Kasparov's own standards. Especially the mistake he made that made him lose one game, as well as the way he was surprised in the opening in game 5, are examples of Kasparov playing below his very best level.
The cliche answer would be to say that Kasparov isn't as good against computers because he can't use his intimidating presence, and he has to be more careful than usual because a computer's style is a good fit to defend against Kasparov's attacks.
On the other hand, Kramnik's cliched image is the exact opposite, and he also drew a computer, so whatever:-)
Who cares that this scientist is Dutch. The exact same argument also goes for American scientists. Give them the chance to spend that $500M on whatever research they think is important, instead of giving it to NASA to desperately find something slightly scientific to do with it.
Disclaimer: I haven't read the article. This is about a newspaper article I read yesterday, that I think fits in this discussion.
In the Dutch paper "Volkskrant", there was an opinion piece by a biologist yesterday. He explained that currently, the experiments done in the Shuttle are nowhere near worth their money. The experiments done (like what's the effect of zero-gravity on species x) test no important hypotheses and the outcome is usually not published in high profile magazines.
Once in a while, every scientist working in a field that could possibly have something to do with zero gravity research gets a request for ideas for experiments. They're basically begging for things to add to shuttle science missions. He doesn't really take these things seriously, since these experiments never test anything important. The important stuff (what's the effect of long term zero grav on humans) has been pretty much covered by now.
Also, a Shuttle flight costs $500 million. You can run his institute on that for a hundred years.
So his proposal is to give the $500M to the scientific community instead, to be used for pure science, and see if the scientists themselves spend it on experiments in Shuttles. "Of course they wouldn't".
And until spammers start getting NO responses, they don't CARE how many inboxes they need to fill to get their 3)Profit!
It's even worse. Spammers make money by selling their "service" to morons who think they can make a quick buck. Even if no spam is effective, their customers don't know that.
I feel compelled to reply to this troll. Why do you have to make comments like this? There are many slashdotters who believe this and can argue quite coherently against evolutionists. I personally have not yet met a single evolutionist who _understands_ the creationist position. Especially on slashdot.
Indeed, I do not. I have never seen any evidence for Creationism. I just cannot take it seriously at all. Remember, shooting holes in "Evolution Theory" is not evidence for Creationism. It's not an either/or question, not a zero sum game. Just that some parts of evolution aren't yet understood well doesn't mean there is any evidence for Creationism.
Re:Honest comparison between Gnome and KDE?
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I have only tried Gnome once and that was only because KDE wasn't working at the time. I've used KDE since I started using Linux (and FreeBSD) and it has always worked pretty well for me. I've noticed however that Gnome seems to have a pretty good following and I'm wondering why.
I've used Gnome since I started using Linux (no, wait - I used Windowmaker on the P90. I use Gnome since I have a faster computer than that). And it has always worked pretty well for me. I've noticed however that KDE seems to have a pretty good following.
And I'm not really wondering why. I just need a few things, Gnome does them, KDE probably does as well, it doesn't matter.
What do you mean, this will be another staggering blow? They're improving their service. IRC is for chat. I don't see how sending away warez kiddies damages their network, let alone how it deals them a "staggering blow".
"The "free advertising" argument is ridiculous, absolutely doesn't hold water, and is something I'm getting tired of hearing."
So... tell me how radio works again?
Radio generally doesn't play whole albums. They play the songs that are released as singles (usually one at a time - when the new one is out, you don't hear the old one as much anymore), but if you want them all you have to buy the album. That way the advertising works.
With a fast connection, good quality mp3s of all the songs available, expensive CDs the profit of which doesn't even go to the artists - forget it.
You can say that now. But in a few years it'll be feasible and normal to just download.wav versions (losslessly compressed, of course) with exactly the same quality as the CD. Technology is going fast. HD's are cheap, broadband is coming everywhere, mp3 is going to be obsolete. Then that argument is gone. A few years, perhaps.
