Well, English here is not ideal too. For example, I can remember about 10 ways of saying "young boy" in Russian, differing in "feeling" towards that boy, but I can't do it in English. That's because Russian is flexive language, so I can add suffixes to nouns to form "flavor words". Most of these suffixes don't translate well to non-flexive languages, you have to explain them. English words have many meanings, but they are "rigid" - you cannot really modify them.
That would also make instant security enhancement - 'root' has high social status and can use commands, while ordinary user has low social status and can only ask to do something, and better not forget to bow and appologize. Would look something like Windows user trying to delete a file:)
BTW, about outperforming Windows: Recently our Java guy told me that Linux JVM is faster than Windows JVM in graphical apps - which surprised me, because I remembered Linux Java being slow as hell. Seems that many things are improving, that's good. Maybe gaming too will be there soon.
If you look at Slashdot history of Dell, you'll see Dell was interested at Linux at least for 2 years as of now. So, that's not right to say that Dell is not exactly Linux booster. Maybe he is:)
From your post I see that KDE doesn't lack support of trolls too.
And given you gave no single fact in your post, I can change KDE to GNOME and GNOME to KDE in it, and get perfect (trollish) GNOME advocacy. It will have the same (zero) value. Niether KDE nor GNOME needs trolling advocates that do nothing but bash competing product and cry their beloved brandname on every occasion.
And seems that you did take that joke seriously. Maybe you should download some life.:)
I tried it. It started with killing my mailbox (yeah, it *must* move mails from my mailbox to some private place, just to be completely like outlook). It lacks lots of functionality. It doesn't do quarter of what pine can do (no custom sort, no group ops, no external edit, no bounce, no filter) - oh my, that's Outlook in it's worst!
No thanks. I'm back to pine.
I see this as a good thing. People out there grew to used to free things, they see it as that's their right to get something for free and then even complain about it. That's not so. Everybody giving you something for free is doing you a huge service, and everybody who takes money for their goods do the right thing. That means, if somebody goes to ask you $2 (or $20 or $200) for doing you a service of Web-based news access, he's right and OK. If he does this for free, he's just crazy altruist who loves you more than himself, a good samaritan.
Other thing is that if one asks $200, he's probably crazy and would go bankrupt very soon, since nobody in his mind is going to pay $200 for such thing. But $2 - why not? This brings another point - micropayments is a *must*. Now. And I better not have to put in my credit card number in every time. I want this to go easy as "do you want to pay $2 to this man?" - "yes I do". That's it.
Well, I said "those Germans", because this is the only thing I know on them. I surely didn't mean all Germans are so.
As for their name SAMBA - I think there's a time to realize that software is long ceased to be single name domain. There are so many software these days that there should be domains in it just as there are in other areas. Also, I don't believe people will be really confused between Unix SMB server and some inter-banking protocol.
There is Apache for win32 (though I'm not sure hotmail runs it - it's not so mature as on Unix). Most probably Netcraft launches two probes - for OS and for Webserver, and in this case theyt landed on different servers due to load balancing.
Well, I personally don't care, since I'd better use CP/M on Z80 than Mac anyway. I regard all Mac system to be designed with low primates in mind, not humans. I just wonder how Mac users tolerate when Apple claims that they are unable to figure a concept that causes no problem with any 4-year-old I saw. I guess that is just mental burp of some high Apple manager that is now too invested in this idea to back up, so no matter how bad it is for the users, "usability studies" always will show he's right. After all, most of mentally damaged people don't have a good employment and aren't too rich, so it's easy to promise them some cash for participation in a little usability test...
Yes, this will be ultimate "Point and Grunt" technology. Apple users will have also "short grunt" and "long grund" along with "double grunt", and windows users also will have "low voice grunt" and "high voice grunt". The only downside of this technology is that it is shown by research that it causes extensive hair growth over all the body and uncontrollable desire to climb the trees and eat bananas. Scientists are working to control that effect. "Grr-grr!", says the lead researcher of Apple Point-n-Grunt Research Lab.
