I seriously don't think it's worth the trouble to go to Mars, just to go. However, I support the effort because it will advance technology and likely lead to gains in scientific knowledge should we actually get there (which I don't think is likely).
We don't need to get there to get the gains. Just like the heyday of NASA, the money spent on this goal mostly goes towards R&D, that historically has led to both direct and indirect commercial value and consumer products.
Inventing the stuff to get humans to Mars promises both medical advances and a serious reduction in payload cost-to-orbit, plus all the inevitable side-effect technologies and products.
Yes, regardless of what the other guy claims, US does have lots of sensor equipment along its roads. Any place where you can see live traffic conditions on Google maps has some kind of a sensor network
That's not a roadside sensor network, that's Google knowing where all Android phones are at all times.
The real reason we won't simplify taxes in the US is: the rich would pay a lot more. The fundamental purpose of every subsection and curlicue in the tax code is "Senator's rich friend won't pay this tax".
That's the true and only reason we'll never get a flat tax in the US. (Heck, if we were smart it would be a flat payroll tax, so no tax filing unless you have investment income).
violence against women and girls such as "baiting" -- which labels someone as sexually promiscuous and can include the use of humiliating photoshopped images;
Wow, so now the definition of "violence" includes mean tweets? Having been through actual violence, from beatings to robbery, I'll take mean tweets any day.
"Violence" is not a thing that can happen through the internet. Oh, sure, you can incite it, but that's already a crime, no special "on a computer" law needed. I can see the point in making "doxxing" explicitly a kind of harassment, but really, don't these people have any real crime to chase? You know, the kind that leaves people with actual injury?
The alt-right believes that homosexuality is a disease or worse a political movement closely tied to Marxism
You're confused. Who do you think the "alt-right" is the alternative to? It's the right that's not the religious right. Yeah, there are some nutters there as with any somewhat-fringe movement, but they're really quite distant from the religious right.
This is the true face of the Republican Party
Wait, I thought you were talking about the alt right? Now you're talking about the Republican Party? Well, those guys are completely useless.
There may be a conservative US party again one day (in ways different from the Dems, that is), but whatever that new coalition will look like, it won't include the religious right. Give him this: Trump proved you don't need the religious right to win the primary.
seems unlikely that Chinese manufacturers would make one set of devices for the U.S. and one for everyone else.
They do this with almost everything manufactured in China - including the version with the branding, and the (sometimes local-only) cheap version without logos. Chinese manufacturing companies are really good at manufacturing these days, and can do custom runs easily.
In the case of IoT, there'd certainly be a version with a backdoor for the Chinese government, so we can only hope there would be 2 versions.
Someone else suggested a UL-like certification for household IoT. I really like that solution. It's not hard for the average person to understand that this seal means a stranger can't watch you through your webcam, can't unlock your doors, etc. I think people would care, if it were as simple as looking for 1 logo, no geek needed.
Most well off white men I know came from poor families but are very talented in their domains. They also so happen to be my friends or family.
In my family, my parent's generation were very uneducated and poor. Some not even a high school degree. I didn't even have a TV until I was a pre-teen. But in my family at my generation, we now have a few millionaires, a few MDs who graduated top of their class, and several PHDs and Masters. Two things both sides of my family hold highly, wit and trying your best, but don't forget to relax.
This. There are quite a few well-off white men in my circle of friends now. None of us had all 3 of well-to-do family, two-parent household, and college degree. I'd say 1 of those 3 things is average - a disreputable bunch of trailer trash, hillbillies, and logging camp refuse if I ever saw one. But we made good, mostly in technical fields though there's the one CEO and the one MBA. Everyone else well-off I know is a first or second-generation immigrant.
So why don't you show up about when the actual movie starts? That's what I do, when I care to see a movie. A week after opening the theater will be nearly empty on week nights, no reason to get there early, or even on time.
Every mass shooting in the US (at least for several decades) has been in a gun-free zone, with one exception (and that was an assassination with a lot of collateral damage). There has never been a mass shooting at any place advertising "guns welcome".
IMO, this is like having the sign for a home security system in your yard (or window stickers). Does it actually prevent theft? No. But if your neighbors don't have the same, you're an unattractive target.
Setting aside the broader issue, if some theaters welcomed guns, and some banned them, all historical evidence suggests someone planning a mass shooting is going to pick a gun-free one.
, it is the actual belief that no deities exist, and as such is certainly a religion.
Asserting it doesn't make it so. There is no religion that consists solely of belief in some set of gods, and there are regions without specific gods.
