We've found from the antics of the various music / film industry bodies that it's actually about "How much can we throw at it before we win?"
Your self-addressed envelope might be cheap now, but is the cost saved enough to put into defending your rights to the work later? Or is a document certifying authenticity from an accredited (albeit expensive) body more likely to get a case dropped, or prevent a case being filed in the first place?
Plus, from the cited Wikipedia article, the very first words in the quote are "... it may help..." You can interpret that as advice if you wish, but I prefer to think of it as "This is ok, but you don't want to rely on it as the only protection you have."
This is a scenario where either an envelope was self-addressed and mailed unsealed (Postal company have no duty to ensure post is sealed properly) or sealed temporarily before sending, or the seal was tampered with in a way which isn't apparent under cursory examination (steamed open, a chemical applied to break down the original adhesive).
No. But in Civil court, "reasonable doubt" is significantly reduced to more of "It's quite feesible that this occured."
A decent lawyer will point out that the envelope could have been sealed later, and the whole thing will fall apart. We're not talking about a murder investigation with hundreds of man-hours in investigation. This is a hypothetical civil case between a lone music creator and another (possibly larger) entity using it without paying for a license. For the £xx it would cost to submit the work to the Copyright registration service, it seems like a lot of risk if things go badly.
Are you going to pay for a forensic scientist to take samples of the glue used to seal the envelope, and hold the sticker in place, to prove that it's not just Pritt-stick'd down after unsealing it?
Indeed. I'm sure Metallica would love to hear that I downloaded their entire back catalogue from TPB for an extra £2 per month on my broadband bill!
Plus, my ISP will love me seeding everything I have, and downloading absolutely everything I can all day, every day. It won't hit their profits at all...
This won't work for one very good reason. The postal service is not obliged to ensure that your package or envelope is sealed at time of posting.
"Very clever, Mr NSN. Now, prove to the court that the envelope was sealed at the time of posting and that you didn't just mail yourself a Special Delivery package unsealed, in which you later placed the work you claim to hold copyright to."
1) Costs will be passed on to the consumer, ensuring that the companies themselves are not affected. 2) The incidence of infringement of the laws these levies are intended to cover will increase, as th general population feel they have paid for a service which they should now make use of, and the costs these levies are intended to cover will increase exponentially.
Best of luck to them. I say 12 months down the line, they're out of business as nobody is buying music anymore. Why buy it a second time when I've already bought it once with my levy payment?
A similar situation occurred when I went from a freestyle kickboxing class (which shut down) to a karate / kickboxing combo class. The very first lesson I was asked what I'd done before, said I'd got a Yellow belt in kickboxing (third belt). By the end of the lesson, the instructor had called over a colleague from another school in the area to come spar with me the next week to assess me for a tournament place. I floored a second dan blackbelt with a simple leg sweep. I didn't go back, and since stopped going at all. The disconnect between different classes, let alone class and street, is enormous.
Like you, I'd much prefer to find one which allows you to fully explore the art with a risk of minor injury than have it all pansied down for 8 year olds and geriatrics.
They teach that to the military for a reason. It's designed to inflict maximum pain and injury, to totally incapacitate in a life-threatening situation.
It shouldn't be used outside of a war zone. Doing so should be considered excessive force.
This always amused me when people talk about not taking cheap shots in a street fight. Supposedly, you're never supposed to hit another guy in the crotch. Why the hell not?! That's not a canvas mat you're fighting on! There are no ropes, no referee! There's you, a guy who wants to hurt you, and plenty of extremely hard surfaces for him to make it happen!
I've always maintained that if you get into any fight, get it over with as quickly as possible. If you hit the floor, there's every chance it's not Queensberry Rules and you're going to get kicked until you're unconscious, have broken ribs etc. So there's no doubt in my mind that anyone who throws a punch at me which doesn't get me out cold will be on the end of groin shots, jabs at the eyes, hair pulling, biting, anything I can possibly do to make that guy the one who hits the floor, or at least think twice about picking on the mental kid. Then I can run the hell away like the scaredy-cat nerd I am!
Now, if we could only reprocess the damn fuel we'd have a clean method of power generation with very little overall waste for a couple hundred years at least.
Integral Fast Reactors On-site reprocessing of fissile materials to feed the reactor, with only minor extra fuel input required (almost 1.0 ratio reacted fuel, after reprocessing) and can be used to "burn" waste products of other reactors.
I haven't bought music of any kind in over two years. I'm still getting through the Heavy Metal stuff on Jamendo... it seems to be expanding faster than I can listen to it.
You mean someone might exploit a vulnerability in either a browser or web server and redirect someone to a site they didn't intend to visit?
A guy could come cut your break lines while your asleep so you crash your car on the way dropping your kids off at school in the morning. Guess they'd best stay at home, where it's safe.
I work in a school which has an on-site nature park. We have a lot of emails regarding wildlife found there. We have quite a few birds from the Paridae family, known to most as tits.
Let's rename them for he sake of Massachusetts, eh?
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No. I'm just not going to buy this phone. I hope it flops.
Yes. Exponentially.
Was there anything else?
We've found from the antics of the various music / film industry bodies that it's actually about "How much can we throw at it before we win?"
Your self-addressed envelope might be cheap now, but is the cost saved enough to put into defending your rights to the work later? Or is a document certifying authenticity from an accredited (albeit expensive) body more likely to get a case dropped, or prevent a case being filed in the first place?
Plus, from the cited Wikipedia article, the very first words in the quote are "... it may help..." You can interpret that as advice if you wish, but I prefer to think of it as "This is ok, but you don't want to rely on it as the only protection you have."
