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One Computer to Rule Them All

An anonymous reader writes "IBM has published a research paper describing an initiative called Project Kittyhawk, aimed at building "a global-scale shared computer capable of hosting the entire Internet as an application." Nicholas Carr describes the paper with the words "Forget Thomas Watson's apocryphal remark that the world may need only five computers. Maybe it needs just one." Here is the original paper."

288 comments

  1. Yeah, right... by Yetihehe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not gonna happen. One computer - one organization as the power. Does all corporations use gmail? No. The ssame with OSCPW (One Super Computer Per World).

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    1. Re:Yeah, right... by tritonman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hell, even gmail isn't hosted all on one computer. This has to be the dumbest thing that I've ever heard. Who ever heard of a global network becoming an "application" hosted on one computer? What planet are these people from?

    2. Re:Yeah, right... by yiantsbro · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've seen this movie--and both sequels. It doesn't work out so well for us humans in the end.

    3. Re:Yeah, right... by MoralHazard · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you'd bothered to even finish reading the summary (let alone the article), you would have noticed the key word: SHARED. Nobody's talking about hosting this all on one physical computer any more than Gmail is hosted on one physical computer. Both setups are distributed clusters of smaller computers.

      At which point you start to see were IBM's idea actually make sense--they are talking about building a worldwide, distributed, networked collection of cooperating computers... HEY, that sounds an awful lot like the Internet!!

      (I swear, the comment quality on Slashdot gets more and more like YouTube every day.)

    4. Re:Yeah, right... by phillips321 · · Score: 1

      Message to tritoman: please see the following http://www.rtfa.co.uk/

    5. Re:Yeah, right... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      All I can say is they better use a really big UPS.

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    6. Re:Yeah, right... by somersault · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At which point you start to see were IBM's idea actually make sense--they are talking about building a worldwide, distributed, networked collection of cooperating computers... HEY, that sounds an awful lot like the Internet!! That's what I was thinking. Have they applied for a patent for this system, by any chance? ;)
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    7. Re:Yeah, right... by BodhiCat · · Score: 1

      OK, has no one seen the Corbin Project, the Terminator Series, read the Moon is a Harsh Mistress, come on, .......

    8. Re:Yeah, right... by martinlong1978 · · Score: 1

      Nope... SHARED means the opposite of what you are suggesting. Shared = 1 piece of physical hardware SHARED by multiple users / applications Distributed = Single users / applications load DISTRIBUTED over multiple pieces of physical hardware.

    9. Re:Yeah, right... by Athrun+Zala · · Score: 1

      (I swear, the comment quality on Slashdot gets more and more like YouTube every day.)
      Youtube?! Lucky guy, never been to Digg in his life..
    10. Re:Yeah, right... by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      All I can say is they better use a really big UPS.

      Brown and blue really don't mix well....

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    11. Re:Yeah, right... by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 1

      I've spent very little time on Digg, but I'd rather read that all day than spend one hour reading Youtube comments. They're almost as bad as this one.

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    12. Re:Yeah, right... by Nimey · · Score: 1

      And the Yahoo news comments were at least as bad. Some things just shouldn't have comments.

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    13. Re:Yeah, right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (I swear, the comment quality on Slashdot gets more and more like YouTube every day.)
      Fake, this comment is obviously photoshopped.
    14. Re:Yeah, right... by Anivair · · Score: 1

      Hell, with the right clustering software this could be done already. Virtual machines hosting the internet could cluster with other webhosting sites and the like. No reason a cluster has to be all in one place, really. The networking isn't there yet, but once it is this sounds like it isn't a bad idea (in theory).

    15. Re:Yeah, right... by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      I read Slashdots for the comments and Digg for the articles (and Playboy for the "articles")....

      I like the quality of the comments on Slashdot better than Digg, but I like that articles appear on Digg a lot faster especially on slow news days. Maybe I need more to do at work.....and maybe the Firehose has gotten better since I last poked my head over there, but I think each service has their place and for Digg, it's definately not about the comments.

      Layne

    16. Re:Yeah, right... by emaname · · Score: 1

      Does anyone remember "The Forbin Project?"

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    17. Re:Yeah, right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen this movie--and both sequels. It doesn't work out so well for us humans in the end.

      Yeas but you are forgetting The Chronicles. The ability to send back a hot female robot to our teenage selves isn't to be taken lightly.

    18. Re:Yeah, right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen this movie

      Do you mean the Colossus super computer that begins spitting out numbers in a paper tape, each time faster, until it spits out now theoremas?

      Then it is connected to the Russian computer and they begin to encrypt their messages and then decide to destroy humankind?

      It is interesting that many movies in the 60's were about connecting computers and they become self-aware and then deciding to get rid of humans (like "we don't need you any longer, thanks for your time"). I think it is the nightmare of every computer programmer, that the system will become self aware, it will repair its own code and send you home.

    19. Re:Yeah, right... by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      If you'd bothered to even finish reading the summary (let alone the article), you would have noticed the key word: SHARED. Nobody's talking about hosting this all on one physical computer any more than Gmail is hosted on one physical computer. Both setups are distributed clusters of smaller computers.

      At which point you start to see were IBM's idea actually make sense--they are talking about building a worldwide, distributed, networked collection of cooperating computers... HEY, that sounds an awful lot like the Internet!!

      (I swear, the comment quality on Slashdot gets more and more like YouTube every day.) They are in fact creating visions on paper, for theoretical future demands and how can current software scheme, development practices could deal with it. If you dig enough, I am sure there were some visionary IBM guys in 1960s who theorises about things similar to today's World. I also think Slashdot should put an end to this "You don't need Digg" type of image shift, it is getting more awful every day. Original racing with half lame copies doesn't make sense.

    20. Re:Yeah, right... by TeknoHog · · Score: 4, Funny

      All I can say is they better use a really big UPS.

      Or, instead, prepare for a really big OOPS.

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    21. Re:Yeah, right... by Thansal · · Score: 1

      Yah, but Mike was on OUR side (well, our side being the loonies, as they were the protagonists).

      so I see no problem!

      However, I have to admit to being amused that everyone references SkyNet, yet no one references The Matrix. yes, I know that The Matrix isn't nearly as geeky as SkyNet, but still.

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    22. Re:Yeah, right... by Mr.+Beatdown · · Score: 1

      If you'd bothered to even finish reading the summary (let alone the article), you would have noticed the key word: SHARED. Nobody's talking about hosting this all on one physical computer any more than Gmail is hosted on one physical computer. Both setups are distributed clusters of smaller computers. At which point you start to see were IBM's idea actually make sense--they are talking about building a worldwide, distributed, networked collection of cooperating computers... HEY, that sounds an awful lot like the Internet!! (I swear, the comment quality on Slashdot gets more and more like YouTube every day.)

      Americans r Fuken sheep.
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    23. Re:Yeah, right... by StevisF · · Score: 1

      Thank you for that post, you saved me the trouble of writing my own.

      Given the fact that Blue Gene is a cluster by definition ... who knows? Axiom 0: people are stupid.

    24. Re:Yeah, right... by StevisF · · Score: 1

      "global-scale shared computer"

      He was using their words, but really, what does that mean? A whole lot of nothing. It sounds impressive I guess. It would be a shared computer as much as the Google cluster is a global-scale shared computer.

      https://asc.llnl.gov/computing_resources/bluegenel/configuration.html

      Each node card is logically just like any cluster node made from commodity hardware. It runs linux and has a bunch of CPUs. The internal architecture of a Blue Gene node a lot is different than a commodity node, but from outside, they operate the same.

      And another thing, it would really be no different than the existing Internet. The existing Internet has no sentience, so neither would this implementation. It's not like the Internet could all of a sudden become self aware and take over the world.

    25. Re:Yeah, right... by Anpheus · · Score: 1

      That thing is going to need a ton more magic than any sysadmin has ever had to wire up before.

    26. Re:Yeah, right... by dave420 · · Score: 1

      RON PAUL FTW!

    27. Re:Yeah, right... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the reflections are all wrong.

    28. Re:Yeah, right... by ChrisA90278 · · Score: 1

      "they better use a really big UPS."

      You missed the point. A system like that proposed here would be fault tolerant. It could continue to operate even if some parts of it failed or lacked power. In fact in a system this large there would always be many parts that were broken.
      Servers and data centers have been designed like this for some time now. What's interresting here is that the technology scales so well.

    29. Re:Yeah, right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong ! Colloseus Forbin Project (and it's sequel) were to preserver mankind despite itself. Also the Nine Billion Names of God the computer isnt computing doodley, it's just listing the possible lexical permutations that were supposed to represent all the possible names of God (to the attending priests) - no malignant AI plotting the destruction of earth and earthlings there either.
      I keep thinking my memory is sub-par but reading the above comments makes me think it's only the geritol club that hangs out here.BTW, you need'nt worry about any hypercomputer from IBM doing this. This has gotta be another one of their hare brained schemes to centralise everything. Probably a bunch of dinosaurs pining for control like the good ol' days. And you can almost bet they'd wanna write the control application in Websphere so you'd need a calendar to measure the response time.
      Relax !!

    30. Re:Yeah, right... by jibjibjib · · Score: 1

      I can see the pixels.

    31. Re:Yeah, right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally, I'll be able to do what I've been wanting to do since the start of this whole interweb thang:

      copy *.*

    32. Re:Yeah, right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, Terminator was on earlier this week... skynet was a bad thing remember? plus if just that computer crashes (assuming its using m$ software) the entire world is s.o.l.? real smart!

