Firefox is more customisable, many people don't care about loading time (good old os lever preloading should reduce it significantly) and firefox's GUI is responsive enough... for them, if they dont like opera as it comes, firefox is the better choice
Care about the license Don't Like default opera Need security (but also need usability ala noscript)
Firefox > opera (any of the above) Firefox = opera (none of the above) Firefox opera (none of the above And care about load time & responsiveness)
Search WTF are you talking about, when i fire up phoenix and type URLs in the URL bar I expect to get to the URL I typed to anything else is just bloat.
Why dont YOU make it an option. for 90% of people the awsome bar will increase productivity, and the other 10% are on sites like slashdot and will bitch about anything anyway so nobody cares what they say anymore
with new bar all you have to do is remember select the most apropriet site a few times and then forever more its stored as automatic, its much more flexible than oldbar and thus servers alot more peole
Oh right you lost one argument because you prefer to use meaninless units when the world of science has moved on, and now your going to troll all of this guys post.
Theres this code out somewhere that shows exactly how oldbar used to behave and this new code that could be modified to behave exactly like it used to either by 1) copy and paste of old code and bug fixing 2) rebuilding old code into new code and less bug fixing 3) building an extension to do this
so why don't you all STFU and do it? hell you might not even have to go to firefox2 some of the early 3 alphas probably still had the old code in there.
I ran into that bug since using the ubuntu build but with a profile ive been using since 3b2, a new profile without any incompatible extentions sorted that out.
firefox3 = 3/4 bars (menu, status, nav, bookmarks (most people either use or disable this)) firefox3 ( + extentions) = 1 (tiny menu, fusion) opera9.5 = 3 bars (menu, status, nav) opera9.5 (+ w/e you can do in userchrome) = 1 bar
my point is both browser take up exatly the same amount of screenspace, which can be just 1 bar (hell with other extentions or better userchrome hacking it could be 0) if you could be botherd to change a few settings instead of crying on slashdot
Really? i use extentions to achive a clean/simpler UI (for me) than i would want to give to your average user: compact/mini menu fusion (windows users would be lost without the tab bar as would many who use lots of extensions) menu editor (some people like having cut/copy/paste & others in their menus & a help menu) Tab clicking options ( try and get everybody to agree what alt/ctrl/shift + click should do) custom toolbar buttons (packing an extra 30-40 buttons is just going to confuse most people) Scroll search engines (was actually a feature in one of the betas but confused too many people) Dom inspector ( most people don't need this one)
extensions allow me to use the browser how I want without a) coding the thing myself b) coding a whole load of userchrome/usercss edits myself
A positron is a real particle with real mass. It is made up of quarks and has the same characteristics as an electron, except that it's charge is reversed.
A "hole", on the other hand, is essentially the absence of an electron where one should be. It's like those sliding puzzles with the 15 tiles that you have to arrange in numerical order. There should be 16 tiles, but one is "missing" creating a hole. This hole moves around by sliding tiles into it.
But explain how an experiment could distinguish between a lack of a negative-enegery electron (in a quantum see of them, not just a semiconductor) and a positron
Hell even without p2p multicasting it would help, the direct competitor to illegal P2P is illegal flash streams, multicasting giving them a boost would seriously reduce P2P.
Repeat after me, "a company cannot exploit its monopoly to become a monopoly" Nope before and after their monopoly they used exactly the same trick...Being really good lairs.
"sure well develop an OS with you"/"sure well write the low level rendering code" "were just running a bit late" "very late, but trust us we didn't just get you to waste 2/3 years of development time"
"sure were working on compatibility with you" "were just ironing out the bugs"
"that jvm code is totally ours" "no really we wrote the whole lot" "your not allowed to look at our source that's illegal"
"linux is t3h 3v1L"
Sure they used thier monopoly but they created it and maintained it by being really good lairs
Firewalls arent always used just for inbound attacks, "all your software is from a trusted source thats pointing out" and i prefer to prevent the malicious code running entirely using something like SElinux or apparmor
or maybe you only want certain computers in a network to communicate, or maybe you are just a little overly paranoid... "unless your doing something stupid on a desktop" pretty much covers that.
what about using it as an adblocker Well that's fine, but I dont really care about adds and you dont really need to block ads
As for the flash stuff, I prefer to keep flash off and enable it on a per site basis anyway, id just rather do this by GUI at browser level than have to edit my IPtables and restart my firewall everytime i want to view a new site.
