There are many, many solutions for this. Anyone interested in running any sort of computer in their vehicle should visit the discussion forums on MP3Car
Lots of good ideas there. Palm Pilot control is just one:)
I really don't see where the Slashdot editors have taken any stand at all from the above blurb. They're just reporting this, it doesn't mean they MUST be against it.
Read it again, there was no complaint included from Taco.
I've yet to work for a company where any knowlege of my off-time projects proves to do anything but cause them to cringe. It seems, that any imagination used outside of the company's walls is just "wasted"... or so I've experienced anywhere I've worked. Even the technical manager's I've worked for are far more interested in the bottom line of a company, than the joys of developing.
But it seems I've only had negative experiences on this issue...
and.... aren't we living in the country of competition?? In modern times, this competition has accellerated to the point where the dangerous leading edge technology is only dangerous for a very short period of time.
The problem as I see it, is the society lag. People cannot accept the new technology at the rate it's being produced now. Perhaps the lag is larger than it's been before, but I have yet to see a younger person who shares these ideas of "scary" technology. I thought I was pretty cutting edge when I was growing up (I'm 25 now), but the people I know in HS now make me seem like I was in the stone age.
I suspect this Luddite movement is going to be limited. Givin another generation cycle, the society lag will catch up. Perhaps after that, we will lag again. I probably won't live long enough to know...
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Besides, it's nice to have a stable place to build a new server or workstation from. Who wants to finish installing a new system and immediately have to FTP all over the planet??
For my main workstation, I might upgrade forever, but I tend to have to build systems too often. A recent RH CD and RPM save LOADS and LOADS of time.
This is all well and good for those of us who can handle that. Most of the masses, however, won't be able to find the tools or want to waste the time on it. It's similar to the copy protection schemes used for games and such now. Those who are going to pirate a game still do, regardless of protections.
These schemes are little more than putting a little wimpy doorlock on your wimpy hollow wooden front door. It's more of a deterrant than actual protection.
I think the goal here is to keep protection technology at a certain point relative to the deprotection technology... to make a "this door is locked" sort of statement.
Personally, I think CPAN makes a great model for what an end-all be-all package manager should be. Anything that handles dependencies and downloads automatically would be nice, but CPAN works SO WELL...
This method really has quite a bit of potential. It sounds like a solid method, and a great GUI based system could be built on top of it.
It would never work on any os that doesn't have symbolic links, which is a good or bad point depending on your beliefs.
Having said that, I'd like to see some kind of universal package manager that WOULD port to other OS's easily. Something that didn't need symbolic links and had hooks for proprietary things like ini file updates and device driver installations. I'm skeptical that this is possible though, as filesystems from different OS's tend to be so different.
In the great days of 2400 baud modems and 286 based BBS systems, there was less question about ethics and security. Most of the computers you connected to belonged to someone specific. Often times, one of your friends. You wouldn't dial in and try to wipe out their computer any more than you would key up their car.
Since BBS systems usually ran on someone's own personal machine, this didn't leave much doubt as to who you were intruding on by messing with the system. There may have been other users that were inconvenienced by such activity, but for the most part you were just irritating the owner of the BBS. Operators often reminded their users of this with trite warnings on their logon screen. Something to the effect of: "This computer is part of my home. Please don't crap in my home."
BBS's grew, and many had to be backed by businesses to get as large as they did. 40-line super boards didn't spring from someone's hobby board unless they were quite wealthy and bored. As the owner of the BBS became less obvious (it was now usually a company, rather than a person), people respected the system less. It might be a very normal reaction, (to respect an individuals wishes more than a group) but it didn't make it right. Something about making the responsability less personal made them forget.
Now that BBS's have grown to large web sites and internet communities, respect for property has dropped to pathetic levels. When was the last time you actually read the MOTD on a large FTP site? Most browsers don't even display them anymore. What are you missing? Probably a message that pleads with you to use a mirror site (bandwitdth costs!), and not to mirror them without permission. But more important than that, is the fact that you don't care. They could ask that you don't use more than one connection at a time, but you wouldn't know. They could ask that you upload 1K for ever 10K you download, but you probably wouldn't know that either unless it was enforced. These might not be security problems, but they are respect problems. People don't really care where there data is coming from, and they don't really care what kind of migrane they give the man running the irc chat server at CNN.
Most companies I've worked for don't have the resources to find an IRC god to contract in and set up their IRC server. Often from the time the idea hits, and the time idea has to be acted on, it may only be a week. Who winds implementing this "chat" idea that a PHB thought up? Probably the web designer down the hall that "has been on IRC before" and thinks he can find some software on Tucows. Is he thinking about security? Probably not. He'll turn on all the security initially, but then turn each thing off that interferes with getting the project done in time. It's total blasphemy to those who know what they're doing, but those people aren't there. Research takes time, and he doesn't have any.