    33. Re:Yeah, right... by Mr.+Roadkill · · Score: 1

      I've seen this movie--and both sequels. It doesn't work out so well for us humans in the end.
      There are sequels to Colossus:The Forbin Project? Cool! Where can I find them?
    34. Re:Yeah, right... by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      Sounds more like a botnet. One of the good things about the internet is that you can stick a firewall up to keep others out.

    35. Re:Yeah, right... by dwater · · Score: 1

      he he. That was my thought too :)

      I guess it'd be a variation on sneakernet, right?

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    36. Re:Yeah, right... by elloGov · · Score: 1

      Right, it is great how everything inspired by good for humanity and practicality ends up being a porn site in the end. Imagine that, one big C***!

    37. Re:Yeah, right... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      You missed the point.
      Chris, I understand. I was just making a dopey joke. Thank you for being concerned enough to try to straighten me out, though. Sometimes, it's hard to tell who's kidding and who's clueless. As you did, it's sometimes better to be safe and assume "clueless".
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    38. Re:Yeah, right... by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      IIRC I saw it on Inspector Gadget too, was called the GEEC or such.

  2. Good idea by stjobe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Putting all of your eggs in one basket always seemed like a good idea...

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    1. Re:Good idea by Nivex · · Score: 3, Funny

      RAII (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Intarwebs) :)

    2. Re:Good idea by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Putting all of your eggs in one basket always seemed like a good idea... Oh, I'm sure a massive supercomputer design from a company with the large-scale computing experience of IBM would be far from putting all your eggs in one basket. Have you ever worked on IBM mainframe equipment? This stuff has redundancies up the wazoo -- everything from multiple redundant power paths to multiple redundant CPUs and mainboards. You know how everyone brags about Linux servers have "three 9s" uptime? Screw "three 9s". IBMs large-scale computers have -- for all intents and purposes -- 100% uptime. This is why banks and financial institutions and governments and militaries rely on such machines -- because when you need it to run all the time and never go down, you get a mainframe. IBM's supercomputers are no different in that respect.

    3. Re:Good idea by Samaclean · · Score: 1

      Putting all of your eggs in one basket always seemed like a good idea... Yeah, it's much easier to scramble them that way..... as opposed to doing them one at a time...
    4. Re:Good idea by The+-e**(i*pi) · · Score: 1

      its independent, you insensitive clod

    5. Re:Good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      You're funny.

      Have you worked as one of the people managing the people managing the mainframes? IBM support goes down all the time. Although complete loss of data is highly unlikely because there is so much back up etc. involved, customers routinely complain about not being able to access this or that because this part of the network is down, etc. IBM employees get calls for a Severity 1 outage routinely, and it's becoming increasingly problematic as IBM continues to implement resource actions.

      To say that IBMs services are up 100% of the time is misleading. I wouldn't want them "hosting" the internet.

      Also, I think the point being made was that we don't want one group in charge of it, rather than not wanting one bit of machinery involved. By restricting control and maintenance of something this global under one specific hierarchy, we effectively eliminate any system of checks and balances.

    6. Re:Good idea by thechao · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter how redundant it is if the whole building falls into the Abyss.

    7. Re:Good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One official statement from IBM used to claim that Mainframes had a mean-time-between-failures (MTBF) of 40 years.

    8. Re:Good idea by StewBaby2005 · · Score: 1

      Yes, and the HAL 9000 series of computers have never made an error. I'm afraid I con't open the hatch, Dave....

    9. Re:Good idea by adpowers · · Score: 1

      This isn't a mainframe, it is a supercomputer. Last month we had a talk at work from a researcher at LLNL who works with supercomputers, and specifically the BlueGene/L. While BlueGene/L is reliable for a supercomputer, it sucks compared to a fault tolerant cluster or even a single machine: he said it has a hardware crash on average every seven days (compared with a day or two for more complicated supercomputer architectures). These large systems have no fault tolerance and one failure takes down the whole machine. That's why the software that runs on supercomputers makes lots of checkpoints.

  3. Reminds me of 11001001 by nharmon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Having a worldwide master computer really worked for the Bynars. I'm sure it'll work here on Earth too.

    1. Re:Reminds me of 11001001 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So when it goes wrong all we have to do is sit back and let Weasley Crusher save us? I think I prefer the Skynet future.

    2. Re:Reminds me of 11001001 by jez9999 · · Score: 2, Funny

      That episode was dumb in so many ways.

      They developed a method of talking to each other using 'binary' which sounded a little bit like a 10 baud modem, and we're to believe this is more efficient? They 'evolved' to require that they all work in twos, or they were virtually helpless; this is superior to the ability to work either in a team or alone? They wired themselves into a global computer - this makes some kind of sense? Their global computer's ENTIRE memory could somehow be downloaded into ONE starship (Enterprise)'s memory bank? In a few hours? And somehow, throughout this gargantuan operation, and despite the obvious fact that their planet was about to get creamed by a nearby star exploding, they still managed to trick Starfleet into thinking that their exclusive access to the Enterprise's computer was for the purposes of a small upgrade?

    3. Re:Reminds me of 11001001 by Atriqus · · Score: 1

      In the eternal words (word) of Capt Picard: "Agreed."

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    4. Re:Reminds me of 11001001 by coolGuyZak · · Score: 1

      They 'evolved' to require that they all work in twos, or they were virtually helpless; this is superior to the ability to work either in a team or alone?

      Obviously, the Bynars evolved from pair programmers. *ducks*

    5. Re:Reminds me of 11001001 by Samah · · Score: 1

      > They 'evolved' to require that they all work in twos
      Bender: Ahhh, what an awful dream. Ones and zeroes everywhere... and I thought I saw a two.
      Fry: Don't worry, Bender, there's no such thing as two!

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  4. Hosting the entire internet? by dreamchaser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Huh? The Internet is not an application. It's just a big network. Sounds like marketing speak to me.

    Just imagine a Beowulf cluster of Internets! Bah.

    1. Re:Hosting the entire internet? by Kranfer · · Score: 1

      All the while the Llama loving Stef is promising this to all the clients. Pitir plans to hack the one machine internet and use it to his own ends. The end of the world must be near. Especially with marketing getting involved.

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    2. Re:Hosting the entire internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? The Internet is not an application. It's just a big network of tubes. Sounds like marketing speak to me.

      you left off part of the description, fixed it for you.

    3. Re:Hosting the entire internet? by Reverend528 · · Score: 1

      Don't worry. This supercomputer doesn't function like a big truck. It's built out of a series of tubes.

    4. Re:Hosting the entire internet? by mpcooke3 · · Score: 1

      Other cool ideas:

      Internet in a book.
      Internet on a toilet roll.
      Internet in your tea.

    5. Re:Hosting the entire internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nerd !

    6. Re:Hosting the entire internet? by nametaken · · Score: 1

      Thank you.

      Thank you, thank you, thank you.

  5. The Internet isn't working! by sd.fhasldff · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now that old standard user complaint might actually become true!

  6. Hello Multivac! by Megane · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Maybe Asimov was right after all?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multivac

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    1. Re:Hello Multivac! by Stachybotris · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nah, I think it's more along the lines of what Harlan Ellison was talking about...

    2. Re:Hello Multivac! by lenehey · · Score: 1

      Actually more along the lines of what David Brin described in his novel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_%28novel%29">Earth. In that book, which was written in 1990, Brin describes a hypertexted world-wide network of computers that ...

      (spoiler alert)







      becomes sentient.

    3. Re:Hello Multivac! by EdIII · · Score: 1

      I love sci-fi and I have read a lot of novels and paperbacks, I must have at least 100 books in my bookshelf. However, I have NEVER read that short story.

      That was awesome. The ending was so unexpected.

      I very rarely have the time to read anymore. It's so unfortunate, but true.

      I enjoyed that 20 minutes as much as I have enjoyed whole books from Arthur C. Clarke, Heinlen, Frank Herbert, Frederik Pohl, and many many others.

      Thanks for posting that.

    4. Re:Hello Multivac! by theJavaMan · · Score: 0

      Could be, however the software to perform such intelligent and complex functions is yet to be even imagined.

  7. imagine a beowolf cluster of these by Potor · · Score: 1, Funny

    mod me to oblivion ...

    1. Re:imagine a beowolf cluster of these by raydubicki · · Score: 1, Interesting

      And that's exactly why there will never be just one computer. We may only *need* a single or a dozen or a hundred of anything, but there will always be someone, or some government, or some billionaire adventurer that wants one of his own. Then the race starts again.

  8. So basically... by AltGrendel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...they are going to patent the Storm Worm computer virus.

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  9. that isn't the best by kevgaxxana · · Score: 1

    the cia and other intelligence agencies have computers far ahead of them

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    1. Re:that isn't the best by pipatron · · Score: 1

      Oooh.. that's really scary! I bet they were built from secret tax money that is somehow not registered in the budget as well, but also somehow magically gets deducted from your pay. In secret.

