I agree, Microsoft really F'd up on that one, because not only is there almost no difference between the different versions (at the core of the OS) there was nearly a $300 difference in the prices (originally)... insult to injury...
Most people by now understand things like "Basic" and "Professional", because most software comes with those options, I dont see why all Vista's arent "Ultimates" and the price you pay is relivant to license distribution, $150 for a single license, $250 for 10, another $50 for each 10 after that or something...(they've began to realize this with Visual Studio)
Then just have the user (or the Administrator) decide what needs to be installed.
Im not sure what your point is... as I said: "Operating System's influence on this is rather limited" I didnt say that it was completely irrelivant what OS the GUI was running on... how the GUI looks and performs is based on how the Base window system is coded (ie: X11) however you can add layers to this (ie: GTK+, or DirectX) which allow even more possibilities.
Your TCP/IP example proves this....
HTTP, XMPP, SSH are all based on TCP, TCP is based on IP... so no matter how "unreliable" IP may be, its reliability can be improved depening on the layers added themselves, or how many layers are added, at the expense of certain things like Performance. such as StarDock WindowBlinds can achieve many many things that Windows Interface unto itself cannot, however at the expense of performance.
I suspect that it could be something similar to how government leaders will often impliment, or begin the process of implimenting a bunch of legislature just before their term in office is over...
Except the next leader, might be Microsoft... "Haha! deal with this Unlimited problem Microsoft"... sort of some self-sacrificing thing, cut off your nose to spite your face...
Although it could be to quickly gather a bunch of interest, raise their stock, maybe get some backing and financial help so that they dont give into Microsoft? or possibly to get more attention so that they can go back to Microsoft and be like... "No, see we now have 130 Million users, and 30,000 paying clients, we demand 66.4 Billion, instead of 44.6 Billion"
Interestingly enough, that "bonus" is also drawback... for someone who knows nothing about Linux and is just looking for a decent OS (or an alternative to their current OS) would get flustered looking at the 500 different distributions...
"Based On Debian"
WTF is Debian? why wasnt Debian good enough to start with? whats the difference between debian and this distro? whats the difference between Debian and Slaskware or RedHat?
Oh sure, you can argue that these things are all described on some website or wiki... but after you have gone around the loop 30 times, you still arent really sure...
Thats why when more "frinedly" distributions come along (RedHat, Mandrake/Mandriva, SuSE, Ubuntu) the adoption rates pick up a bit more, theres a distribution that "makes sense"...
The Operating System is never really "seen" unless you are looking at the source code.
Is mainly up to your choice of GUI (KDE, Gnome, XFCE, etc) and what they, or the applications you use look like and function the actual Operating System's influence on this is rather limited, thats why you can effectively make Windows "look" like Linux, or Mac, or vice-versa...
Right... and then I suppose Google can ship them back over here on boats right?... and make them pick results out of their field of cached web pages right?...
Its the company who developes/maintains the search engine who's job is to make a profit, a search engine simply lists links to all relavant web pages it finds to the search query.
Although that developer does intrinsicly have the right to edit the method that the search engine uses to find results, a search engine is incapable of making a profit.:P although possibly a prophet...
Im not quite as pissed as this guy, but some of you dont realize that this isnt just a Chinese problem, or "something thats happening in another country, so what whers the TV remote?"... Google.com and Google.ca also limit the search results now thanx to DMCA among other things, which I dunno about you, but that angers me a lot, because it doesnt just warn you about "Illegal Content" it just removes all reference to the site that contaisn the content, and says "We removed stuff" never saying what they removed.
And who knows what else they remove that they dont notify you about.
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Facebook works in XP because XP uses IPv4 (IPv6 is possible, but not at the check of a checkbox or anything)
This may be the same for your ambiguous "Linux" depending on what Distro/Kernel/KDE/Gnome/Browser you are using.
OSX has IPv6 support, but it has only been enabled by-default since 10.3 (Panther) and also depends on what Browser you are using.