And about backups - I've lost more CDs to scratches than mp3s by whatever method.
Seems to me that they can stop you using their "Lego" trademark, but not from doing anything whatsoever that want to do with them. You bought them, they're yours.
I think we ought to make virus-protection code public and government funded.
That doesn't help with new viruses, like the one this story is about.
The problem is with patching. People don't install the available security patches. This problem had been known about for half a year.
And some people refuse to install Microsoft's newer service packs, because of the changed license on them, which has some pretty gross clauses in it. I think that's almost criminal behavior by MS - "yes, we fixed the fatal bug in the software we licensed to you, but to get the patch you have to agree to some new random clauses - say, give us full access to your computer".
On the other hand, if they had that full access, I think that at least their service packs would be installed, and these attacks wouldn't be so succesful.
The scariest thing is actually that this kind of damage is being done by a worm that doesn't actually do anything except spread itself (as far as I know, anyway).
Damage would be much worse if these things started cleaning hard drives after the action (yeah yeah, backups - just like all your databases always have the latest patches, right?)
Re:Communication is important...
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Wonderful! I couldn't agree more. And you even managed to avoid making a mistake in your own post:-)
Slashdot should have a -1, Spelling moderating option so that people could set it to -5 in their preferences...
Say, apple releases the OneButton Mouse Driver (TM) 1.0 under BSD licence. they then go on to develop it and release 1.3 binary-only. there's still no way they could take 1.0 away from the community. i think that's what the parent of your post meant.
Hmm. I think you're right. I'll go put a foot in my mouth then...
When you download Linux, you DO NOT OWN IT. Copyrights are ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. You only have rights to it, as granted by the owner of the material, and this is how it should be.
Read the GPL, and notice how it says nothing about how you are allowed to use it. That is because they can't, and they don't have to specify that you are allowed to use it: YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT RIGHT. If you have a copyrighted work in your possession, you are allowed to use it in any way you see fit.
Copyright only comes into play once you want to distribute the work. Showing it to an audience at a university counts as distribution. According to the view of the big companies, so does moving it to other media. But skipping parts while viewing a film - never.
(OT: Have you noticed that there are more and more threads on Slashdot that has less then 10 comments? Hmmm...)
If you have the "collapse sections" option on, you get to see all the stories that are in other sections but not officially on the front page. Those are seen by a lot fewer people (those that look at the section, and people with that option on).
Now I also use the option and I know no easy way to tell if this story is on the front page, but judging from the number of comments it probably isn't.
That's the great thing about open source: It doesn't matter.
Once something's been released to the community under an Open Source license, there's nothing Apple (or anyone else, for that matter) can do to prevent it being distributed or used by anybody.
That's simply not true. That's the whole difference between the FSF's GNU Public License and the "Open Source" movement.
If something is under the GPL, then it is as you say, if a new version is distributed it has to also be under the GPL.
But if something is under, say, the BSD license, it's Open Source, but anyone can just take it and use it in their proprietary software. Some people think this is more Free than what the GPL offers. That's just a matter of taste, imo.
What you claim isn't true, it's only true of programs under the GPL (and similar licenses).
In debian (and perhaps gentoo), it is easy to get mplayer installed,
Just for completeness, here's the Gentoo version:-)
emerge mplayer # Downloads and compiles everything and their dependencies
But of course, if Gentoo didn't already have it then you'd have to write a.ebuild file, and that's currently still over my head. The ebuild is basically a script that defines where to download packages, what the dependencies are, how it has to be compiled and installed. Once someone's made that, the rest is trivial.
In your original post, though, you seemed to equate the usefulness of his released code with the validity of his ideas.
What I wanted to get across is that since he has written a significant portion of the code, his ideas are significant too - he has more say about what should happen than people who contributed a lot less. I think this open source/free software/whatever movement should be a meritocracy.
In arguing that, I assumed that the guy I replied to, who suggested that RMS should die because his license isn't perfect and his advocacy can be quite obnoxious, did not contribute a lot himself.