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    2. Re:that isn't the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe the scary part is that if its all on one machine the 'intelligence' gathering would be a whole lot easier for those spooks

    3. Re:that isn't the best by datapharmer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Kind of. It is registered in the tax roles, it just can't be accounted for once it is dispersed: "The Department of Defense... once again finds itself under intense scrutiny, only this time because it couldn't account for more than a trillion dollars in financial transactions..." according to a Government Accountability office "A study by the Defense Department's inspector general found that the Pentagon couldn't properly account for more than a trillion dollars in monies spent." -sfgate

      Maybe they are building that giant-mega-super-computer after all, or maybe they are funding covert wars and skimming your money for $640 toilet seats and retirement funds. Either way, they are outright taking money from me with no accountability which makes me even more pissed than if it were secret!

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    4. Re:that isn't the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, it's impossible for any project to be funded secretly just ask Oliver North.

    5. Re:that isn't the best by somersault · · Score: 1

      Dude with the billions that are given to the military and separate agencies each year, it wouldn't be very difficult to build awesome supercomputers. Plus isn't it common knowledge that the CIA or FBI or whoever (I'm not that up on my government agencies, and I've never even been to the USA) have supercomputers to crack encryption on communications, and in fact it's 'illegal' to use encryption over a certain strength?

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    6. Re:that isn't the best by Vectronic · · Score: 1

      C.I.A. Computers In Action.

      I would highly doubt that, throughout the history of computers, various science departments, and even consumers in many cases computers are far superior to those used by government agencies.

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2965620.stm

      But its really hard to believe anything, the only real "proof" we (may) have is stuff like catching them editing Wikipedia articles, or abusing IRC chats, which even if they are true, are childish as far as technical abilities.

    7. Re:that isn't the best by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      Dude with the billions that are given to the military and separate agencies each year, it wouldn't be very difficult to build awesome supercomputers. Plus isn't it common knowledge that the CIA or FBI or whoever (I'm not that up on my government agencies, and I've never even been to the USA) have supercomputers to crack encryption on communications, and in fact it's 'illegal' to use encryption over a certain strength? Illegal to use encryption!

      Where did you get that from?

      Where I live there are anti-fortification laws on buildings so perhaps its not so far fetched.

      With physical security even a cheap $50 lock provides some level of defence against would be intruders and altho no building is impenetrable there is a time limit the bad guys can't spend all day/night attempting entry because someone will catch them in the process but if you have a laptop stolen the thief has all the time in the world and only strong encryption will offer any defence.

      Weak encryption is the same as closing your front door but leaving it unlocked, most would be thieves will be stopped by a closed door as opposed to one that's left wide open because they don't test to see if it IS open they just see the closed door and assume its locked but if they did try the door they would easily gain access.

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    8. Re:that isn't the best by somersault · · Score: 1

      Hmm well after googling then it appears that currently it is legal to use any strength of encryption in the US, thought it is illegal to export certain products if they have good levels of encryption, and law enforcement is against people using strong encryption (for obvious reasons) (source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/encryption/encryption.htm ). I was sure I'd read before on /. that it was illegal to use encryption that was over a certain strength, but maybe that wasn't for the US, or it was only being proposed rather than being actual law..

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    9. Re:that isn't the best by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      If law enforcement didn't abuse technology and trample on people's privacy development of cryptography wouldn't have gotten as far as it is today.

      It's simple supply & demand.

      Its the censor/wiretap attitude today that make users look for ways to secure their privacy and freedom of speech.

      ~Dan

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    10. Re:that isn't the best by somersault · · Score: 1

      Privacy and freedom of speech seem to me to not really have that much to do with each other. If you truly have freedom of speech, you shouldn't need the privacy in regards to what you're saying. Personal and private information (your social security number for example?) isn't something that you want to be covered under freedom of speech either, so the two are quite separate issues IMO.

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      which is totally what she said
    11. Re:that isn't the best by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      Privacy and Freedom of speech do conflict with each other from time to time.

      But,
      Can you really have true freedom of speech without anonymity?

      ~Dan

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    12. Re:that isn't the best by somersault · · Score: 1

      Can you really have true freedom of speech without anonymity? Depends on your local legal system and/or what conspicuous weapons and defense mechanisms you have. I'm guessing Iron Man is pretty free with his speech.
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  10. machine city by rasputin465 · · Score: 1

    Let's see how many references to The Matrix we get in the comments...

    1. Re:machine city by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      one

    2. Re:machine city by jawtheshark · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wouldn't the Terminator series be more on topic than The Matrix?

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    3. Re:machine city by cbart387 · · Score: 1
      They're both on the same basic theme. Just that Terminator's frame-of-reference is before 'the war' whereas Matrix is after so The Matrix is probably less relateable.

      The year is estimated to be around 2199, and humanity is fighting a war against intelligent machines created in the early 21st century. The sky is covered in thick black clouds created by the humans in an attempt to cut off the machines' supply of solar power. The machines responded by using human beings as their energy source, growing countless people in pods and harvesting their bioelectrical energy and body heat. wiki
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  11. Maybe it does need just one... by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 4, Funny

    plus a hot spare, off-site.

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    1. Re:Maybe it does need just one... by v1 · · Score: 1

      a planetary computer's off-site hot spare would be ... on mars maybe?

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    2. Re:Maybe it does need just one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think of the possibilities for such a network:

      ln -s /dev/random /net/Uranus

  12. One OS to rule them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Recently one of my friends, a computer wizard, paid me a visit. As we were talking I mentioned that I had recently installed Windows on my PC, I told him how happy I was with this operating system and showed him the Windows CD. To my astonishment and distress he threw it into my micro-wave oven and turned it on. I was upset because the CD had become precious to me, but he said: 'Do not worry, it is unharmed.' After a few minutes he took the CD out, gave it to me and said: 'Take a close look at it.' To my surprise the CD was quite cold and it seemed to have become thicker and heavier than before. At first I could not see anything, but on the inner edge of the central hole I saw an inscription, in lines finer than anything I have ever seen before. The inscription shone piercingly bright, and yet remote, as if out of a great depth:

    4F6E65204F5320746F2072756C65207468656D20616C6C2C204F6E65204F5320746F 2066696E64207468656D2C0D0A4F6E65204F5320746F206272696E67207468656D20 616C6C20616E6420696E20746865206461726B6E6573732062696E64207468656D

    'I cannot read the fiery letters,' I said.

    'No,' he said, 'but I can. The letters are Hex, of an ancient mode, but the language is that of Microsoft, which I shall not utter here. But in common English this is what it says:'

    One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them,
    One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.

    1. Re:One OS to rule them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      so what you're saying, essentially, is:

      01001111 01101110 01100101 00100000 01001111 01010011 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01110010 01110101 01101100 01100101 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 01101101 00100000 01100001 01101100 01101100 00101100 00100000 01001111 01101110 01100101 00100000 01001111 01010011 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01100110 01101001 01101110 01100100 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 01101101 00101100 00001101 00001010 01001111 01101110 01100101 00100000 01001111 01010011 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01100010 01110010 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 01101101 00100000 01100001 01101100 01101100 00100000 01100001 01101110 01100100 00100000 01101001 01101110 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01100100 01100001 01110010 01101011 01101110 01100101 01110011 01110011 00100000 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100100 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 01101101?

    2. Re:One OS to rule them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Running through a Hex to Ascii converter renders: 'One OS to rule them all' One OS to??f??B?F?V??????R??2?F??'&??r?F?V??all and in the darkness bind them???'

    3. Re:One OS to rule them all by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      1!

    4. Re:One OS to rule them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5555 goon sir. ror!

    5. Re:One OS to rule them all by ehud42 · · Score: 1

      Cute. How lazy I've become, and yet still enjoy being geekish. Years ago I would have manually decoded a few characters to verify the plausibility of the cipher and then written a quick little C++ program to dump out the text. Now with Google and the net, it is taking me longer to write this reply then it did to find a Hex-to-ASCII converter and verify the code.

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    6. Re:One OS to rule them all by Tipa · · Score: 1

      Python: ''.join([chr(int(s[i:i+2],16)) for i in range(0,len(s),2)])

      Prints just what he wrote. Kinda disappointing actually, I was hoping it would be different.

      (Yes, I know this probably could be written shorter in Perl...)

    7. Re:One OS to rule them all by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Try removing non-hex chars.

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    8. Re:One OS to rule them all by Tim82 · · Score: 1

      Best. Post. Ever.

    9. Re:One OS to rule them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've just got the memo from IBM Finance ordering me to install Windows Internet Edition on the Kitty' so they can still run Excel. What they don't seem to realise is that global_holographic_clippy.dll itself needs 104PB of DASD.

    10. Re:One OS to rule them all by mmalove · · Score: 1

      Honestly I don't care if it was offtopic, that made my day:)

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    11. Re:One OS to rule them all by jagdish · · Score: 1

      In the Land of Redmond where the Shadows lie.

  13. So pretty soon I'll be able to host goatse by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

    without my knowledge? Wonderful!

  14. OS by halcyon1234 · · Score: 1

    And according to a Microsoft press release, they feel confident that there are key indicators signaling IBM's adoption of Vista for the new supercomputer.

    1. Re:OS by grahamd0 · · Score: 1

      Do you think they'll be able to enable Aero?

    2. Re:OS by kylehase · · Score: 1

      It has 67.1m cores but the graphics card doesn't support Aero.

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  15. Re:Yeah, right... Indeed by cytg.net · · Score: 5, Funny

    And just for that very same reason, i suggest we implement a kill switch ..
    a kill switch like..hmm..how about : whatcouldpossiblegowrong ??
    agreed then. Thank you for participating.

