True. But I'd also like to point out, that just buying a comertial software usually don't give you a lot of support. You also have to sign a support contract in most cases. These all have their price and are avalible for oss aswell as closed source software. Ignoring half of the calculation is not verry bright. Also it really depends on how much the software meets your needs. If you have a specialized problem space, for which there is no software availible (or none that does all), then you probaby are better off doing your own development and support. Depends on your size and resources. Open source projects can help to share these resources for the profit of all parties, but in the end, you are on your own unless you are explicitly paying for a support contract.
Well, yes. There are no legal or moral obligations. It's just there. Open source projects are often supported by interested parties, and it is just economically more senceful to work together in the scene, then doing your own stuff (i. e. maintaining your own driver tree and keep it sync with the kernel, or similar).
There is no legal obligation. Open source people just feel it is worth, and if this feeling persists, it will bloom.
To the MS stuff you mentioned. Well, getting good support from MS isn't that easy either. But you got a solid application with low amount of hassle. If you don't have elaborate requiremets, it will do. On the other hand, if you have and don't want to end in a dead end, you (or the interested parties) may as well engage in open source. It then benefits the community.
Also, this whishfull thinking about obligation is kind of illusionary. In the end, noone will give you a die hard garantee for anything, no matter if it is comercial or open source (see for example the discontinued music platform from MS.). That's life.
Yea, living in China is no peace of cake. Inida is the same. And in my opinion (you know how this is), the states are not that much better (ok, I'm not from the states, I just read Slashdot). Anyway, at least what I know from China, they at least admit BS-ing their folks. Of course, this may not be in the interest of an illusion inclined society. My apologies.
The second part was ment as irony, sarcasm or provocation. To think about it, and maybe give me good reason far failure. "You are dumb, igrorant, whatewer" is not the form of reason I was expecting. I apologize for that. Maymbe I should use some more politically correct formulation to avoid this kind of missunderstanding.
You are right in the point, that I was not talking about the low level system of the sheduler and memory managemant. Did not want to. Not the thing I could do sophisticated statements (at least not for Windows). I just got the impresson, that you (and your parent) were talking about the general factors determining the efficiency of the execution of a process. I just wanted to point out (or ask), that the efficiency of the general execution 'may' be improved with less subsystem noise (like background indexing and DRM stuff). PS. and I'm not realy doing comparsions to other Windows based systems. Somehow can't get myself anymore to use them.
W7 is the Vista that Vista could have been. But that may be damning with faint praise.
So do they manage to implement all the features they were promising for Vista. You know, like the file system overlay (winfs), symlinks and hardlinks (actually not that new thing), stable system, secure system, inutitive interface, a sane stock shell, etc.?
I can just agree. It is interesting, now that we are driven more by economic interests than politic agenda the space exploration is expanding all around the world. India, China and some other folks surely. I mean, India has kind an astonishing commertial satelite launch program and they are expanding. That's globalization, but I still wonder how the american ego can live with this? When is the moon going to be bombed next? (after colonzation)
Same thougth I had, especially after reading the part of the article stating that it would run a Windows installer. They don't work on my machine.. Does that mean, that I'm nobody?
Apparently, Coreflood would enter a network via a drive-by browser exploit, download a copy of the installer, then run PcExec, a legitimate Windows administration tool available from Microsoft.
"It could happen to anybody," Stewart said, "any user who happened to go to the wrong site." If the user also happened to be on the corporate network when that happens, the bot is then able to take advantage of that structure and is able to be a threat to everyone on that network.
I don't realy get, how you relate to my previous post. I'm on Linux too and have no problems with this issue (except the spam sent to me).
I was actually talking about the smuck next door, that does have no clue about it and also don't want to have it, neighter seeks help from someone how does.
How about just raising the penalty for guilty spammers. You know, forcing them to read spam for 8 hours / 7 days a week for several years. Maybe that would help?
Informing users? How? Most of them don't get how to use a door bell, not to mention complex computer concepts.
How about some countermesures? I mean, if they can infiltrate the botnet, then is it not possible to track it's traffic? I mean, if the ISP's would do that, then they could block it (the control packages) and the spam clients may loose the spam to send out and idle around?
