Drunk driving being outlawed, for example. But there comes a time when you just have to trust that people will do the right thing. I don't want to get to the point where we use this as a scientific basis to putting noise detectors in a car and refusing to start if you're talking. I'm already a litle hesitant when it comes to cell phone bans in cars, what will this lead to?
Perhaps what this really is is more evidence that we should automate as much about driving as is possible.
After that, try to calculate the minimum volume of water required to make a woman's shirt see-through, and then test it empirically.
After that, try to calculate the coefficient of friction on a strippers pole, and see how much grease will lower that amount. Also test this empirically. Do not forget to increase the coefficient of money to make up for this. You do not want an angry stripper.
There are going to be ladies there too, so you have to do something for them. Have a "guess the schlong length" contest - down to the nearest millimeter. Let them measure. Be sure to provide them with a very attractive male. These are math geeks, you'll probably have to hire one.
Now an interesting problem would be to guess the average number of hairs on a woman that are not on the head, then have a contest to find out who is closest, but you're reaching the realm now of "I don't care about the results, but the experiment itself is the end", at which case you've exhausted all scientific possibility, and may as well just have an orgy.
I agree with this. The lines are a little more blurry - they have my cell and home numbers. But if someone calls it and it's not an emergency they get yelled at. My boss even told me, if I'm not on call, I don't have to take any work calls after hours - *especially* because my phone is not company issued.
I'm never on call, at least for now.
In principle, though, I'm with you. If the site isn't down in such a way that I'm the only one that can fix it - they can leave me alone, and they know it.
For the truly paranoid corporation, there are ways around that too. No, they can't capture your gmail session, but they can come around and try to figure out why the hell your system just went down. OR they could just be using a hardware keylogger... and when it boots back into windows it dumps everything it gathered while in linux...
We're admittedly getting into the realms of what a truly determined company could do and most are not truly determined. But I know in at least one company I worked at if I'd booted into Linux I would probably have gotten fired.
You're right, it isn't personal email. It is, however, email that could get you retaliated against, and you're stupid if you send it over the network, even if snooping was illegal. Like unionbusters have ever let the law stop them before.
And in regards to that last sentence, I'm not going to dignify it with a response, considering it's nothing but an unwarranted insult.
Even though I know that, I use gmail anyway. The policy is very loose, and I think it's there to aid in diagnosing or tracking down when something goes seriously out of whack. I'm not worried about it. But I know they *can*.
Bah. You should not be sending personal emails through a business address for exactly this reason. It's not the fault of the business for snooping, but the fault of the employee for being stupid.
They likely were not as it's a lot of trouble, but don't assume that gmail is "safe".
I know where I work there is a packet capturing machine. I don't know what they're using it for, but I know it's there. And gmail is not safe from that.
Oh, but it you're using a CRT, make sure you're in a faraday cage too. And I'm not sure what they can do as far as listening on LCD displays, but I'm sure there's something.
In that situation, you should consider anything the company owns as being enemy territory - and consider it the same as talking to your union rep while the boss is in the room. Find some other way. There are plenty. Maybe take your laptop to a starbucks and send an email there.
Funny story - where I work there is a very liberal network use policy - you can use it how you like as long as your manager is happy with your work and you don't shut the network down.
Someone shut the network down, I think with a P2P site.
The network guys sit right next to me. They were having a great time tracking down the culprit. And even funnier is people were coming out of the woodwork saying "my bad!" when it wasn't even them!
But I was very much OK with that. That person was saturating the network connection and stopping real work from getting done.
Unless your workplace bans encryption that they do not have the keys to, which they have every right to do.
I think looking for privacy in the workplace is stupid. It's kind of like having sex in the middle of someone else's yard and getting mad at the owners for watching.
That's ridiculous. If your employer has any reason to snoop on you, they should just snoop on you. They may not have known about things when you were hired, and why should they be forced to ask you in person instead of finding the information on computers and network equipment that they own?
There is no entitlement when it comes to work equipment. If you don't like it, find a place that doesn't do it. And if every place does it, nothing stopping you from building your own corporation that doesn't. That's the beauty of free enterprise.
If the company owns the machines and the network, then the company is able and allowed to watch everything you do - particularly if you signed an employment agreement consenting to it.
This is not news. Frankly sometimes I think privacy advocates overreact - and I think this is one of those times.
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Drunk driving being outlawed, for example. But there comes a time when you just have to trust that people will do the right thing. I don't want to get to the point where we use this as a scientific basis to putting noise detectors in a car and refusing to start if you're talking. I'm already a litle hesitant when it comes to cell phone bans in cars, what will this lead to?
Perhaps what this really is is more evidence that we should automate as much about driving as is possible.
But have a pi-throwing contest.
