The fact that they have different formats is more proof of clashing bravado.
From whose side? Just from GNOME's? Just because they are bad by definition?
The two projects, especially Helix
I see one here. Who's the second?
I'd like to see Gnome (the project I have more hope for) truly innovate.
Like what? Design new UI paradigm? Sorry, puny volonteer project is not where you expect it from. Neither KDE nor GNOME won't bring you truly innovative UI. There wasn't innovation in this field for decades, and GNOME or KDE folks aren't the Batman either. They just build working thing, not save the world. Maybe Xerox PARC labs will do:)
Anyway, the desktop market, both for home and business use is where true mindshare comes from.
Not true. All technology is born in labs, not in kitchens. If you conquer the labs (and Linux is moving pretty fast in this direction), all new features (including new desktop ideas) will be yours eventually. All concepts eventually die, and even OLE will. And why won't the Linux desktop be next?
As for Linux users attitude - that's not Linux fault. Choose better friends for yourself:) Same goes for your 10-years-old canned Linux myths ("no docs", "hard to install", "too many choices", etc., etc.) Believe me, every word you say here was said and proven false years ago. Please don't start this again.
There is a real lot of demand for this. The only really working one (at least among known ones) is Deja, and its Usenet search capability is rapidly becoming third-grade-of-importance add-on to their commercial setups. Compare this to how many Internet searches we have (and how many we had before Google - and it's still the top one I use). We really need the Usenet Google - there's a lot of useful information among that noise, and we need a tool to extract it. Also, fast indexing would be a real bonus - so that if you look for a comment on recently-released software, for example - you won't get two monthes old data. But at least decent search and archival is necessary. Deja desperately needs strong competitor.
Well, certainly they don't do it "to compete with kde's koffice". That would be pretty silly thing to do. They do it to get things done and have a good office app. If K gets another one - OK, so we'd have two good office apps. If they read each other's formats (and why won't they?) this is twice as good. As for KOffice being winner - not sure. Well, I almost certainly don't like their "welcome windows user, you won't see the difference" UI attitude, but I think I can theme this away. Let's see them when they deliver KOffice release.
Yes, I second that. But: I heard many times about how inadequate current UI is. I never saw example of an adequate design (even prototype). All I see is only more artifical constructs. We need something simple and general, like mouse device, only next generation - 4-year child can understand how it works (confirmed:), it is usable with any type of system, it is versatile. Maybe gesture interface? Maybe something other... Just who is the next wizard to do it? All we need is a good idea...
Well, you probably has as much information on communist state as your local newspaper provides. Which means - blatant lies. In fact, in USSR, for example, spying on others, while encouraged by state, has became very unpopular (like, if everybody knows you are doing this, you easily become a social outcast) from at least 60th. Many people still were doing this (refusal to cooperate might bring lots of trouble - or might not, depends on mood of who was proposing), but they had to hide it very well. Also, if you take amount of Americans who would report to authorities on neigbour's "strange" behaviour, and same amount of, say, Russians, doing the same. I'm pretty sure number of Russians would be close to zero, while number of Americans would be pretty high. The cause of this is that Americans trust The Man much more than Russians. But the result is that you might have much less privacy in "free" state than in "strict" one - because it would be your 60-years-old-retired-grocery-store-worker neigbour who would be spying on you, not the state.
Just gone there and tried to look for "PHP". Nothing. "Linux"? Nothing. Yeah right, nobody in the world is saying a word about Linux, what is Linux anyway? And they have astonishing 24 (twenty-four!) channels for all the technology. Which certainly beats 1 (one) channel they have for science. Seems like they have way to go.
Actualy I believe this is technicall possible even today. But I wonder if users would be able to formulate their questions good enough so current (pretty dumb) computers could understand what they mean? Also, I fear this interface model will require great software unification (so that Microsoft Office File Finder won't get in cat fight with Inn FInder 3.0 over the word "find"), which is very hard to get unless we either have one huge monopoly taking over desktop or make all vendors be really cooperavive.
Well, if I just took you post and linked word "webpage" to my company's webpage, and words "clearly marked links" to my friend's company webpage, would you be happy?
Yeah, yeah! I want it. Current interface is *way* too ugly. Also, using GTK probably will bring in all goodies like theming, antialiased fonts, etc. And if they port to bonobo too - we get all office framework compatible with GNOME. Dreams come true:)
I'm ready to give whatever IP is in my posts to everybody. I'm ready to accept that somebody will compile this IP and revenue from this. But I'm not ready that someone will modify my words to make profits from it. If they wanted to do it, they should do it in a way that it was clear to the user that link is not mine (e.g., taking those words out of the post - like slashdot does for linked words in articles). I do not want to be advertising carrier for Deja - at least, not without my consent. If they would add below the post "this posts talks on modems, do you like to read more? this post also talks on kings & cabbages, do you want to read more about that?" it would be completely OK. But they didn't do this.
