from a post by Linus Torvalds in Oct 91:
> Sources for this pet project of mine can be found at nic.funet.fi
> (128.214.6.100) in the directory/pub/OS/Linux.
Even if someone else named it after him, if he's
really so humble he'd have changed the name, since 98% of people hear the name Linux and go "oh, Linus wrote it from scratch". Not gone "yep, cool, now I'll be famous and trademark the name".
Well if someone who did a small percentage of the work is going to name an OS after himself, then why shouldn't the name include the group who did the large percentage of the work? RMS didn't name an OS after himself that he based on other people's work. Stop viewing things through tinted glasses people.
Seems like a better survey would include a comparison of features and functionality, not just speed and opinions on aesthetics. I'm sure Opera renders pages fast but my vote is for Mozilla. I've found it to be more stable than Netscape and it supports Javascript (?), so I can read my email. Same with lynx and links, and I'd rather use them than Netscape.
Does Windows or Solaris sit there when you boot up saying "yes! I found the keyboard!". "YES! I'm using an Intel Pentium CPU" "Yes, you've got a hard drive". How bloody useless.
The BIOS boot screen tells you things like what CPU, how much memory you're running. If you really want to know what irq your soundcard is using, then you can do it after boot. That's what I just don't understand. Sure, great you can see what your machine is running, and your hardware settings. But.. No News is Good News. Ie, if when I boot up, the soundcard isn't found.. THEN tell me something is wrong. Otherwise I'll assume it's found and would really rather not have my hand held at every step of the way, thanks all the same. Is Linux really so flaky that it's so necessary to say that things ARE working rather than aren't? I don't have a problem with the messages being ugly/looking technical etc. I do have a problem with their relevance.
To each their own; I guess I don't have the correct Linux mindset and should stick with real Unix. -- Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
It's strange but I thought that Unix was meant to follow the "no news is good news" philosophy. When Linux spews out a line or two about every device it finds, it really makes you wonder which Linux is trying to be, Unix or just some you-beaut "look how technical I can look" OS. -- Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
What's the big deal about aptget? Packages IMHO suck. Slackware/BSD rule:) And dselect has my vote for the worst software interface ever. -- Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
This is all well and good in theory, but where are the examples to back you up? If this were a perfect world where people share ideas and are guided by ethics and ideals, then good. However, what is to stop people grabbing GPL'ed code, adding a bit to the user interface, and patenting/selling it? Most of the companies that have tried to make GPL work commercially (Corel, Eazel) don't seem to have done very well. Like it or not, this is a world of IP and patents, where things that aren't commercially viable are not sustainable. -- Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Leaking details won't make these systems unworkable if they are any good.
In fact it may make the copy protection schemes
better, as manufacturers realise security through obscurity doesn't work. And there's always the fact that you can't encrypt the final output, it has to be visible to us humans:) I mean granted video protection mucks this up a bit, but it's still watchable. -- Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Well yeah this looks cool, I thought I'd fill in the form.. Then I noticed "Visa number". What the hell? Buried in the rulebook part of the site it tells you it costs $US4.50 per turn! Why couldn't they mention that it costs on the main page? I don't know about Alamaze, since the site seems to have been slashdotted. -- Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Same complaint, I realise that if Meg Ryan is in anything it has to have some romance thrown in for those who are watching the movie just to see her giggle and angst, but c'mon. "Oh yay, I've met a big tough commando, who is really such a sensitive caring snowflake, I must do him now even though my husband is kidnapped and thinking about me so he can survive"? But the action bit at the end was great, an updated Rambo:)
What is with movies these days, must they ALL be touchy feely romance/historical/older people movies? So we can pretend we are going to the cinema to enrich ourselves spiritually rather than just for entertainment and a perv? -- Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
How is it affecting your life? Sure they can find a way to prevent distribution of copyrighted music. It doesn't take billions of dollars or jail, in fact it could just mean getting a law passed to make ISPs responsible for what files are transferred through their systems. What, you think that some mob renaming a few MP3s will mean that a multi billion dollar industry cartel are going to go Oops.. silly us, thought we could protect our interests. What's a couple of billion here or there? We are making enough money! Let's drop the whole thing and be friends? This is capitalism, the real-world.. It won't happen. -- Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Yes and reading this post may be a violation of national secrecy and get you a life sentence in a maximum security prison. Then again, if you're silly enough to believe a warning you read on a web page from a non-lawyer..