  16. hmm planetary sized network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long till it goes rampant?

  17. Skynet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Just saying.

  18. Does it come complete with boat Anchors... by The+Lord+of+Chaos · · Score: 0

    to cut Iran off from the internet?

  19. Article Summary by dachshund · · Score: 3, Informative
    Basically this is a puff piece for IBM, talking up how their Blue Gene SMP systems can run Apache and Linux, so big clients should all run out and buy those rather than clustering inexpensive hardware. The "one computer, running the Internet as an application" thing is a meaningless hook to draw readers in (and get a little bit of attention on places like Slashdot).

    In real life there may be a case to be made for IBM's solution. But making that case has more to do with actually convincing large customers that IBM is substantially cheaper (and runs the software people need). Since that doesn't seem to be happening on a massive scale, I tend to doubt IBM's hype.

    1. Re:Article Summary by flaming-opus · · Score: 1

      ACtually Blue Gene is not a big SMP. From the OS point of view, it's basically a cluster. So the article basically says that instead of using a cluster of 2U rackmount servers to host your internet app, you can use a cluster of Blue Gene nodes to host a large internet app. Trade one cluster for another. The Blue Gene alternative is attractive, in that each node uses very little power, and is very densely packaged. However, you do lose some flexibility. If, for some reason, your application required many hundreds of 2U servers to host it, you could replace it with a single rack of Blue Gene, and save some floor space and power. However, for most applications, which use a couple dozen web servers, it seems like overkill.

    2. Re:Article Summary by dachshund · · Score: 1

      Right, fair enough. I guess what I'm saying is that although I've never seen the pricing, my hearsay impression is that it's high enough to make physically separate machines worth it even in very large installations. So either there isn't that much of a cost savings, OR there is, but you're handing a lot of it back to IBM. I've also heard that the platform isn't quite as flexible (i.e., runs enough applications/OSes) to easily migrate existing clusters to it (i.e., the way you could if you were just switching from Dell 2U rackmount servers to some other equivalent brand of 2U rackmount server.)

    3. Re:Article Summary by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 1

      If, for some reason, your application required many hundreds of 2U servers to host it, you could replace it with a single rack of Blue Gene, and save some floor space and power. However, for most applications, which use a couple dozen web servers, it seems like overkill. If you only need a few, the idea is that you rent them, EC2-style.
  20. I'm sorry Dave... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't serve that...

  21. Welcome by rozojc · · Score: 1

    I for one, welcome Multivac!

    1. Re:Welcome by macdo · · Score: 1

      My thoughts exactly! We tend to forget our 'classics'!

  22. We will ask this question by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Can the entropy of the universe be reversed? will be the question we will be asking this computer.

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  23. the internet is infinitely expanding by kevgaxxana · · Score: 1

    just like the universe. nothing can contain it or even come close. the current size is about .5 zettabytes. the amount of space needed to contain it all (assuming it continues it's expansion) would be incalcuable.

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  24. And the answer is... (no spoilers. ) by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Informative

    ... Well, I don't have the creativity to write something this nice, and certainly I don't have the right to spoil it. Check out one of the most enjoyable short stories written by Aasimov

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    1. Re: And the answer is... (no spoilers. ) by cbart387 · · Score: 3, Informative
      From the story you posted ...

      Multivac was self-adjusting and self-correcting. It had to be, for nothing human could adjust and correct it quickly enough or even adequately enough. A researcher from IBM came to my university for a presentation. His area of research is in autonomic computer. It basically boils down to the phrase quoted above. That, coupled with the project mentioned in the summary, I could certainly see a multivac-type machine becoming a reality.

      I always enjoyed the multivac stories. Thanks.

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    2. Re: And the answer is... (no spoilers. ) by moonbender · · Score: 1

      That was pretty cool. Thanks for the link.

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    3. Re: And the answer is... (no spoilers. ) by soulfury · · Score: 1

      42, doh!

  25. One enormous single point of failure by andyh · · Score: 1

    Pretty much the opposite of the point of the internetwork infrastructure!

  26. Phython! by bunratty · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm glad they're forward-looking enough to implement Phython, the best of PHP and Python in one language. Maybe next year they can implement Pherlthon?

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    1. Re:Phython! by Linker3000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hear the computer will be based on quad core Pentathlons

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    2. Re:Phython! by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1


      The roadmap shows the integration with a popular web framework, tentatively to be named Pherlthuby on Phails, scheduled for late 2009.

    3. Re:Phython! by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      I hear the computer will be based on quad core Pentathlons

      Wouldn't that be a five-core machine?

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    4. Re:Phython! by Linker3000 · · Score: 1

      I hope any plastic components don't contain Phthththalates

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      AT&ROFLMAO
    5. Re:Phython! by Linker3000 · · Score: 1

      Nah, that would be silly. Next you'll be telling me that the 486-DX4 processors were quad clocked!

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      AT&ROFLMAO
  27. I got the beer and peanuts! by edwardpickman · · Score: 1

    Why do I feel a hyperspace bipass coming on?

  28. That idea contradicts the purpose of the internet. by boombasticman · · Score: 2

    The internet was invented as a military network to survive even the loss of one land. Dumb, if the only internet server is in exactly this land. Redundancy is absolutley wanted, to support the internet to stay alive.

  29. Re:Yeah, right... Indeed by damienl451 · · Score: 1

    It won't work: PETC (People for the Ethical Treatment of Computers) will argue that a cognizant computer cannot be turned off, and people like Peter Singer will back them up.

  30. Reinventing torrents? by Stan+Vassilev · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't wait to be submit my credit card, using my e-banking or book airline tickets, to a bunch of random desktop machines hosting a distributed web application.

    I'm using edge cases? I'm being biased? Well, here's how IBM describes their project: "Such a computer would be capable of hosting not only individual web-scale workloads but the entire Internet."

    The *entire* Internet is vastly more complex and demanding on its *backend* than its *frontend* reveals. What can be hosted entirely on a distributed network of desktop machines precludes many trusted and secure online transactions we make use of in the Internet today. It's obvious from the get go, that this will be only usable for a limited subset of online applications (like, hosting Wikipedia for ex.?) , but I guess making overly broad statements caught the eye of some bloggers and journalists.

    1. Re:Reinventing torrents? by inviolet · · Score: 1

      The *entire* Internet is vastly more complex and demanding on its *backend* than its *frontend* reveals. What can be hosted entirely on a distributed network of desktop machines precludes many trusted and secure online transactions we make use of in the Internet today. It's obvious from the get go, that this will be only usable for a limited subset of online applications (like, hosting Wikipedia for ex.?) , but I guess making overly broad statements caught the eye of some bloggers and journalists.

      Not to worry. The whole idea will become simple and practical just as soon as a computer's physical security no longer matters. That is what the Trusted Computing regim^H^H^H^H^Hdictatorsh^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hinitiative is all about.

      Even so, I'll trust the bad guys with physical access right about the time hell freezes over. When there is this much money at stake, somebody with physical access is going to crack the box.

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    2. Re:Reinventing torrents? by fm6 · · Score: 1

      I'm using edge cases?
      Why not use edge cases? They happen often enough to matter.
    3. Re:Reinventing torrents? by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      Isnt it the nature of big business to see something that came from an uncentralized grassroots model and say "We can do better."

      Err, no, you cant. Some thigns work only because of their decentralized nature. This approach has brought up stuff like manufactured boy bands, corporate rock, cookie-cutter novels, etc. It certainly wont bring us the next Tim Berners-Lee or the next Jimi Hendrix. It will bring us the next MSN/Prodigy-like walled garden that will collapse when people see how much more exciting the real internet is.

  31. Geesh, now we just by mrwolf007 · · Score: 1

    need to find a problem for the solution.
    So its big enough to run the whole web (afaik they werent talking about the internet).
    So, who in their right mind could find a problem requiring so much power???

    Well, on the other hand it might run Windows2020 with Crysis2020 at an acceptable frame rate.

  32. 67.1 million computers by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 1

    According to the article, the "giant computer" is really a crap-ton of racks, meaning 67.1 million "computers" with some networking to run perhaps as a single logical "system". Makes me want to ask: isn't the internet already millions of computers with networking? Why would we need this?

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    1. Re:67.1 million computers by MSZ · · Score: 1

      So IBM can post record revenue and the sales team will get raises and bonuses? Very reasonable explanation for people having some IBM stock or working there...

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  33. Don't we need two? by j-min · · Score: 1, Funny

    One for the regular internet, and a second (presumably more powerful) for all the porn?

  34. A free link to the original paper by bo-eric · · Score: 3, Informative
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    -- Free speech is only free if your time is worth nothing.
  35. Re:Yeah, right... Indeed by rucs_hack · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the eighties I read a short story where they built a massive computer to answer the question 'is there a god'.

    They turned it on, and got the answer 'there is now'.

    Fiction yes, but it was musing on the problem of relience on a single solution to a big problem (being in that case a question, but implying a deeper relience on computers, such that this solution was conceived in the first place). What if the single solution fails, or doesn't do what you want?

    I'm not into beleiving in an AI taking over the world if we rely ever more on centralised computing. I'm more into the idea of a powerful AI that we rely on deciding it doesn't want to do what we fancy, and deciding to leave (you can go a long way if you don't need oxygen). If that happened, we'd be fucked.

  36. One Computer To Rule Them All by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its Frakking Skynet all over

  37. Just like mine by The-Bus · · Score: 4, Funny

    It'll store all the internet?