Galeon deficiencies list: 1. Where is my toolbar bookmarks and user toolbar? 2. Bookmark list is not scrollable (i.e. more than 20 - you are out) 3. Bookmark editor almost unusable - text field to narrow, no scroll. 4. Where's my "view source" window? 5. No context-menus, no "open in new window", no "save this link" or "bookmark this link". 6. Bad international support - failed to view http://simplex.ru/news/koi/ with russian charset. 7. Javascript doesn't work - example http://webreference.com/dhtml/hiermenus/, works with Netscape.
A month behind your own schedule? And M20 (where it probably will be usable) is 3 monthes ahead. That means - good if we see something usable this year.
As for moaning suckers - why you just started to care for them exactly when they propose something harmful for the project? Why won't you just listen to moaning suckers that say "give us our browser *now*"? Competing with Microsoft is great idea, but I need my browser much more than the "we would be almost as good as Microsoft if we had our browser, but since we can do even better, no browser for you"? Why the heck I care for Microsoft, I care for browser for my Linux!
I just keep wondering what really are those people that cannot understand 2-button mouse. I saw 4-year-old child figuring how to use 3-button mouse in 1 minute. Just how those people that can't manage to dress, to tie shoelaces, to manage to get the pants off and back on when they go to the restroom? Don't they need help in figuring out which of the openings in the head to use to insert food?
Apple really must hate its users when it says the can't figure out 2-button mouse. I would never buy from the company that publicly says such things about me.
If this project succeeds, they'd have complete cloen of Windows. Now the question comes: why would I use a system that differs from Windows in only one thing - no Microsoft support? At least with the real Windows I can yell at Microsoft tech support when it doesn't work, with their product I'll have the same system with all it's design deficiences and no multi-milliard-dollar corp working around the clock to keep it alive? Well, I better pay for a real Windows, thanks.
If you mean Bruce, I guess he did this not for self-promotion (I guess he has enough already), but because he though so. So now he's convinced he was wrong. Great he recognised his mistake and corrected it. To err is human, everybody can do stupid things. I did them many times. But it is much harder to come before the crowd and say: "Well, guys, sorry, I was stupid, now I see it, thanks for pointing out". Believe me, not everybody has common sense and brains to do this.
It's only slow if you don't bother to learn what code a C++ compiler generates, using lots of mechanisms without realizing it.
Yes. But this stems from C++ being descendant of C, which is basically assembler on steroids. To effectively program in C, you should know your processor, your OS and your operative environment to the tiniest guts. Which means, you spend too much time on this, so or you lose your programming effectiveness, or you tell "heck with that" and make program uneffective, but meet the deadline and not get fired.
So, the thing you need is compiler that know to optimize (and hint about) your constructions. After all, compiler si written once, why not invest in it maximal system knowledge? And you, ideally, should just tell it "I want to do so&so". Obviously, that's not C++ or C, and neither Java. Some scripting languages are closer to this, but hardly enough.
Language should make easy to program efficiently and hard to program inefficiently. Current languages fail to do this, they are mostly just high-level assemblers. That's pretty bad - in 30 years people could invent something better.
As far as I can see, all new technology these days seems to be coming from consumer technology. The whole reason the PC market exists is because of the PC's utility as a business machine.
Yes. That's PC markets. But there are other markets. Apple ignored them - Apple is one-foot-in-the-grave. And your PC has to be able to connect to those markets - to banking software market, to ASP market, to webserving market, to e-commerce market. More PC becomes useful, more connections from your PC to these markets are needed, even if you don't know that because Microsoft hides it from you (which might be good).
As for labs, I don't know of any major labratories which use Linux.
You don't. I do. Just walk into research/development center of any major company and I bet you'll see Linux machine there.
As for your arguments - as I said, all you say was answered years ago (except Mandrake, where is was answered monthes ago because years ago there was no Mandrake:) I won't go and restate all the arguments, it's plain boring. Pick any usenet/slashdot thread on the topic from a year ago, and you get all your arguments answered.
Can't fill a niche in the Linux software line? Then go help at www.beunited.org, where every developer counts.