I think the big gap here is that naming files something else is not encrypting the actual files themselves. It's all pretty funny and pokes fun at silly laws, but seriously, do we want it known how easy it is to get past filters (so that they find a better way to control copyrighted music)? -- Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
I'd like to see a few directors jailed for constantly churning out such crap. A brief synopsis for those who can't be bothered reading the review: "Uptight bimbo forms romantic attachment to fat old man who is mysteriously able to kill people in inventive ways and elude capture, and listens to enough classical music and drinks the right types of wines to keep young women overlooking his little hobby of degrading, torturing and eating people for fun". Gimme a break. Its like a psychological thriller sans plot so that Ma and Pa from the trailer park and the nouveau elite try-hard thinking yuppies can enjoy it. -- Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Hear hear. While I don't really agree about GUIs treating people as idiots, I am sick of Linux copying Windows. Windows is okay, but the GUI fits what the OS is for. To come up with some warped-o GUI for Linux to trick users into thinking it's Win95 and make people feel all warm 'n' fuzzy, is never really going to quite work, because it can never fit the OS as well as the Windows GUI fits Windows. And while wonderful wanky sliding windows and aliased fonts may dazzle your girlfriend or your dog, do they make you work any better? I don't think so.
My favourite WM has been mosquito (similar to wm2) although CDE etc. are probably more pragmatic. I think *wm95 should be outlawed for people's own good;-) -- Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
I think the real question is how much do anti virus companies "mis-judge" how big a virus will be when they do their big usually wildly inaccurate PRs to CNN etc. If there are thousands of companies who've just spent $000s on antivirus software, how many IT staff will then turn around and say "er well, hardly anyone got the virus anyway, we just wasted your money Mr/Ms CEO"? It will be patting of backs and "Phew, lucky we spent all this money!". So then is that still a cost, given that they would not have got the virus anyway? -- Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
I'm serious, that was almost but not quite the catchphrase of an advertisement that was inflicted upon me on an International flight into Sydney. I couldn't believe my eyes, it's funny enough when Melbourne claims to have IT clues.
The video was nice though, lots of fancy transitions and pictures zooming into others etc.
-- Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
There are people (eg Cave Clan in Australia) who are into a particular type of infiltration called draining ie exploring storm water drains, tunnels etc. And yes in Melbourne they even had a NYE party in an underground cavern; California doesn't have the patent on cool parties.
However it is very dangerous; a teenage boy recently died in a drain due to a flash flood. Other hazards include gas, locked grates and prosecution. Cave Clan said this kid wasn't a member, they rejected him as being too young. The Internet has made what was once fairly well-kept secrets about tunnel entrances etc. very easily available, and it seems a lot of the web sites related to Cave Clan and draining in Australia have been closed pending legal advice. -- Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
If Australia's leaders can't or won't recognize that there is a problem, then good on Microsoft for telling them. I never fail to find amusing the "Adelaide is the free world's headquarters for IT innovation" and "Victoria is the world's multimedia and gaming mecca" advertisements, but
come on.. Radiata? Net censorship? Trying to
have broadband media classified as television?
Telstra telling us all for the last 5 years that DSL does not exist? -- Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
So what, it's only a video clip anyway?
As realistic as all the computer hacking bit is and all.. -- Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Re:Bombs might be more likely, but not nuclear war
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I haven't studied it, but I would've thought ANY use of nuclear weapons is likely to escalate to the stage where we'd all die.
You might find this article of interest. -- Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
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"A few nuclear devices" can do a lot of damage.
Surely a nuclear warhead from China or Pakistan would do almost as much damage as the US ones. -- Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
No I don't work in marketing, and no I don't personally want SPAM (my email address might've been a hint here). This might come as a rude shock to you, but there are plenty of people new to the Web out there who think it is wonderful that they get happy little personalised emails from shops/portals saying "Hi Sue! We have these new red dresses which being the wonderful connoiseur of red dresses that we know you are, we thought we'd be so kind as to tell you all about, so you can come and buy some from our cool ecommerce esite at www.eclothing.com". Assuming that Sue went to their web site, filled in her details and ticked the box that said "red dresses".
It is pretty sad but hey, welcome to the hype that is the Internet, an extension of our fucked-up materialistic disposable society. -- Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
These stories are all sad and all, but it is part of the dual-edged sword of technology. If people want the convenience of getting a nice email telling them the new CD from... is out, and you get a 10% discount because our records show you bought 10 CDs in the last 12 months, then those people are also subjected to the risk that the system will get screwed up, and you'll get emails about some other artist, or no discount. This is really just one tiny part of the larger problem, that technology is being introduced for the sake of it, without thought to the social and privacy implications. I mean if these credit checks worked perfectly and it was easy to find out who originally collected the information and say "but I paid that on the right date, here's my receipt" and get the loan etc. approved, are the credit checks still a bad thing? Are they a better of two evils as opposed to having to walk into a bank manager's office and conjure up paperwork of the last few years to prove you are a good credit risk? -- Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Yes, I meant Schonberg, thanks.