No, they are linking not TMs (which I could bear with, though I don't need it too) but general terms, and link not to TM owners, but to advertisers. I do not want every "modem" word in my post to advertise some IBM product. I never heard any good (as well as bad) about IBM modem and they nnever paid me for advertising their product. So please Deja advertise these modem outside the text of my post.
Nice little service? To get to news only, not to the article you need, you have to skip past some 3-4 screens of advertisement. And they don't insert ads in their posts - they insert ads in my posts. Links to things that make me look like I endorse it - even if I never did.
And yes, I'm turning around. Did that long ago. I'd better look on something like Geocrawler.
Actually, this is an idea - everybody has one vote, except ones who is working for corporations - they have one vote for all the corporate body. I wonder how the laws were with this setup:)
You mix here distribution and modification rights. I want everybody to be able to redistribute my words, for free. I do not want everybody to be able to take my words, insert ads there and then publish it as if I said it - not without me giving permissions. That's like I'd now create a webpage that is titled "some slashdot comments by swerdloff, uid #16397" and put all kinds of crap there, as if you said it indeed. You probably would be pissed of at this. Especially if I'd link this page to highly-popular website, so thousands of people every day would see you saying words that you never did say in fact.
Yes, but they are using my content (which, by the way, bears my copyright just from the moment I've created it and I have all rights on it) to do it. They don't create content by themselves, and they don't ask me when they want to take it. And then they mess with it. Next time they are going to replace each fifth word of my messages with "Drink Coca-Cola" and claim there were this way, and anyway every sane user sees that Coca-Cola ad is in slightly different color and has a 1x1 point near it.
Well, Deja has started to walk the road of "more ads, less service" long ago, and got far enough there. So I'm using it only when I can't do it otherwise...
Don't your evening newspaper already does this? Every time I open those, I read: $ROCK_OR_MOVIE_STAR declared to be homosexual! So if I collect all those papers, I get list of all famous homosexuals (and non-famous aren't interesting - who cares for Joe R. Random anyway?)
1. Double opt-in requires much more resource (you should store every email with sign if it was "confirmed" or not, you should remove stale emails that never were confirmed, etc., etc.) This means additional investment, which not everybody likes.
2. Sending marketing materials is not always spam. Try to do a marketing without ever contacting anybody that didn't ask you to contact him. You will get zero sales - nobody will ask you because they have first to know you! Spamming is when you do this en-masse, repeatedly and disregard people's reuqest not to do it. If you just sent one person a mail "won't you be interested to work with me" you are not a spammer. If you do this to million people thousand times - you are.
3. The "don't use RBL" argument is false. First of all, if your ISP uses it, you have zero choice. Also, this is like answering Microsoft antitrust allegations with "nobody is forced to use windows". In fact lots of people are, for various reasons, and also significant number of people may be forced to use RBL by decision of their providers, system administrators, etc. (I even recall reading that government institutions use it - that means, entire department can be put under RBL by decision of single person). Thus, MAPS people should exercise much of care, which should increase as their popularity grows.
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Well, that's plain wrong. X does very much of thing. It translates you Xlib calls into hardware, which is most hard task in displaying information. After you know how to translate basic graphics calls to hardware (including passing it over network, authentification, etc.) writing all the windgets is near to trivial - just line up those Xlib calls in the right order and it runs.
Well, well. Who is needing to eat, Metallica? Man, they already ate more than you even can dream of for your whole life. Or some garage musicians group that I never heard of and that is pretending that Napster hurts their non-existing sales? Please, don't make arguments like thos musicians are starving because their songs are distributed in MP3. We have yet to see a single group that can prove with numbers at hand that their sales were hurt by Napster.
Oh well... Napster admins would just ban all that corporate networks (they are very well-defined, most of them have single-digit number of exit points, which are firewall exits).
Very simple - posting fake files means deception. If someone sells you $5 Hong-Kong watch and tell's it's $5000 Rollex, it'd be probably called fraud. If someone gives it to you as a gift, as says the same, you probably will despise that man, for he's a liar. Napster's interest is not to be represented as a liar's hangout or a free course for fraud beginners. So they have full right to ban people that fake their content.
The next step will be US government selling sugar on streets in packs labeled "best crack in NY", "ecstasy","pure 100% heroine", etc. Narcobusiness will die horrible death, addicts will instantly be cured.
Yet next step will be solution of bank robbery problem by stuffing every bank with lots of fake money.
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The fact that they have different formats is more proof of clashing bravado.
:)
From whose side? Just from GNOME's? Just because they are bad by definition?