Oh, now I see. Should guess from your username. Just tell me - why Linux is used by much more people than Be? No, really, why? I know why much more people use Windows than Linux. Now tell me why more people use Linux than Be.
I'm talking about the attitudes I see here and on newsgroups and mailing lists. It seems to be the prevalent attitude towards "newbies" (a condescending term at best).
So don't talk to those freaks. Go and buy yourself Linux training course, and laugh on them lamers. Ah, you wanted them to help you for free and yet be nice to you? Why *should* they? If they are nice people, they could - but why they have to?
Well, first concern is not valid. I don't believe King would just drop the novel after writing two thirds of it. He's a writer, after all. And if he does this for so long, he must love it. So he will finish it anyway. The publishing method he'll choose is another story, but I have no doubt the novel will be finished.
The second one - I don't care if this novel is public domain. I am not interested in modifying it, and not interested in seeing modified versions. Also, I do not really want to buy it from some else, if I can buy it from the Author himself.
The third one is yes, violation, but in fact King doesn't have third part yet, probably, so no hash. Anyway, it's just a proof of concept test.
The fourth one seems to be most important. Percentage of downloads isn't a good test. That's like counting how many people touched your book in bookstores, instead of counting how many people have read.
If the law becomes unenforceable, it should cease being the law. Prohibiting people of doing what they regard as they basical right to do (en masse) is plain wrong - state should serve the people, not other way.
No, they must be stopped by the consumer. You don't like the company - boycott it and encourage your friends to do the same. What *has* to be stopped is using legislation to force you in using products that you don't like (e.g., only "licensed" DVD players).
I sincerely hope this what would happen in next 2-3 years - when GNOME/KDE developers will realise the have implemented every useful UI feature competing systems have and they still want to move forward. The the real fun will begin (hopefully). Unless, of course, they'd be caught in "let's do everything and then a couple of kitchen sinks just for start" trap, like Mozilla seems to be.
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Well, English here is not ideal too. For example, I can remember about 10 ways of saying "young boy" in Russian, differing in "feeling" towards that boy, but I can't do it in English. That's because Russian is flexive language, so I can add suffixes to nouns to form "flavor words". Most of these suffixes don't translate well to non-flexive languages, you have to explain them. English words have many meanings, but they are "rigid" - you cannot really modify them.
That would also make instant security enhancement - 'root' has high social status and can use commands, while ordinary user has low social status and can only ask to do something, and better not forget to bow and appologize. Would look something like Windows user trying to delete a file :)
BTW, about outperforming Windows: Recently our Java guy told me that Linux JVM is faster than Windows JVM in graphical apps - which surprised me, because I remembered Linux Java being slow as hell. Seems that many things are improving, that's good. Maybe gaming too will be there soon.
If you look at Slashdot history of Dell, you'll see Dell was interested at Linux at least for 2 years as of now. So, that's not right to say that Dell is not exactly Linux booster. Maybe he is :)
All GNOME seems to have is the support of trolls!
:)
From your post I see that KDE doesn't lack support of trolls too.
And given you gave no single fact in your post, I can change KDE to GNOME and GNOME to KDE in it, and get perfect (trollish) GNOME advocacy. It will have the same (zero) value. Niether KDE nor GNOME needs trolling advocates that do nothing but bash competing product and cry their beloved brandname on every occasion.
And seems that you did take that joke seriously. Maybe you should download some life.
I tried it. It started with killing my mailbox (yeah, it *must* move mails from my mailbox to some private place, just to be completely like outlook). It lacks lots of functionality. It doesn't do quarter of what pine can do (no custom sort, no group ops, no external edit, no bounce, no filter) - oh my, that's Outlook in it's worst!
No thanks. I'm back to pine.
I see this as a good thing. People out there grew to used to free things, they see it as that's their right to get something for free and then even complain about it. That's not so. Everybody giving you something for free is doing you a huge service, and everybody who takes money for their goods do the right thing. That means, if somebody goes to ask you $2 (or $20 or $200) for doing you a service of Web-based news access, he's right and OK. If he does this for free, he's just crazy altruist who loves you more than himself, a good samaritan.