Vista, has IPv6 support, enabled by default, IE7 has IPv6 enabled by default, its actually the only (mainstream) OS to-date thats completely IPv6 "By Default"...
Although I dont recall having any problem accessing Facebook with Vista (using Avant though - based on IE), its possible they changed their configuration since then (about 2 months ago)
If I had to venture a guess, its that maybe unlike OSX or possibly Linux, that when a server identifies itself as using IPv6, that Vista doesnt try and switch back to IPv4 if IPv6 fails, instead it demands IPv6...(or something)
Although in this case with this guy, I would be equally as likely to bet that it had nothing to due with IPv4/6 and probably just his security settings given that Facebook uses an encrypted connection (for Login, non-encrypted once logged in though)
Even if they blocked recording through your audiocard, there is always other means that I am almost positive will exists in some form, webcams, cell phones, im sure there would be far more voice activated things by then aswell, that has to envolve a microphone...
Are these practical for the average user?... nope, you wont see very many people playing around with soldering guns... but they wont have to, someone will, and someone will make it available through some legacy type product/format...
Thats not really the point though, who in their right mind would allow it to get that far?
I agree, however, I'd agree even more if you remove the first 3 words.
The only time I can think of where Facebook users (which includes me) is if the people/company behind Facebook decide to jump ship at some point, then I would expect all the user data on their servers to be properly 'destroyed'.
But perhaps thats what you meant by insinuating that at some time they may deserve it.
"Why would you be crossing the border with a schematic for an explosive trigger on your laptop?"
Aww shit, well you got me there, I was originally going to say something like "non-terrorist related devices" and felt compelled to slash it with some explosives (as in "non-explosive")and make a mess of it...
but hey, even if I did, thats not a crime (yet) either... unless I also have a drawing of me using the explosive device to blow up a schoolyard or a Brinks Truck.
As for the rest of your comment... my response is simply... "why should I have to?" if im not a criminal, why should I act like one?
I think he meant telling them to use a web browser other than IE, not that using another browser is less secure than using IE.
Or you could look really far into it, and maybe the Admin had some security setup that relied on IE, and by using another web browser would make that security ineffective.
"Open" and "Trust" or more specifically "Security" are sort of oxymorons, especially when it comes to "Open Source", Open Specifications, fine, thats generally just "it should accomplish this, but by what means is up to you"
If its Open Source, that pretty much means that, you yourself can either look at the code that handles security itself (encryption, where and how it stores keys/passwords) or you probably know someone who can, without very much, if any retribution if said security is broken, who's accountable? Those 30 people over there---> or these 30 people over here? omg what about them?
The security on proprietary code isnt exactly better, however you can almost always say "it was Bob, he handles those 80 lines of code"
I'll probably get -1 Flamebate, but it just sort of seems like common sense to me...
"There are things about each I don't like, such as Iceland forcing everyone to submit DNA samples to a database."
What sort of conspiracy theory is that?... Ive been Googling for awhile now and I still cannot find any documents saying that its a manditory procedure, only that various studies to try and trace Icelandic history... but... "forcing?"
Regardless of that, how many people voted for Bush (the first, and/or the second time) and how many of them regret that now?
I presume that you are old enough to remember *before* Bush right?... and how quickly things have changed? in one term, nevermind two?
Been following the legislation he's pushed through? its far more simple, and thus far quicker for the next Presidents to enact even more (heinous) legislation.
Yeah?... what about that funny website you visited that had joke image of someone killing Bush, sure its in your Temporary files, *maybe* you didnt even see it, *maybe* it wasnt even you who went to the site... *maybe* we'll just hold you in this cell until we figure that out...
You may not, but I know many that do (including myself) that have a few blueprints/schematics for non-terrorist/explosive devices, could that not be seen as possible terrorist activity or envolvement? You expect the border guard to know its a schematic for stabilizing the signal to noise ration in your WiFi?... wait... is that even legal?...
