I think the most interesting part of the NASM lisence is the suggestion that the output code must be under some special lisence. This seems to me really bizarre. I mean, can Adobe tell me that my images must be distributed in a certain way? Can Microsoft tell me that all my text falls under certain restrictions (I shouldn't give them any ideas). How can the creators of a program restrict the use of its OUTPUT?
I guess my point would be along the lines of unfair competition. If the database were uncopyrightable, then MediaJukebox could sue CDDB for unfair competition (refusal of service unless they sign an exclusive contract). But if the database is copyrightable then CDDB could actually sue someone who tried to get the information. This IS an issue with how much protection we give to database companies.
See now this is the problem with allowing a company to 'copyright' a database which contains otherwise uncopyrightably data. The fact that the president's name is Bill Clinton is obviously public domain knowledge, but if I put his name (and, say, all the other presidents' names) in a database, all of a sudden it's copyrightable?
In the same way, cddb is full of information which is not only public domain but which was largely submitted by users of the system anyway! I know I've submitted CD track information to cddb before.
How have lobbyists been/so/ successful in convincing lawmakers that everything needs to be protected by copyright?
MyopicProwls
net.general
uses for this new medium
Thu Nov 11 22:15:01 1981
wouldn't it be great if we could use this new medium for advertisers to send us needless, unwanted messages about their products? Perhaps we could get advertisements for where to find pornography even! Think of the possibilities!
I was in a similar class this past (summer) term. We were given the opportunity to code for Linux/g++ or Mac/CodeWarrior. If it didn't compile for one of those we were hosed. No problem. I'd never used g++ before but someone helped teach me a simple command line to drive it and it's by far my favorite compiler now.
Anyway, there are some actual syntax problems. In my class, for instance, the problem (simulate memory caching) was most properly solved with arrays if instances of class objects. No problem: under g++ syntax similar to the following worked:
array_name[index](init_params);
But when the people dealing with Macs in the adjacent computer lab tried that syntax, CodeWarrior barfed all over them and they had to set up a lame, complicated loop. Go g++!
So even though there ought to be some ANSII standard c++ which is implemented perfectly in every compiler, the truth is that the language does vary from compiler to compiler. Think if I had coded in g++, but it was supposed to compile for CodeWarrior/Mac!
Regardless, I question any computer science department which makes students code for Windows. If you're a newbie, you should be using a Mac (easier) and if you know half a crap about computers, you ought to be using Linux or something as powerful. Windows is a useless platform.
IE for the Macintosh, version 5.0, is the only browser in existence that is fully CSS1 compliant. Even v.5.5 for Windows isn't fully compliant. It almost never crashes my machine and is faster, cleaner, and more a joy to use than any version of Netscape (or iCab, which isn't even a complete product yet) has ever been.
Now, I hate Microsoft. I truly, truly, believe that IE5 for Mac is the ONLY worthwhile product they have ever produced. Ever. My school gives it's freshmen free copies of Office and I don't even have it installed, instead preferring AppleWorks. MS makes lame products. Period. Exception: IE5Mac.
Uh... you're missing hte point: our overall sentiment is that people should have rights, not corporations and not governments; and that people should have protections, not corporations and not governments.
SPAM: I'm a person. They're a corporation. I have free speech, they don't.
MUSIC: I don't think many of us say music should have NO protections (because it's PEOPLE with RIGHTS making the MUSIC) but when CORPORATIONS use COPYRIGHTS to maintain MONOPOLIES against the PEOPLE, that's wrong.
Look. A couple years ago Apple was in bad shape. There were bankruptsy rumors and takeover rumors. At the time, they were plausable. Barely.
Since then Apple has seen an amazing rebirth and return to amazing profitability. Even in the dark days this sort of crap was barely believable, but now days it is just absurd.
Why the hell would Disney want Apple? Disney I could see buying Pixar, but Apple? And why would Apple want Disney?
This just doesn't make any sense. I guess I'd chastize Slashdot for giving it enough credence to post at all.
With the current market shakiness, transmeta's technology would be a steal for Intel. Intel should just pull a Microsoft and buy the competition instead of conpeting on technological grounds.
I was confused. I thought the GPL required derivitive works to be GPL'd as well. I went and checked. From http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html, section 2 part b:
You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License.
So this is a non-issue. Your employer is required to GPL the changes, no? I mean, am I missing the issue here?
Hey, if I were to, say, post a story about how great it is to be a geek, and someone decided to post it on Slashdot, then my site would be totally ruined by the zillions of hits I'd get. That's a DoS attack if I've ever heard of one.
I'm running Mac OS 8.6 on a grap iMac. And N6 didn't work. I mean, it DIDN'T WORK at all. It would launch and all, but if I tried to view a webpage (such as slashdot, netscape.com, or my own web page) it wouldn't work. A tiny piece of the html would be downloaded and sometimes partially rendered but never a whole page. not even close.
Plus pressing command-Q to quit the program didn't work. Hmmm.
Plus you couldn't change any preferences because the "Okay" button didn't do anything when pressed.
Plus most of the chrome and controls left pixel crumbs all over the place.
So I'm sorry to be a dissenting opinion, but shouldn't the web browser do something like, oh I don't know, RENDER HTML PAGES? Shouldn't that be a minimum standard of a web browser?
I think that's really interesting. I thought that MS would settle for sure because the judge will probably be pretty harsh.
Also, no way will Windows be open sourced, nor would that be so wonderful. Why would anyone want the Windows code? Is it really swell code? No. Programmers would benefit from the full API but the code wouldn't do too much. Think about it: no one is going to abandon Linux for {cough} Windows.