Note that other people or projects who do have a lot of their own code usually just pick whatever license they happen to like and stay out of the debates. With RMS, the license came first, and then he produced the code to back it up. Therefore not arguing would be missing the point for him.
I have no idea if I'm getting any consistent point across at the moment, but whatever:-), back to work.
For the record, I also contributed next to nothing so you can ignore me, and I do happen to like the GPL and the ideas behind it.
Why can't the programmer just follow his own code and win that way, given enough time?
Because he'd probably make some errors among the billions of computations:-).
But seriously, as long as we're talking thought experiments, it should be equally possible to write down the states and connections of all Kasparov's neurons and trace the firings by hand. Given enough time, of course.
...and with the full portability of pure Java code.
As opposed to make, which is written in C, which only runs on a few platforms?
Of course, if you're writing Java, Ant will run on exactly the platforms you need it on so it's great. It's great anyway because it's just so easy to use. But portability is not an advantage it has over make.
Reminds me of the debate about converting Python to compile using autoconf/automake because it would be 'more portable'. The Python people won't do it, because Python currently runs on a lot more platforms than autoconf...
... Kasparov doesn't play solely on raw intellect. Gut instinct and that hint of irrationality creeps in.
Actually, it's all intellect, something the computer doesn't have as it can only do stupid calculations. It's rationality that creeps in. The computer has to calculate all kinds of moves, but Kasparov doesn't even have to consider them because he knows they don't make sense in this position.
Human grandmasters go heavily on pattern recognition. They have on the order of 100,000 types of positions with typical plans memorized, as well as many many tactical patterns. Given a position, they know what both sides should be trying to do. Computers can't do pattern recognition well, so they can't use that method.
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"While the quality of play was not outstanding"
Just what are we comparing this to?
Kasparov's own standards. Especially the mistake he made that made him lose one game, as well as the way he was surprised in the opening in game 5, are examples of Kasparov playing below his very best level.
The cliche answer would be to say that Kasparov isn't as good against computers because he can't use his intimidating presence, and he has to be more careful than usual because a computer's style is a good fit to defend against Kasparov's attacks.
On the other hand, Kramnik's cliched image is the exact opposite, and he also drew a computer, so whatever :-)
I'll probably get modded down for this, but...
Please mod this up. Pleeeeeease mod this up. Mod up! Mod up! up, up, up!!! (Why are you not modding this up?)
That doesn't work. The thing to say is "I'll probably get modded down for this, but..."
HTH.
Who cares that this scientist is Dutch. The exact same argument also goes for American scientists. Give them the chance to spend that $500M on whatever research they think is important, instead of giving it to NASA to desperately find something slightly scientific to do with it.
Disclaimer: I haven't read the article. This is about a newspaper article I read yesterday, that I think fits in this discussion.
In the Dutch paper "Volkskrant", there was an opinion piece by a biologist yesterday. He explained that currently, the experiments done in the Shuttle are nowhere near worth their money. The experiments done (like what's the effect of zero-gravity on species x) test no important hypotheses and the outcome is usually not published in high profile magazines.
Once in a while, every scientist working in a field that could possibly have something to do with zero gravity research gets a request for ideas for experiments. They're basically begging for things to add to shuttle science missions. He doesn't really take these things seriously, since these experiments never test anything important. The important stuff (what's the effect of long term zero grav on humans) has been pretty much covered by now.
Also, a Shuttle flight costs $500 million. You can run his institute on that for a hundred years.
So his proposal is to give the $500M to the scientific community instead, to be used for pure science, and see if the scientists themselves spend it on experiments in Shuttles. "Of course they wouldn't".
And until spammers start getting NO responses, they don't CARE how many inboxes they need to fill to get their 3)Profit!
It's even worse. Spammers make money by selling their "service" to morons who think they can make a quick buck. Even if no spam is effective, their customers don't know that.