Although I'd like to be naive enough to say "oh, thats good, now there isnt anything they can do aslong as I Rot13 my middle name"
It may work a couple times at first, some guard thats new at it, kinda nervous about looking like an idiot "fine fine, just go"...
But, eventually they'l have some weekend classes, telling them how to bypass user/Admin passwords (which is pretty easy on Windows, Mac and Linux when you have direct input, nevermind snagging the HD and scanning it with another PC)... Windows doesnt demand that you specify a Root/Admin password, most users dont even know that the account exists, and a lot of new Linux distro's dont either (not sure about Mac)... how many of you use a BIOS/EFI password? not sure about EFI, but BIOS passwords can be reset with a simple jumper which is almost always labeled directly on the motherboard [J16 - Reset BIOS Password]
And taking it a step further to any corporate/public encryption systems/techniques/algorithms would have to be documented and either distributed to the government at design, or demanded by at a per-incident basis, which is probably the only legitimate reason for giving a Corporation the same rights as a human (Google or Slashdot that topic)...
Possibly the best option if you are really paranoid, is uploading your "risky" material to a server, and download it at your destination... but... me personally?... I'd rather kick the guard in the balls and make a run for it...lol
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I agree, Microsoft really F'd up on that one, because not only is there almost no difference between the different versions (at the core of the OS) there was nearly a $300 difference in the prices (originally)... insult to injury...
Most people by now understand things like "Basic" and "Professional", because most software comes with those options, I dont see why all Vista's arent "Ultimates" and the price you pay is relivant to license distribution, $150 for a single license, $250 for 10, another $50 for each 10 after that or something...(they've began to realize this with Visual Studio)
Then just have the user (or the Administrator) decide what needs to be installed.
Even if you sell a Copyright, the original creator, still has Moral Rights...
"Moral Rights" consist of "I Mr. Whoever Made This" aswell as the ability to object to the use of the "Object" the caopyright protects.
Therefore, its credit where credit is due... it just doesnt apply to "credit" as in "the intention to pay" money.
Well, im not the one who used TCP Vs IP as an example to disagree with OS Vs GUI...
As far as I understand... it goes something like this...
IP "I got some shit!!!"
TCP "you got some shit? I know what to do with that shit!!!"
HTTP "this shit makes sense, thanx TCP"
TCP "No problem HTTP, but IP deserves most of the credit, thank IP"
IP "Your Welcome"
meanwhile NIC sulks in the corner who deserves all of the credit for the entire conversation.
Patents (copyright, trademarks, etc) are not bad, they give credit where credit is due...
its most (but not all) of the laws surrounding patents and copyrights, that are bad.
That should be modded Funny, more than Offtopic.
WARF quickly became Worf (Star Trek) in my head, soon followed by swordplay...
Im not sure what your point is... as I said: "Operating System's influence on this is rather limited" I didnt say that it was completely irrelivant what OS the GUI was running on... how the GUI looks and performs is based on how the Base window system is coded (ie: X11) however you can add layers to this (ie: GTK+, or DirectX) which allow even more possibilities.
Your TCP/IP example proves this....
HTTP, XMPP, SSH are all based on TCP, TCP is based on IP... so no matter how "unreliable" IP may be, its reliability can be improved depening on the layers added themselves, or how many layers are added, at the expense of certain things like Performance. such as StarDock WindowBlinds can achieve many many things that Windows Interface unto itself cannot, however at the expense of performance.
I suspect that it could be something similar to how government leaders will often impliment, or begin the process of implimenting a bunch of legislature just before their term in office is over...
Except the next leader, might be Microsoft... "Haha! deal with this Unlimited problem Microsoft"... sort of some self-sacrificing thing, cut off your nose to spite your face...
Although it could be to quickly gather a bunch of interest, raise their stock, maybe get some backing and financial help so that they dont give into Microsoft? or possibly to get more attention so that they can go back to Microsoft and be like... "No, see we now have 130 Million users, and 30,000 paying clients, we demand 66.4 Billion, instead of 44.6 Billion"
Interestingly enough, that "bonus" is also drawback... for someone who knows nothing about Linux and is just looking for a decent OS (or an alternative to their current OS) would get flustered looking at the 500 different distributions...