Computer security compares quite a bit with the real world. Companies may have badge-id's and proximity sensor cards that open doors, but how hard is it to catch a closing door and walk in to most places? Should you do so, and go trash their lunch area, just to prove a point? Most of these measures are in place to help stop people from stealing intellectual property and customer information, not to keep out vandals.
The technology to build a moat has been around for a very long time. It's a very good security device for such an old idea, but just because the local burger place forgot to dig a moat around itself ("but how will we fit the drive through?" "huh, oh well, forget the moat"), should I sneak up and paint over their signs each night?
CNN treated this the best they could. They got stung a bit, and got over it. They had no moat to protect themselves, and someone nailed them a bit for it. It wasn't worth crying about.
The prankster shouldn't have messed around with their chat session. He was a guest on a system that doesn't belong to him. If only out of courtesy (rather than being forced to), he should have left it alone.
I am only offering a perspective here: CNN was right to just mention it but blow it off, nobody can expect even a handful of people to have perfect ethics; and the pranking guy shouldn't have screwed up CNN's chat, just because he could. Someday he might realize that, when he discovers someone has keyed his new car, just because they could.
One of the greatest powers of the internet is the way it strips everyone down to an equal level. Like anything else, it has a good side and a bad.
It'd be a bit like joining a club that required all the members to carry a baseball bat, but had no other way of determining who gets in the club. Most people would use their bats responsably, but the occasional five year old would still whack someone in the shins now and then.
We can't expect all parts of our population to be responsable. Instead, wear your own shin-guards, and laugh a bit at the poor soul who is dancing around in pain because he forgot his.
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Turns out this isn't entirely true. It was a mistake by the dev team that they were releasing in a few days. It'll actually be a few more weeks. :(
See here for some info:
http://www.nvnews.net/#998104819
There are many, many solutions for this. Anyone interested in running any sort of computer in their vehicle should visit the discussion forums on MP3Car
:)
Lots of good ideas there. Palm Pilot control is just one
I really don't see where the Slashdot editors have taken any stand at all from the above blurb. They're just reporting this, it doesn't mean they MUST be against it.
Read it again, there was no complaint included from Taco.
-M
I'm just not certain I could bring myself to purchase a control device called HEADMASTER. What would the neighbors think? :P
Where do I sign up? =)
I've yet to work for a company where any knowlege of my off-time projects proves to do anything but cause them to cringe. It seems, that any imagination used outside of the company's walls is just "wasted"... or so I've experienced anywhere I've worked. Even the technical manager's I've worked for are far more interested in the bottom line of a company, than the joys of developing.
But it seems I've only had negative experiences on this issue...
bummer.
I guess I won't know if what you're saying is true... That link doesn't work.
LOL!
Now my coworkers are wondering, "what's so funny..."
oh well.
Woah, the 102 is kind of like... an ANTI palm pilot.
It sure would be fun to carry one of these around as a joke.
and.... aren't we living in the country of competition?? In modern times, this competition has accellerated to the point where the dangerous leading edge technology is only dangerous for a very short period of time.
The problem as I see it, is the society lag. People cannot accept the new technology at the rate it's being produced now. Perhaps the lag is larger than it's been before, but I have yet to see a younger person who shares these ideas of "scary" technology. I thought I was pretty cutting edge when I was growing up (I'm 25 now), but the people I know in HS now make me seem like I was in the stone age.
I suspect this Luddite movement is going to be limited. Givin another generation cycle, the society lag will catch up. Perhaps after that, we will lag again. I probably won't live long enough to know...
2 cent refund available with original receipt only!
-Matt
Besides, it's nice to have a stable place to build a new server or workstation from. Who wants to finish installing a new system and immediately have to FTP all over the planet??
For my main workstation, I might upgrade forever, but I tend to have to build systems too often. A recent RH CD and RPM save LOADS and LOADS of time.
-Matt
Somehow, I just KNEW 7.0 was coming out REAL SOON... so I used a CDRW. I still lost those 15 minutes though.
Does anyone know of anywhere to recycle electronics in Oregon? I've got an old 20 inch b/w Sun monitor I REALLY want to dump.
This is all well and good for those of us who can handle that. Most of the masses, however, won't be able to find the tools or want to waste the time on it. It's similar to the copy protection schemes used for games and such now. Those who are going to pirate a game still do, regardless of protections.
These schemes are little more than putting a little wimpy doorlock on your wimpy hollow wooden front door. It's more of a deterrant than actual protection.
I think the goal here is to keep protection technology at a certain point relative to the deprotection technology... to make a "this door is locked" sort of statement.