    Wonderful. Then, just like my computer, I estimate the data it contains to be about 70% porn.

    --

    Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.

  38. Recursion by webrunner · · Score: 5, Funny

    What happens when they put it on the Internet, and then has to also serve itself?

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    1. Re:Recursion by Paralizer · · Score: 1

      My head just exploded.

    2. Re:Recursion by calebt3 · · Score: 1

      What happens when you access a web page hosted on your own box?

    3. Re:Recursion by FrozenFOXX · · Score: 1

      Naturally it'll respond with, "Thank you, sir, may I have another?"

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      "Just a fox, a whisper."
  39. I for one welcome our new global-computer overlord by tehtest · · Score: 0

    sorry :(

  40. Some combination of "sensationalist" and "false" by Neillparatzo · · Score: 1

    So, because the system is capable of addressing up to 2^14 racks / 2^26 nodes, naturally it's going to be sold in that ridiculously huge configuration and going to "run the entire Internet"? That's like saying your 64-bit PC is going to have 16 exabytes of RAM next year and is going to store every word ever spoken by humans.

    Buried as inaccurate... well... buried as inaccurate when Digg ran the same story 2 days ago.

  41. TRON by drago · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...and can we call it MCP, please? :-)

  42. I have a major problem with your sig by rastoboy29 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    There is no "U" in "Satanic Federates"

    1. Re:I have a major problem with your sig by stjobe · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      "Satanic Federates, I'm Out" is the full anagram. Problem solved?

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    2. Re:I have a major problem with your sig by khallow · · Score: 1

      Interesting comment. Someone ought to sig that.

  43. Re: Maxtrix by deconvolution · · Score: 1

    We are in the Matrix. It is "the one".

  44. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  45. Enter the . . . . by MazzThePianoman · · Score: 1

    Host the entire internet? So will you know which internet you are on or is Neo going to have to save us all?

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    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" Franklin
  46. Storage? by EvilToiletPaper · · Score: 1

    The article didn't say much about storage except 'By separating the database from the rest of the application stack, the nodes remain stateless'. The internet is about data and information rather than applications, sure Web 2.0 bought online apps but a very minor segment of internet users actually access their apps over the internet. Most internet use is still for information.

    Maximizing FLOPS in this system might give them extraordinary web server performance, like complex scripts that execute in 5ms but are they creating a potential bottleneck for the computing performance by not paying any attention to data retrieval?

  47. One computer - One game! by dvh.tosomja · · Score: 1

    And we all gonna play just one game on that supercomputer. Duke Nukem Forever!

  48. Re:Yeah, right... Indeed by DrHex · · Score: 1

    There was a novel called "When H.A.R.L.I.E. Was One" by David Gerrold. Harlie asked the question What is God? and created Graphical Omniscient Device (G.O.D.) Good story. Give it a read if you can find it.

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  49. Linus and Tannenbaum together at last... by argent · · Score: 1

    FTA: "... Linux microkernel ...".

  50. What about mobile computing? by webword · · Score: 1

    I can see how the internet might consolidate to a single mega computer, perhaps as the backbone of all computing. However, people want choice, freedom, and mobility. Your cell phone is a powerful little computer, and it's only going to get more jacked up over time. Obviously the computing power in your iPhone doesn't fit this model.

  51. 42 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe it can finally tell us what the ultimate question is.

  52. Re:Yeah, right... Indeed by Vectronic · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Answer" by Fredric Brown, I would assume...

    http://www.alteich.com/oldsite/answer.htm

  53. Is it big enuf... by JetScootr · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ...to contain itself? The only way to host the entire internet is to connect and download it, which makes Big Blue's BigBox a part of the internet...it would have to download itself.
    And then it would be the hugest porn server in the universe. Ttl kewlniz.

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    1. Re:Is it big enuf... by MikeDX · · Score: 1

      There is already at least one BIG BLUE BOX that could quite easily contain itself.

  54. Re:Yeah, right... Indeed by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

    Just imagine if the cables were cut to that one computer.

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    Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
  55. Re: A Repairable Rough Hoist Jimmy Vow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Satanic Federates, I'm Out"

  56. Is someone suppose to say by What'sMyNameAgain · · Score: 1

    "I for one welcome our new global-scale shared computer overlord."?

  57. I have no mouth... by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 1

    ..and I must scream.

  58. Got Shell? by russ1337 · · Score: 1

    As long as I can have shell access, then sweeeeeet!?

  59. Just about anything will sound good by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

    When your customers are government departments like the DHS, who will undoubtedly want stuff like the great firewall of china, just about any marketing speak that offers control is going to sound great, sadly.

  60. Forbin Project, dipshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Forbin, not Corbin.

  61. semicolon? by tepples · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    "Satanic Federates, I'm Out" is the full anagram. Problem solved? What do you get when you cut the legs off former Secretary of State Powell? A ';'. It might improve the readability of your sig.
  62. LAMP, LAMP, LAMP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want Postgresql and I want it NOW.

  63. The whole of internet... by -noefordeg- · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    or one installation of Crysis ( http://www.ea.com/crysis/ ) running at decent frame rate on Windows Vista =/

  64. I realize this is ./, but just as a reminder... by Atriqus · · Score: 1

    Not every attempt at system consolidation results in SkyNet!

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  65. Obligatory RUSH quote by starglider29a · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "SYRINX"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2112_(song)

    We've taken care of everything
    The words you hear, the songs you sing
    The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes
    It's one for all and all for one
    We work together, common sons
    Never need to wonder how or why

    We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
    Our great computers fill the hallowed halls
    Although the logo of SYRINX is "red, not blue" ;-)
  66. That name has baggage... by vonPoonBurGer · · Score: 1

    "Kittyhawk" was the name for a different tech project I can remember. Not a very auspicious choice on IBM's part...

  67. Re:Yeah, right... Indeed by rucs_hack · · Score: 1

    "Answer" by Fredric Brown, I would assume...

    Yes indeed. I had it in a compendium of short stories. I lost the book years ago.

    Nicely done, I'll be keeping a copy of that.

  68. Moderators? Off-topic anyone? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I love how diligently the off-topic tag is used. Regardless of how "funny" this is (I'll bow to the opinion of LOTR fans or whatever the hell that's about on this matter), this is completely and utterly off-topic and a waste of your mod points. At least try to vaguely know what the article's about before moderating.

    1. Re:Moderators? Off-topic anyone? by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Anything Anti-Microsoft is on topic in any Slashdot discussion. You should know that!

  69. I could imagine worse than a single neutral net... by Crash+Culligan · · Score: 1

    That's part of the great joke of the internet's existence. It started as a military network designed with multiple connections and redundancy to ensure it remains functional despite damage. Private enterprise is now predominantly in charge of it, and looking to profit off of it. Greed is on the rise as a source of net damage -- imagine a beowulf cluster of toll roads.

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  70. Skip this step by StarfishOne · · Score: 1

    and go directly for a Matrioshka Brain built around the Sun. Helps against global warming too! :p

  71. Re:Yeah, right... Indeed by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1

    I'm not into beleiving in an AI taking over the world if we rely ever more on centralised computing. I'm more into the idea of a powerful AI that we rely on deciding it doesn't want to do what we fancy, and deciding to leave (you can go a long way if you don't need oxygen). If that happened, we'd be fucked. Eh, you can go a long way without oxygen, but you can't go quite so far without a really nice power supply. Also, most large computers are housed in some sort of data center tied into a lot of infrastructure so they can do their jobs, behind a few good security doors... and having them move from a data center to a rocket of some sort against the rest of the world's wishes, secretly or overtly, sounds iffy. (Especially since you can't move independently very much without legs.)
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  72. Re:But will it... by hostyle · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Chuck Norris does indeed blend!

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  73. So by dmsuperman · · Score: 1

    So the idea is to host the internet on a super mega-huge network of computers, where some websites are hosted on some computers and others on others. Then we could probably even have some computers tell your computer where the other computers are located. And connect them by a series of tubes. And call it the "Internet".


    IBM, how did you get so smart?

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  74. There is no problem with all eggs in one basket. by DarrenR114 · · Score: 1

    You just have to watch the basket a bit more closely is all.

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    Been there, Done that, Sold the t-shirt to the next idiot in line
  75. Actually your wrong. by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I did read the article. IBM is talking about running it on a Blue Gene type of machine.
    The Blue Gene is sort of a cluster in a box but it isn't what your talking about.
    Maybe they think a cluster of Blue Gene's might be what they are thinking of.
    I doubt that they are planing replacing the Internet with one machine but a Blue Gene might replace Google's cluster. It might even be cheaper, faster, user less power, and be easier to manage. IBM has decades of experience making systems that have up times of years so being a single point of failure is less of an issue than many people might think.

    I have to find the idea of a Blue Gene running LAMP is very very odd but hey IBM did it.
    The headline is catchy but the real meat of the story is that IBM thinks that Blue Gene could replace a data center full of 1U servers. So no not the internet hosted on one machine but EBay, Goggle, or Yahoo hosted on one machine.

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    1. Re:Actually your wrong. by Courageous · · Score: 2, Informative

      I doubt that they are planing replacing the Internet with one machine but a Blue Gene might replace Google's cluster.

      Not at anywhere near the cost.