Wikipedia explains:
Religion is a cultural system of behaviors and practices, world views, sacred texts, holy places, ethics, and societal organisation that relate humanity to what an anthropologist has called "an order of existence".
That's a pretty solid explanation. Notice what's missing?
Atheism is a "religious preference". It is not a religion. A statement about the existence of one or more gods is neither necessary nor sufficient for a religion.
it governs how you behave in life
So does chemotherapy.
"Atheism" is not a specific code of conduct, nor set of values, nor "recipe for life". It is merely a statement about the existence of gods. Yes, many religions do that, but that no more makes atheism a religion than dressing up once a week to meet with friends makes LARPing a religion. It's merely an overlap with religion.
The (reasonable) claim isn't that the bot "learn[ed] to play solely from feedback from the display buffer", unless you add "exactly like a human would". A human would bring a lot of context before he started "learning". Sure, we can slice it very fine about whether a human could figure out what a health bar was, eventually, without knowing ahead of time, but then, perhaps that NN would too given a longer training time.
The main thing is, if we go back to when Doom was new, the human already knew that dying was the failure state, that creatures attacking you are bad, and so on. When id wrote the game, they wrote it around those assumptions - it was as natural to the devs as the players. So, when something that looks like a demon (or an opposing player) shoots you with something that looks like a gun, you bring prior knowledge that that hurts - you can guess the function of the health bar pretty quickly from that prior knowledge.
I dunno, perhaps some people though the bot learned to live in the game world the same ay a baby learns to live in the would, tabula rasa? That's silly, but I don't read the thread that way. Most people are asking how this is different from a classic aimbot, and the difference is it only gets the screen buffer, not the side channel (aimbots get all the other prior knowledge of failure states etc. too, you see).
I guess I still agree with like "the point is that the AI learned to play the game from only screen data. No maps, no preset strategy, just visual data". We're arguing about what "learned to play the game" means. You seem to be objecting that "that part the computer can't do yet, that's the important part", which people have been saying about AI research for 50 years of progress.
Big money likes to win and can afford to buy the privilege. SpaceX and Blue Origin had better hurry and hope UAL doesn't decided to swat the annoying startups.
The big money actually works the other way. Boeing has a market cap of $83B, but $9B in cash and $11B in debt. LM is of similar size, but has mostly debt.
On the other side, Bezos has a personal net worth of over $45B, and Musk of over $13B. That's a lot more weight to throw around, if they want to.
Bezos could technically buy a controlling interest in either BA or LM with his personal fortune.
The threat is that BA and LM are much better at feeding money into the "militarized regulatory complex", and might cleverly lobby for rules that would shut down the outsiders. But neither Bezos nor Musk is blind to that part of the game, and they seem to be doing OK so far.
You seem to be slicing something very fine that seems of minor importance, unless I'm missing something. When a human learns to play Doom, he starts knowing the success criteria, he knows upfront that the basic tasks are "maze explorer" and "move and shoot", and what the health bar is. Yet we still say he "learns to play Doom".
From what I read, the bot learned the map, learned to move and shoot in an effective way, and had only the screen buffer and a health number as an interface with the game - not the additional side-channel info (map, player locations, etc) that someone writing a normal aimbot would use.
You've missed the point I think. This isn't an aimbot.
This is a neural net that needed to learn on its own what an enemy looked like on the screen, and what obstacles were, and how to move around them, and so on. The basic "strategy" logic of the bot was fairly simple: a maze explorer, plus an aimbot. The interesting part was doing that given only the screen buffer to work with (well, they cheated a bit by giving the health explicitly).
You've yet to explain your point. It learned to play the game, which is in fact somewhat like the average undergrads NN project (perhaps a bit more elaborate in scope). And...?
The leaked document (if real) shows the Clinton Foundation as a sort of bribery clearing house for the Dem leadership - bribes form all the banks get marked for all the powerful Dems. Very damning if true, but just a bit too tidy to be credible IMO. Anyway, that's the TARP link - it's Clinton as bribe broker for the whole party.
Which is what makes it an interesting test of an AI. It's not like aimbots are new or anything, but an AI that humans fail to outsmart is something. Of course, the devil is in the details.
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Its really clear how CNN attacks the big O and H of America
Well, going to Mars will involve a lot of love for the O and the H and the exothermic combining thereof!
I seriously don't think it's worth the trouble to go to Mars, just to go. However, I support the effort because it will advance technology and likely lead to gains in scientific knowledge should we actually get there (which I don't think is likely).