Other thing is that if one asks $200, he's probably crazy and would go bankrupt very soon, since nobody in his mind is going to pay $200 for such thing. But $2 - why not? This brings another point - micropayments is a *must*. Now. And I better not have to put in my credit card number in every time. I want this to go easy as "do you want to pay $2 to this man?" - "yes I do". That's it.
Well, I said "those Germans", because this is the only thing I know on them. I surely didn't mean all Germans are so.
As for their name SAMBA - I think there's a time to realize that software is long ceased to be single name domain. There are so many software these days that there should be domains in it just as there are in other areas. Also, I don't believe people will be really confused between Unix SMB server and some inter-banking protocol.
Remember what happened to guys that tried to trademark Linux? Well, seems that those German guys didn't learn a thing.
There is Apache for win32 (though I'm not sure hotmail runs it - it's not so mature as on Unix). Most probably Netcraft launches two probes - for OS and for Webserver, and in this case theyt landed on different servers due to load balancing.
Well, I personally don't care, since I'd better use CP/M on Z80 than Mac anyway. I regard all Mac system to be designed with low primates in mind, not humans. I just wonder how Mac users tolerate when Apple claims that they are unable to figure a concept that causes no problem with any 4-year-old I saw. I guess that is just mental burp of some high Apple manager that is now too invested in this idea to back up, so no matter how bad it is for the users, "usability studies" always will show he's right. After all, most of mentally damaged people don't have a good employment and aren't too rich, so it's easy to promise them some cash for participation in a little usability test...
Yes, this will be ultimate "Point and Grunt" technology. Apple users will have also "short grunt" and "long grund" along with "double grunt", and windows users also will have "low voice grunt" and "high voice grunt". The only downside of this technology is that it is shown by research that it causes extensive hair growth over all the body and uncontrollable desire to climb the trees and eat bananas. Scientists are working to control that effect. "Grr-grr!", says the lead researcher of Apple Point-n-Grunt Research Lab.
Galeon deficiencies list:
1. Where is my toolbar bookmarks and user toolbar?
2. Bookmark list is not scrollable (i.e. more than 20 - you are out)
3. Bookmark editor almost unusable - text field to narrow, no scroll.
4. Where's my "view source" window?
5. No context-menus, no "open in new window", no "save this link" or "bookmark this link".
6. Bad international support - failed to view http://simplex.ru/news/koi/ with russian charset.
7. Javascript doesn't work - example http://webreference.com/dhtml/hiermenus/, works with Netscape.
I can write another 5-6 points...
For me, Galeon is mostly half-working. Javascript not working on some pages, and some pages with non-trivial markup get messed-up.
We're approaching Milestone 17.
A month behind your own schedule? And M20 (where it probably will be usable) is 3 monthes ahead. That means - good if we see something usable this year.
As for moaning suckers - why you just started to care for them exactly when they propose something harmful for the project? Why won't you just listen to moaning suckers that say "give us our browser *now*"? Competing with Microsoft is great idea, but I need my browser much more than the "we would be almost as good as Microsoft if we had our browser, but since we can do even better, no browser for you"? Why the heck I care for Microsoft, I care for browser for my Linux!
I just keep wondering what really are those people that cannot understand 2-button mouse. I saw 4-year-old child figuring how to use 3-button mouse in 1 minute. Just how those people that can't manage to dress, to tie shoelaces, to manage to get the pants off and back on when they go to the restroom? Don't they need help in figuring out which of the openings in the head to use to insert food?
Apple really must hate its users when it says the can't figure out 2-button mouse. I would never buy from the company that publicly says such things about me.
If this project succeeds, they'd have complete cloen of Windows. Now the question comes: why would I use a system that differs from Windows in only one thing - no Microsoft support? At least with the real Windows I can yell at Microsoft tech support when it doesn't work, with their product I'll have the same system with all it's design deficiences and no multi-milliard-dollar corp working around the clock to keep it alive? Well, I better pay for a real Windows, thanks.