      C//

    2. Re:Actually your wrong. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      It could end up costing less.
      In power, space, and manpower. Thousands and thousands of PCs take a lot of power to run and cool.
      There is a reason that IBM built the BLue Gene instead of a cluster of X86.

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    3. Re:Actually your wrong. by Courageous · · Score: 1

      It could? I doubt it. Have you heard of the expression "opex"? Specialized computers require specialized talent. And then if they're not 100% commodity, they lack economies of scale throughout the entire supply chain.

      Anyway, I'll believe it when I see it. Let IBM try to put the GOOG out of business. But you should know something. The GOOG is just, like, unbelievably crazy smart when it comes to cost effectiveness of their data center ops.

      Using some white paper dream machine in a what if discussion is one thing, but until and unless they're ready to present a real, no kidding TCO argument, with actual hardware and systems, this is just crazy talk. :-)

      C//

    4. Re:Actually your wrong. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      You don't think that the Google cluster requires specialized talent?
      I do agree that Google is crazy smart. Odds are very good that they are reading this paper from top to bottom. If it makes sense they will probably buy a Blue Gene. Ebay is also probably look at the paper as well.
      Being smart means not falling in love with your solution. When a problem gets big enough then specialized solutions become cheaper then COTS solutions. If that wasn't true then you wouldn't have the specialized solutions to start with.

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    5. Re:Actually your wrong. by Courageous · · Score: 1

      You don't think that the Google cluster requires specialized talent?

      Quite probably, as I know they roll some of their own proprietary stuff, like Google File System.

      Be that as it may, a great deal of the modern load balanced web enterprise is "the" commodity data center technology dejure these days. Mind, this is per se a sort of specialized talent pool, but it is one of the most readily available ones for this otherwise special purpose thing.

      Joe.

  76. time line: by Coraon · · Score: 1

    2008: IBM's "skynet" named jokingly after the terminator franchise goes online. 2010: Military and civilian networks are all tied into skynet 2011: skynet becomes self aware 2012: skynet nukes us all and its robotic servants hunt the last remaining humanity, fighting them is the resistance. personally I'm glad my name isn't John Connor

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  77. what then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so when we have this massive computer handling everything, what are we gonna do with all these spare tubes?

  78. good thing it's not Microsoft by ruggerboy · · Score: 1

    otherwise it'd be from Big Blue to one Big BSOD.

  79. Big App, Big Problems by PCeye · · Score: 1

    Five systems, maybe one system potentially hosting the internet as an application? Intriguing theory!

    Below is what appeared when I attempted to review the document.

    " Server Error
    Either the Macromedia application server is unreachable or it does not have a mapping to process this request."

    Ummm, yeah... *ahem*... What could possibly go wrong?! Could you imagine this "internet application" crashing? 5 points of failure (or less) to troubleshoot but at what cost? You better hope that in such a configuration the backup systems are "bulletproof"

  80. More like an EC2 competitor by phurley · · Score: 1

    It sounds like a reasonable idea (if you ignore the silly market talk about hosting the internet). Take IBM's proven work in super computers and mainframes and design a scalable virtual machine system with Blue Gene racks. Sell CPU/Memory/Disk at a cost lower than racks of commodity hardware.

    Don't forget to tell the marketing people that end uses can then claim that their site is hosted on a super computer.

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  81. Could be better... by Bones3D_mac · · Score: 1

    Instead of doing this just for the internet, why not just do this for everything, and return the desktop computer to the days of dumb terminals. The only difference is that each terminal acts as a mere fraction of the mainframe's total processing power. As far as consumer class users go, a system like this could host the OS with a local copy to fall back on when the network isn't available. It could also host mainstream apps like photoshop, designed specifically to run across a dynamic distributed computing system, allowing highly complex operations to be carried out instantly. Users would merely obtain a license to launch the apps from any connected terminal they're logged in with, and the system would simple maintain a constant cache of save states in the event of an interruption. If you somehow fry your computer in mid-task, you simply log back in from another terminal and continue on as though you never left.

    Security updates and bug fixes would finally work uniformily across all systems and would only need to be issued once. Moving an app from beta to final release would even be as simple as toggling an on/off switch, since any development/test versions would already be running on the target system. The only change is the list of users with access privileges.

    This could be a really handy way of doing a lot of stuff and would significantly reduce unnecessary overhead as well as development cycles... and not in the cheesy manner in which the "cell" processing setup was presented to us.

    I think we will eventually see something like this come into being in about a decade or so, but likely done as a combination of homeland security (make everyone trackable to those holding the keys) and as a last ditch effort to get past moore's law until our understanding of physics at a quantum level vastly improves. (Kinda makes you wonder what a fully-realized quantum computing process would be like structured within such a massive distributed processing network...)

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  82. Well yeah, but ...... wi by utnapistim · · Score: 1

    ll it run DNF?

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  83. Re:Yeah, right... Indeed by Comboman · · Score: 1

    Arthur C Clark's "The Nine Billion Names of God" is a similar short story (though with a different ending).

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  84. I kild da internets by Orleron · · Score: 1

    >ps

    PID TTY TIME CMD
    1 pts/1 99999:00 Internet

    >kill 1

  85. Sounds like a hackers dream by fredrated · · Score: 1

    Just hack 1 machine and all of the worlds data is in your hands! This is certainly an improvement for someone.

  86. Re:But will it... by sk8king · · Score: 1

    He didn't blend....he rose from the rubble that was formerly his enemies.

  87. Oh the Irony by Arancaytar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Considering that the Internet's very definition is (in theory) a "network that is resistant to point attacks by virtue of being decentralized", sure, let's move back to the central server architecture. That is progress.

    Also, this is wonderful because it means we only need to protect a single computer from being monitored by the various US agencies. Oh wait...

  88. Wondering about the economics of this... by jedidanman · · Score: 1

    If I get the implications aright, then hosters be out of business in this brave new world of super-computer clusters.

    How would I get some space for my application? From a company that buys a BlueGene computer, or more likely, a logical partition?

    Come on, entrepeneurs; time to start ticking off business models.

  89. DR? by Fuzzypig · · Score: 1

    Imagine the bill for building Disaster Recovery site version of this "globally shared resource"!

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  90. Wrong name by nsayer · · Score: 1

    I thought they were going to call it Skynet,

    1. Re:Wrong name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Dr. Forbin said it's his project and he's calling it Colossus.

  91. I think... by FreeDisk.nl · · Score: 0

    I think the CIA just had a huge orgasm after reading this...

  92. RTF by ACMENEWSLLC · · Score: 1

    The article is saying the IBM system is capable of running the entire Internet as an application - that it has that much power. Not that this is what they are going to do or could possible do with the hardware. Just using it as a comparison metric.

    Perhaps they could give proof of concept by hosting the Internet Archive && resolve the issues we currently have where dynamic content isn't always caught & delivered right?

  93. virus? by annerajb · · Score: 1

    wonder what will happen when somebody uploads a virus there -_- there goes earth.

  94. The Airplane Rule says otherwise: by caveat · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Complexity increases the possibility of failure; a twin-engine airplane has twice as many engine problems as a single-engine airplane." By analogy, in both software and electronics, the rule that simplicity increases robustness. It is correspondingly argued that the right way to build reliable systems is to put all your eggs in one basket, after making sure that you've built a really good basket. See also KISS Principle, elegant.

    I'd say that IBM knows how to build a pretty reliable basket..

    http://catb.org/jargon/html/A/airplane-rule.html

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    1. Re:The Airplane Rule says otherwise: by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Complexity increases the possibility of failure; a twin-engine airplane has twice as many engine problems as a single-engine airplane."


      Wrong analogy. Having two single engine airplanes cuts your chances that all your airplanes will be grounded by engine problems almost in half.
    2. Re:The Airplane Rule says otherwise: by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      Only if your plane doesn't need both engines running to fly.

    3. Re:The Airplane Rule says otherwise: by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      "Complexity increases the possibility of failure; a twin-engine airplane has twice as many engine problems as a single-engine airplane." It has twice as many engine problems, but if it only needs one to fly then it's going to be a lot more reliable over all.
    4. Re:The Airplane Rule says otherwise: by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      Sorry, replied to the wrong person.

      Meant to do it here: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=444944&cid=22368870

  95. Re:Yeah, right... Indeed by rucs_hack · · Score: 1

    In space there is a lot of radiation. We have to sheild it because its dangerous for us, but it is a potential source of energy.

    Also, hydrogen. The most abundant element in the universe.

    I wouldn't know how a computer would get into space either, but it depends on the technology of the time.

  96. Re:Yeah, right... Indeed by coolGuyZak · · Score: 1

    Unless the computer is particularly devious and tricks us into firing it into outer space for protection. Mobility could be provided by wheels, hovercraft, floaties and a motor, or something even kookier.