I don't understand how this is different from a drug screening test. Most employers require it. How's that different from a background check?
You're right. They're both none of their business.
I feel compelled to reply to this troll. Why do you have to make comments like this? There are many slashdotters who believe this and can argue quite coherently against evolutionists. I personally have not yet met a single evolutionist who _understands_ the creationist position. Especially on slashdot.
Indeed, I do not. I have never seen any evidence for Creationism. I just cannot take it seriously at all. Remember, shooting holes in "Evolution Theory" is not evidence for Creationism. It's not an either/or question, not a zero sum game. Just that some parts of evolution aren't yet understood well doesn't mean there is any evidence for Creationism.
I have only tried Gnome once and that was only because KDE wasn't working at the time. I've used KDE since I started using Linux (and FreeBSD) and it has always worked pretty well for me. I've noticed however that Gnome seems to have a pretty good following and I'm wondering why.
I've used Gnome since I started using Linux (no, wait - I used Windowmaker on the P90. I use Gnome since I have a faster computer than that). And it has always worked pretty well for me. I've noticed however that KDE seems to have a pretty good following.
And I'm not really wondering why. I just need a few things, Gnome does them, KDE probably does as well, it doesn't matter.
What do you mean, this will be another staggering blow? They're improving their service. IRC is for chat. I don't see how sending away warez kiddies damages their network, let alone how it deals them a "staggering blow".
for eg, for Squirrelmail you have to use courier imap and either courier mta or qmail.
FYI, I have it running fine with Postfix as MTA. Installation was absolutely trivial on Gentoo Linux.
So... tell me how radio works again?
Radio generally doesn't play whole albums. They play the songs that are released as singles (usually one at a time - when the new one is out, you don't hear the old one as much anymore), but if you want them all you have to buy the album. That way the advertising works.
With a fast connection, good quality mp3s of all the songs available, expensive CDs the profit of which doesn't even go to the artists - forget it.
You can say that now. But in a few years it'll be feasible and normal to just download .wav versions (losslessly compressed, of course) with exactly the same quality as the CD. Technology is going fast. HD's are cheap, broadband is coming everywhere, mp3 is going to be obsolete. Then that argument is gone. A few years, perhaps.
And about backups - I've lost more CDs to scratches than mp3s by whatever method.
Seems to me that they can stop you using their "Lego" trademark, but not from doing anything whatsoever that want to do with them. You bought them, they're yours.
I think we ought to make virus-protection code public and government funded.
That doesn't help with new viruses, like the one this story is about.
The problem is with patching. People don't install the available security patches. This problem had been known about for half a year.
And some people refuse to install Microsoft's newer service packs, because of the changed license on them, which has some pretty gross clauses in it. I think that's almost criminal behavior by MS - "yes, we fixed the fatal bug in the software we licensed to you, but to get the patch you have to agree to some new random clauses - say, give us full access to your computer".
On the other hand, if they had that full access, I think that at least their service packs would be installed, and these attacks wouldn't be so succesful.
But I'll just stick with Linux, myself :-)
The scariest thing is actually that this kind of damage is being done by a worm that doesn't actually do anything except spread itself (as far as I know, anyway).
Damage would be much worse if these things started cleaning hard drives after the action (yeah yeah, backups - just like all your databases always have the latest patches, right?)
Wonderful! I couldn't agree more. And you even managed to avoid making a mistake in your own post :-)
Slashdot should have a -1, Spelling moderating option so that people could set it to -5 in their preferences...
Say, apple releases the OneButton Mouse Driver (TM) 1.0 under BSD licence. they then go on to develop it and release 1.3 binary-only. there's still no way they could take 1.0 away from the community. i think that's what the parent of your post meant.
Hmm. I think you're right. I'll go put a foot in my mouth then...
It's not 'your own media' dude.
When you download Linux, you DO NOT OWN IT. Copyrights are ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. You only have rights to it, as granted by the owner of the material, and this is how it should be.