"Based On Debian"
WTF is Debian? why wasnt Debian good enough to start with? whats the difference between debian and this distro? whats the difference between Debian and Slaskware or RedHat?
Oh sure, you can argue that these things are all described on some website or wiki... but after you have gone around the loop 30 times, you still arent really sure...
Thats why when more "frinedly" distributions come along (RedHat, Mandrake/Mandriva, SuSE, Ubuntu) the adoption rates pick up a bit more, theres a distribution that "makes sense"...
Agreed Mod Parents-Parent Up...
The Operating System is never really "seen" unless you are looking at the source code.
Is mainly up to your choice of GUI (KDE, Gnome, XFCE, etc) and what they, or the applications you use look like and function the actual Operating System's influence on this is rather limited, thats why you can effectively make Windows "look" like Linux, or Mac, or vice-versa...
Right... and then I suppose Google can ship them back over here on boats right?... and make them pick results out of their field of cached web pages right?...
No your wrong, you took it out of context...
:P although possibly a prophet...
"A search engines job"
Its the company who developes/maintains the search engine who's job is to make a profit, a search engine simply lists links to all relavant web pages it finds to the search query.
Although that developer does intrinsicly have the right to edit the method that the search engine uses to find results, a search engine is incapable of making a profit.
Im not quite as pissed as this guy, but some of you dont realize that this isnt just a Chinese problem, or "something thats happening in another country, so what whers the TV remote?"... Google.com and Google.ca also limit the search results now thanx to DMCA among other things, which I dunno about you, but that angers me a lot, because it doesnt just warn you about "Illegal Content" it just removes all reference to the site that contaisn the content, and says "We removed stuff" never saying what they removed.
And who knows what else they remove that they dont notify you about.
Facebook works in XP because XP uses IPv4 (IPv6 is possible, but not at the check of a checkbox or anything)
This may be the same for your ambiguous "Linux" depending on what Distro/Kernel/KDE/Gnome/Browser you are using.
OSX has IPv6 support, but it has only been enabled by-default since 10.3 (Panther) and also depends on what Browser you are using.
Vista, has IPv6 support, enabled by default, IE7 has IPv6 enabled by default, its actually the only (mainstream) OS to-date thats completely IPv6 "By Default"...
Although I dont recall having any problem accessing Facebook with Vista (using Avant though - based on IE), its possible they changed their configuration since then (about 2 months ago)
If I had to venture a guess, its that maybe unlike OSX or possibly Linux, that when a server identifies itself as using IPv6, that Vista doesnt try and switch back to IPv4 if IPv6 fails, instead it demands IPv6...(or something)
Although in this case with this guy, I would be equally as likely to bet that it had nothing to due with IPv4/6 and probably just his security settings given that Facebook uses an encrypted connection (for Login, non-encrypted once logged in though)
Even if they blocked recording through your audiocard, there is always other means that I am almost positive will exists in some form, webcams, cell phones, im sure there would be far more voice activated things by then aswell, that has to envolve a microphone...
Are these practical for the average user?... nope, you wont see very many people playing around with soldering guns... but they wont have to, someone will, and someone will make it available through some legacy type product/format...
Thats not really the point though, who in their right mind would allow it to get that far?
"At this point, I'd say no."
I agree, however, I'd agree even more if you remove the first 3 words.
The only time I can think of where Facebook users (which includes me) is if the people/company behind Facebook decide to jump ship at some point, then I would expect all the user data on their servers to be properly 'destroyed'.
But perhaps thats what you meant by insinuating that at some time they may deserve it.
"Why would you be crossing the border with a schematic for an explosive trigger on your laptop?"
Aww shit, well you got me there, I was originally going to say something like "non-terrorist related devices" and felt compelled to slash it with some explosives (as in "non-explosive")and make a mess of it...
but hey, even if I did, thats not a crime (yet) either... unless I also have a drawing of me using the explosive device to blow up a schoolyard or a Brinks Truck.