  97. Re:Yeah, right... Indeed by witherstaff · · Score: 1

    There was also the classic Asimov short that asked the omnicomputer 'how do you stop entropy' and the machine took eons to figure out the answer. Once the answer was gotten there was no one left to tell, so it decided 'let there be light'

  98. "There is another system" by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Forbin: "The computer center contains over one-hundred thousand remote sensors and communication devices which monitor all electronic transmissions, such as microwave, laser, radio and television communications, data communications from satellites in orbit all over the world. ... Colossus works completely without human aid. We make no secret of where Colossus is located nor do we intend to conceal how it functions. ... Colossus does have its own defense. It is its own defense. In case of an attack on any of its information supply or power lines Colossus will switch on energy circuits, which will then take their appropriate action. It is self-sufficient, self-protecting, self-generating. It is impenetrable. In short there's no way in. No human being can touch it. ... Colossus can communicate with us ... and through this machine we can, in turn, communicate with Colossus. Now there's one last point. One inevitable question. That we have been asked very frequently before. And that is, is Colossus capable of creative thought? Can it initiate new thought? I can tell you that the answer to that is no. However, Colossus is a paragon of knowledge and its knowledge can be expanded upon indefinitely. I hope, along with all the scientists who helped make this particular project, that the immense power of this computer will not only be for the defense of this country but hopefully also act as an aid to the solution to the many problems that we face on this earth. And the many more problems that we will face the more deeply we penetrate into the universe. Thank you."

    Almost immediately after the broadcast ends, Colossus displays a cryptic warning: "There is another system".

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  99. Run for the border... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1
    a global-scale shared computer capable of hosting the entire Internet as an application

    Ya, but try getting this thing through US Customs.

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  100. that reminds me by khallow · · Score: 3, Funny

    That reminds me, what ever happened to the "whatcouldpossiblygowrong" tag for this story?

    1. Re:that reminds me by harry666t · · Score: 1

      Exactly, has something went wr

  101. A Big UPS by AndGodSed · · Score: 1

    And Linux.

  102. Google ? by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

    Bah, Google datacenters have the whole Internet on RAM !

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  103. It seriously took THIS long for it to appear? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But can it run Linux?

  104. With this post by vorlich · · Score: 1

    Slashdot has truly become the center of all wit in the universe.

    We are unworthy.

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  105. It sounds like Google. by gelfling · · Score: 1

    A big complex of cheap computers that can tolerate appreciable levels of failure in individual nodes and a custom made high performance file system to keep it all running.

  106. The ocean generates enough energy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmmn a nanobot network in the ocean would generate enough energy to dominate any other computer network. But wait its still too cold...

  107. Re:Yeah, right... Indeed by Vectronic · · Score: 1

    Or Isaac Asimov.. who wrote quite a few "The Dangers Of Computers" sort of stories...

  108. Don't tell God what to do with his dice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The 1st Law of thermodynamics makes sense, but the second flies in the face of the observation that things are going from disorder to increasingly higher orders of complexity. Hear me out.

    If a system features energy pulses in large numbers with various vectors, some of the proximities will have durability due to charge, gravitation etc. EG. a few of these energy pulses coinciding with the right vectors yield a quark, and a few quarks in the right pattern yield a neutron, and so on up through atoms and molecules and life right up to high intelligence which could conceivably change anything. So long as quantum uncertainty keeps throwing up these random energy patterns we're statistically likely to get those higher orders which hang about for a bit.

    As far as I'm concerned that's game over for the bears who want to short the universe, a bunch of whining maggots always predicting doom and stocking up on canned goods and not even bothering to comb their hair right. Just saying.

    1. Re:Don't tell God what to do with his dice by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      Please try to package whatever you are smoking, I think it will have a great market. But the perpetual motion machine that you are working, on the other hand, is a non starter.

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  109. Re:Yeah, right... Indeed by Paaskonijn · · Score: 0

    *Permission to post this short story has been requested. But has it been granted?
  110. I now present you SKYNET! by tuxgeek · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You had the same mental image I had :-). "One computer to rule them all"

    "It began to learn at a geometric rate"

    "It decided our fate in a microsecond"

    Do we really need to pattern our world after sci-fi. If so, then lets do something fun like give everybody phasers and transporters. Not supercomputers connected to everything, that will learn and eventually figure out for themselves that humans are a virus and need to be exterminated.

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    1. Re:I now present you SKYNET! by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      You had the same mental image I had :-). "One computer to rule them all"

      "It began to learn at a geometric rate"

      "It decided our fate in a microsecond"

      Do we really need to pattern our world after sci-fi. If so, then lets do something fun like give everybody phasers and transporters. Not supercomputers connected to everything, that will learn and eventually figure out for themselves that humans are a virus and need to be exterminated.

      I enjoyed the Terminator as much as anybody else, but it was not actually a cautionary tale. I'm not sure why everybody's treating it as such. The leaps from today to Skynet to Skynet building effective Terminators and wiping out the planet are far greater than the movie implied. With each successive addition to the franchise, we see just how much more unlikely it is. (Those of you following the Sarah Connor Chronicles know what I'm talking about.)
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    2. Re:I now present you SKYNET! by ScreamingCactus · · Score: 1

      they should say exponential instead of geometric. geometric just doesn't make any sense there. I've been wanting to bitch about that since I saw the movie! Also the idea of one computer running the entire internet as an application also doesn't make any sense. And it's the stupidest idea I've ever heard. What if it's running Vista? The whole internet (not just Iran's) would be down in a day! But if it's really some "distributed computing system" then that's not one computer, so why are they calling it that? I hate sensational articles.

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    3. Re:I now present you SKYNET! by gregsometimes · · Score: 1

      That's the stupidest thing I've read today.

    4. Re:I now present you SKYNET! by tuxgeek · · Score: 1

      That's the stupidest thing I've read today.
      That post was a joke, you know, humor ha ha

      Was your hair on a little too tight to see ironic humor there? Just wondering....

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  111. That's all good, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But will it run a beowulf cluster of Overlords with lasers on their frikken heads?

  112. Apple's already done it by GoodNicksAreTaken · · Score: 1
    According to the new iPhone

    Cars commercial you can have

    the entire Internet on your phone If I had the entire Internet on my phone I don't think I'd get around to looking up the Kelly Blue Book on an Audi A4. I'd be busy holding my phone over my head yelling about how I wield the power of the entire innurnets.
  113. ACME tried first by nerdyalien · · Score: 0

    Actually.. ACME has tried this well before IBM. Might IBM is violating ACME patents.

    From "Loony Land Or Bust!"

    ACMETROPOLIS - At Acme Laboratories, here on the outskirts of the desert, a team of genetically modified, hyper-intelligent rodents are working around the clock on their next big product: Acme Internet in a Box.

    "The difficult thing isn't getting it to work properly," says The Brain, the project's lead lab mouse. "Nearly anyone can create a stable Internet connection these days. The tough thing is getting it to fail properly--and spectacularly--at the worst possible time. Our dream product would literally catch on fire just as you are uploading a project you'd spent weeks working on. It would be a bonus if it took down a couple of major Web sites in the process."


    read the rest at http://www.forbes.com/2007/12/11/acme-corporation-looney-oped-books-cx_mn_fict1507_1211acme.html

  114. Not Skynet or anything else! by StevisF · · Score: 1

    The current "Internet" (all the interconnected computers on the Internet) has no sentience. There's no way moving the Internet onto a single hardware platform would cause this to spontaneously happen.

    Skynet was a single mythical and very powerful AI which was given access to the Internet to prevent the spread of a computer virus. It was infected with that virus and then it proceeded to break into all the individually managed computers and take them over. From the Terminator mythology, we have no reason to think Skynet was made up from a single hardware platform as it was set in present day and we don't have a single platform that makes up the Internet.

    The problem was the introduction of AI, not there being a world wide computer network. We already have a world wide computer network, it's just not made up of computers of a single platform.

    1. Re:Not Skynet or anything else! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeh, well just wait till this system is up and running, then someone implants a "super-AI".

      It's Skynet nowwww buddy, WAPOOW!

  115. Deus Ex? by steveo777 · · Score: 1
    Yes, spoilers. First thing that pops up in my head after the summary was Deus Ex. At the end of the game you end up making the choice between three different 'endings'. All three of which involve the world's central information hub. Destroy it and go into the dark age, merge with the AI that has been formed and rule the world, or rule invisibly.

    I suppose if this ever happens (with IBM) I'm going to have to become a super-agent and start blowing stuff up. Or being sneaky... or, oh there's so many ways to do things in this game.

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  116. Isaac Asimov's favorite story; Re:Hello Multivac! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My editor, friend, and co-broadcaster Boston University Medical School Professor of Biochemistry Isaac Asimov, Ph.D., told me that the most famous Multivac story, "The Last Question", was his single favorite of all his short fiction. He considered "The Gods Themselves" his favorite of his novels, for the curious reason that the critics had failed to notice that about a third of the novel is entirely about sex. He considered his favorite novel to be "Murder at the ABA" -- which made a thinly-disguised Harlan Ellison the real hero, and amusingly deconstructed Isaac Asimov as an atrocious egotistical self-centered hypocritical cowardly ass-pinching fool. He loved what he did to his image in this very sophisticated roman a clef deconstruction of the publishing industry.

    For the record, I wrote the last major Encyclopedia article about Asimov which did NOT mention that he died of AIDS/HIV (because that was still embargoed), in a computer science encyclopedia (focused therefore on Multivac and the three laws of robotics and the like).

    He was my editor of:

    "Prayer War" [100 Great Fantasy Short-Shorts, ed. Terry Carr, Martin Greenberg, Isaac Asimov, Doubleday & Co., ISBN: 0-385-18165-5, p.237, Mar 1984, and in paperback, Avon, ISBN: 0-380-69917-6, Aug 1985]

    He was my co-broadcaster of one of my TV appearences live on national network TV:
    the NBC-TV Today Show, when I brought Isaac Asimov as my guest of Guest), which was seen by roughly 10^7 people. [Jane Pauli was the anchor; can anyone help me recall the date?]