After that, try to calculate the minimum volume of water required to make a woman's shirt see-through, and then test it empirically.
After that, try to calculate the coefficient of friction on a strippers pole, and see how much grease will lower that amount. Also test this empirically. Do not forget to increase the coefficient of money to make up for this. You do not want an angry stripper.
There are going to be ladies there too, so you have to do something for them. Have a "guess the schlong length" contest - down to the nearest millimeter. Let them measure. Be sure to provide them with a very attractive male. These are math geeks, you'll probably have to hire one.
Now an interesting problem would be to guess the average number of hairs on a woman that are not on the head, then have a contest to find out who is closest, but you're reaching the realm now of "I don't care about the results, but the experiment itself is the end", at which case you've exhausted all scientific possibility, and may as well just have an orgy.
Glad I can help.
nope. One million exabytes, for all practical purposes, is.
Any sufficiently large number is indistinguishable from unlimited.
I agree, but this is an edge case.
I agree with this. The lines are a little more blurry - they have my cell and home numbers. But if someone calls it and it's not an emergency they get yelled at. My boss even told me, if I'm not on call, I don't have to take any work calls after hours - *especially* because my phone is not company issued.
I'm never on call, at least for now.
In principle, though, I'm with you. If the site isn't down in such a way that I'm the only one that can fix it - they can leave me alone, and they know it.
For the truly paranoid corporation, there are ways around that too. No, they can't capture your gmail session, but they can come around and try to figure out why the hell your system just went down. OR they could just be using a hardware keylogger... and when it boots back into windows it dumps everything it gathered while in linux...
We're admittedly getting into the realms of what a truly determined company could do and most are not truly determined. But I know in at least one company I worked at if I'd booted into Linux I would probably have gotten fired.
You're right, it isn't personal email. It is, however, email that could get you retaliated against, and you're stupid if you send it over the network, even if snooping was illegal. Like unionbusters have ever let the law stop them before.
And in regards to that last sentence, I'm not going to dignify it with a response, considering it's nothing but an unwarranted insult.
No, which is why you shouldn't send sensitive personal emails over a corporate network.
Thanks for being condescending.
But there's no way to tell that until it's already read, and at that point the damage is done.
Even though I know that, I use gmail anyway. The policy is very loose, and I think it's there to aid in diagnosing or tracking down when something goes seriously out of whack. I'm not worried about it. But I know they *can*.
Ok. Doesn't stop keyloggers though.
Bah. You should not be sending personal emails through a business address for exactly this reason. It's not the fault of the business for snooping, but the fault of the employee for being stupid.
Then use the phone or meet with him/her in person. There's no way to tell when an email is "privileged" or not.
They could have been monitoring the network too.
They likely were not as it's a lot of trouble, but don't assume that gmail is "safe".
I know where I work there is a packet capturing machine. I don't know what they're using it for, but I know it's there. And gmail is not safe from that.
Huh? What does what you have to go through to get a security clearance have to do with employers snooping through work emails?
Oh, but it you're using a CRT, make sure you're in a faraday cage too. And I'm not sure what they can do as far as listening on LCD displays, but I'm sure there's something.
Be that as it may, this has nothing to do with that.
And you might not. In all cases, just because they can doesn't mean they do.
Then don't do it on company resources.
In that situation, you should consider anything the company owns as being enemy territory - and consider it the same as talking to your union rep while the boss is in the room. Find some other way. There are plenty. Maybe take your laptop to a starbucks and send an email there.
Funny story - where I work there is a very liberal network use policy - you can use it how you like as long as your manager is happy with your work and you don't shut the network down.
Someone shut the network down, I think with a P2P site.
The network guys sit right next to me. They were having a great time tracking down the culprit. And even funnier is people were coming out of the woodwork saying "my bad!" when it wasn't even them!
But I was very much OK with that. That person was saturating the network connection and stopping real work from getting done.
To me, this is just another manifestation of peoples' sense of entitlement.
Unless your workplace bans encryption that they do not have the keys to, which they have every right to do.
I think looking for privacy in the workplace is stupid. It's kind of like having sex in the middle of someone else's yard and getting mad at the owners for watching.
That's ridiculous. If your employer has any reason to snoop on you, they should just snoop on you. They may not have known about things when you were hired, and why should they be forced to ask you in person instead of finding the information on computers and network equipment that they own?
There is no entitlement when it comes to work equipment. If you don't like it, find a place that doesn't do it. And if every place does it, nothing stopping you from building your own corporation that doesn't. That's the beauty of free enterprise.
If the company owns the machines and the network, then the company is able and allowed to watch everything you do - particularly if you signed an employment agreement consenting to it.
This is not news. Frankly sometimes I think privacy advocates overreact - and I think this is one of those times.