Well, they probaby also must replicate and send a "Shut up" command to the clients.
Messing with the users is mostly bad (no option), because they are a) mostly technically illiterate (dumb) + don't care and b) there is a whole lot of liability issues (see Sony rootkit).
That is a bit harsh, but the basic idea is not that wrong. Users don't care about security because it is a bigger inconviniance than the not doing it. The botnets are quiet and Joe Sixpack can't relate insecure OS / config with spam (don't cares).
Maybe someone should introduce some inconviniance for spam infected bandwitch usage (i.e. charge money for the potnet traffic)? If people have to pay for compromized systems, then maybe they will get up their ass*s. Just a thought.
And yes, I know, the idea must be elaborated and gives a whole set of new issues.. Just ment as starting point for a discussion.
Well, the desktop market is subsidiarized and locked in like guantanamo. Joe Sixpack should just percive there is nothing else out there.
Different situation in a distributed server environment where a lot of systems are managed together by people actually having a clue about computers and do a little math. If you calculate the license costs and administration in this kind of environment you get some actually realistic price tags. And yes, a UNIX/Linux system is cheaper in this case, even if the license is neglected (which it is not) because it is more efficient to manage.
That's an interesting calculation, but it ignores the fact, that money can't buy everything.
Sure, you can hire a lot of devs and start writing the system, but the can't get it right the first time.
FC evolved over a long period of time and a lot of testing and learning from past errors where involved until they get where they are.
Some parts are also implemented by specially talented uniqe people hwo just aren't there anymore, and you can't hire them too.
Also FC (or any other peace of software around) is not just the code, but also the history. You can't buy history.
Likewise you can't buy the userbase and the developerbase that use / contribute the system. You have to invest a lot of effort and money to do this.
Now if you say, that you want to create an OS with similar functionality and stability then FC and start to calculate, go on, but the figures will be quite different.
Fun part is, I have a Nokia N800 (about the same size) and there is a full fleged Star Trek (LCARS - Linux can also run starships) theme on it (including icon animation and sound). I'm not a trekie, but this is fun. That thing is actually 2 years old, about same size and can do more (even runs Linux out of the box). And the successor also has a keborad. So where is this exactly news? That there is a new device with lower spec for less money?
Well, if you are good at something else, than make money with it and pay a coder to do it. It's called cooperation. You know, these guys also like to eat once in a while.
We are still talking about windows, right?
So what do you want with the original ideas thingy? I mean, the day Microsoft starts to actually implement new ideas I will probably start looking for flying pigs - and actually find some..
Was just trying to watch the video (on my desktop, Linux). It hangs terribly and there is zero sound. I don't really see the reason for this video to eat up so much resources at that qality. Is the technology it is presenting of similar superiority? Is it designed for low spec portable devices?
So can anybody explain me why they are storing this kind of data on a "portable hard disk drive"? (I mean, it sounds like a laptop 2.5" drive). Is this kind of a default high security policy. I mean, I always thought, that this kind of data should be on some central secure servers and accessed through some secure forms. Am I missing something here?
Interesting, the MoD site was created with "Microsoft Visual Studio 7.0". Well, that sure is totally unrelated anyway.
Thats the second time I hear about big pandemic plans for this fall. The first one was the plan on creating one. Some people think, that this will be another cover up story, like 9/11 for explaining why the world economy collapses. Hmm.. Hope I'm just paranoid here.
George Carlin outlined quite good, that the intent of the planet earth to create mankind was to have plastic in the first place. Actually it does not need us any more, earth + plastic is there. We can go as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X0F1Qjn0Ac
In a way I give you right: Ubuntu never really had the attitude to be fully FOSS. They use closed source drivers and other stuff (like flash) to make the every day usage smooth withouth much hassle. I don't see the problem as long as I have the possibility to choose my OS. I'm personally using Debian, but I see that it is not suitable for most computer illiterate people. They just want it to run and some familiar (cross platfrom) software may also help them to get a better experience / transition, whatever.