Another couple of things that happened at the time were Leipzig Gewandhaus and Conservatory being bombed by the Allies (and a lot of music was lost forever when places like those were destroyed), Alfred Einstein (the music critic) fleeing, and in November 1936 all criticism of art, music, drama and literature was forbidden in Germany. At Belsen Concentration Camp an orchestra of 6 nations played on while hundreds of women stood waiting to see if they'd be killed too.
(This is all from the Oxford Companion to Music). -- Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Dumb teachers exist too. I left my computer to
go get a drink and left a "Your PC is Stoned; don't touch the keyboard" or similar message in
the first cell of a spreadsheet in Lotus 1-2-3 in
the hope that nobody would pinch the computer while I was gone. When I returned the teacher was staring with utter fear at my computer telling me not to touch it.. And I'm there for 10 minutes trying to explain that if it has the Lotus menu along the top line, then it is still running 1-2-3, and that there really IS no evil virus. Argh. I think the best teacher I had was the one who asked me and my friend NOT to go to her classes, because she was sick of us picking up her mistakes (DOS batch files, eeks). -- Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
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from a post by Linus Torvalds in Oct 91: /pub/OS/Linux.
> Sources for this pet project of mine can be found at nic.funet.fi
> (128.214.6.100) in the directory
Even if someone else named it after him, if he's
really so humble he'd have changed the name, since 98% of people hear the name Linux and go "oh, Linus wrote it from scratch". Not gone "yep, cool, now I'll be famous and trademark the name".
Well if someone who did a small percentage of the work is going to name an OS after himself, then why shouldn't the name include the group who did the large percentage of the work? RMS didn't name an OS after himself that he based on other people's work. Stop viewing things through tinted glasses people.
Seems like a better survey would include a comparison of features and functionality, not just speed and opinions on aesthetics. I'm sure Opera renders pages fast but my vote is for Mozilla. I've found it to be more stable than Netscape and it supports Javascript (?), so I can read my email. Same with lynx and links, and I'd rather use them than Netscape.
The BIOS boot screen tells you things like what CPU, how much memory you're running. If you really want to know what irq your soundcard is using, then you can do it after boot. That's what I just don't understand. Sure, great you can see what your machine is running, and your hardware settings. But.. No News is Good News. Ie, if when I boot up, the soundcard isn't found.. THEN tell me something is wrong. Otherwise I'll assume it's found and would really rather not have my hand held at every step of the way, thanks all the same. Is Linux really so flaky that it's so necessary to say that things ARE working rather than aren't? I don't have a problem with the messages being ugly/looking technical etc. I do have a problem with their relevance.
To each their own; I guess I don't have the correct Linux mindset and should stick with real Unix.
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
It's strange but I thought that Unix was meant to follow the "no news is good news" philosophy. When Linux spews out a line or two about every device it finds, it really makes you wonder which Linux is trying to be, Unix or just some you-beaut "look how technical I can look" OS.
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
What's the big deal about aptget? Packages IMHO suck. Slackware/BSD rule :) And dselect has my vote for the worst software interface ever.
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
This is all well and good in theory, but where are the examples to back you up? If this were a perfect world where people share ideas and are guided by ethics and ideals, then good. However, what is to stop people grabbing GPL'ed code, adding a bit to the user interface, and patenting/selling it? Most of the companies that have tried to make GPL work commercially (Corel, Eazel) don't seem to have done very well. Like it or not, this is a world of IP and patents, where things that aren't commercially viable are not sustainable.
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Leaking details won't make these systems unworkable if they are any good. In fact it may make the copy protection schemes better, as manufacturers realise security through obscurity doesn't work. And there's always the fact that you can't encrypt the final output, it has to be visible to us humans :) I mean granted video protection mucks this up a bit, but it's still watchable.
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Well yeah this looks cool, I thought I'd fill in the form.. Then I noticed "Visa number". What the hell? Buried in the rulebook part of the site it tells you it costs $US4.50 per turn! Why couldn't they mention that it costs on the main page? I don't know about Alamaze, since the site seems to have been slashdotted.
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Same complaint, I realise that if Meg Ryan is in anything it has to have some romance thrown in for those who are watching the movie just to see her giggle and angst, but c'mon. "Oh yay, I've met a big tough commando, who is really such a sensitive caring snowflake, I must do him now even though my husband is kidnapped and thinking about me so he can survive"? But the action bit at the end was great, an updated Rambo :)
What is with movies these days, must they ALL be touchy feely romance/historical/older people movies? So we can pretend we are going to the cinema to enrich ourselves spiritually rather than just for entertainment and a perv?
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
How is it affecting your life? Sure they can find a way to prevent distribution of copyrighted music. It doesn't take billions of dollars or jail, in fact it could just mean getting a law passed to make ISPs responsible for what files are transferred through their systems. What, you think that some mob renaming a few MP3s will mean that a multi billion dollar industry cartel are going to go Oops.. silly us, thought we could protect our interests. What's a couple of billion here or there? We are making enough money! Let's drop the whole thing and be friends? This is capitalism, the real-world.. It won't happen.