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-m
I have to totally agree with this.
Up with independent artists, down with recording industries.
-m
I noticed that when running IDcide w/ IE that the bug wouldn't work. I tested it on and off, and it seems to protect against the bug.
If you don't want to turn off javascript, try using IDcide. This is the sort of thing I think it was made for.
Personally, I think CPAN makes a great model for what an end-all be-all package manager should be. Anything that handles dependencies and downloads automatically would be nice, but CPAN works SO WELL...
This method really has quite a bit of potential. It sounds like a solid method, and a great GUI based system could be built on top of it.
It would never work on any os that doesn't have symbolic links, which is a good or bad point depending on your beliefs.
Having said that, I'd like to see some kind of universal package manager that WOULD port to other OS's easily. Something that didn't need symbolic links and had hooks for proprietary things like ini file updates and device driver installations. I'm skeptical that this is possible though, as filesystems from different OS's tend to be so different.
In the great days of 2400 baud modems and 286 based BBS systems, there was less question about ethics and security. Most of the computers you connected to belonged to someone specific. Often times, one of your friends. You wouldn't dial in and try to wipe out their computer any more than you would key up their car.
Since BBS systems usually ran on someone's own personal machine, this didn't leave much doubt as to who you were intruding on by messing with the system. There may have been other users that were inconvenienced by such activity, but for the most part you were just irritating the owner of the BBS. Operators often reminded their users of this with trite warnings on their logon screen. Something to the effect of: "This computer is part of my home. Please don't crap in my home."
BBS's grew, and many had to be backed by businesses to get as large as they did. 40-line super boards didn't spring from someone's hobby board unless they were quite wealthy and bored. As the owner of the BBS became less obvious (it was now usually a company, rather than a person), people respected the system less. It might be a very normal reaction, (to respect an individuals wishes more than a group) but it didn't make it right. Something about making the responsability less personal made them forget.
Now that BBS's have grown to large web sites and internet communities, respect for property has dropped to pathetic levels. When was the last time you actually read the MOTD on a large FTP site? Most browsers don't even display them anymore. What are you missing? Probably a message that pleads with you to use a mirror site (bandwitdth costs!), and not to mirror them without permission. But more important than that, is the fact that you don't care. They could ask that you don't use more than one connection at a time, but you wouldn't know. They could ask that you upload 1K for ever 10K you download, but you probably wouldn't know that either unless it was enforced. These might not be security problems, but they are respect problems. People don't really care where there data is coming from, and they don't really care what kind of migrane they give the man running the irc chat server at CNN.
Most companies I've worked for don't have the resources to find an IRC god to contract in and set up their IRC server. Often from the time the idea hits, and the time idea has to be acted on, it may only be a week. Who winds implementing this "chat" idea that a PHB thought up? Probably the web designer down the hall that "has been on IRC before" and thinks he can find some software on Tucows. Is he thinking about security? Probably not. He'll turn on all the security initially, but then turn each thing off that interferes with getting the project done in time. It's total blasphemy to those who know what they're doing, but those people aren't there. Research takes time, and he doesn't have any.
Computer security compares quite a bit with the real world. Companies may have badge-id's and proximity sensor cards that open doors, but how hard is it to catch a closing door and walk in to most places? Should you do so, and go trash their lunch area, just to prove a point? Most of these measures are in place to help stop people from stealing intellectual property and customer information, not to keep out vandals.
The technology to build a moat has been around for a very long time. It's a very good security device for such an old idea, but just because the local burger place forgot to dig a moat around itself ("but how will we fit the drive through?" "huh, oh well, forget the moat"), should I sneak up and paint over their signs each night?
CNN treated this the best they could. They got stung a bit, and got over it. They had no moat to protect themselves, and someone nailed them a bit for it. It wasn't worth crying about.
The prankster shouldn't have messed around with their chat session. He was a guest on a system that doesn't belong to him. If only out of courtesy (rather than being forced to), he should have left it alone.
I am only offering a perspective here: CNN was right to just mention it but blow it off, nobody can expect even a handful of people to have perfect ethics; and the pranking guy shouldn't have screwed up CNN's chat, just because he could. Someday he might realize that, when he discovers someone has keyed his new car, just because they could.
Matt
One of the greatest powers of the internet is the way it strips everyone down to an equal level. Like anything else, it has a good side and a bad.
It'd be a bit like joining a club that required all the members to carry a baseball bat, but had no other way of determining who gets in the club. Most people would use their bats responsably, but the occasional five year old would still whack someone in the shins now and then.
We can't expect all parts of our population to be responsable. Instead, wear your own shin-guards, and laugh a bit at the poor soul who is dancing around in pain because he forgot his.