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True. But I'd also like to point out, that just buying a comertial software usually don't give you a lot of support. You also have to sign a support contract in most cases. These all have their price and are avalible for oss aswell as closed source software. Ignoring half of the calculation is not verry bright. Also it really depends on how much the software meets your needs. If you have a specialized problem space, for which there is no software availible (or none that does all), then you probaby are better off doing your own development and support. Depends on your size and resources. Open source projects can help to share these resources for the profit of all parties, but in the end, you are on your own unless you are explicitly paying for a support contract.
Well, yes. There are no legal or moral obligations. It's just there. Open source projects are often supported by interested parties, and it is just economically more senceful to work together in the scene, then doing your own stuff (i. e. maintaining your own driver tree and keep it sync with the kernel, or similar).
There is no legal obligation. Open source people just feel it is worth, and if this feeling persists, it will bloom.
To the MS stuff you mentioned. Well, getting good support from MS isn't that easy either. But you got a solid application with low amount of hassle. If you don't have elaborate requiremets, it will do. On the other hand, if you have and don't want to end in a dead end, you (or the interested parties) may as well engage in open source. It then benefits the community.
Also, this whishfull thinking about obligation is kind of illusionary. In the end, noone will give you a die hard garantee for anything, no matter if it is comercial or open source (see for example the discontinued music platform from MS.). That's life.
Depends. Can somebody trace and/or sue me?
Yea, living in China is no peace of cake. Inida is the same. And in my opinion (you know how this is), the states are not that much better (ok, I'm not from the states, I just read Slashdot). Anyway, at least what I know from China, they at least admit BS-ing their folks. Of course, this may not be in the interest of an illusion inclined society. My apologies.
The second part was ment as irony, sarcasm or provocation. To think about it, and maybe give me good reason far failure. "You are dumb, igrorant, whatewer" is not the form of reason I was expecting. I apologize for that. Maymbe I should use some more politically correct formulation to avoid this kind of missunderstanding.
You are right in the point, that I was not talking about the low level system of the sheduler and memory managemant. Did not want to. Not the thing I could do sophisticated statements (at least not for Windows). I just got the impresson, that you (and your parent) were talking about the general factors determining the efficiency of the execution of a process. I just wanted to point out (or ask), that the efficiency of the general execution 'may' be improved with less subsystem noise (like background indexing and DRM stuff). PS. and I'm not realy doing comparsions to other Windows based systems. Somehow can't get myself anymore to use them.
W7 is the Vista that Vista could have been. But that may be damning with faint praise.
So do they manage to implement all the features they were promising for Vista. You know, like the file system overlay (winfs), symlinks and hardlinks (actually not that new thing), stable system, secure system, inutitive interface, a sane stock shell, etc.?
You mean like cutting some of the DRM subsystem overhead, that checks the legality of every click you make and just execute the application normally?
I can just agree. It is interesting, now that we are driven more by economic interests than politic agenda the space exploration is expanding all around the world. India, China and some other folks surely. I mean, India has kind an astonishing commertial satelite launch program and they are expanding. That's globalization, but I still wonder how the american ego can live with this? When is the moon going to be bombed next? (after colonzation)
Same thougth I had, especially after reading the part of the article stating that it would run a Windows installer. They don't work on my machine.. Does that mean, that I'm nobody?
Apparently, Coreflood would enter a network via a drive-by browser exploit, download a copy of the installer, then run PcExec, a legitimate Windows administration tool available from Microsoft.
"It could happen to anybody," Stewart said, "any user who happened to go to the wrong site." If the user also happened to be on the corporate network when that happens, the bot is then able to take advantage of that structure and is able to be a threat to everyone on that network.
I don't realy get, how you relate to my previous post. I'm on Linux too and have no problems with this issue (except the spam sent to me).
I was actually talking about the smuck next door, that does have no clue about it and also don't want to have it, neighter seeks help from someone how does.
How about just raising the penalty for guilty spammers. You know, forcing them to read spam for 8 hours / 7 days a week for several years. Maybe that would help?
Informing users? How? Most of them don't get how to use a door bell, not to mention complex computer concepts.
How about some countermesures? I mean, if they can infiltrate the botnet, then is it not possible to track it's traffic? I mean, if the ISP's would do that, then they could block it (the control packages) and the spam clients may loose the spam to send out and idle around?