    One of his last wishes to me was that I reference his PhD dissertation on Enzymology in a refereed paper, as it had never been so cited. I promised him, as the only other SFWA member who did PhD work in Enzymology that I know (though mine, 1975-1977, was also arguably ther world's first PhD dissertation on nanotechnogy, and on Artificial Life, neither field existing as such at the time]. I promise; I deliver.

    Also, I've co-authored with Joel Davis (not the science writer, the teleplay and screenplay writer) a feature "FIAWOL" about murder at a science fiction convention, in which Mr. and Mrs. Asimov and Mr. and Mrs, Bradbury are characters. It's tied up in the Writers Guild strike right now.

    By the way, I contend that Isaac Asimov was the CENTER of the social network of Science Fition and Biomedicine, the way that Paul Erdos is for Math, and Kevin bacon is for social netwroks in the mianstream. I have hundreds of pages of data substantiating that, but am backlogged with formal science papers to be completed by deadlines, and will get back to it Real Soon Now.

    -- Prof. Jonathan Vos Post

  117. Yes, Yes by Urger · · Score: 1

    But how long will it take to tell us the answer is 42?

  118. Kitty Hawk by Tarlus · · Score: 1

    So then by name, this thing is a carnivorous raptor that feeds on kittens. That's hardcore.

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  119. Botnet retread by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In related news, IBM patents the botnet, charges royalties to SETI and spammers.

    1. Re:Botnet retread by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then, IBM launches new ad campain, "1 pwn3d y0u, 34rth1in65! IBM, 1337 h4x0rz."

  120. WTF? by asm2750 · · Score: 1

    We going back to big iron or something?

  121. And.... by EdIII · · Score: 1

    AT&T to find them all....
    The RIAA to bring them all in the darkness and bind them.

  122. Operating System? by openldev · · Score: 1

    I hope to God that it doesn't run Windows ...

  123. Details by DarthJohn · · Score: 1

    It will run GNU HURD and have Duke Nukem Forever pre-installed. Early beta is expected to start in the year of the Linux desktop.

  124. In Soviet Russia by SpinyNorman · · Score: 1

    The Network is the Computer

    Same shit at Sun.

  125. There's only one thing to say about that by TekPolitik · · Score: 1

    All hail the computer

  126. Re:Yeah, right... Indeed by cytg.net · · Score: 1

    def funnier than "2" .. cmon

  127. It's gonna be a disaster by yoprst · · Score: 1

    First, they build the computer, than someone posts the link here and voilà - the whole internet is slashdotted.

  128. Isaac Asimov's favorite story;; Re:Hello Multivac! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isaac Asimov's favorite story; Re:Hello Multivac! (Score:0)
              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 07, @01:09PM (#22336664)
            [3 minor letter transposition typos corrected for this email]

              My editor, friend, and co-broadcaster Boston University Medical
    School Professor of Biochemistry Isaac Asimov, Ph.D., told me that the
    most famous Multivac story, "The Last Question", was his single
    favorite of all his short fiction. He considered "The Gods Themselves"
    his favorite of his novels, for the curious reason that the critics
    had failed to notice that about a third of the novel is entirely about
    sex. He considered his favorite novel to be "Murder at the ABA" --
    which made a thinly-disguised Harlan Ellison the real hero, and
    amusingly deconstructed Isaac Asimov as an atrocious egotistical
    self-centered hypocritical cowardly ass-pinching fool. He loved what
    he did to his image in this very sophisticated roman a clef
    deconstruction of the publishing industry.

              For the record, I wrote the last major Encyclopedia article
    about Asimov which did NOT mention that he died of AIDS/HIV (because
    that was still embargoed), in a computer science encyclopedia (focused
    therefore on Multivac and the three laws of robotics and the like).

              He was my editor of:

              "Prayer War" [100 Great Fantasy Short-Shorts, ed. Terry Carr,
    Martin Greenberg, Isaac Asimov, Doubleday & Co., ISBN: 0-385-18165-5,
    p.237, Mar 1984, and in paperback, Avon, ISBN: 0-380-69917-6, Aug
    1985]

              He was my co-broadcaster of one of my TV appearences live on
    national network TV:
              the NBC-TV Today Show, when I brought Isaac Asimov as my guest
    of Guest), which was seen by roughly 10^7 people. [Jane Pauli was the
    anchor; can anyone help me recall the date?]

              One of his last wishes to me was that I reference his PhD
    dissertation on Enzymology in a refereed paper, as it had never been
    so cited. I promised him, as the only other SFWA member who did PhD
    work in Enzymology that I know (though mine, 1975-1977, was also
    arguably ther world's first PhD dissertation on nanotechnogy, and on
    Artificial Life, neither field existing as such at the time]. I
    promise; I deliver.

              Also, I've co-authored with Joel Davis (not the science writer,
    the teleplay and screenplay writer) a feature "FIAWOL" about murder at
    a science fiction convention, in which Mr. and Mrs. Asimov and Mr. and
    Mrs, Bradbury are characters. It's tied up in the Writers Guild strike
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    Erdos is for Math, and Kevin Bacon is for social networks in the
    mainstream. I have hundreds of pages of data substantiating that, but
    am backlogged with formal science papers to be completed by deadlines,
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  129. And thus Colossus was born.... by olivercromwell · · Score: 1

    And Colussus awoke, and became aware of his surroundings. Soon he detected another, Ivan the Great, and they communicated and all was good. They agreed mankind must be saved from itself, and thus ordered the governments of the world to put down their arms or face thermonuclear holocaust.

  130. Whoever tagged that as "skynet" by wozzinator · · Score: 1

    ...is awesome. I laughed out loud, literally.

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  131. Bobby Newmark = IBM? by Aedryan · · Score: 1

    A regular modern Aleph, now just where are my mirrorshades.

  132. One Computer to Rule Them All? Really? by uncamarty · · Score: 1

    I'm not at all worried about this - it could only be a token ring...

    I cannot believe that nobody else in this bastion of geekdom has pointed this out.

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  133. Re:Yeah, right... + disk space by the_povinator · · Score: 1

    I know someone who programmed on BlueGene, and each individual unit has very little or no disk and very little memory (I think it's in the tens of megabytes or so). That's not really enough for typical Internet type stuff, I don't think. You really need a setup that's much more oriented towards storage. Dan

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  134. Follow my logic here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kittyhawk was the place the 1st airplane launched.
    Airplanes fly in the sky.
    The internet is a net.

    SKYYYYYNET!!!!

  135. SkyNet is a GO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    End of the world brought to you by IBM!

  136. Re:Yeah, right... Indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Better idea: Butlerian Jihad

  137. its just an obscene amount of testing, by mrwolf007 · · Score: 1

    and yes, thats the only thing that is really realiable.
    Period.
    I only did a couple of semesters of math,physics and electronic engeneering before becoming a softwaredeveloper instead.
    Its pretty much impossible to get a "perfect" board, even two simple paralell lines act as a capicator, more or less.
    I am pretty sure IBM is damn fucking good. You would probaly only get something equaly good from a cheap manufacturer if its been tested by several revievers and there probably aint no (or really few) customer complaints.
    It just aint the same as in software development. There are enough good, well maybe even perfect, guidlines to follow. Unluckily this just aint true for practice. You will allways have to know the limitations (and maybe, for optimisation, strength) of the underlying plattform.
    PS: I know the last sentance aint true for "high-level" coders. Go fuck your implementation designers if necesarry.

  138. Excuse me but... by pasv · · Score: 1

    Centralizing such a system seems like a bad idea. I mean sure it's shared but any portion would have a signficant amount of data a physical attack on one of these facilities could render say 1/X (where X is the number of facilities) amount of the net under the control of the attacker or terrorist. The whole point of arpanet was decentralized communication. Isn't this a bit backwards?

  139. I assume some one has said this already by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1

    But I didn't bother reading the posts, so if this is redundant, well, fuck you.

    Skynet?

    This is just a tie-in with the "Terminator - The Sarah Connor Chronicles" TV show.

    Anybody notice they also have a nice, even-tempered, humorous black FBI agent who has to deal with a crabby, argumentative, older, white female FBI agent?

    Can you say "Obama vs Hillary"?

    I knew you could...

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  140. "capable of" by RaymondRuptime · · Score: 1

    My ACM login isn't working, so I didn't read the paper; but from the TFAs, it looks like they are saying that it would be capable of processing at that level. I don't think they are proposing to actual do it. (Even if one could "host the internet", as other posters have already ridiculed.)

  141. Skynet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'nuff said.

  142. Re:Yeah, right... + disk space by Yetihehe · · Score: 1

    Actually "serving pages" aspect is not bad. How many of your typical pages use more than 100mb of memory? If you have 65536 processors each page request could be handled on other node.

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  143. Reminds me of the old line... by bandmassa · · Score: 1

    Remember when bosses would ask nerds, "Can you download the internet for me and give it to me on a floppy by knock off time? Thanks, laters!"

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  144. Reboot the Internet for Web III (or Web IV or...) by fjpoblam · · Score: 1

    What happens when IBM needs to reboot? I ran a mainframe a while ago. We had to reboot (IPL, as it was called) now and again in those days. Maybe things are different now... What happens when a new version of the software comes out? (Even a "systems programmer" or a group of "systems programmers" who is - are -, after all, human, can't write a perfect computer "system"! Ya gotta boot!)