As for the rest of your comment... my response is simply... "why should I have to?" if im not a criminal, why should I act like one?
I think he meant telling them to use a web browser other than IE, not that using another browser is less secure than using IE.
Or you could look really far into it, and maybe the Admin had some security setup that relied on IE, and by using another web browser would make that security ineffective.
"Peter Tippett, chief scientist at the ICSA and the inventor of the progam that became Norton Antivirus"
I'd be more prone to listen to security practices from the guy who...say...invented cheese string...
Or Isaac Asimov.. who wrote quite a few "The Dangers Of Computers" sort of stories...
What you think they'd do it out in the open?... no no, these sort of things always happen in little 8x8 rooms with a steel door with wire windows...
"Just give us a moment while our technician looks over your computer, please stand behind the line sir, this will be just a moment"
"Open" and "Trust" or more specifically "Security" are sort of oxymorons, especially when it comes to "Open Source", Open Specifications, fine, thats generally just "it should accomplish this, but by what means is up to you"
If its Open Source, that pretty much means that, you yourself can either look at the code that handles security itself (encryption, where and how it stores keys/passwords) or you probably know someone who can, without very much, if any retribution if said security is broken, who's accountable? Those 30 people over there---> or these 30 people over here? omg what about them?
The security on proprietary code isnt exactly better, however you can almost always say "it was Bob, he handles those 80 lines of code"
I'll probably get -1 Flamebate, but it just sort of seems like common sense to me...
"There are things about each I don't like, such as Iceland forcing everyone to submit DNA samples to a database."
What sort of conspiracy theory is that?... Ive been Googling for awhile now and I still cannot find any documents saying that its a manditory procedure, only that various studies to try and trace Icelandic history... but... "forcing?"
Although I have little faith in the voting system as it stands now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_college
Regardless of that, how many people voted for Bush (the first, and/or the second time) and how many of them regret that now?
I presume that you are old enough to remember *before* Bush right?... and how quickly things have changed? in one term, nevermind two?
Been following the legislation he's pushed through? its far more simple, and thus far quicker for the next Presidents to enact even more (heinous) legislation.
Yeah?... what about that funny website you visited that had joke image of someone killing Bush, sure its in your Temporary files, *maybe* you didnt even see it, *maybe* it wasnt even you who went to the site... *maybe* we'll just hold you in this cell until we figure that out...
You may not, but I know many that do (including myself) that have a few blueprints/schematics for non-terrorist/explosive devices, could that not be seen as possible terrorist activity or envolvement? You expect the border guard to know its a schematic for stabilizing the signal to noise ration in your WiFi?... wait... is that even legal?...
Thats cause you never see them again, they are all stuck in Gitmo.
Although I'd like to be naive enough to say "oh, thats good, now there isnt anything they can do aslong as I Rot13 my middle name"
It may work a couple times at first, some guard thats new at it, kinda nervous about looking like an idiot "fine fine, just go"...
But, eventually they'l have some weekend classes, telling them how to bypass user/Admin passwords (which is pretty easy on Windows, Mac and Linux when you have direct input, nevermind snagging the HD and scanning it with another PC)... Windows doesnt demand that you specify a Root/Admin password, most users dont even know that the account exists, and a lot of new Linux distro's dont either (not sure about Mac)... how many of you use a BIOS/EFI password? not sure about EFI, but BIOS passwords can be reset with a simple jumper which is almost always labeled directly on the motherboard [J16 - Reset BIOS Password]
And taking it a step further to any corporate/public encryption systems/techniques/algorithms would have to be documented and either distributed to the government at design, or demanded by at a per-incident basis, which is probably the only legitimate reason for giving a Corporation the same rights as a human (Google or Slashdot that topic)...
Possibly the best option if you are really paranoid, is uploading your "risky" material to a server, and download it at your destination... but... me personally?... I'd rather kick the guard in the balls and make a run for it...lol