The two projects, especially Helix
I see one here. Who's the second?
I'd like to see Gnome (the project I have more hope for) truly innovate.
Like what? Design new UI paradigm? Sorry, puny volonteer project is not where you expect it from. Neither KDE nor GNOME won't bring you truly innovative UI. There wasn't innovation in this field for decades, and GNOME or KDE folks aren't the Batman either. They just build working thing, not save the world. Maybe Xerox PARC labs will do
Anyway, the desktop market, both for home and business use is where true mindshare comes from.
:)
Not true. All technology is born in labs, not in kitchens. If you conquer the labs (and Linux is moving pretty fast in this direction), all new features (including new desktop ideas) will be yours eventually. All concepts eventually die, and even OLE will. And why won't the Linux desktop be next?
As for Linux users attitude - that's not Linux fault. Choose better friends for yourself
Same goes for your 10-years-old canned Linux myths ("no docs", "hard to install", "too many choices", etc., etc.) Believe me, every word you say here was said and proven false years ago. Please don't start this again.
There is a real lot of demand for this. The only really working one (at least among known ones) is Deja, and its Usenet search capability is rapidly becoming third-grade-of-importance add-on to their commercial setups. Compare this to how many Internet searches we have (and how many we had before Google - and it's still the top one I use). We really need the Usenet Google - there's a lot of useful information among that noise, and we need a tool to extract it.
Also, fast indexing would be a real bonus - so that if you look for a comment on recently-released software, for example - you won't get two monthes old data. But at least decent search and archival is necessary. Deja desperately needs strong competitor.
Well, certainly they don't do it "to compete with kde's koffice". That would be pretty silly thing to do. They do it to get things done and have a good office app. If K gets another one - OK, so we'd have two good office apps. If they read each other's formats (and why won't they?) this is twice as good.
As for KOffice being winner - not sure. Well, I almost certainly don't like their "welcome windows user, you won't see the difference" UI attitude, but I think I can theme this away. Let's see them when they deliver KOffice release.
Yes, I second that. But: I heard many times about how inadequate current UI is. I never saw example of an adequate design (even prototype). All I see is only more artifical constructs. We need something simple and general, like mouse device, only next generation - 4-year child can understand how it works (confirmed :), it is usable with any type of system, it is versatile. Maybe gesture interface? Maybe something other... Just who is the next wizard to do it? All we need is a good idea...
Well, you probably has as much information on communist state as your local newspaper provides. Which means - blatant lies.
In fact, in USSR, for example, spying on others, while encouraged by state, has became very unpopular (like, if everybody knows you are doing this, you easily become a social outcast) from at least 60th. Many people still were doing this (refusal to cooperate might bring lots of trouble - or might not, depends on mood of who was proposing), but they had to hide it very well.
Also, if you take amount of Americans who would report to authorities on neigbour's "strange" behaviour, and same amount of, say, Russians, doing the same. I'm pretty sure number of Russians would be close to zero, while number of Americans would be pretty high. The cause of this is that Americans trust The Man much more than Russians. But the result is that you might have much less privacy in "free" state than in "strict" one - because it would be your 60-years-old-retired-grocery-store-worker neigbour who would be spying on you, not the state.
Just gone there and tried to look for "PHP". Nothing. "Linux"? Nothing. Yeah right, nobody in the world is saying a word about Linux, what is Linux anyway? And they have astonishing 24 (twenty-four!) channels for all the technology. Which certainly beats 1 (one) channel they have for science. Seems like they have way to go.
If you are using GTK's canvas and pass it to X as a picture, there's no problem with X. Like GIMP does it.
Actualy I believe this is technicall possible even today. But I wonder if users would be able to formulate their questions good enough so current (pretty dumb) computers could understand what they mean?
Also, I fear this interface model will require great software unification (so that Microsoft Office File Finder won't get in cat fight with Inn FInder 3.0 over the word "find"), which is very hard to get unless we either have one huge monopoly taking over desktop or make all vendors be really cooperavive.
Well, if I just took you post and linked word "webpage" to my company's webpage, and words "clearly marked links" to my friend's company webpage, would you be happy?
Yeah, yeah! I want it. Current interface is *way* too ugly. Also, using GTK probably will bring in all goodies like theming, antialiased fonts, etc. And if they port to bonobo too - we get all office framework compatible with GNOME. Dreams come true :)
I'm ready to give whatever IP is in my posts to everybody. I'm ready to accept that somebody will compile this IP and revenue from this. But I'm not ready that someone will modify my words to make profits from it. If they wanted to do it, they should do it in a way that it was clear to the user that link is not mine (e.g., taking those words out of the post - like slashdot does for linked words in articles). I do not want to be advertising carrier for Deja - at least, not without my consent. If they would add below the post "this posts talks on modems, do you like to read more? this post also talks on kings & cabbages, do you want to read more about that?" it would be completely OK. But they didn't do this.