Im not saying that a firewall is completely useless on Linux but for most people theres no real need for them.
Their program actually has to run on a lightweight machine, have you seen azures recently? Im not saying all java programs suck, but i do tend to avoid them as: 1) they never integrate into you interface (i run KDE and even GTK fit in better than SWT) 2) they tend to eat all your ram 3) generally arnt that responsive (for me) Ill be honest, ive not tried mono apps, but competition is good.
Sure its not prefect but something is better than nothing, release early and often and all that. Id rather have some functionality open (moonlight, mono), than all the functionality closed (adobe buggy as hell flash), but maybe that's just me and my crazy radeon driver ways.
No offence to game programmers, but in most games there barely needed, most games just churn out a new set of graphics on an existing engine with a few tweaks. Sure somebody has to develop the next quake, source(engine), RAGE, etc but they're still about just too expensive to employ to make your average game.
This is probably an unpopular thing to say on slashdot, but its the artists that make/break the games not the geeks. I dont just mean fancy graphics though, it's storyline (or at least level designers) and feel of games that matter alot more than having the best renderer or physics.
I thought, unless your doing something stupid on a desktop or running a server chances are a linux box doesnt need a firewall (all your software is from a trusted source thats pointing out, and theres very little pointing outwards anyway)?
damn straight, All thier ISPs bitching that IPTV is taking up too much bandwidth and it could all be solved if they just had multicast working.
This was live so would definatly have worked, and it doesnt take a genious to implement a buffering system which lets non-live programs benifit from a 99% reduction in bandwidth needs.
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Firefox is more customisable, many people don't care about loading time (good old os lever preloading should reduce it significantly) and firefox's GUI is responsive enough... for them, if they dont like opera as it comes, firefox is the better choice
Care about the license
Don't Like default opera
Need security (but also need usability ala noscript)
Firefox > opera (any of the above)
Firefox = opera (none of the above)
Firefox opera (none of the above And care about load time & responsiveness)
But we are agreed that this is the way to go for awesome/opera bar?
Search WTF are you talking about, when i fire up phoenix and type URLs in the URL bar I expect to get to the URL I typed to anything else is just bloat.
Why dont YOU make it an option. for 90% of people the awsome bar will increase productivity, and the other 10% are on sites like slashdot and will bitch about anything anyway so nobody cares what they say anymore
How is this flamebait? for any user that deletes history every shutdown oldbar was useless.
with new bar all you have to do is remember select the most apropriet site a few times and then forever more its stored as automatic, its much more flexible than oldbar and thus servers alot more peole
No its not some, if not most people i know like the address bar, so it is a feature (to some)
Oh right you lost one argument because you prefer to use meaninless units when the world of science has moved on, and now your going to troll all of this guys post.
Good luck with life, you'll need it.
Theres this code out somewhere that shows exactly how oldbar used to behave and this new code that could be modified to behave exactly like it used to either by
1) copy and paste of old code and bug fixing
2) rebuilding old code into new code and less bug fixing
3) building an extension to do this
so why don't you all STFU and do it?
hell you might not even have to go to firefox2 some of the early 3 alphas probably still had the old code in there.