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
I think the big gap here is that naming files something else is not encrypting the actual files themselves. It's all pretty funny and pokes fun at silly laws, but seriously, do we want it known how easy it is to get past filters (so that they find a better way to control copyrighted music)?
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
I'd like to see a few directors jailed for constantly churning out such crap. A brief synopsis for those who can't be bothered reading the review: "Uptight bimbo forms romantic attachment to fat old man who is mysteriously able to kill people in inventive ways and elude capture, and listens to enough classical music and drinks the right types of wines to keep young women overlooking his little hobby of degrading, torturing and eating people for fun". Gimme a break. Its like a psychological thriller sans plot so that Ma and Pa from the trailer park and the nouveau elite try-hard thinking yuppies can enjoy it.
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
My favourite WM has been mosquito (similar to wm2) although CDE etc. are probably more pragmatic. I think *wm95 should be outlawed for people's own good ;-)
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
I think the real question is how much do anti virus companies "mis-judge" how big a virus will be when they do their big usually wildly inaccurate PRs to CNN etc. If there are thousands of companies who've just spent $000s on antivirus software, how many IT staff will then turn around and say "er well, hardly anyone got the virus anyway, we just wasted your money Mr/Ms CEO"? It will be patting of backs and "Phew, lucky we spent all this money!". So then is that still a cost, given that they would not have got the virus anyway?
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
I'm serious, that was almost but not quite the catchphrase of an advertisement that was inflicted upon me on an International flight into Sydney. I couldn't believe my eyes, it's funny enough when Melbourne claims to have IT clues. The video was nice though, lots of fancy transitions and pictures zooming into others etc.
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
However it is very dangerous; a teenage boy recently died in a drain due to a flash flood. Other hazards include gas, locked grates and prosecution. Cave Clan said this kid wasn't a member, they rejected him as being too young. The Internet has made what was once fairly well-kept secrets about tunnel entrances etc. very easily available, and it seems a lot of the web sites related to Cave Clan and draining in Australia have been closed pending legal advice.
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
If Australia's leaders can't or won't recognize that there is a problem, then good on Microsoft for telling them. I never fail to find amusing the "Adelaide is the free world's headquarters for IT innovation" and "Victoria is the world's multimedia and gaming mecca" advertisements, but come on.. Radiata? Net censorship? Trying to have broadband media classified as television? Telstra telling us all for the last 5 years that DSL does not exist?
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
So what, it's only a video clip anyway? As realistic as all the computer hacking bit is and all..
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
You might find this article of interest.
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
"A few nuclear devices" can do a lot of damage. Surely a nuclear warhead from China or Pakistan would do almost as much damage as the US ones.
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
It is pretty sad but hey, welcome to the hype that is the Internet, an extension of our fucked-up materialistic disposable society.
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
These stories are all sad and all, but it is part of the dual-edged sword of technology. If people want the convenience of getting a nice email telling them the new CD from ... is out, and you get a 10% discount because our records show you bought 10 CDs in the last 12 months, then those people are also subjected to the risk that the system will get screwed up, and you'll get emails about some other artist, or no discount. This is really just one tiny part of the larger problem, that technology is being introduced for the sake of it, without thought to the social and privacy implications. I mean if these credit checks worked perfectly and it was easy to find out who originally collected the information and say "but I paid that on the right date, here's my receipt" and get the loan etc. approved, are the credit checks still a bad thing? Are they a better of two evils as opposed to having to walk into a bank manager's office and conjure up paperwork of the last few years to prove you are a good credit risk?
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Yes, I meant Schonberg, thanks. Another couple of things that happened at the time were Leipzig Gewandhaus and Conservatory being bombed by the Allies (and a lot of music was lost forever when places like those were destroyed), Alfred Einstein (the music critic) fleeing, and in November 1936 all criticism of art, music, drama and literature was forbidden in Germany. At Belsen Concentration Camp an orchestra of 6 nations played on while hundreds of women stood waiting to see if they'd be killed too. (This is all from the Oxford Companion to Music).
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Dumb teachers exist too. I left my computer to go get a drink and left a "Your PC is Stoned; don't touch the keyboard" or similar message in the first cell of a spreadsheet in Lotus 1-2-3 in the hope that nobody would pinch the computer while I was gone. When I returned the teacher was staring with utter fear at my computer telling me not to touch it.. And I'm there for 10 minutes trying to explain that if it has the Lotus menu along the top line, then it is still running 1-2-3, and that there really IS no evil virus. Argh. I think the best teacher I had was the one who asked me and my friend NOT to go to her classes, because she was sick of us picking up her mistakes (DOS batch files, eeks).
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.