No, they are linking not TMs (which I could bear with, though I don't need it too) but general terms, and link not to TM owners, but to advertisers. I do not want every "modem" word in my post to advertise some IBM product. I never heard any good (as well as bad) about IBM modem and they nnever paid me for advertising their product. So please Deja advertise these modem outside the text of my post.
Nice little service? To get to news only, not to the article you need, you have to skip past some 3-4 screens of advertisement. And they don't insert ads in their posts - they insert ads in my posts. Links to things that make me look like I endorse it - even if I never did.
And yes, I'm turning around. Did that long ago. I'd better look on something like Geocrawler.
Actually, this is an idea - everybody has one vote, except ones who is working for corporations - they have one vote for all the corporate body. I wonder how the laws were with this setup :)
You mix here distribution and modification rights. I want everybody to be able to redistribute my words, for free. I do not want everybody to be able to take my words, insert ads there and then publish it as if I said it - not without me giving permissions. That's like I'd now create a webpage that is titled "some slashdot comments by swerdloff, uid #16397" and put all kinds of crap there, as if you said it indeed. You probably would be pissed of at this. Especially if I'd link this page to highly-popular website, so thousands of people every day would see you saying words that you never did say in fact.
Yes, but they are using my content (which, by the way, bears my copyright just from the moment I've created it and I have all rights on it) to do it. They don't create content by themselves, and they don't ask me when they want to take it. And then they mess with it. Next time they are going to replace each fifth word of my messages with "Drink Coca-Cola" and claim there were this way, and anyway every sane user sees that Coca-Cola ad is in slightly different color and has a 1x1 point near it.
Well, Deja has started to walk the road of "more ads, less service" long ago, and got far enough there. So I'm using it only when I can't do it otherwise...
Don't your evening newspaper already does this? Every time I open those, I read: $ROCK_OR_MOVIE_STAR declared to be homosexual! So if I collect all those papers, I get list of all famous homosexuals (and non-famous aren't interesting - who cares for Joe R. Random anyway?)
This is true but also is true:
1. Double opt-in requires much more resource (you should store every email with sign if it was "confirmed" or not, you should remove stale emails that never were confirmed, etc., etc.) This means additional investment, which not everybody likes.
2. Sending marketing materials is not always spam. Try to do a marketing without ever contacting anybody that didn't ask you to contact him. You will get zero sales - nobody will ask you because they have first to know you! Spamming is when you do this en-masse, repeatedly and disregard people's reuqest not to do it. If you just sent one person a mail "won't you be interested to work with me" you are not a spammer. If you do this to million people thousand times - you are.
3. The "don't use RBL" argument is false. First of all, if your ISP uses it, you have zero choice. Also, this is like answering Microsoft antitrust allegations with "nobody is forced to use windows". In fact lots of people are, for various reasons, and also significant number of people may be forced to use RBL by decision of their providers, system administrators, etc. (I even recall reading that government institutions use it - that means, entire department can be put under RBL by decision of single person). Thus, MAPS people should exercise much of care, which should increase as their popularity grows.
Well, that's plain wrong. X does very much of thing. It translates you Xlib calls into hardware, which is most hard task in displaying information. After you know how to translate basic graphics calls to hardware (including passing it over network, authentification, etc.) writing all the windgets is near to trivial - just line up those Xlib calls in the right order and it runs.
The thing is called X Window System or X. There's no X-windows.
Well, well. Who is needing to eat, Metallica? Man, they already ate more than you even can dream of for your whole life. Or some garage musicians group that I never heard of and that is pretending that Napster hurts their non-existing sales? Please, don't make arguments like thos musicians are starving because their songs are distributed in MP3. We have yet to see a single group that can prove with numbers at hand that their sales were hurt by Napster.
Oh well... Napster admins would just ban all that corporate networks (they are very well-defined, most of them have single-digit number of exit points, which are firewall exits).
Very simple - posting fake files means deception. If someone sells you $5 Hong-Kong watch and tell's it's $5000 Rollex, it'd be probably called fraud. If someone gives it to you as a gift, as says the same, you probably will despise that man, for he's a liar. Napster's interest is not to be represented as a liar's hangout or a free course for fraud beginners. So they have full right to ban people that fake their content.
The next step will be US government selling sugar on streets in packs labeled "best crack in NY", "ecstasy","pure 100% heroine", etc. Narcobusiness will die horrible death, addicts will instantly be cured.
Yet next step will be solution of bank robbery problem by stuffing every bank with lots of fake money.