I ran into that bug since using the ubuntu build but with a profile ive been using since 3b2, a new profile without any incompatible extentions sorted that out.
firefox3 = 3/4 bars (menu, status, nav, bookmarks (most people either use or disable this))
firefox3 ( + extentions) = 1 (tiny menu, fusion)
opera9.5 = 3 bars (menu, status, nav)
opera9.5 (+ w/e you can do in userchrome) = 1 bar
my point is both browser take up exatly the same amount of screenspace, which can be just 1 bar (hell with other extentions or better userchrome hacking it could be 0) if you could be botherd to change a few settings instead of crying on slashdot
Really? i use extentions to achive a clean/simpler UI (for me) than i would want to give to your average user:
compact/mini menu
fusion (windows users would be lost without the tab bar as would many who use lots of extensions)
menu editor (some people like having cut/copy/paste & others in their menus & a help menu)
Tab clicking options ( try and get everybody to agree what alt/ctrl/shift + click should do)
custom toolbar buttons (packing an extra 30-40 buttons is just going to confuse most people)
Scroll search engines (was actually a feature in one of the betas but confused too many people)
Dom inspector ( most people don't need this one)
extensions allow me to use the browser how I want without
a) coding the thing myself
b) coding a whole load of userchrome/usercss edits myself
shhh will, please get back to sorting out your crappy code at Microsoft.
A positron is a real particle with real mass. It is made up of quarks and has the same characteristics as an electron, except that it's charge is reversed.
A "hole", on the other hand, is essentially the absence of an electron where one should be. It's like those sliding puzzles with the 15 tiles that you have to arrange in numerical order. There should be 16 tiles, but one is "missing" creating a hole. This hole moves around by sliding tiles into it.
But explain how an experiment could distinguish between a lack of a negative-enegery electron (in a quantum see of them, not just a semiconductor) and a positronHell even without p2p multicasting it would help, the direct competitor to illegal P2P is illegal flash streams, multicasting giving them a boost would seriously reduce P2P.
"sure well develop an OS with you" /"sure well write the low level rendering code"
"were just running a bit late"
"very late, but trust us we didn't just get you to waste 2/3 years of development time"
"sure were working on compatibility with you"
"were just ironing out the bugs"
"that jvm code is totally ours"
"no really we wrote the whole lot"
"your not allowed to look at our source that's illegal"
"linux is t3h 3v1L"
Sure they used thier monopoly but they created it and maintained it by being really good lairs
As for the flash stuff, I prefer to keep flash off and enable it on a per site basis anyway, id just rather do this by GUI at browser level than have to edit my IPtables and restart my firewall everytime i want to view a new site.
Im not saying that a firewall is completely useless on Linux but for most people theres no real need for them.
Their program actually has to run on a lightweight machine, have you seen azures recently? Im not saying all java programs suck, but i do tend to avoid them as:
1) they never integrate into you interface (i run KDE and even GTK fit in better than SWT)
2) they tend to eat all your ram
3) generally arnt that responsive (for me)
Ill be honest, ive not tried mono apps, but competition is good.
Sure its not prefect but something is better than nothing, release early and often and all that. Id rather have some functionality open (moonlight, mono), than all the functionality closed (adobe buggy as hell flash), but maybe that's just me and my crazy radeon driver ways.
No offence to game programmers, but in most games there barely needed, most games just churn out a new set of graphics on an existing engine with a few tweaks. Sure somebody has to develop the next quake, source(engine), RAGE, etc but they're still about just too expensive to employ to make your average game.
This is probably an unpopular thing to say on slashdot, but its the artists that make/break the games not the geeks. I dont just mean fancy graphics though, it's storyline (or at least level designers) and feel of games that matter alot more than having the best renderer or physics.
Never trust any computing news served on an asp page.
In fact never trust anything on an asp.
yeah! damm them for producing an opensource product to give users the same functionality as windows users!!!
your doing it wrong.
*encrypt your conections,
*keep your number of connections limited
*dont upload more than (find the ISPs throttle spot here)kb/s
and you should be fine
I thought, unless your doing something stupid on a desktop or running a server chances are a linux box doesnt need a firewall (all your software is from a trusted source thats pointing out, and theres very little pointing outwards anyway)?
damn straight, All thier ISPs bitching that IPTV is taking up too much bandwidth and it could all be solved if they just had multicast working.
This was live so would definatly have worked, and it doesnt take a genious to implement a buffering system which lets non-live programs benifit from a 99% reduction in bandwidth needs.
Typical canadians, with thier pesky protecting employees. Do you know nothing about capitalism? it only works if you give the employer COMPLETE power.
Yawn, if its so easy to fix, go do it.