If you mean Bruce, I guess he did this not for self-promotion (I guess he has enough already), but because he though so. So now he's convinced he was wrong. Great he recognised his mistake and corrected it. To err is human, everybody can do stupid things. I did them many times. But it is much harder to come before the crowd and say: "Well, guys, sorry, I was stupid, now I see it, thanks for pointing out". Believe me, not everybody has common sense and brains to do this.
It's only slow if you don't bother to learn what code a C++ compiler generates, using lots of mechanisms without realizing it.
Yes. But this stems from C++ being descendant of C, which is basically assembler on steroids. To effectively program in C, you should know your processor, your OS and your operative environment to the tiniest guts. Which means, you spend too much time on this, so or you lose your programming effectiveness, or you tell "heck with that" and make program uneffective, but meet the deadline and not get fired.
So, the thing you need is compiler that know to optimize (and hint about) your constructions. After all, compiler si written once, why not invest in it maximal system knowledge? And you, ideally, should just tell it "I want to do so&so". Obviously, that's not C++ or C, and neither Java. Some scripting languages are closer to this, but hardly enough.
Language should make easy to program efficiently and hard to program inefficiently. Current languages fail to do this, they are mostly just high-level assemblers. That's pretty bad - in 30 years people could invent something better.
As far as I can see, all new technology these days seems to be coming from consumer technology. The whole reason the PC market exists is because of the PC's utility as a business machine.
:) I won't go and restate all the arguments, it's plain boring. Pick any usenet/slashdot thread on the topic from a year ago, and you get all your arguments answered.
Yes. That's PC markets. But there are other markets. Apple ignored them - Apple is one-foot-in-the-grave. And your PC has to be able to connect to those markets - to banking software market, to ASP market, to webserving market, to e-commerce market. More PC becomes useful, more connections from your PC to these markets are needed, even if you don't know that because Microsoft hides it from you (which might be good).
As for labs, I don't know of any major labratories which use Linux.
You don't. I do. Just walk into research/development center of any major company and I bet you'll see Linux machine there.
As for your arguments - as I said, all you say was answered years ago (except Mandrake, where is was answered monthes ago because years ago there was no Mandrake
Can't fill a niche in the Linux software line? Then go help at www.beunited.org, where every developer counts.
Oh, now I see. Should guess from your username. Just tell me - why Linux is used by much more people than Be? No, really, why? I know why much more people use Windows than Linux. Now tell me why more people use Linux than Be.
I'm talking about the attitudes I see here and on newsgroups and mailing lists. It seems to be the prevalent attitude towards "newbies" (a condescending term at best).
So don't talk to those freaks. Go and buy yourself Linux training course, and laugh on them lamers. Ah, you wanted them to help you for free and yet be nice to you? Why *should* they? If they are nice people, they could - but why they have to?
Well, first concern is not valid. I don't believe King would just drop the novel after writing two thirds of it. He's a writer, after all. And if he does this for so long, he must love it. So he will finish it anyway. The publishing method he'll choose is another story, but I have no doubt the novel will be finished.
The second one - I don't care if this novel is public domain. I am not interested in modifying it, and not interested in seeing modified versions. Also, I do not really want to buy it from some else, if I can buy it from the Author himself.
The third one is yes, violation, but in fact King doesn't have third part yet, probably, so no hash. Anyway, it's just a proof of concept test.
The fourth one seems to be most important. Percentage of downloads isn't a good test. That's like counting how many people touched your book in bookstores, instead of counting how many people have read.
If the law becomes unenforceable, it should cease being the law. Prohibiting people of doing what they regard as they basical right to do (en masse) is plain wrong - state should serve the people, not other way.
No, they must be stopped by the consumer. You don't like the company - boycott it and encourage your friends to do the same. What *has* to be stopped is using legislation to force you in using products that you don't like (e.g., only "licensed" DVD players).
I sincerely hope this what would happen in next 2-3 years - when GNOME/KDE developers will realise the have implemented every useful UI feature competing systems have and they still want to move forward. The the real fun will begin (hopefully).
Unless, of course, they'd be caught in "let's do everything and then a couple of kitchen sinks just for start" trap, like Mozilla seems to be.