As far as a structural remedy, wouldn't separating Windows from Office just create TWO monopolies? Is that a great thing? I don't see an easy solution here.
iCab (for Macs) has all sorts of great image and cookie filtration. First of all, the feature we all want here (accept cookies only for the html page you are currently viewing) is built in, along with some other great options.
My favorite of these is "Accept cookies, but don't return them".
This is such poppycock. Who could believe this? How many lame attempts at publicity have we seen here? Does anyone remember the "Open Source Company" that tried to sell pornography in a "new way" by telling everyone their every tiny move? Lame. And this is worse.
Furthermore, that really is the worst website design I've ever seen, and I've seen some pretty bad website design (who hasn't). -myopic prowls
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MyopicProwls
Ha ha ha! We're unstoppable!
MyopicProwls
MyopicProwls
In the same way, cddb is full of information which is not only public domain but which was largely submitted by users of the system anyway! I know I've submitted CD track information to cddb before.
How have lobbyists been /so/ successful in convincing lawmakers that everything needs to be protected by copyright?
MyopicProwls
net.general
uses for this new medium
Thu Nov 11 22:15:01 1981
wouldn't it be great if we could use this new medium for advertisers to send us needless, unwanted messages about their products? Perhaps we could get advertisements for where to find pornography even! Think of the possibilities!
MyopicProwls
Anyway, there are some actual syntax problems. In my class, for instance, the problem (simulate memory caching) was most properly solved with arrays if instances of class objects. No problem: under g++ syntax similar to the following worked:
array_name[index](init_params);
But when the people dealing with Macs in the adjacent computer lab tried that syntax, CodeWarrior barfed all over them and they had to set up a lame, complicated loop. Go g++!
So even though there ought to be some ANSII standard c++ which is implemented perfectly in every compiler, the truth is that the language does vary from compiler to compiler. Think if I had coded in g++, but it was supposed to compile for CodeWarrior/Mac!
Regardless, I question any computer science department which makes students code for Windows. If you're a newbie, you should be using a Mac (easier) and if you know half a crap about computers, you ought to be using Linux or something as powerful. Windows is a useless platform.
peace
MyopicProwls
Now, I hate Microsoft. I truly, truly, believe that IE5 for Mac is the ONLY worthwhile product they have ever produced. Ever. My school gives it's freshmen free copies of Office and I don't even have it installed, instead preferring AppleWorks. MS makes lame products. Period. Exception: IE5Mac.
-myopic
SPAM: I'm a person. They're a corporation. I have free speech, they don't.
MUSIC: I don't think many of us say music should have NO protections (because it's PEOPLE with RIGHTS making the MUSIC) but when CORPORATIONS use COPYRIGHTS to maintain MONOPOLIES against the PEOPLE, that's wrong.
I don't see that as lopsided.
Since then Apple has seen an amazing rebirth and return to amazing profitability. Even in the dark days this sort of crap was barely believable, but now days it is just absurd.
Why the hell would Disney want Apple? Disney I could see buying Pixar, but Apple? And why would Apple want Disney?
This just doesn't make any sense. I guess I'd chastize Slashdot for giving it enough credence to post at all.
With the current market shakiness, transmeta's technology would be a steal for Intel. Intel should just pull a Microsoft and buy the competition instead of conpeting on technological grounds.
Why is a guy with a MIT college email address posting with such horrible grammar?
I was confused. I thought the GPL required derivitive works to be GPL'd as well. I went and checked. From http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html, section 2 part b:
You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License.So this is a non-issue. Your employer is required to GPL the changes, no? I mean, am I missing the issue here?
-Myopic
Works for me. The link was fine, and entering the site, it looked like everything was there.
Is there a problem?
Hey, if I were to, say, post a story about how great it is to be a geek, and someone decided to post it on Slashdot, then my site would be totally ruined by the zillions of hits I'd get. That's a DoS attack if I've ever heard of one.
myopic prowls
I'm running Mac OS 8.6 on a grap iMac. And N6 didn't work. I mean, it DIDN'T WORK at all. It would launch and all, but if I tried to view a webpage (such as slashdot, netscape.com, or my own web page) it wouldn't work. A tiny piece of the html would be downloaded and sometimes partially rendered but never a whole page. not even close.
Plus pressing command-Q to quit the program didn't work. Hmmm.
Plus you couldn't change any preferences because the "Okay" button didn't do anything when pressed.
Plus most of the chrome and controls left pixel crumbs all over the place.
So I'm sorry to be a dissenting opinion, but shouldn't the web browser do something like, oh I don't know, RENDER HTML PAGES? Shouldn't that be a minimum standard of a web browser?
-m
I think that's really interesting. I thought that MS would settle for sure because the judge will probably be pretty harsh.
Also, no way will Windows be open sourced, nor would that be so wonderful. Why would anyone want the Windows code? Is it really swell code? No. Programmers would benefit from the full API but the code wouldn't do too much. Think about it: no one is going to abandon Linux for {cough} Windows.
As far as a structural remedy, wouldn't separating Windows from Office just create TWO monopolies? Is that a great thing? I don't see an easy solution here.
-m
iCab (for Macs) has all sorts of great image and cookie filtration. First of all, the feature we all want here (accept cookies only for the html page you are currently viewing) is built in, along with some other great options.
My favorite of these is "Accept cookies, but don't return them".
HTML DTDs are different for frameset pages and non-frameset pages. I think the XML/XHTML standards are similar.
No one likes frames. I would just as much like image and cookie filtration built into my browser as frameset filtration.
Furthermore, that really is the worst website design I've ever seen, and I've seen some pretty bad website design (who hasn't). -myopic prowls