseline.
I don't think so.. If you do work without any contract you own it 100 % (AFIK, IANAL). This has been discussed on many a mailing list (about web consulting)...
I belive that if you don't do something where the work is defined as a work for hire, you own it lock stock and barrel
Then.. Since Guns facilitate thefts, the gun manufacturers are accessories to the crime.. Ford/Chevy/Toyota/etc. are responsible for theives leaving crime scenes are should be prosecuted as accessories ?
No.. System calls TEND to be portable. I mean fprintf is fprintf is fprintf. So are a LOT of system calls. You can get at MOST of the info in/proc by other means (/proc/net is available from netstat.../proc/uptime is available/proc/loadavg is available.. Its a pain.. Or people use LINUX system headers instead of the more generic STANDARD system headers...
I think its more an issue of lack of knowledge.. People are too hyper focused on Linux and not thinking UNIX in general.
If companies DON'T want you competing for X months after you leave then they should be forced to pay your current wages for that period. Then you can be allowed to work again.
The IMDB.. They list MOST motion pictures, TV Shows, specials, etc.
This is a DB that even the studios are using to spread information (info about movies in production, complete cast lists/etc. before the movies are out)..
This 'could' be used to do that ( I bet they MPAA has made sure that they have the DVD codes somewhere so that it can be tracked)...
Tell me something. If we are in fact a civilized society, why are we so hell-bent on abandoning our children to the adult world as soon as possible? We try children in adult courts, we insist on exposing them to adult content - where does it end?
Oh please.. The problem is that parents are not teaching their kids right from wrong.. I mean for a 12 year old kid to KILL his own 6 year old cousin "doing wresting moves" (when the autopsy shows that the victim had skull fractures and lots of other injurys)... He was just tried (and convicted) as an adult.. And I'm glad.. It will keep this person who OBVIOUSLY doens't know right from harming someone else...
Mere animals can manage to care for their children until they are ready to be adults. Why can't we? We blindly focus on one tiny aspect of life - the first amendment - and sacrifice everything else.
Because animals are PARENTS.. Not their child's friend.. Thats the problem.. Parents want to be friends, not parents...
Why must children in public libraries be able to view every piece of filth availible? They will be adults soon enough; then they will be able to make adult choices. Until then, children need to be protected, though, not used as pawns in a libertarian game.
Define Filth.. THERE'S the problem... Noone can come up with a standard.. to some the Venus DeMilo is filth.. The statue of David is filth.. The birth of Venus is filth.. They also want to block information about abortion, birth control, etc.
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If you work in an environment where upper management only knows/trusts Microsoft you may have NO choice (not if you want to keep your job)..
I agree.. My pc runs winblows, Be and Mandrake 7.1 (I would LOVE to run a new version but the damn installs fail - both Mandrake 7.2 and 8.0 and RH 7.1)
BFND if its a better product if it can't install on common hardware (like a FIC SD11 mobo and an Athlon 700)..
Microcrap at least installs on most systems (runs cappy but thats a different story)...
You ever try returning software to a store once its opened ? Good luck.. Most stores have an "open box" policy (if the box is opened or the shrink wrap is broken, you can exchange it for the same software but not get a refund)
NOTE: The CDE was originally developed from X Windows (X Windows is released under the BSD license).
So how did they steal from RAMBUS ?
Sorry.. They were OBLIGATED as members of the JDEC to disclose all patents/applications that could be applicable to the technology. Not nessesarily go into details about it, but mention that the new tech could potentially infringe on their patent. RAMBUS ALSO specifically modified their applications after the JDEC meetings to make sure that the technology they decided on would infringe more.
Remember that BSDi's Software Divisions were sold to Windriver a few weeks ago... http://slashdot.org/bsd/01/04/04/2053238.shtml
So.. how WOULD I send it in directly to you ? I can give you the incident # as a reference so you can see exactly what was done (that makes Mandrake look pretty lame)..
If you want to contact me off here, please feel free to. ( Just get rid of the NOSPAM.)....
And don't call it a newbie error.. I have 12 systems at home of which only 3 are winblows.. The others are a collection of FreeBSD, RH, and Solaris machines.
I've tried 8.0 Beta 1 and 2 but they were USELESS TOO... They didn't get me much farther. (Basically something got MAJORLY hosed in their IDE support with the AMD 751 Chipset)... I'll download 8.0 but I have a feeling that it won't work EITHER... If it doesn't work, they are gone.. I'll not recomend them anymore and I'll convert my machine to RH 7.1
Say what ? Since when is ANY company obligated to pass profits to employees ? The employees should be getting compensated well in the manner of a paycheck. And if the employee (DJ) is any good.. then he can/will go else where or have major control of their contract.
Exactly.. They have no intention of giving us cars that can do 100mpg (they CAN do it though).. using the new electric/gas hybrid cars.. until they have their heads nailed to the wall by the govt. to comply with a law demanding 100mpg....