This is a scenario where either an envelope was self-addressed and mailed unsealed (Postal company have no duty to ensure post is sealed properly) or sealed temporarily before sending, or the seal was tampered with in a way which isn't apparent under cursory examination (steamed open, a chemical applied to break down the original adhesive).
Please, read the whole thread before commenting.
No. But in Civil court, "reasonable doubt" is significantly reduced to more of "It's quite feesible that this occured."
A decent lawyer will point out that the envelope could have been sealed later, and the whole thing will fall apart. We're not talking about a murder investigation with hundreds of man-hours in investigation. This is a hypothetical civil case between a lone music creator and another (possibly larger) entity using it without paying for a license. For the £xx it would cost to submit the work to the Copyright registration service, it seems like a lot of risk if things go badly.
Ever steamed open an envelope?
Are you going to pay for a forensic scientist to take samples of the glue used to seal the envelope, and hold the sticker in place, to prove that it's not just Pritt-stick'd down after unsealing it?
More importantly, did their grandmothers knit them jumpers which were 3 sizes too big?
Indeed. I'm sure Metallica would love to hear that I downloaded their entire back catalogue from TPB for an extra £2 per month on my broadband bill!
Plus, my ISP will love me seeding everything I have, and downloading absolutely everything I can all day, every day. It won't hit their profits at all...
This won't work for one very good reason. The postal service is not obliged to ensure that your package or envelope is sealed at time of posting.
"Very clever, Mr NSN. Now, prove to the court that the envelope was sealed at the time of posting and that you didn't just mail yourself a Special Delivery package unsealed, in which you later placed the work you claim to hold copyright to."
UK Copyright Service site with more info on "Poor Man's Copyright"
Which means two things are guaranteed:
1) Costs will be passed on to the consumer, ensuring that the companies themselves are not affected.
2) The incidence of infringement of the laws these levies are intended to cover will increase, as th general population feel they have paid for a service which they should now make use of, and the costs these levies are intended to cover will increase exponentially.
Best of luck to them. I say 12 months down the line, they're out of business as nobody is buying music anymore. Why buy it a second time when I've already bought it once with my levy payment?
It's A Great Day for Freedom.
Yes, it is, but we all need to do our part. After all, would you exchange a walk on part in the war for the lead role in a cage?
A similar situation occurred when I went from a freestyle kickboxing class (which shut down) to a karate / kickboxing combo class. The very first lesson I was asked what I'd done before, said I'd got a Yellow belt in kickboxing (third belt). By the end of the lesson, the instructor had called over a colleague from another school in the area to come spar with me the next week to assess me for a tournament place. I floored a second dan blackbelt with a simple leg sweep. I didn't go back, and since stopped going at all. The disconnect between different classes, let alone class and street, is enormous.
Like you, I'd much prefer to find one which allows you to fully explore the art with a risk of minor injury than have it all pansied down for 8 year olds and geriatrics.
They teach that to the military for a reason. It's designed to inflict maximum pain and injury, to totally incapacitate in a life-threatening situation.
It shouldn't be used outside of a war zone. Doing so should be considered excessive force.
This always amused me when people talk about not taking cheap shots in a street fight. Supposedly, you're never supposed to hit another guy in the crotch. Why the hell not?! That's not a canvas mat you're fighting on! There are no ropes, no referee! There's you, a guy who wants to hurt you, and plenty of extremely hard surfaces for him to make it happen!
I've always maintained that if you get into any fight, get it over with as quickly as possible. If you hit the floor, there's every chance it's not Queensberry Rules and you're going to get kicked until you're unconscious, have broken ribs etc. So there's no doubt in my mind that anyone who throws a punch at me which doesn't get me out cold will be on the end of groin shots, jabs at the eyes, hair pulling, biting, anything I can possibly do to make that guy the one who hits the floor, or at least think twice about picking on the mental kid. Then I can run the hell away like the scaredy-cat nerd I am!
Oblig xkcd:
I can't find the link, but it's the one which says that everything ready in 5 years will be ready in 10, 10 in 20, 20 in some time in the future etc. It would be funny, and I'd get a +5 Funny mod. However now I'm just going to get people who are pissed that they click this link and end up at the top of this page
Now, if we could only reprocess the damn fuel we'd have a clean method of power generation with very little overall waste for a couple hundred years at least.
Integral Fast Reactors
On-site reprocessing of fissile materials to feed the reactor, with only minor extra fuel input required (almost 1.0 ratio reacted fuel, after reprocessing) and can be used to "burn" waste products of other reactors.
I sea what you did they're.
I haven't bought music of any kind in over two years. I'm still getting through the Heavy Metal stuff on Jamendo... it seems to be expanding faster than I can listen to it.
One word:
kdawson
It was in the public library, museums...
National Geographic photos of African tribeswomen doesn't count.
Well, thank Cthulhu for that!
Remember where you are, Brother.
You mean someone might exploit a vulnerability in either a browser or web server and redirect someone to a site they didn't intend to visit?
A guy could come cut your break lines while your asleep so you crash your car on the way dropping your kids off at school in the morning. Guess they'd best stay at home, where it's safe.
I work in a school which has an on-site nature park. We have a lot of emails regarding wildlife found there. We have quite a few birds from the Paridae family, known to most as tits.
Let's rename them for he sake of Massachusetts, eh?
Harmful to "m..ors"?
Good point. Still, posting the IP was stupid. 4chan troll here a lot, so they probably have it by now.