Read the GPL, and notice how it says nothing about how you are allowed to use it. That is because they can't, and they don't have to specify that you are allowed to use it: YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT RIGHT. If you have a copyrighted work in your possession, you are allowed to use it in any way you see fit.
Copyright only comes into play once you want to distribute the work. Showing it to an audience at a university counts as distribution. According to the view of the big companies, so does moving it to other media. But skipping parts while viewing a film - never.
(OT: Have you noticed that there are more and more threads on Slashdot that has less then 10 comments? Hmmm...)
If you have the "collapse sections" option on, you get to see all the stories that are in other sections but not officially on the front page. Those are seen by a lot fewer people (those that look at the section, and people with that option on).
Now I also use the option and I know no easy way to tell if this story is on the front page, but judging from the number of comments it probably isn't.
That's the great thing about open source: It doesn't matter.
Once something's been released to the community under an Open Source license, there's nothing Apple (or anyone else, for that matter) can do to prevent it being distributed or used by anybody.
That's simply not true. That's the whole difference between the FSF's GNU Public License and the "Open Source" movement.
If something is under the GPL, then it is as you say, if a new version is distributed it has to also be under the GPL.
But if something is under, say, the BSD license, it's Open Source, but anyone can just take it and use it in their proprietary software. Some people think this is more Free than what the GPL offers. That's just a matter of taste, imo.
What you claim isn't true, it's only true of programs under the GPL (and similar licenses).
In debian (and perhaps gentoo), it is easy to get mplayer installed,
Just for completeness, here's the Gentoo version :-)
emerge mplayer # Downloads and compiles everything and their dependencies
But of course, if Gentoo didn't already have it then you'd have to write a .ebuild file, and that's currently still over my head. The ebuild is basically a script that defines where to download packages, what the dependencies are, how it has to be compiled and installed. Once someone's made that, the rest is trivial.
In your original post, though, you seemed to equate the usefulness of his released code with the validity of his ideas.
What I wanted to get across is that since he has written a significant portion of the code, his ideas are significant too - he has more say about what should happen than people who contributed a lot less. I think this open source/free software/whatever movement should be a meritocracy.
In arguing that, I assumed that the guy I replied to, who suggested that RMS should die because his license isn't perfect and his advocacy can be quite obnoxious, did not contribute a lot himself.
Note that other people or projects who do have a lot of their own code usually just pick whatever license they happen to like and stay out of the debates. With RMS, the license came first, and then he produced the code to back it up. Therefore not arguing would be missing the point for him.
I have no idea if I'm getting any consistent point across at the moment, but whatever :-), back to work.
For the record, I also contributed next to nothing so you can ignore me, and I do happen to like the GPL and the ideas behind it.
Why can't the programmer just follow his own code and win that way, given enough time?
Because he'd probably make some errors among the billions of computations :-).
But seriously, as long as we're talking thought experiments, it should be equally possible to write down the states and connections of all Kasparov's neurons and trace the firings by hand. Given enough time, of course.
As opposed to make, which is written in C, which only runs on a few platforms?
Of course, if you're writing Java, Ant will run on exactly the platforms you need it on so it's great. It's great anyway because it's just so easy to use. But portability is not an advantage it has over make.
Reminds me of the debate about converting Python to compile using autoconf/automake because it would be 'more portable'. The Python people won't do it, because Python currently runs on a lot more platforms than autoconf...
Actually, it's all intellect, something the computer doesn't have as it can only do stupid calculations. It's rationality that creeps in. The computer has to calculate all kinds of moves, but Kasparov doesn't even have to consider them because he knows they don't make sense in this position.
Human grandmasters go heavily on pattern recognition. They have on the order of 100,000 types of positions with typical plans memorized, as well as many many tactical patterns. Given a position, they know what both sides should be trying to do. Computers can't do pattern recognition well, so they can't use that method.