And companys continuously getting variances and waivers so they DON'T have to comply..
What do you think would happen (environmentally) if all SUV's were charged and environment fee of 2000/year ? Do you think most people would stop driving SUV's ? Probably not.. Those things are the biggest gas pigs in this country.. We could help the envronment by NOT allowing cars with less then 30MPG to be on the road (thus FORCING manufacturers to get off the pots on this one)..
higher MPG = less gas/oil..
less gas/oil = less mining/drilling..
less mining/drilling = less chance of an environmental disaster like the Exxon Valdez.
No.. I don't think things need to be blessed by lawyers ( I will NOT go into my opinion of lawyers at this time, its irrelevent to this discussion). What I'm talking about is courtesy.. You don't invade/hack/crak/etc. a system at ANY company (even when its in their best interest) without WRITTEN permission.
Why do I say written ? That way if you DO find gaping problems, they can't pull this kinda of draconian action.. You will be able to state that you had permission to perform the task.
Depends.. Did the statute of limitations for his crime pass ? Once INTEL became aware of his actions, did he cease to get promotions/etc ?
Not if you use shadow passwords. Only the root user can see the hashed passwords. Security affects ALL users, and crack is a reasonable security tool. There is no evidence it was used to break into accounts.
For the authorized system administrator its a reasonable tool.. for anyone else it is a hacking tool. If he had permission this would have been moot, but it wasn't..
As a different example, I sometimes portscan machines on which I have accounts. If there are gaping holes, I tell the administrator. Am I a criminal for portscanning machines because I am legitimately concerned for their security ? Is it less of a problem if I simply run `netstat -al` instead of `nmap -sT` ? My real concern is that my work is not interrupted because some admin set up a machine running an old version of BIND. Because then a re-install is required, and sometimes worse.
Do you tell the admin immediately what you did or do you wait to get "more" evidence of the bad security ? I do similar things.. but I usaually will tell the admin that I plan on doing something (in advance and depending on the admin, you CC his supervisor) and then if you find something you tell them immediately.
Copying password hashes that are world readable is not a crime. Forwarding email could be illegal at anal enough companies though... His other crimes (running crack, copying password hashes) are things any user with reasonable concerns could do, and require NO special access to machines ie: he uncovered no information that anyone with an account could not easily uncover.
Like I said, on most systems, admins are using shadow password files so JUST this kinda thing can't get done... The shadow password file is mode 0600 so without root privs, you aren't getting it.
I don't care who you are, If you breach security you are going to have to pay a price... Be it criminal or feduciary.. If you ran crack on a system at your company (without written permission) where you do systems for the Govt, don't whine when they prosecute you... I mean, Its pretty stupid that he DIDN'T tell them that he found a simple password (or that he was looking for it in the 1st place).
Part of the injury may be that they have maint. accounts on it (to do remote maintenance of systems) and only use a limited # of passwords (ala DEC in the 80's)
And don't forget that he also (by his own admittance) COPIED the password file to a different system
Does anyone else remember that one ?
Think of it this way.. With the BSD license, anyone and (and Would) take the FreeBSD project and start another one using the 5.0 Current as its baseline.
I belive that if you don't do something where the work is defined as a work for hire, you own it lock stock and barrel
Then.. Since Guns facilitate thefts, the gun manufacturers are accessories to the crime.. Ford/Chevy/Toyota/etc. are responsible for theives leaving crime scenes are should be prosecuted as accessories ?
Correct.. Sorry.. thats what I get for writing at 2am.p>?!?!?! I was replying to someone's post correcting me.. WTF is up with that ??!?!?!
I think its more an issue of lack of knowledge.. People are too hyper focused on Linux and not thinking UNIX in general.
Otherwise its unfair to the employee.
This is a DB that even the studios are using to spread information (info about movies in production, complete cast lists/etc. before the movies are out)..
This 'could' be used to do that ( I bet they MPAA has made sure that they have the DVD codes somewhere so that it can be tracked)...
Oh please.. The problem is that parents are not teaching their kids right from wrong.. I mean for a 12 year old kid to KILL his own 6 year old cousin "doing wresting moves" (when the autopsy shows that the victim had skull fractures and lots of other injurys)... He was just tried (and convicted) as an adult.. And I'm glad.. It will keep this person who OBVIOUSLY doens't know right from harming someone else...
Mere animals can manage to care for their children until they are ready to be adults. Why can't we? We blindly focus on one tiny aspect of life - the first amendment - and sacrifice everything else.
Because animals are PARENTS.. Not their child's friend.. Thats the problem.. Parents want to be friends, not parents...
Why must children in public libraries be able to view every piece of filth availible? They will be adults soon enough; then they will be able to make adult choices. Until then, children need to be protected, though, not used as pawns in a libertarian game.
Define Filth.. THERE'S the problem... Noone can come up with a standard.. to some the Venus DeMilo is filth.. The statue of David is filth.. The birth of Venus is filth.. They also want to block information about abortion, birth control, etc.