Well, they probaby also must replicate and send a "Shut up" command to the clients.
Messing with the users is mostly bad (no option), because they are a) mostly technically illiterate (dumb) + don't care and b) there is a whole lot of liability issues (see Sony rootkit).
That is a bit harsh, but the basic idea is not that wrong. Users don't care about security because it is a bigger inconviniance than the not doing it. The botnets are quiet and Joe Sixpack can't relate insecure OS / config with spam (don't cares).
Maybe someone should introduce some inconviniance for spam infected bandwitch usage (i.e. charge money for the potnet traffic)? If people have to pay for compromized systems, then maybe they will get up their ass*s. Just a thought.
And yes, I know, the idea must be elaborated and gives a whole set of new issues.. Just ment as starting point for a discussion.
Well, the desktop market is subsidiarized and locked in like guantanamo. Joe Sixpack should just percive there is nothing else out there.
Different situation in a distributed server environment where a lot of systems are managed together by people actually having a clue about computers and do a little math. If you calculate the license costs and administration in this kind of environment you get some actually realistic price tags. And yes, a UNIX/Linux system is cheaper in this case, even if the license is neglected (which it is not) because it is more efficient to manage.
That's an interesting calculation, but it ignores the fact, that money can't buy everything.
Sure, you can hire a lot of devs and start writing the system, but the can't get it right the first time.
FC evolved over a long period of time and a lot of testing and learning from past errors where involved until they get where they are.
Some parts are also implemented by specially talented uniqe people hwo just aren't there anymore, and you can't hire them too.
Also FC (or any other peace of software around) is not just the code, but also the history. You can't buy history.
Likewise you can't buy the userbase and the developerbase that use / contribute the system. You have to invest a lot of effort and money to do this.
Now if you say, that you want to create an OS with similar functionality and stability then FC and start to calculate, go on, but the figures will be quite different.
Fun part is, I have a Nokia N800 (about the same size) and there is a full fleged Star Trek (LCARS - Linux can also run starships) theme on it (including icon animation and sound). I'm not a trekie, but this is fun. That thing is actually 2 years old, about same size and can do more (even runs Linux out of the box). And the successor also has a keborad. So where is this exactly news? That there is a new device with lower spec for less money?
Well, if you are good at something else, than make money with it and pay a coder to do it. It's called cooperation. You know, these guys also like to eat once in a while.
We are still talking about windows, right?
So what do you want with the original ideas thingy? I mean, the day Microsoft starts to actually implement new ideas I will probably start looking for flying pigs - and actually find some..
So a few articles ago there was the news of Cyberdyne corporating developing HAL. And now news about Dyson. Coincidence?
Was just trying to watch the video (on my desktop, Linux). It hangs terribly and there is zero sound. I don't really see the reason for this video to eat up so much resources at that qality. Is the technology it is presenting of similar superiority? Is it designed for low spec portable devices?
So can anybody explain me why they are storing this kind of data on a "portable hard disk drive"? (I mean, it sounds like a laptop 2.5" drive). Is this kind of a default high security policy. I mean, I always thought, that this kind of data should be on some central secure servers and accessed through some secure forms. Am I missing something here?
Interesting, the MoD site was created with "Microsoft Visual Studio 7.0". Well, that sure is totally unrelated anyway.
Thats the second time I hear about big pandemic plans for this fall. The first one was the plan on creating one. Some people think, that this will be another cover up story, like 9/11 for explaining why the world economy collapses. Hmm.. Hope I'm just paranoid here.
To error is human, not? So here is the link I ment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dWrSuhLpVM
George Carlin outlined quite good, that the intent of the planet earth to create mankind was to have plastic in the first place. Actually it does not need us any more, earth + plastic is there. We can go as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X0F1Qjn0Ac
In a way I give you right: Ubuntu never really had the attitude to be fully FOSS. They use closed source drivers and other stuff (like flash) to make the every day usage smooth withouth much hassle. I don't see the problem as long as I have the possibility to choose my OS. I'm personally using Debian, but I see that it is not suitable for most computer illiterate people. They just want it to run and some familiar (cross platfrom) software may also help them to get a better experience / transition, whatever.