We don't need to get there to get the gains. Just like the heyday of NASA, the money spent on this goal mostly goes towards R&D, that historically has led to both direct and indirect commercial value and consumer products.
Inventing the stuff to get humans to Mars promises both medical advances and a serious reduction in payload cost-to-orbit, plus all the inevitable side-effect technologies and products.
Yes, regardless of what the other guy claims, US does have lots of sensor equipment along its roads. Any place where you can see live traffic conditions on Google maps has some kind of a sensor network
That's not a roadside sensor network, that's Google knowing where all Android phones are at all times.
The real reason we won't simplify taxes in the US is: the rich would pay a lot more. The fundamental purpose of every subsection and curlicue in the tax code is "Senator's rich friend won't pay this tax".
That's the true and only reason we'll never get a flat tax in the US. (Heck, if we were smart it would be a flat payroll tax, so no tax filing unless you have investment income).
violence against women and girls such as "baiting" -- which labels someone as sexually promiscuous and can include the use of humiliating photoshopped images;
Wow, so now the definition of "violence" includes mean tweets? Having been through actual violence, from beatings to robbery, I'll take mean tweets any day.
"Violence" is not a thing that can happen through the internet. Oh, sure, you can incite it, but that's already a crime, no special "on a computer" law needed. I can see the point in making "doxxing" explicitly a kind of harassment, but really, don't these people have any real crime to chase? You know, the kind that leaves people with actual injury?
Nobody need some old codger who can't hear that whooshing sound unless he turns up his hearing aid.
The alt-right believes that homosexuality is a disease or worse a political movement closely tied to Marxism
You're confused. Who do you think the "alt-right" is the alternative to? It's the right that's not the religious right. Yeah, there are some nutters there as with any somewhat-fringe movement, but they're really quite distant from the religious right.
This is the true face of the Republican Party
Wait, I thought you were talking about the alt right? Now you're talking about the Republican Party? Well, those guys are completely useless.
There may be a conservative US party again one day (in ways different from the Dems, that is), but whatever that new coalition will look like, it won't include the religious right. Give him this: Trump proved you don't need the religious right to win the primary.
seems unlikely that Chinese manufacturers would make one set of devices for the U.S. and one for everyone else.
They do this with almost everything manufactured in China - including the version with the branding, and the (sometimes local-only) cheap version without logos. Chinese manufacturing companies are really good at manufacturing these days, and can do custom runs easily.
In the case of IoT, there'd certainly be a version with a backdoor for the Chinese government, so we can only hope there would be 2 versions.
Someone else suggested a UL-like certification for household IoT. I really like that solution. It's not hard for the average person to understand that this seal means a stranger can't watch you through your webcam, can't unlock your doors, etc. I think people would care, if it were as simple as looking for 1 logo, no geek needed.
Most well off white men I know came from poor families but are very talented in their domains. They also so happen to be my friends or family.
In my family, my parent's generation were very uneducated and poor. Some not even a high school degree. I didn't even have a TV until I was a pre-teen. But in my family at my generation, we now have a few millionaires, a few MDs who graduated top of their class, and several PHDs and Masters. Two things both sides of my family hold highly, wit and trying your best, but don't forget to relax.
This. There are quite a few well-off white men in my circle of friends now. None of us had all 3 of well-to-do family, two-parent household, and college degree. I'd say 1 of those 3 things is average - a disreputable bunch of trailer trash, hillbillies, and logging camp refuse if I ever saw one. But we made good, mostly in technical fields though there's the one CEO and the one MBA. Everyone else well-off I know is a first or second-generation immigrant.
I defy you to find me a person who is not moved after watching "Apocalypse Now,"
I've never managed to stay awake though it. Couldn't finish Heart of Darkness either.
So why don't you show up about when the actual movie starts? That's what I do, when I care to see a movie. A week after opening the theater will be nearly empty on week nights, no reason to get there early, or even on time.
The Iron Man movies are good though - other than the mandatory big stupid Hollywood ending, they aren't even explosion fests.
Every mass shooting in the US (at least for several decades) has been in a gun-free zone, with one exception (and that was an assassination with a lot of collateral damage). There has never been a mass shooting at any place advertising "guns welcome".
IMO, this is like having the sign for a home security system in your yard (or window stickers). Does it actually prevent theft? No. But if your neighbors don't have the same, you're an unattractive target.
Setting aside the broader issue, if some theaters welcomed guns, and some banned them, all historical evidence suggests someone planning a mass shooting is going to pick a gun-free one.
, it is the actual belief that no deities exist, and as such is certainly a religion.
Asserting it doesn't make it so. There is no religion that consists solely of belief in some set of gods, and there are regions without specific gods.
Wikipedia explains:
Religion is a cultural system of behaviors and practices, world views, sacred texts, holy places, ethics, and societal organisation that relate humanity to what an anthropologist has called "an order of existence".
That's a pretty solid explanation. Notice what's missing?
Yes. Atheism is a belief about the nature of god,
Atheism is a "religious preference". It is not a religion. A statement about the existence of one or more gods is neither necessary nor sufficient for a religion.
it governs how you behave in life
So does chemotherapy.
"Atheism" is not a specific code of conduct, nor set of values, nor "recipe for life". It is merely a statement about the existence of gods. Yes, many religions do that, but that no more makes atheism a religion than dressing up once a week to meet with friends makes LARPing a religion. It's merely an overlap with religion.
The (reasonable) claim isn't that the bot "learn[ed] to play solely from feedback from the display buffer", unless you add "exactly like a human would". A human would bring a lot of context before he started "learning". Sure, we can slice it very fine about whether a human could figure out what a health bar was, eventually, without knowing ahead of time, but then, perhaps that NN would too given a longer training time.
The main thing is, if we go back to when Doom was new, the human already knew that dying was the failure state, that creatures attacking you are bad, and so on. When id wrote the game, they wrote it around those assumptions - it was as natural to the devs as the players. So, when something that looks like a demon (or an opposing player) shoots you with something that looks like a gun, you bring prior knowledge that that hurts - you can guess the function of the health bar pretty quickly from that prior knowledge.
I dunno, perhaps some people though the bot learned to live in the game world the same ay a baby learns to live in the would, tabula rasa? That's silly, but I don't read the thread that way. Most people are asking how this is different from a classic aimbot, and the difference is it only gets the screen buffer, not the side channel (aimbots get all the other prior knowledge of failure states etc. too, you see).
I guess I still agree with like "the point is that the AI learned to play the game from only screen data. No maps, no preset strategy, just visual data". We're arguing about what "learned to play the game" means. You seem to be objecting that "that part the computer can't do yet, that's the important part", which people have been saying about AI research for 50 years of progress.
Big money likes to win and can afford to buy the privilege. SpaceX and Blue Origin had better hurry and hope UAL doesn't decided to swat the annoying startups.
The big money actually works the other way. Boeing has a market cap of $83B, but $9B in cash and $11B in debt. LM is of similar size, but has mostly debt.
On the other side, Bezos has a personal net worth of over $45B, and Musk of over $13B. That's a lot more weight to throw around, if they want to.
Bezos could technically buy a controlling interest in either BA or LM with his personal fortune.
The threat is that BA and LM are much better at feeding money into the "militarized regulatory complex", and might cleverly lobby for rules that would shut down the outsiders. But neither Bezos nor Musk is blind to that part of the game, and they seem to be doing OK so far.
The thing about rocket science? Every part is the hard part.
You seem to be slicing something very fine that seems of minor importance, unless I'm missing something. When a human learns to play Doom, he starts knowing the success criteria, he knows upfront that the basic tasks are "maze explorer" and "move and shoot", and what the health bar is. Yet we still say he "learns to play Doom".
From what I read, the bot learned the map, learned to move and shoot in an effective way, and had only the screen buffer and a health number as an interface with the game - not the additional side-channel info (map, player locations, etc) that someone writing a normal aimbot would use.
You've missed the point I think. This isn't an aimbot.
This is a neural net that needed to learn on its own what an enemy looked like on the screen, and what obstacles were, and how to move around them, and so on. The basic "strategy" logic of the bot was fairly simple: a maze explorer, plus an aimbot. The interesting part was doing that given only the screen buffer to work with (well, they cheated a bit by giving the health explicitly).
You've yet to explain your point. It learned to play the game, which is in fact somewhat like the average undergrads NN project (perhaps a bit more elaborate in scope). And ...?
The leaked document (if real) shows the Clinton Foundation as a sort of bribery clearing house for the Dem leadership - bribes form all the banks get marked for all the powerful Dems. Very damning if true, but just a bit too tidy to be credible IMO. Anyway, that's the TARP link - it's Clinton as bribe broker for the whole party.
Which is what makes it an interesting test of an AI. It's not like aimbots are new or anything, but an AI that humans fail to outsmart is something. Of course, the devil is in the details.